Hello,

In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape 
over the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.

Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about 
amidships.  Here is a picture.

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg

 From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.

There MAY also have been a deck fitting.  I remember a smallish deck 
fitting that looked like a water fill on each side of the deck about 6" 
back from the side.  I didn't associate them with the side hull fittings 
until that evening.

Any thoughts on what this might be?

Oh, the boat was built in England (Cronwall) in 1984.

Many thanks,

Howard

hpeer wrote:

> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about
> amidships.  Here is a picture.
> 
http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
> 
>  From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.

I would think they appeared to be some sort of bolt because they are
bolts, just used for blanking off the holes.  The holes themselves
are likely reinforced, and intended for attaching drying-out legs.

> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape over 
> the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>
> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about 
> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>
> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
>


Easy. It's a ladder, they're used on bigger boats to help you get on and 
off.

TonyB

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:15:49 -0000, "TonyB"  wrote:

>> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape over 
>> the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>>
>> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about 
>> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>>
>> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
>>
>
>
>Easy. It's a ladder, they're used on bigger boats to help you get on and 
>off.

I thought that was a more obvious answer than Raygun's bolts.
-- 

Martin

"hpeer"  wrote in message 
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> Hello,
>
> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape over 
> the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>
> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about 
> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>
> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
>
> From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.
>
> There MAY also have been a deck fitting.  I remember a smallish deck 
> fitting that looked like a water fill on each side of the deck about 6" 
> back from the side.  I didn't associate them with the side hull fittings 
> until that evening.
>
> Any thoughts on what this might be?
>
> Oh, the boat was built in England (Cronwall) in 1984.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Howard

"hpeer"  wrote in message 
news:4af0646e$0$1613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> Hello,
>
> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape over 
> the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>
> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about 
> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>
> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
>
> From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.
>
> There MAY also have been a deck fitting.  I remember a smallish deck 
> fitting that looked like a water fill on each side of the deck about 6" 
> back from the side.  I didn't associate them with the side hull fittings 
> until that evening.
>
> Any thoughts on what this might be?
>
> Oh, the boat was built in England (Cronwall) in 1984.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Howard




These fittings cover holes in the hull and deck where the hull under 
construction was bolted to a rotating jig for welding purposes. It's ever so 
much easier to weld on a horizontal surface from above than sideways or 
underneath a surface.



Wilbur Hubbard

"hpeer"  wrote in message 
news:4af0646e$0$1613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> Hello,
>
> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape over 
> the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>
> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about 
> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>
> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
>
> From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.
>
> There MAY also have been a deck fitting.  I remember a smallish deck 
> fitting that looked like a water fill on each side of the deck about 6" 
> back from the side.  I didn't associate them with the side hull fittings 
> until that evening.
>
> Any thoughts on what this might be?
>
> Oh, the boat was built in England (Cronwall) in 1984.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Howard

DID YOU SEE WHAT WAS ON THE INSIDE OF THE HULL WHERE THESE 'FITTINGS WERE'?

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:17:08 -0000, "Duncan Heenan" 
wrote:

>"hpeer"  wrote in message 
>news:4af0646e$0$1613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape over 
>> the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>>
>> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about 
>> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>>
>> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
>>
>> From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.
>>
>> There MAY also have been a deck fitting.  I remember a smallish deck 
>> fitting that looked like a water fill on each side of the deck about 6" 
>> back from the side.  I didn't associate them with the side hull fittings 
>> until that evening.
>>
>> Any thoughts on what this might be?
>>
>> Oh, the boat was built in England (Cronwall) in 1984.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Howard
>
>DID YOU SEE WHAT WAS ON THE INSIDE OF THE HULL WHERE THESE 'FITTINGS WERE'? 

"From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt."

