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date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:41:49 +0000,    group: uk.radio.amateur        back       
EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
aaa

For many years Animal Rights advocates have tried to expose the truth
that CONservation hooligans were coining it in at the taxpayers
expense in grants and public donations supposedly to protect wildlife,
but were in fact killing animals and often partnered by pro hunt
groups. Well now the truth is out.

http://tinyurl.com/29azyr

RSPB hands out licence that lets nature reserve visitors kill up to 10
birds a day for sport
Last updated at 11:36am on 11th January 2008
 
A bird charity has raised eyebrows by letting ducks and geese be shot
on a nature reserve. 

The RSPB hands out shooting licences on its land at Langstone Harbour,
near Portsmouth, Hants, where wildfowlers can kill up to 10 birds a
day - for sport. 

The shooting has been allowed for years, but was only revealed when a
pellet-riddled duck carcass was found by a walker. 

The charity today defended its decision, saying shoots are very
carefully monitored and the alternative would be to have illegal
poachers causing havoc. 

But wildlife lovers say it is against what the RSPB stands for -
protecting birds. 

Barry Hugill, from the League Against Cruel Sports, said: "I find it
exceedingly distasteful. It's a wildlife sanctuary. 

"How on earth can it be a sanctuary if someone is going to come and
kill the birds that are resident there simply because they enjoy
killing things? 

"I think it's scandalous and I do hope the RSPB will reconsider their
decision." 

Keen twitcher and conservationist Robert Hill, who discovered a dead
widgeon duck covered in pellet wounds, is horrified. 

There are signs up in Langstone Harbour saying wildfowling takes
place, but he said it has never been publicly announced. 

There is no mention of the shooting licences on the RSPB's website. 

Mr Hill, 43, of Waterlooville, Hants, said: "I don't think it's
acceptable. It's a blood sport. 

"I can't see any justification for it. It's a macho, egotistical, self
gratifying act and I think it's disgusting. 

"No-one owns wildlife. These poor animals come in for sanctuary and
end up getting blown out of the air." 

Local wildfowling group, the Langstone & District Wildfowlers &
Conservation Association, has had shooting rights on the land since
1979 and wildfowling has taken place in the harbour since the 1600s. 

They are allowed to shoot between September and January on two of five
islands in Langstone Harbour, which can be accessed by walking across
the mudflats, and on saltmarshes at the northeast of Farlington
Marshes. 

At the end of each month they have to report every bird shot to the
RSPB so bird levels can be monitored. 

They must not shoot more than 10 birds each in one day, but in reality
the club's members say they have only killed a handful of birds
between them since September. 

Chris Cockburn, RSPB warden for Langstone harbour, said: "If
wildfowling was banned the only way we could make it work would be by
policing it. 

"The reality is that would be very difficult whereas by licensing it
we are effectively controlling the amount of shooting that can occur. 

"At the moment the controls in place are pretty stringent. The
alternative to the situation we have is grim. 

"Poaching would be disastrous for the harbour. It would be disastrous
for the bird populations." 

He said one of the rules is that wildfowlers must always have a dog
with them, which would usually collect up any dead birds. 

He added: "The RSPB does not have any axe to grind against any sport
unless it affects the conservation issues and then we would be very
much against it." 

Nick Horten, from the wildfowlers association, said the group carries
out huge amounts of conservation work in the area and is extremely
careful about the types of birds they shoot. 

All members are vetted by the police and must train for a year before
they are allowed to shoot alone. 

He said: "We have been a tenant of the RSPB which is the foremost bird
conservation group for 30 years and if they had the slightest concern
about the way we conduct ourselves they would have thrown us off years
ago." 

Wildfowlers also defended their sport saying it is more humane to eat
a shot duck than a battery farmed chicken. 

Nick Horten shoots with the Langstone club and like most wildfowlers
eats all the birds he shoots. 

He said: "I prefer to go and shoot a duck that's led a completely wild
life and that has never been contained or mistreated like a battery
chicken." 

"It's the healthiest food you can get. It dies very quickly. I don't
have a problem with causing its demise. 

"I'm not hypocritical like people who rant against wildfowlers but
then go to the supermarket and buy a battery chicken." 

He said as with other wildfowling groups his does a lot of manual work
to preserve the harbour area and he said the club's wardens are
regularly out and about looking out for people shooting illegally. 

When they spot poachers they report them to the police so they can be
prosecuted. Three were recently spotted on Farlington Marshes and
reported. 

David Knowles, regional director of the British Association for
Shooting and Conservation, said wildfowling clubs all work very
closely with conservation bodies to preserve natural areas and often
wildfowlers are bird lovers as well. 

He said: "Very few birds are actually shot. It's a very sustainable
harvest. 

"There are tens of thousands of widgeon around the south coast and
probably no more than 300 are shot each year." 

Only certain species of bird are legally allowed to be shot in
Langstone Harbour by those with a licence. Others, such as Brent
Geese, are protected

More details about the RSPB and other CONservation hooligans can be
seen at


http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=rspb+slaughter&meta=

http://tinyurl.com/2xgmbg

THIS is where our donations are really going and I for one will no
longer be supporting them.
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:41:49 +0000   author:   Alan Hill.

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
Nutter Alert

Just complain about a few foxes and sod the millions of chickens eh?
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:24:00 GMT   author:   T0mmy

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
Nutter Alert
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:22:45 GMT   author:   T0mmy

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
"Alan Hill."  wrote in message 
news:h08mo3pame5a9t7etqovdeliibr89rui2e@4ax.com...
>
> Barry Hugill, from the League Against Cruel Sports, said: "I find it
> exceedingly distasteful. It's a wildlife sanctuary.
>

And this is the very same League Against Cruel Sports  who own a deer 
"sanctuary" on Exmoor where the deer are living in appalling conditions - 
disease is rife with malnutrition widespread BECAUSE THEY WON'T CULL 
THEM.......

Animal welfare MY ARSE.....
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:55:07 -0000   author:   Gordon lid

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:55:07 -0000, "Gordon"
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>"Alan Hill."  wrote in message 
>news:h08mo3pame5a9t7etqovdeliibr89rui2e@4ax.com...
>>
>> Barry Hugill, from the League Against Cruel Sports, said: "I find it
>> exceedingly distasteful. It's a wildlife sanctuary.
>>
>
>And this is the very same League Against Cruel Sports  who own a deer 
>"sanctuary" on Exmoor where the deer are living in appalling conditions - 
>disease is rife with malnutrition widespread BECAUSE THEY WON'T CULL 
>THEM.......
>
>Animal welfare MY ARSE..... 
>


Not true.  A TV programme showed this not to be the case. 


And I understand they can move freely out of the league's property.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident. 
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:18:52 +0000   author:   unknown

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
"T0mmy"  wrote in message 
news:9CHij.623$WJ.212@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
> Nutter Alert

Please explain why the OP is a nutter?

Redman
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:43:55 -0000   author:   Redman

