I think this is new. It's better than any previous ones:

http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk/Main.php?iCmsPageId=497

Opens November 29th.

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On Nov 3, 6:40 pm, Mr Thant 
wrote:
> I think this is new. It's better than any previous ones:
>
> http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk/Main.php?iCmsPageId=497
>
> Opens November 29th.

So, if I read that right, the new ticket hall will have a subsurface
connection to the existing ticket halls, so you don't need to go down
escalators and then up again to get to the Met platforms from there.
That's a detail I hadn't spotted before.  Time estimates are also
interesting.  Doesn't help me much, since the interchange I make most
frequently there is from the MML platforms to the Victoria, but hey.

--
Abi

On Nov 3, 11:50 pm, Abigail Brady  wrote:
> On Nov 3, 6:40 pm, Mr Thant 
> wrote:
>
> > I think this is new. It's better than any previous ones:
>
> >http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk/Main.php?iCmsPageId=497
>
> > Opens November 29th.
>
> So, if I read that right, the new ticket hall will have a subsurface
> connection to the existing ticket halls, so you don't need to go down
> escalators and then up again to get to the Met platforms from there.
> That's a detail I hadn't spotted before.  Time estimates are also
> interesting.  Doesn't help me much, since the interchange I make most
> frequently there is from the MML platforms to the Victoria, but hey.

That should still save you a minute or two - your route's now going to
be more or less the hypotenuse of a triangle (MML -> Northern hall ->
Vic) rather than two sides (MML - Western hall -> Tube hall -> Vic)

-
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

In message 
, at 
10:40:59 on Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Mr Thant 
 remarked:
>I think this is new. It's better than any previous ones:
>
>http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk/Main.php?iCmsPageId=497

The 2.5D diagram is curiously similar to mine (that I did a year ago).

http://www.perry.co.uk/images/kx-composite.jpg

-- 
Roland Perry

In message 
, at 
15:50:52 on Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Abigail Brady  
remarked:
>> http://www.firstcapitalconnect.co.uk/Main.php?iCmsPageId=497
>>
>> Opens November 29th.
>
>So, if I read that right, the new ticket hall will have a subsurface
>connection to the existing ticket halls, so you don't need to go down
>escalators and then up again to get to the Met platforms from there.
>That's a detail I hadn't spotted before.

The only way to get to the Met platforms is either via the Khyber Pass 
and down the original stairs, or use the new entrance at StPancras. The 
Northern Ticket Hall doesn't change any of this.

But as you say, there's an underground passage (presumably level) 
between the Northern and "existing" ticket halls.
-- 
Roland Perry

In message 
, at 
01:03:01 on Wed, 4 Nov 2009, John B  remarked:
>>Time estimates are also
>> interesting.  Doesn't help me much, since the interchange I make most
>> frequently there is from the MML platforms to the Victoria, but hey.
>
>That should still save you a minute or two - your route's now going to
>be more or less the hypotenuse of a triangle (MML -> Northern hall ->
>Vic) rather than two sides (MML - Western hall -> Tube hall -> Vic)

Even the official version is that it only saves one minute from the 
Thameslink platforms :(

Partly because the platform access for the new route is much further 
east than via the existing route.

And don't forget that if you are coming from the MML platforms (rather 
than Thameslink) the escalator drops you off quite some way too far 
south[1], and you have to make a u-turn and walk back north, to get to 
the cross-passage with the farmers market. That will eat away into the 
one minute advantage.

So-called improvement to that particular interchange was always one of 
the most over-sold aspects of the re-design.

What might actually be quicker for that journey, is to exit St Pancras 
via the Eurostar entrance, then head for the tube entrance that'll be on 
the SW corner of Kings Cross station (not sure when that opens, as I 
assume it will be after they've demolished the "temporary" extension at 
the front) and down to the existing ticket hall. Of course, they can't 
recommend that, as there isn't a "proper" pedestrian crossing outside 
the Eurostar entrance, and you have to play chicken with the taxi rank.

[1] About where the "St" in "St Pancras" is on their diagram.
-- 
Roland Perry