THE OTHER END OF THE BOLTS?
-- 

Martin

"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:17:08 -0000, "Duncan Heenan" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>"hpeer"  wrote in message
>>news:4af0646e$0$1613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape 
>>> over
>>> the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>>>
>>> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about
>>> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>>>
>>> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
>>>
>>> From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.
>>>
>>> There MAY also have been a deck fitting.  I remember a smallish deck
>>> fitting that looked like a water fill on each side of the deck about 6"
>>> back from the side.  I didn't associate them with the side hull fittings
>>> until that evening.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on what this might be?
>>>
>>> Oh, the boat was built in England (Cronwall) in 1984.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Howard
>>
>>DID YOU SEE WHAT WAS ON THE INSIDE OF THE HULL WHERE THESE 'FITTINGS 
>>WERE'?
>
> "From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt."
>
> THE OTHER END OF THE BOLTS?
> -- 
>
> Martin

OK smart arse. What sort of nuts were on the bolts? What size? What 
material? Was the hull strengthened in any way, near the holes, of so how? 
Was the hole made for a skin fitting? Was there anything else on the inside 
of the hull which could be associated?  What was the acces to the inside of 
these 'bolts'? Any other useful information?

Duncan Heenan wrote:
> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:tqo2f593ad2cfiqj0dvvv3hlfupnu3grq3@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:17:08 -0000, "Duncan Heenan" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "hpeer"  wrote in message
>>> news:4af0646e$0$1613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' 
>>>> Pape over
>>>> the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about
>>>> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>>>>
>>>> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.
>>>>
>>>> There MAY also have been a deck fitting.  I remember a smallish deck
>>>> fitting that looked like a water fill on each side of the deck about 6"
>>>> back from the side.  I didn't associate them with the side hull 
>>>> fittings
>>>> until that evening.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on what this might be?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, the boat was built in England (Cronwall) in 1984.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Howard
>>>
>>> DID YOU SEE WHAT WAS ON THE INSIDE OF THE HULL WHERE THESE 'FITTINGS 
>>> WERE'?
>>
>> "From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt."
>>
>> THE OTHER END OF THE BOLTS?
>> -- 
>>
>> Martin
> 
> OK smart arse. What sort of nuts were on the bolts? What size? What
> material? Was the hull strengthened in any way, near the holes, of so 
> how? Was the hole made for a skin fitting? Was there anything else on 
> the inside of the hull which could be associated?  What was the acces to 
> the inside of these 'bolts'? Any other useful information?
> 
> 

Only got to see one of the four from the inside, upper starboard, which 
was easily enough accessed.  I didn't have a lot of time on the boat as 
the broker had to run.  But....

The visible bolt end was squared on two sides so you could put a spanner 
on it.  I could not see the hull clearly and there must have been some 
sort of nut I could not see.  Also can't tell about reinforcement.  I 
could see some hull but I could have been seeing the skin or I could 
have been seeing a reinforcing plate welded on the skin.

The lower bolt was covered with junk in a locker I didn't want to dig 
through but could have been easily accessible if things were squared 
away.  Just don't know.

And there are smallish looking deck fills (or maybe something else) on 
the side deck just about above these "dimples."  I didn't associate 
these with the dimples until later that evening.


One thought I had was that these were for fitting legs.  If you can 
imagine that when you wanted to fit the leg you would run out the bolt 
so the mushroom heads would protrude say a 1/2 inch.  The leg would have 
T shaped slots to fit over the bolt head and then slide UP to capture 
the head.  Then you would tighten the bolts from inside once again to 
hold the leg.

But the one leg supplier I find on Google has a different type of system 
with one fitting and a T shaped roller.  Maybe there are, or where, 
other English leg systems that fit the above description????

The idea that they are left over from a construction jig is also 
interesting and one I had not considered.  The only thing to argue 
against it would be that the fabricator would have likely welded the 
holes closed.  No????  Is this common????