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
Alan Hill. wrote:
> aaa
> 
> For many years Animal Rights advocates have tried to expose the truth
> that CONservation hooligans were coining it in at the taxpayers
> expense in grants and public donations supposedly to protect wildlife,
> but were in fact killing animals and often partnered by pro hunt
> groups. Well now the truth is out.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/29azyr
> 
> RSPB hands out licence that lets nature reserve visitors kill up to 10
> birds a day for sport
> Last updated at 11:36am on 11th January 2008
>  
> A bird charity has raised eyebrows by letting ducks and geese be shot
> on a nature reserve. 
> 
> The RSPB hands out shooting licences on its land at Langstone Harbour,
> near Portsmouth, Hants, where wildfowlers can kill up to 10 birds a
> day - for sport. 
> 
> The shooting has been allowed for years, but was only revealed when a
> pellet-riddled duck carcass was found by a walker. 
> 
> The charity today defended its decision, saying shoots are very
> carefully monitored and the alternative would be to have illegal
> poachers causing havoc. 
> 
> But wildlife lovers say it is against what the RSPB stands for -
> protecting birds. 
> 
> Barry Hugill, from the League Against Cruel Sports, said: "I find it
> exceedingly distasteful. It's a wildlife sanctuary. 
> 
> "How on earth can it be a sanctuary if someone is going to come and
> kill the birds that are resident there simply because they enjoy
> killing things? 
> 
> "I think it's scandalous and I do hope the RSPB will reconsider their
> decision." 
> 
> Keen twitcher and conservationist Robert Hill, who discovered a dead
> widgeon duck covered in pellet wounds, is horrified. 
> 
> There are signs up in Langstone Harbour saying wildfowling takes
> place, but he said it has never been publicly announced. 
> 
> There is no mention of the shooting licences on the RSPB's website. 
> 
> Mr Hill, 43, of Waterlooville, Hants, said: "I don't think it's
> acceptable. It's a blood sport. 
> 
> "I can't see any justification for it. It's a macho, egotistical, self
> gratifying act and I think it's disgusting. 
> 
> "No-one owns wildlife. These poor animals come in for sanctuary and
> end up getting blown out of the air." 
> 
> Local wildfowling group, the Langstone & District Wildfowlers &
> Conservation Association, has had shooting rights on the land since
> 1979 and wildfowling has taken place in the harbour since the 1600s. 
> 
> They are allowed to shoot between September and January on two of five
> islands in Langstone Harbour, which can be accessed by walking across
> the mudflats, and on saltmarshes at the northeast of Farlington
> Marshes. 
> 
> At the end of each month they have to report every bird shot to the
> RSPB so bird levels can be monitored. 
> 
> They must not shoot more than 10 birds each in one day, but in reality
> the club's members say they have only killed a handful of birds
> between them since September. 
> 
> Chris Cockburn, RSPB warden for Langstone harbour, said: "If
> wildfowling was banned the only way we could make it work would be by
> policing it. 
> 
> "The reality is that would be very difficult whereas by licensing it
> we are effectively controlling the amount of shooting that can occur. 
> 
> "At the moment the controls in place are pretty stringent. The
> alternative to the situation we have is grim. 
> 
> "Poaching would be disastrous for the harbour. It would be disastrous
> for the bird populations." 
> 
> He said one of the rules is that wildfowlers must always have a dog
> with them, which would usually collect up any dead birds. 
> 
> He added: "The RSPB does not have any axe to grind against any sport
> unless it affects the conservation issues and then we would be very
> much against it." 
> 
> Nick Horten, from the wildfowlers association, said the group carries
> out huge amounts of conservation work in the area and is extremely
> careful about the types of birds they shoot. 
> 
> All members are vetted by the police and must train for a year before
> they are allowed to shoot alone. 
> 
> He said: "We have been a tenant of the RSPB which is the foremost bird
> conservation group for 30 years and if they had the slightest concern
> about the way we conduct ourselves they would have thrown us off years
> ago." 
> 
> Wildfowlers also defended their sport saying it is more humane to eat
> a shot duck than a battery farmed chicken. 
> 
> Nick Horten shoots with the Langstone club and like most wildfowlers
> eats all the birds he shoots. 
> 
> He said: "I prefer to go and shoot a duck that's led a completely wild
> life and that has never been contained or mistreated like a battery
> chicken." 
> 
> "It's the healthiest food you can get. It dies very quickly. I don't
> have a problem with causing its demise. 
> 
> "I'm not hypocritical like people who rant against wildfowlers but
> then go to the supermarket and buy a battery chicken." 
> 
> He said as with other wildfowling groups his does a lot of manual work
> to preserve the harbour area and he said the club's wardens are
> regularly out and about looking out for people shooting illegally. 
> 
> When they spot poachers they report them to the police so they can be
> prosecuted. Three were recently spotted on Farlington Marshes and
> reported. 
> 
> David Knowles, regional director of the British Association for
> Shooting and Conservation, said wildfowling clubs all work very
> closely with conservation bodies to preserve natural areas and often
> wildfowlers are bird lovers as well. 
> 
> He said: "Very few birds are actually shot. It's a very sustainable
> harvest. 


         Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed 
a bit beyond killing things for recreation? Maybe they are just hungry?
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000   author:   Reg

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:43:55 -0000, "Redman"
 wrote:

>Please explain why the OP is a nutter?

Because he has posted a diatribe about wildlife conservation to the
uk.radio.amateur  newsgroup.

-- 
Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:58:12 +0000   author:   Walt Davidson

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000, Reg  wrote:

>         Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed 
>a bit beyond killing things for recreation?

Geese, Ducks, Moslem Terrorists...  
All good sport and hugely relaxing.

HTH
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:36 +0000   author:   unknown

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:18:52 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote
> 
>> And this is the very same League Against Cruel Sports  who own a deer 
>> "sanctuary" on Exmoor where the deer are living in appalling conditions - 
>> disease is rife with malnutrition widespread BECAUSE THEY WON'T CULL 
>> THEM.......
> 
> Not true.  A TV programme showed this not to be the case. 

So the LACS do kill the deer in the sanctuary?
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:59 +0000   author:   Stimpy

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:36 +0000, lucifer@eternal-flames.gov wrote
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000, Reg  wrote:
> 
>> Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed 
>> a bit beyond killing things for recreation?
> 
> Geese, Ducks, Moslem Terrorists...  
> All good sport and hugely relaxing.

Indeed... I was riding with the hunt on Boxing Day, knowing the Hunting Act 
is a dead duck and the townies have been stuffed makes it all the sweeter
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:35:27 +0000   author:   Stimpy

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On 2008-01-14, Walt Davidson  wrote:
>
>>Please explain why the OP is a nutter?
>
> Because he has posted a diatribe about wildlife conservation to the
> uk.radio.amateur  newsgroup.

Whether or not a nutter, the OP takes a very basic statement

  There exists a wildlife preservation charity that allows limited
  shooting on its land

and converts it to and incredibly emotional outburst with insults left
right and center.

It may be interesting to ask whether this charity is right or not in
their actions and the effect of those actions. As has been mentioned
elsewhere in this thread it is sometimes necessary to cull. Even that
can be questioned - sensibly, looking at each side of the argument.

 - Richard

-- 
   _/_/_/  _/_/_/  _/_/_/     Richard Corfield 
  _/  _/    _/    _/          
 _/_/      _/    _/                Time is a one way street,               
_/  _/  _/_/    _/_/_/                     except in the Twilight Zone
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:45:57 GMT   author:   Richard Corfield

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
"Walt Davidson"  wrote in message 
news:i2umo3ts40kc5terk80m422gr40pgoa50n@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:43:55 -0000, "Redman"
>  wrote:
>
>>Please explain why the OP is a nutter?
>
> Because he has posted a diatribe about wildlife conservation to the
> uk.radio.amateur  newsgroup.
>
> -- 
> Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

And? I don't subscribe to said ng but ng's get spammed by all sorts of shit 
day in day out, deal with it or ignore it. The fact that it has RSPB in the 
subject line should have been enough for you to leave it alone. Remember 
nobody forced you to read it.

Redman
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:04:01 -0000   author:   Redman

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
"Redman"  wrote in message
news:fmg4q0$1288$1@energise.enta.net...
> "Walt Davidson"  wrote in message
> news:i2umo3ts40kc5terk80m422gr40pgoa50n@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:43:55 -0000, "Redman"
>>  wrote:
>>>Please explain why the OP is a nutter?
>> Because he has posted a diatribe about wildlife conservation to the
>> uk.radio.amateur  newsgroup.
>> Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
>
> And? I don't subscribe to said ng but ng's get spammed by all sorts of
> shit day in day out, deal with it or ignore it. The fact that it has RSPB
> in the subject line should have been enough for you to leave it alone.
> Remember nobody forced you to read it.

That's odd! It's normally the RSCB that comes in for justifiable criticism
in uk.radio.amateur ...... The Radio Society for Citizen's Band!
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:23:11 -0000   author:   Anonymous.

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:45:57 GMT, Richard Corfield
 wrote:

>On 2008-01-14, Walt Davidson  wrote:
>>
>>>Please explain why the OP is a nutter?
>>
>> Because he has posted a diatribe about wildlife conservation to the
>> uk.radio.amateur  newsgroup.
>
>Whether or not a nutter, the OP takes a very basic statement
>
>  There exists a wildlife preservation charity that allows limited
>  shooting on its land
>
>and converts it to and incredibly emotional outburst with insults left
>right and center.
>
>It may be interesting to ask whether this charity is right or not in
>their actions and the effect of those actions.

