On Jul 15, 5:02 pm, matt  wrote:
> On Jul 15, 10:57 am, Will Dockery  wrote:
>
> > matt wrote:
> > >adamlynn wrote:
> > > >matt  wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > from fairest creatures we desire increase
> > > > > >> > that thereby beauties rose might never die;
> > > > > >> > but, as the riper should by time decease,
> > > > > >> > his tender hire might be his memory.
> > > > > >> > but, thou contracted to thine own bright eyes;
> > > > > >> > feedest thy lights flame with self substantial fuel;
> > > > > >> > making a famine where abundance lies;
> > > > > >> > thyself, they foe, to thy sweat self too cruel.
> > > > > >> > thou that art now the worlds fresh ornament;
> > > > > >> > and cater only to the gaudy spring;
> > > > > >> > within thine own bud buriest thy content;
> > > > > >> > and, tender churl, makest waste in niggarding.
> > > > > >> > pity the world, or esle this glutten be.
> > > > > >> > to eat the world dues, by the grave and thee.
>
> > > > > >> > william shakespeare

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> > > "Paul Crowley"  wrote:
>
> > > > At the other end of the spectrum we have those who
> > > > > continually find sexual innuendo where it doesn't exist.
> > > > Care to provide some examples?
>
> > > I'll do better than that. I'll provide contrasting examples.
>
> > > Example of adult exegesis (Lynne Kositsky), relating to Sonnet 3:
>
> > >   But if thou live remembered not to be,
> > >   Die single, and thine image dies with thee.
>
> > > "But there's a wonderful pun on it too, one I've just discovered.
> > > "Die" is
> > > to have an orgasm. Therefore "to die single" is to masturbate. And
> > > "Die
> > > single and thine image dies with thee" has a wonderful flavour of self
> > > love.
> > > If you have an orgasm
> > > while looking in the mirror, your image has one too. "
>
> > > Example of pre-pubescent exegesis (Paul Crowley) of Sonnet 2 - my
> > > paraphrase:
>
> > >    When forty of the martial Winter brothers browbeat you about some
> > > issue
> > >    And dig deep trenches in Windsor Park....
>
> > > Like most other people, I didn't have the stamina to wade through the
> > > rest
> > > of it. But a few taps of the Page Down key confirmed that it contained
> > > what
> > > I expected it to contain:-
>
> > > Penis....vagina.... penis..... vagina....askt=arsed...her beauty lies
> > > in her
> > > arse... her "deepe sunken eyes"=her vagina (twin vaginas,
> > > presumably)...
> > > penis...female pudenda...orgasm....thriftlesse p-raise..another
> > > vagina...
> > > sum my cunt...her excuse for a cunt...the Queen's 'ole...
>
> > Look up the origins of the word Quaint for an eye opener, back in
> > Shakespeare's time (and before) it had a quite different meaning, at
> > least in some contexts. "Please to make your acquaintance, m'lady."
> > could get some real laughs from audience members at The Globe who were
> > in the know. Looking this up again, I see that besides Shakes,
> > Chaucer, Jonson, Marvell and other literary notables used Quaint in
> > this way.
>
> >http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/quaint
>
> > --
> > "She Sleeps Tight" by Will Dockery & Brian Mallard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGY157cpiU
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> hahaha-
> pretty neat, pretty neat.
> "please to meet you acQUAINTance, m'lady."
>
> takes on a whole new meaning.

Yes, combined with the knowledge of the old school meaning -sometimes-
of "die" along with "quaint", et cetera, and the poem can take on at
least a double layer, as I worked with in one section of "Greybeard
Cavalier":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6BGlXmtzE8