RSPB is now a dirty word as far as I am concerned.
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:27:21 +0000   author:   Tony

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000, Reg  wrote:

>         Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed 
>a bit beyond killing things for recreation?

Geese, Ducks, Moslem Terrorists...  
All good sport and hugely relaxing.

HTH 

Old Nick.
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:28:15 +0000   author:   unknown

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:35:27 +0000, Stimpy 
wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:36 +0000, lucifer@eternal-flames.gov wrote
>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000, Reg  wrote:
>> 
>>> Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed 
>>> a bit beyond killing things for recreation?
>> 
>> Geese, Ducks, Moslem Terrorists...  
>> All good sport and hugely relaxing.
>
>Indeed... I was riding with the hunt on Boxing Day, knowing the Hunting Act 
>is a dead duck and the townies have been stuffed makes it all the sweeter

What a ridiculous fantasy.

Drag hunting is on the increase so you'd do well to get a dress and
join in!
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:45:39 +0000   author:   David L

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:29:59 +0000, Stimpy 
wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:18:52 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote
>> 
>>> And this is the very same League Against Cruel Sports  who own a deer 
>>> "sanctuary" on Exmoor where the deer are living in appalling conditions - 
>>> disease is rife with malnutrition widespread BECAUSE THEY WON'T CULL 
>>> THEM.......
>> 
>> Not true.  A TV programme showed this not to be the case. 
>
>So the LACS do kill the deer in the sanctuary?
>

As far as I'm aware they will only have an animal put down if it is
suffering.  Best to ask them.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident. 
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:06:24 +0000   author:   unknown

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:45:57 GMT, Richard Corfield
 wrote:

>On 2008-01-14, Walt Davidson  wrote:
>>
>>>Please explain why the OP is a nutter?
>>
>> Because he has posted a diatribe about wildlife conservation to the
>> uk.radio.amateur  newsgroup.
>
>Whether or not a nutter, the OP takes a very basic statement
>
>  There exists a wildlife preservation charity that allows limited
>  shooting on its land
>
>and converts it to and incredibly emotional outburst with insults left
>right and center.
>
>It may be interesting to ask whether this charity is right or not in
>their actions and the effect of those actions. As has been mentioned
>elsewhere in this thread it is sometimes necessary to cull. Even that
>can be questioned - sensibly, looking at each side of the argument.
>
> - Richard


The RSPB don't solicit money from the public for killing birds; they
do it for protecting birds.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident. 
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:04:42 +0000   author:   unknown

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Jan 14, 6:45 pm, David L  wrote:

Subscribers might find it interesting to see Pete's posting history
using this pseudonym.

Go to: http://groups.google.com/ ,find a post by David L, click on
"View profile" next to the name at the top of the post

Best hurry before he cancels them all, like he did for many other
pseudonyms he has used over the years
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:04:26 -0800 (PST)   author:   John M.

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
Redman wrote:
> "Walt Davidson"  wrote in message 
> news:i2umo3ts40kc5terk80m422gr40pgoa50n@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:43:55 -0000, "Redman"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Please explain why the OP is a nutter?
>> Because he has posted a diatribe about wildlife conservation to the
>> uk.radio.amateur  newsgroup.
>>
>> -- 
>> Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
> 
> And? I don't subscribe to said ng but ng's get spammed by all sorts of shit 
> day in day out, deal with it or ignore it.

No, it shows ignorance and fuckwittery
date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:03:13 +0000   author:   Martin

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
"Martin"  wrote in message 
news:478bce11$0$21088$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
> Redman wrote:
>> "Walt Davidson"  wrote in message 
>> news:i2umo3ts40kc5terk80m422gr40pgoa50n@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:43:55 -0000, "Redman"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please explain why the OP is a nutter?
>>> Because he has posted a diatribe about wildlife conservation to the
>>> uk.radio.amateur  newsgroup.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
>>
>> And? I don't subscribe to said ng but ng's get spammed by all sorts of 
>> shit day in day out, deal with it or ignore it.
>
> No, it shows ignorance and fuckwittery

And you've just shown yours

Redman
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:07:21 -0000   author:   Redman

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Jan 14, 6:45 pm, David L  wrote:

 Subscribers might find it interesting to see Pete's posting history
 using this pseudonym.

 Go to:http://groups.google.com/,finda post by David L, click on
 "View profile" next to the name at the top of the post

 Best hurry before he cancels them all, like he did for many other
 pseudonyms he has used over the years
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:00:30 -0800 (PST)   author:   John M.

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
in 638484 20080114 162736 lucifer@eternal-flames.gov wrote:
>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000, Reg  wrote:
>
>>         Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed
>>a bit beyond killing things for recreation?
>
>Geese, Ducks, Moslem Terrorists...
>All good sport and hugely relaxing.
>
>HTH

You left hunters off your list ...
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:34:35 GMT   author:   Bob Martin

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:45:39 +0000, David L wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:35:27 +0000, Stimpy 
> wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:36 +0000, lucifer@eternal-flames.gov wrote
>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000, Reg  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed 
>>>> a bit beyond killing things for recreation?
>>> 
>>> Geese, Ducks, Moslem Terrorists...  
>>> All good sport and hugely relaxing.
>>
>>Indeed... I was riding with the hunt on Boxing Day, knowing the Hunting Act 
>>is a dead duck and the townies have been stuffed makes it all the sweeter
> 
> What a ridiculous fantasy.
> 
> Drag hunting is on the increase so you'd do well to get a dress and
> join in!

ladder me tightses I would!
-- 
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:14:20 +0000   author:   PeterC

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:18:52 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:55:07 -0000, "Gordon"
><gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>"Alan Hill."  wrote in message 
>>news:h08mo3pame5a9t7etqovdeliibr89rui2e@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Barry Hugill, from the League Against Cruel Sports, said: "I find it
>>> exceedingly distasteful. It's a wildlife sanctuary.
>>>
>>
>>And this is the very same League Against Cruel Sports  who own a deer 
>>"sanctuary" on Exmoor where the deer are living in appalling conditions - 
>>disease is rife with malnutrition widespread BECAUSE THEY WON'T CULL 
>>THEM.......
>>
>>Animal welfare MY ARSE..... 
>>
>
>
>Not true.  A TV programme showed this not to be the case. 

Thats OK then. Everything we see on the goggle box is 100% true and
accurate ;)
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:42:01 GMT   author:   (Tim Jones)

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message , Stimpy 
 writes
>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:36 +0000, lucifer@eternal-flames.gov wrote
>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000, Reg  wrote:
>>
>>> Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed
>>> a bit beyond killing things for recreation?
>>
>> Geese, Ducks, Moslem Terrorists...
>> All good sport and hugely relaxing.
>
>Indeed... I was riding with the hunt on Boxing Day, knowing the Hunting Act
>is a dead duck and the townies have been stuffed makes it all the sweeter

Also there is a new criminal justice act on the way (or has it arrived?) 
that allows citizens to be much more robust when dealing with intruders. 
That goes for anti-hunt terrorists intruding on private land.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist. (G1LXP) http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk
Bloody Earthsearch on BBC7 every weekend for nearly six months and now Power
Corp are to make a movie of Follett's ICE.
http://scripts.digicc.com/powtv/prog_synopsis.php?id=655
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:04 +0000   author:   JF

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:04 +0000, JF 
wrote:

>In message , Stimpy 
> writes
>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:36 +0000, lucifer@eternal-flames.gov wrote
>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000, Reg  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed
>>>> a bit beyond killing things for recreation?
>>>
>>> Geese, Ducks, Moslem Terrorists...
>>> All good sport and hugely relaxing.
>>
>>Indeed... I was riding with the hunt on Boxing Day, knowing the Hunting Act
>>is a dead duck and the townies have been stuffed makes it all the sweeter
>
>Also there is a new criminal justice act on the way (or has it arrived?) 
>that allows citizens to be much more robust when dealing with intruders. 
>That goes for anti-hunt terrorists intruding on private land.

That doesn't apply to pervert pro hunt lunatics getting their kicks
killing defenseless creatures. They don't like things that can fight
back!
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:57:44 +0000   author:   Adam Hart Adam

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:42:01 GMT, wildenfarm@btopenworld.com (Tim
Jones) wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:18:52 +0000, amacmil304@aol.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:55:07 -0000, "Gordon"
>><gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>"Alan Hill."  wrote in message 
>>>news:h08mo3pame5a9t7etqovdeliibr89rui2e@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Barry Hugill, from the League Against Cruel Sports, said: "I find it
>>>> exceedingly distasteful. It's a wildlife sanctuary.
>>>>
>>>
>>>And this is the very same League Against Cruel Sports  who own a deer 
>>>"sanctuary" on Exmoor where the deer are living in appalling conditions - 
>>>disease is rife with malnutrition widespread BECAUSE THEY WON'T CULL 
>>>THEM.......
>>>
>>>Animal welfare MY ARSE..... 
>>>
>>
>>
>>Not true.  A TV programme showed this not to be the case. 
>
>Thats OK then. Everything we see on the goggle box is 100% true and
>accurate ;)

There were interviews with each side of the argument and the cameras
didn't lie.  There were plenty of healthy deer wandering about the
reserve and no sign that they were being contained to their
disadvantage.

Deer like all mammals including ourselves are subject to disease but I
don't hear anybody suggesting that we should go out shooting mice for
instance to stop them dying naturally.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident. 
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:14:09 +0000   author:   unknown

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:57:44 +0000, Adam Hart <Adam Hart@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>They don't like things that can fight back!

Neither do the Americans.

Old Nick.
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:40:09 +0000   author:   unknown

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message 
          Adam Hart <Adam Hart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:04 +0000, JF 
> wrote:

>>In message , Stimpy
>> writes
>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:36 +0000, lucifer@eternal-flames.gov wrote
>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000, Reg  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed
>>>>> a bit beyond killing things for recreation?
>>>>
>>>> Geese, Ducks, Moslem Terrorists...
>>>> All good sport and hugely relaxing.
>>>
>>>Indeed... I was riding with the hunt on Boxing Day, knowing the Hunting Act
>>>is a dead duck and the townies have been stuffed makes it all the sweeter
>>
>>Also there is a new criminal justice act on the way (or has it arrived?)
>>that allows citizens to be much more robust when dealing with intruders.
>>That goes for anti-hunt terrorists intruding on private land.

> That doesn't apply to pervert pro hunt lunatics getting their kicks
> killing defenseless creatures. They don't like things that can fight
> back!

Killing pests I can live with as a necessary evil, or for something 
you intend to eat, but although they occasionally claimed that's what 
they were doing, it was usually dressed up as a sport and therefore no 
different from cock fighting or bear baiting (which they would 
probably like legalised too).

-- 
Simon Challands
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:40:32 +0100   author:   Simon Challands

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
Simon Challands wrote:

> and therefore no  different from cock fighting or bear baiting 

And thereby show your UTTER and COMPLETE ignorance - like 99.99% of your 
ilk....

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date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:51:14 +0000   author:   Gordon lid

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:40:32 +0100, Simon Challands
 wrote:

>In message 
>          Adam Hart <Adam Hart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:04 +0000, JF 
>> wrote:
>
>>>In message , Stimpy
>>> writes
>>>>On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:27:36 +0000, lucifer@eternal-flames.gov wrote
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:34:35 +0000, Reg  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Each to their own I guess,but I thought we may have progressed
>>>>>> a bit beyond killing things for recreation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Geese, Ducks, Moslem Terrorists...
>>>>> All good sport and hugely relaxing.
>>>>
>>>>Indeed... I was riding with the hunt on Boxing Day, knowing the Hunting Act
>>>>is a dead duck and the townies have been stuffed makes it all the sweeter
>>>
>>>Also there is a new criminal justice act on the way (or has it arrived?)
>>>that allows citizens to be much more robust when dealing with intruders.
>>>That goes for anti-hunt terrorists intruding on private land.
>
>> That doesn't apply to pervert pro hunt lunatics getting their kicks
>> killing defenseless creatures. They don't like things that can fight
>> back!
>
>Killing pests I can live with as a necessary evil, or for something 
>you intend to eat, but although they occasionally claimed that's what 
>they were doing, it was usually dressed up as a sport and therefore no 
>different from cock fighting or bear baiting (which they would 
>probably like legalised too).

I think people are catching on given the increase in drag hunting for
the *commoner*. It's great fun and no wanton bloodshed in sight.
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:53:41 +0000   author:   Adam Hart

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
Adam Hart wrote:

> 
> I think people are catching on given the increase in drag hunting for
> the *commoner*. It's great fun and no wanton bloodshed in sight.
> 

You have NO IDEA, do you? 90% of those who hunt are what you so 
arrogantly call "commoners" and drag hunting has only been put in place 
to preserve the infrastructure until this ridiculous and unworkable 
piece of government discrimination is repealed.


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date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:04:28 +0000   author:   Gordon lid

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:04:28 +0000, Gordon
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>Adam Hart wrote:
>
>> 
>> I think people are catching on given the increase in drag hunting for
>> the *commoner*. It's great fun and no wanton bloodshed in sight.
>> 
>
>You have NO IDEA, do you? 90% of those who hunt are what you so 
>arrogantly call "commoners"

pro hunt has nothing in common with sane normal people. I think you
have been hoodwinked by Countryside Alliance who are failing the
countryside in it's obsessive pursuit of bloodsports.

> and drag hunting has only been put in place 
>to preserve the infrastructure until this ridiculous and unworkable 
>piece of government discrimination is repealed.

Drag hunting has been in place for many decades. The ban on
bloodsports ensured it has risen to the top of the countryside
Pursuits calendar despite the lunatic fringe trying to destroy it.

You will learn, one day it will sink in. In the meantime leave the
rest of us alone to enjoy the countryside without destroying it's
inhabitants.
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:24:35 +0000   author:   Adam Hart

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message , 
amacmil304@aol.com writes
>On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:42:01 GMT, wildenfarm@btopenworld.com (Tim
>Jones) wrote:
>
>
>Deer like all mammals including ourselves are subject to disease but I
>don't hear anybody suggesting that we should go out shooting mice for
>instance to stop them dying naturally.
>
Silly boy Angus why waste a cartridge and do all that damage when you 
can poison them or trap them
-- 
Malcolm Kane
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:15:31 +0000   author:   Malcolm Kane

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:04:28 +0000, Gordon
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>Adam Hart wrote:
>
>> 
>> I think people are catching on given the increase in drag hunting for
>> the *commoner*. It's great fun and no wanton bloodshed in sight.
>> 
>
>You have NO IDEA, do you? 90% of those who hunt are what you so 
>arrogantly call "commoners" and drag hunting has only been put in place 
>to preserve the infrastructure until this ridiculous and unworkable 
>piece of government discrimination is repealed.


From Blencathra Foxhounds:

"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"

Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
it.

And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.

What more could you want?  

The hunting ban is obviously a success.




Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident. 
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:21:07 +0000   author:   unknown

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message 
          Adam Hart  wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:04:28 +0000, Gordon
> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>>You have NO IDEA, do you? 90% of those who hunt are what you so
>>arrogantly call "commoners"

> pro hunt has nothing in common with sane normal people. I think you
> have been hoodwinked by Countryside Alliance who are failing the
> countryside in it's obsessive pursuit of bloodsports.

Hear hear. They also go on about very many serious problems in the 
countryside, but alienate a great deal of sympathy for a lot of very 
worthwhile causes with their hunting obsession.

-- 
Simon Challands
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:23:34 +0100   author:   Simon Challands

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message <fmivb5$dq3$1@news.mixmin.net>
          Gordon <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

> Simon Challands wrote:

>> and therefore no  different from cock fighting or bear baiting

> And thereby show your UTTER and COMPLETE ignorance - like 99.99% of your
> ilk....

Care to explain instead of just insult? "Ignorance" is the usual 
high-and-mighty reply from *your* ilk, without any defence of the 
position.

-- 
Simon Challands
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:21:46 +0100   author:   Simon Challands

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:15:31 +0000, Malcolm Kane wrote
> 
>> Deer like all mammals including ourselves are subject to disease but I
>> don't hear anybody suggesting that we should go out shooting mice for
>> instance to stop them dying naturally.
>> 
> Silly boy Angus why waste a cartridge and do all that damage when you 
> can poison them or trap them

...and they make SUCH a satisfying crunch when you catch them in a trap and 
stamp on them (mice, not deer!)
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:27:24 +0000   author:   Stimpy

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:04:28 +0000, Gordon
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:


>You have NO IDEA, do you? 90% of those who hunt are what you so 
>arrogantly call "commoners" and drag hunting has only been put in place 
>to preserve the infrastructure until this ridiculous and unworkable 
>piece of government discrimination is repealed.

... and in the meantime surely we can combine the two and hunt the
anti-hunt lot, on horseback, with dogs - or possibly leopards?
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:29:28 +0000   author:   unknown

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On the whole, I don't approve of bloodsports. But I do accept that
sometimes wildlife populations do need to be managed and I much prefer
when such excess populations are culled in a controlled and humane
manner by skilled hunters than taken by poachers or poisoned or
anything of the sort.

To some extent, humans are resposnsible for certain animals getting
out of control. This is especially true for rodents who feed off
litter and other types of garbage that are not being disposed of
appropriately, and also to some extent for foxes who either eat those
rodents or share their food. I believe that the severity of these
issues can be addressed by people taking a more responisble attitude
(although I realise that this alone cannot solve the problem 100%).

There are other species such as deer and also fowl who multiply
quickly because humans have eliminated their natural predators. As the
reintroduction of wolves and the like is a no-go issue in all but the
remotest of areas (if even there), some human management of the
problem is necessary.

Hunters are people who actually pay to be allowed to shoot. If they
weren't there, culls would have to be at the tax payers' expense.
Furthermore, hunters are generally interested in nature conservation
and so act
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:54:24 -0800 (PST)   author:   unknown

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
Simon Challands wrote:
> In message <fmivb5$dq3$1@news.mixmin.net>
>           Gordon <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Simon Challands wrote:
> 
>>> and therefore no  different from cock fighting or bear baiting
> 
>> And thereby show your UTTER and COMPLETE ignorance - like 99.99% of your
>> ilk....
> 
> Care to explain instead of just insult? "Ignorance" is the usual 
> high-and-mighty reply from *your* ilk, without any defence of the 
> position.
> 

not at all - 99% of those against hunting have NO KNOWLEDGE of what goes 
on. And as to your ignorant comparison with cockfighting and bearbaiting 
- in those two activities, the quarry has NO chance of escape WHATSOEVER 
- thus being completely different from hunting, and emphasising your 
ignorance of the latter.

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date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:02:26 +0000   author:   Gordon lid

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:02:26 +0000, Gordon
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>Simon Challands wrote:
>> In message <fmivb5$dq3$1@news.mixmin.net>
>>           Gordon <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Simon Challands wrote:
>> 
>>>> and therefore no  different from cock fighting or bear baiting
>> 
>>> And thereby show your UTTER and COMPLETE ignorance - like 99.99% of your
>>> ilk....
>> 
>> Care to explain instead of just insult? "Ignorance" is the usual 
>> high-and-mighty reply from *your* ilk, without any defence of the 
>> position.
>> 
>
>not at all - 99% of those against hunting have NO KNOWLEDGE of what goes 
>on.

Yes we do. We know it's cruel, barbaric and completely unnecessary.

> And as to your ignorant comparison with cockfighting and bearbaiting 
>- in those two activities, the quarry has NO chance of escape WHATSOEVER 
>- thus being completely different from hunting, and emphasising your 
>ignorance of the latter.

What chance have foxes against a mob on horseback and a pack of
hounds? What chance grouse and pheasant with clipped wings against a
mob with dogs and 12 gauge?

That's the idea of pro hunt. Cripple the prey so much they have little
chance!
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:23:54 +0000   author:   Adam Hart

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message , Stimpy 
 writes
>On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:15:31 +0000, Malcolm Kane wrote
>>
>>> Deer like all mammals including ourselves are subject to disease but I
>>> don't hear anybody suggesting that we should go out shooting mice for
>>> instance to stop them dying naturally.
>>>
>> Silly boy Angus why waste a cartridge and do all that damage when you
>> can poison them or trap them
>
>...and they make SUCH a satisfying crunch when you catch them in a trap and
>stamp on them (mice, not deer!)
>
LOL

I was a bit worried about the size of the trap.
-- 
Malcolm Kane
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:40:07 +0000   author:   Malcolm Kane

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message , Adam Hart 
 writes
>On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:02:26 +0000, Gordon
><gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Simon Challands wrote:
>>> In message <fmivb5$dq3$1@news.mixmin.net>
>>>           Gordon <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Simon Challands wrote:
>>>
>>>>> and therefore no  different from cock fighting or bear baiting
>>>
>>>> And thereby show your UTTER and COMPLETE ignorance - like 99.99% of your
>>>> ilk....
>>>
>>> Care to explain instead of just insult? "Ignorance" is the usual
>>> high-and-mighty reply from *your* ilk, without any defence of the
>>> position.
>>>
>>
>>not at all - 99% of those against hunting have NO KNOWLEDGE of what goes
>>on.
>
>Yes we do. We know it's cruel, barbaric and completely unnecessary.

Breaking my rule of not replying to "he of a thousand names".  However 
what these AR types don't admit is that preventing hunting doesn't stop 
foxes being killed.  It merely prevents them being hunted by dogs.

The last time I checked south west Scotland was killing more foxes after 
the hunting ban than before.

>
>> And as to your ignorant comparison with cockfighting and bearbaiting
>>- in those two activities, the quarry has NO chance of escape WHATSOEVER
>>- thus being completely different from hunting, and emphasising your
>>ignorance of the latter.
>
>What chance have foxes against a mob on horseback and a pack of
>hounds? What chance grouse and pheasant with clipped wings against a
>mob with dogs and 12 gauge?

Sheer ignorance of the facts.  The fox has more chance against a pack 
than some of the other methods.

As the topic has been opened out into birds grouse and pheasants are a 
farmed crop and no different to cattle being slaughtered - apart from 
the fact they don't have the stress of the journey and the wait in the 
slaughter house.

I wonder who re-catches all the releases pheasant poults to clip their 
wings.  They will have moulted between release and being shot as an 
adult.  If "Pete" means they have been pinioned before release they 
would never get of the ground.

SO dear casual reader do take many of these statements with a pinch of 
salt until you have checked the facts.

Do ***please*** check the facts but use a variety of sources and none 
which are biased avoid AR **and** shooting sites for your information.

>
>That's the idea of pro hunt. Cripple the prey so much they have little
>chance!
>
>
A rather obvious lie to anyone who has seen a pheasant over a period of 
time.  Such as those which visit my garden feeding station.

But then why let facts get in the way of a good propaganda exercise.
-- 
Malcolm Kane
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:51:35 +0000   author:   Malcolm Kane

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message , 
amacmil304@aol.com writes
>On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:04:28 +0000, Gordon
><gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Adam Hart wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think people are catching on given the increase in drag hunting for
>>> the *commoner*. It's great fun and no wanton bloodshed in sight.
>>>
>>
>>You have NO IDEA, do you? 90% of those who hunt are what you so
>>arrogantly call "commoners" and drag hunting has only been put in place
>>to preserve the infrastructure until this ridiculous and unworkable
>>piece of government discrimination is repealed.
>
>
>From Blencathra Foxhounds:
>
>"The season began with a great deal of uncertainty and apprehension as
>to how hounds and supporters would adjust to the new law. It is
>therefore a delight to report that at the seasons close, hounds not
>surprisingly adapted quickly and supporters embraced the changes and
>behaved impeccably. On behalf of the Officials, General Committee and
>Staff, I would like to thank everyone for their understanding,
>patience and considerable support and for making the transition so
>straightforward. We put a great deal of thought and preparation into
>the way in which we were going to operate throughout the season which
>would enable us "to provide a days activity on the fells for all of
>our supporters, whilst operating within the law". To this end it was
>decided that a day's activity would involve a combination of drag and
>exercise depending upon the prevailing conditions and terrain"
>
>Seems like the ban is working very well and this hunt has adapted to
>it.

Seems like nobody would be stupid enough to publicise it if they weren't 
keeping to the law.

>
>And since the ban those following the hunts have increased.

Living locally to the Blencathra I have seen no evidence of this.  How 
Angus can see from the wilds of Scotland I just don't understand.

>
>What more could you want?
>
>The hunting ban is obviously a success.
>
In your dreams - that is if you think banning hunting has stopped people 
killing foxes.  It hasn't and many die a much more horrible death from 
gun shot wounds.  At least with hounds they either die or escape.

Again don't let the facts get in the way of good propaganda.
-- 
Malcolm Kane
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:55:38 +0000   author:   Malcolm Kane

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message , Simon Challands 
 writes
>In message 
>          Adam Hart  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:04:28 +0000, Gordon
>> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>You have NO IDEA, do you? 90% of those who hunt are what you so
>>>arrogantly call "commoners"
>
>> pro hunt has nothing in common with sane normal people. I think you
>> have been hoodwinked by Countryside Alliance who are failing the
>> countryside in it's obsessive pursuit of bloodsports.
>
>Hear hear. They also go on about very many serious problems in the
>countryside, but alienate a great deal of sympathy for a lot of very
>worthwhile causes with their hunting obsession.
>
This statement again carefully avoids the fact that stopping hunting 
hasn't prevented foxes being killed.  Now anyone with a gun cross bow 
etc., feels free to take a pot shot - many escape wounded.  Previously 
they would rely on the hunt and not kill the fox to ensure the hunt had 
foxes.
-- 
Malcolm Kane
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:57:51 +0000   author:   Malcolm Kane

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message <fmj03v$h7q$1@news.mixmin.net>, Gordon 
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> writes

>You have NO IDEA, do you? 90% of those who hunt are what you so 
>arrogantly call "commoners" and drag hunting has only been put in place 
>to preserve the infrastructure until this ridiculous and unworkable 
>piece of government discrimination is repealed.

Silly knee-jerk laws don't have to be repealed; they can be ignored, 
like many of the requirements of the Town Police Clauses Act of the 19th 
Century. After some half-hearted initial attempts to show willing, the 
police now have little choice but to ignore this latest nonsense about 
hunting with hounds because home office have ruled that such offences 
cannot be included in crime clear-up figures; the treasury have blocked 
any additional expenditure by police authorities, and the lord 
chancellor's lot want a proper referral for fear that an ill-considered 
prosecution could bring the whole piece of nonsense tumbling down.

The act was doomed once lawyers realised that a hunt is exempt if it 
appoints a flush master armed with a shotgun to accompany the hunt. The 
flush master does not have an absolute responsibility to ensure that the 
hounds don't get the fox; he or she has only to take 'reasonable' steps 
to prevent it. Inclusion of the word 'reasonable' in an act renders it 
fit only for making lawyers richer. My local hunt have never had more 
than two hounds per huntsman because the daft act doesn't require those 
taking part in a hunt to be mounted!

The law lords in the upper house have a clear responsibility to frame 
workable legislation before passing it down to the commons. Why they 
failed to do so on this occasion, and why the commons accepted such a 
shambles is a bit of a mystery.

But, then, the recent gangmasters' registration act, designed to bring 
in a measure of state control of England's slave trade, was passed down 
by the lords in the knowledge that an immigrant worker has only to sign 
a form saying that the gangmaster is acting as his or her agent for the 
registration requirements to be void.
-- 
James Follett. "It is better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent
moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty sometimes sleeps, his cupidity
sometimes satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us
without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:37:48 +0000   author:   JF

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message , Malcolm Kane 
 writes

>This statement again carefully avoids the fact that stopping hunting 
>hasn't prevented foxes being killed.

Hunting with hounds has not been stopped, it has been 'regulated'. A 
hunt is limited to two hounds per huntsman. Even beaters are deemed to 
be taking part in a hunt so that their hound ration can be added to the 
total. Also a hunt has to have a flush master to take 'reasonable' steps 
etc.

It's all good for a chuckle.

-- 
James Follett. "It is better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent
moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty sometimes sleeps, his cupidity
sometimes satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us
without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:43:14 +0000   author:   JF

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
who cares!
"Alan Hill."  wrote in message 
news:h08mo3pame5a9t7etqovdeliibr89rui2e@4ax.com...
> aaa
>
> For many years Animal Rights advocates have tried to expose the truth
> that CONservation hooligans were coining it in at the taxpayers
> expense in grants and public donations supposedly to protect wildlife,
> but were in fact killing animals and often partnered by pro hunt
> groups. Well now the truth is out.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/29azyr
>
> RSPB hands out licence that lets nature reserve visitors kill up to 10
> birds a day for sport
> Last updated at 11:36am on 11th January 2008
>
> A bird charity has raised eyebrows by letting ducks and geese be shot
> on a nature reserve.
>
> The RSPB hands out shooting licences on its land at Langstone Harbour,
> near Portsmouth, Hants, where wildfowlers can kill up to 10 birds a
> day - for sport.
>
> The shooting has been allowed for years, but was only revealed when a
> pellet-riddled duck carcass was found by a walker.
>
> The charity today defended its decision, saying shoots are very
> carefully monitored and the alternative would be to have illegal
> poachers causing havoc.
>
> But wildlife lovers say it is against what the RSPB stands for -
> protecting birds.
>
> Barry Hugill, from the League Against Cruel Sports, said: "I find it
> exceedingly distasteful. It's a wildlife sanctuary.
>
> "How on earth can it be a sanctuary if someone is going to come and
> kill the birds that are resident there simply because they enjoy
> killing things?
>
> "I think it's scandalous and I do hope the RSPB will reconsider their
> decision."
>
> Keen twitcher and conservationist Robert Hill, who discovered a dead
> widgeon duck covered in pellet wounds, is horrified.
>
> There are signs up in Langstone Harbour saying wildfowling takes
> place, but he said it has never been publicly announced.
>
> There is no mention of the shooting licences on the RSPB's website.
>
> Mr Hill, 43, of Waterlooville, Hants, said: "I don't think it's
> acceptable. It's a blood sport.
>
> "I can't see any justification for it. It's a macho, egotistical, self
> gratifying act and I think it's disgusting.
>
> "No-one owns wildlife. These poor animals come in for sanctuary and
> end up getting blown out of the air."
>
> Local wildfowling group, the Langstone & District Wildfowlers &
> Conservation Association, has had shooting rights on the land since
> 1979 and wildfowling has taken place in the harbour since the 1600s.
>
> They are allowed to shoot between September and January on two of five
> islands in Langstone Harbour, which can be accessed by walking across
> the mudflats, and on saltmarshes at the northeast of Farlington
> Marshes.
>
> At the end of each month they have to report every bird shot to the
> RSPB so bird levels can be monitored.
>
> They must not shoot more than 10 birds each in one day, but in reality
> the club's members say they have only killed a handful of birds
> between them since September.
>
> Chris Cockburn, RSPB warden for Langstone harbour, said: "If
> wildfowling was banned the only way we could make it work would be by
> policing it.
>
> "The reality is that would be very difficult whereas by licensing it
> we are effectively controlling the amount of shooting that can occur.
>
> "At the moment the controls in place are pretty stringent. The
> alternative to the situation we have is grim.
>
> "Poaching would be disastrous for the harbour. It would be disastrous
> for the bird populations."
>
> He said one of the rules is that wildfowlers must always have a dog
> with them, which would usually collect up any dead birds.
>
> He added: "The RSPB does not have any axe to grind against any sport
> unless it affects the conservation issues and then we would be very
> much against it."
>
> Nick Horten, from the wildfowlers association, said the group carries
> out huge amounts of conservation work in the area and is extremely
> careful about the types of birds they shoot.
>
> All members are vetted by the police and must train for a year before
> they are allowed to shoot alone.
>
> He said: "We have been a tenant of the RSPB which is the foremost bird
> conservation group for 30 years and if they had the slightest concern
> about the way we conduct ourselves they would have thrown us off years
> ago."
>
> Wildfowlers also defended their sport saying it is more humane to eat
> a shot duck than a battery farmed chicken.
>
> Nick Horten shoots with the Langstone club and like most wildfowlers
> eats all the birds he shoots.
>
> He said: "I prefer to go and shoot a duck that's led a completely wild
> life and that has never been contained or mistreated like a battery
> chicken."
>
> "It's the healthiest food you can get. It dies very quickly. I don't
> have a problem with causing its demise.
>
> "I'm not hypocritical like people who rant against wildfowlers but
> then go to the supermarket and buy a battery chicken."
>
> He said as with other wildfowling groups his does a lot of manual work
> to preserve the harbour area and he said the club's wardens are
> regularly out and about looking out for people shooting illegally.
>
> When they spot poachers they report them to the police so they can be
> prosecuted. Three were recently spotted on Farlington Marshes and
> reported.
>
> David Knowles, regional director of the British Association for
> Shooting and Conservation, said wildfowling clubs all work very
> closely with conservation bodies to preserve natural areas and often
> wildfowlers are bird lovers as well.
>
> He said: "Very few birds are actually shot. It's a very sustainable
> harvest.
>
> "There are tens of thousands of widgeon around the south coast and
> probably no more than 300 are shot each year."
>
> Only certain species of bird are legally allowed to be shot in
> Langstone Harbour by those with a licence. Others, such as Brent
> Geese, are protected
>
> More details about the RSPB and other CONservation hooligans can be
> seen at
>
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=rspb+slaughter&meta=
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2xgmbg
>
> THIS is where our donations are really going and I for one will no
> longer be supporting them.
>
>
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:18:23 GMT   author:   Joseph McLaughlin

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:18:23 GMT, "Joseph McLaughlin"
 wrote:

>"Alan Hill."  wrote in message 
>news:h08mo3pame5a9t7etqovdeliibr89rui2e@4ax.com...
>> aaa
>>
>> For many years Animal Rights advocates have tried to expose the truth
>> that CONservation hooligans were coining it in at the taxpayers
>> expense in grants and public donations supposedly to protect wildlife,
>> but were in fact killing animals and often partnered by pro hunt
>> groups. Well now the truth is out.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/29azyr
>>
>> RSPB hands out licence that lets nature reserve visitors kill up to 10
>> birds a day for sport
>> Last updated at 11:36am on 11th January 2008
>>
>> A bird charity has raised eyebrows by letting ducks and geese be shot
>> on a nature reserve.
>>
>> The RSPB hands out shooting licences on its land at Langstone Harbour,
>> near Portsmouth, Hants, where wildfowlers can kill up to 10 birds a
>> day - for sport.
>>
>> The shooting has been allowed for years, but was only revealed when a
>> pellet-riddled duck carcass was found by a walker.
>>
>> The charity today defended its decision, saying shoots are very
>> carefully monitored and the alternative would be to have illegal
>> poachers causing havoc.
>>
>> But wildlife lovers say it is against what the RSPB stands for -
>> protecting birds.
>>
>> Barry Hugill, from the League Against Cruel Sports, said: "I find it
>> exceedingly distasteful. It's a wildlife sanctuary.
>>
>> "How on earth can it be a sanctuary if someone is going to come and
>> kill the birds that are resident there simply because they enjoy
>> killing things?
>>
>> "I think it's scandalous and I do hope the RSPB will reconsider their
>> decision."
>>
>> Keen twitcher and conservationist Robert Hill, who discovered a dead
>> widgeon duck covered in pellet wounds, is horrified.
>>
>> There are signs up in Langstone Harbour saying wildfowling takes
>> place, but he said it has never been publicly announced.
>>
>> There is no mention of the shooting licences on the RSPB's website.
>>
>> Mr Hill, 43, of Waterlooville, Hants, said: "I don't think it's
>> acceptable. It's a blood sport.
>>
>> "I can't see any justification for it. It's a macho, egotistical, self
>> gratifying act and I think it's disgusting.
>>
>> "No-one owns wildlife. These poor animals come in for sanctuary and
>> end up getting blown out of the air."
>>
>> Local wildfowling group, the Langstone & District Wildfowlers &
>> Conservation Association, has had shooting rights on the land since
>> 1979 and wildfowling has taken place in the harbour since the 1600s.
>>
>> They are allowed to shoot between September and January on two of five
>> islands in Langstone Harbour, which can be accessed by walking across
>> the mudflats, and on saltmarshes at the northeast of Farlington
>> Marshes.
>>
>> At the end of each month they have to report every bird shot to the
>> RSPB so bird levels can be monitored.
>>
>> They must not shoot more than 10 birds each in one day, but in reality
>> the club's members say they have only killed a handful of birds
>> between them since September.
>>
>> Chris Cockburn, RSPB warden for Langstone harbour, said: "If
>> wildfowling was banned the only way we could make it work would be by
>> policing it.
>>
>> "The reality is that would be very difficult whereas by licensing it
>> we are effectively controlling the amount of shooting that can occur.
>>
>> "At the moment the controls in place are pretty stringent. The
>> alternative to the situation we have is grim.
>>
>> "Poaching would be disastrous for the harbour. It would be disastrous
>> for the bird populations."
>>
>> He said one of the rules is that wildfowlers must always have a dog
>> with them, which would usually collect up any dead birds.
>>
>> He added: "The RSPB does not have any axe to grind against any sport
>> unless it affects the conservation issues and then we would be very
>> much against it."
>>
>> Nick Horten, from the wildfowlers association, said the group carries
>> out huge amounts of conservation work in the area and is extremely
>> careful about the types of birds they shoot.
>>
>> All members are vetted by the police and must train for a year before
>> they are allowed to shoot alone.
>>
>> He said: "We have been a tenant of the RSPB which is the foremost bird
>> conservation group for 30 years and if they had the slightest concern
>> about the way we conduct ourselves they would have thrown us off years
>> ago."
>>
>> Wildfowlers also defended their sport saying it is more humane to eat
>> a shot duck than a battery farmed chicken.
>>
>> Nick Horten shoots with the Langstone club and like most wildfowlers
>> eats all the birds he shoots.
>>
>> He said: "I prefer to go and shoot a duck that's led a completely wild
>> life and that has never been contained or mistreated like a battery
>> chicken."
>>
>> "It's the healthiest food you can get. It dies very quickly. I don't
>> have a problem with causing its demise.
>>
>> "I'm not hypocritical like people who rant against wildfowlers but
>> then go to the supermarket and buy a battery chicken."
>>
>> He said as with other wildfowling groups his does a lot of manual work
>> to preserve the harbour area and he said the club's wardens are
>> regularly out and about looking out for people shooting illegally.
>>
>> When they spot poachers they report them to the police so they can be
>> prosecuted. Three were recently spotted on Farlington Marshes and
>> reported.
>>
>> David Knowles, regional director of the British Association for
>> Shooting and Conservation, said wildfowling clubs all work very
>> closely with conservation bodies to preserve natural areas and often
>> wildfowlers are bird lovers as well.
>>
>> He said: "Very few birds are actually shot. It's a very sustainable
>> harvest.
>>
>> "There are tens of thousands of widgeon around the south coast and
>> probably no more than 300 are shot each year."
>>
>> Only certain species of bird are legally allowed to be shot in
>> Langstone Harbour by those with a licence. Others, such as Brent
>> Geese, are protected
>>
>> More details about the RSPB and other CONservation hooligans can be
>> seen at
>>
>>
>> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=rspb+slaughter&meta=
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2xgmbg
>>
>> THIS is where our donations are really going and I for one will no
>> longer be supporting them.

>who cares!

Many of us do.
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:27:57 +0000   author:   Adam Hart

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message <fmjahl$pa2$3@news.mixmin.net>
          Gordon <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

> not at all - 99% of those against hunting have NO KNOWLEDGE of what goes
> on. And as to your ignorant comparison with cockfighting and bearbaiting
> - in those two activities, the quarry has NO chance of escape WHATSOEVER
> - thus being completely different from hunting, and emphasising your
> ignorance of the latter.

No, all that emphasises is your abusive attitude. You think that I 
don't know that a fox doesn't always get caught? It hardly makes it 
completely different from cock fighting (and in that, one of them has 
a chance of surviving, anyway). The key point is that all three 
activities are performed for pleasure (fox hunting occasionally tries 
to justify itself by more acceptable means, which don't really add 
up), and involve killing things, which is what I find unacceptable.

I do know what I'm talking about. I've lived in the country for most 
of my life, and I used to watch the hunt set off when I was young. I 
can understand the excitement of the chase. I can't help but be 
revolted by its intended final result, and, if your attitude is 
typical (which it seems to be for a fair few) by the people involved.

-- 
Simon Challands
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:00:06 +0100   author:   Simon Challands

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
In message 
          Malcolm Kane  wrote:

> In message , Simon Challands
>  writes
>>In message 
>>          Adam Hart  wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:04:28 +0000, Gordon
>>> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>You have NO IDEA, do you? 90% of those who hunt are what you so
>>>>arrogantly call "commoners"
>>
>>> pro hunt has nothing in common with sane normal people. I think you
>>> have been hoodwinked by Countryside Alliance who are failing the
>>> countryside in it's obsessive pursuit of bloodsports.
>>
>>Hear hear. They also go on about very many serious problems in the
>>countryside, but alienate a great deal of sympathy for a lot of very
>>worthwhile causes with their hunting obsession.
>>
> This statement again carefully avoids the fact that stopping hunting
> hasn't prevented foxes being killed.  Now anyone with a gun cross bow
> etc., feels free to take a pot shot - many escape wounded.  Previously
> they would rely on the hunt and not kill the fox to ensure the hunt had
> foxes.

Irrevelent to the point about the Countryside Alliance and their 
hunting stance and sympathy elsewhere. And using one means of 
unacceptable behaviour to justify another is absurd.

How did my statement "carefully avoid" anything at all? Nothing I was 
replying to made any mention of the number of foxes killed nor the 
liklihood of them being left injured.

-- 
Simon Challands
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:05:40 +0100   author:   Simon Challands

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife!   
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:40:07 +0000, Malcolm Kane wrote
> 
>>> Silly boy Angus why waste a cartridge and do all that damage when you
>>> can poison them or trap them
>> 
>> ...and they make SUCH a satisfying crunch when you catch them in a trap and
>> stamp on them (mice, not deer!)
>> 
> LOL
> 
> I was a bit worried about the size of the trap.

Mmm... I tried one of those deer traps but the cheese bill was huge!
date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:46:55 +0000   author:   Stimpy

Re: EXPOSED: RSPB caught in bed with pro hunt partners when it's supposed to be protecting wildlife! RSPB confess to 12 wildfowl shoots, what else?   
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:41:49 +0000, Alan Hill. 
wrote:

>aaa
>
>For many years Animal Rights advocates have tried to expose the truth
>that CONservation hooligans were coining it in at the taxpayers
>expense in grants and public donations supposedly to protect wildlife,
>but were in fact killing animals and often partnered by pro hunt
>groups. Well now the truth is out.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/29azyr
>
>RSPB hands out licence that lets nature reserve visitors kill up to 10
>birds a day for sport
>Last updated at 11:36am on 11th January 2008
> 
>A bird charity has raised eyebrows by letting ducks and geese be shot
>on a nature reserve. 
>
>The RSPB hands out shooting licences on its land at Langstone Harbour,
>near Portsmouth, Hants, where wildfowlers can kill up to 10 birds a
>day - for sport. 
>
>The shooting has been allowed for years, but was only revealed when a
>pellet-riddled duck carcass was found by a walker. 
>
>The charity today defended its decision, saying shoots are very
>carefully monitored and the alternative would be to have illegal
>poachers causing havoc. 
>
>But wildlife lovers say it is against what the RSPB stands for -
>protecting birds. 
>
>Barry Hugill, from the League Against Cruel Sports, said: "I find it
>exceedingly distasteful. It's a wildlife sanctuary. 
>
>"How on earth can it be a sanctuary if someone is going to come and
>kill the birds that are resident there simply because they enjoy
>killing things? 
>
>"I think it's scandalous and I do hope the RSPB will reconsider their
>decision." 
>
>Keen twitcher and conservationist Robert Hill, who discovered a dead
>widgeon duck covered in pellet wounds, is horrified. 
>
>There are signs up in Langstone Harbour saying wildfowling takes
>place, but he said it has never been publicly announced. 
>
>There is no mention of the shooting licences on the RSPB's website. 
>
>Mr Hill, 43, of Waterlooville, Hants, said: "I don't think it's
>acceptable. It's a blood sport. 
>
>"I can't see any justification for it. It's a macho, egotistical, self
>gratifying act and I think it's disgusting. 
>
>"No-one owns wildlife. These poor animals come in for sanctuary and
>end up getting blown out of the air." 
>
>Local wildfowling group, the Langstone & District Wildfowlers &
>Conservation Association, has had shooting rights on the land since
>1979 and wildfowling has taken place in the harbour since the 1600s. 
>
>They are allowed to shoot between September and January on two of five
>islands in Langstone Harbour, which can be accessed by walking across
>the mudflats, and on saltmarshes at the northeast of Farlington
>Marshes. 
>
>At the end of each month they have to report every bird shot to the
>RSPB so bird levels can be monitored. 
>
>They must not shoot more than 10 birds each in one day, but in reality
>the club's members say they have only killed a handful of birds
>between them since September. 
>
>Chris Cockburn, RSPB warden for Langstone harbour, said: "If
>wildfowling was banned the only way we could make it work would be by
>policing it. 
>
>"The reality is that would be very difficult whereas by licensing it
>we are effectively controlling the amount of shooting that can occur. 
>
>"At the moment the controls in place are pretty stringent. The
>alternative to the situation we have is grim. 
>
>"Poaching would be disastrous for the harbour. It would be disastrous
>for the bird populations." 
>
>He said one of the rules is that wildfowlers must always have a dog
>with them, which would usually collect up any dead birds. 
>
>He added: "The RSPB does not have any axe to grind against any sport
>unless it affects the conservation issues and then we would be very
>much against it." 
>
>Nick Horten, from the wildfowlers association, said the group carries
>out huge amounts of conservation work in the area and is extremely
>careful about the types of birds they shoot. 
>
>All members are vetted by the police and must train for a year before
>they are allowed to shoot alone. 
>
>He said: "We have been a tenant of the RSPB which is the foremost bird
>conservation group for 30 years and if they had the slightest concern
>about the way we conduct ourselves they would have thrown us off years
>ago." 
>
>Wildfowlers also defended their sport saying it is more humane to eat
>a shot duck than a battery farmed chicken. 
>
>Nick Horten shoots with the Langstone club and like most wildfowlers
>eats all the birds he shoots. 
>
>He said: "I prefer to go and shoot a duck that's led a completely wild
>life and that has never been contained or mistreated like a battery
>chicken." 
>
>"It's the healthiest food you can get. It dies very quickly. I don't
>have a problem with causing its demise. 
>
>"I'm not hypocritical like people who rant against wildfowlers but
>then go to the supermarket and buy a battery chicken." 
>
>He said as with other wildfowling groups his does a lot of manual work
>to preserve the harbour area and he said the club's wardens are
>regularly out and about looking out for people shooting illegally. 
>
>When they spot poachers they report them to the police so they can be
>prosecuted. Three were recently spotted on Farlington Marshes and
>reported. 
>
>David Knowles, regional director of the British Association for
>Shooting and Conservation, said wildfowling clubs all work very
>closely with conservation bodies to preserve natural areas and often
>wildfowlers are bird lovers as well. 
>
>He said: "Very few birds are actually shot. It's a very sustainable
>harvest. 
>
>"There are tens of thousands of widgeon around the south coast and
>probably no more than 300 are shot each year." 
>
>Only certain species of bird are legally allowed to be shot in
>Langstone Harbour by those with a licence. Others, such as Brent
>Geese, are protected
>
>More details about the RSPB and other CONservation hooligans can be
>seen at
>
>
>http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=rspb+slaughter&meta=
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2xgmbg
>
>THIS is where our donations are really going and I for one will no
>longer be supporting them.
>


Reply from RSPB:

There are 11 other RSPB reserves where wildfowling takes place.  At
four, there are similar arrangements to the one at Langstone Harbour
where there are overall conservation benefits.  At the other seven we
do not have control over the shooting rights - although we always
strive to acquire these if the opportunity arises.

Best wishes


Valerie Osborne
Wildlife Enquiries
date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:53:49 +0000   author:   Old Codger