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
> "hpeer"  wrote in message 
> news:4af0646e$0$1613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape over 
>> the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>>
>> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about 
>> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>>
>> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
>>
>> From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.
>>
>> There MAY also have been a deck fitting.  I remember a smallish deck 
>> fitting that looked like a water fill on each side of the deck about 6" 
>> back from the side.  I didn't associate them with the side hull fittings 
>> until that evening.
>>
>> Any thoughts on what this might be?
>>
>> Oh, the boat was built in England (Cronwall) in 1984.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Howard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> These fittings cover holes in the hull and deck where the hull under 
> construction was bolted to a rotating jig for welding purposes. It's ever so 
> much easier to weld on a horizontal surface from above than sideways or 
> underneath a surface.
> 
> 
> 
> Wilbur Hubbard
> 
> 

But wouldn't the builder have welded the holes closed?  It is an 
interesting idea.  Have you seen this before?

TonyB wrote:
>> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape 
>> over the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>>
>> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about 
>> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>>
>> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg 
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Easy. It's a ladder, they're used on bigger boats to help you get on and 
> off.
> 
> TonyB


Tony,

Have you seen this type of fitting before?  I had not considered a 
ladder but they are clearly at the gates so that makes some sense.

"hpeer"  wrote in message 
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> Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
>> "hpeer"  wrote in message 
>> news:4af0646e$0$1613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape 
>>> over the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>>>
>>> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about 
>>> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>>>
>>> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
>>>
>>> From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.
>>>
>>> There MAY also have been a deck fitting.  I remember a smallish deck 
>>> fitting that looked like a water fill on each side of the deck about 6" 
>>> back from the side.  I didn't associate them with the side hull fittings 
>>> until that evening.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on what this might be?
>>>
>>> Oh, the boat was built in England (Cronwall) in 1984.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Howard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> These fittings cover holes in the hull and deck where the hull under 
>> construction was bolted to a rotating jig for welding purposes. It's ever 
>> so much easier to weld on a horizontal surface from above than sideways 
>> or underneath a surface.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wilbur Hubbard
>>
>>
>
> But wouldn't the builder have welded the holes closed?  It is an 
> interesting idea.  Have you seen this before?



I've seen boats being built on rotating frameworks (jigs). I suppose they 
could have welded the holes shut and then sanded them smooth but why bother? 
Just put a nice plug into them and they're done.  Might even be good for 
hauling the boat on a giant crane if one could fit the right metal lifting 
hooks.

Wilbur Hubbard

"hpeer"  wrote in message 
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> Duncan Heenan wrote:
>> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:tqo2f593ad2cfiqj0dvvv3hlfupnu3grq3@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:17:08 -0000, "Duncan Heenan" 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "hpeer"  wrote in message
>>>> news:4af0646e$0$1613$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> In the eternal quest for the perfect boat I was looking at a 44' Pape 
>>>>> over
>>>>> the weekend.  Lovely boat, in steel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway she had these funny fittings on the hull side, just about
>>>>> amidships.  Here is a picture.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/hpeer/?action=view¤t=IMG_0276.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt.
>>>>>
>>>>> There MAY also have been a deck fitting.  I remember a smallish deck
>>>>> fitting that looked like a water fill on each side of the deck about 
>>>>> 6"
>>>>> back from the side.  I didn't associate them with the side hull 
>>>>> fittings
>>>>> until that evening.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts on what this might be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, the boat was built in England (Cronwall) in 1984.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Howard
>>>>
>>>> DID YOU SEE WHAT WAS ON THE INSIDE OF THE HULL WHERE THESE 'FITTINGS 
>>>> WERE'?
>>>
>>> "From the inside they appeared to be some sort of bolt."
>>>
>>> THE OTHER END OF THE BOLTS?
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
>> OK smart arse. What sort of nuts were on the bolts? What size? What
>> material? Was the hull strengthened in any way, near the holes, of so 
>> how? Was the hole made for a skin fitting? Was there anything else on the 
>> inside of the hull which could be associated?  What was the acces to the 
>> inside of these 'bolts'? Any other useful information?
>>
>>
>
> Only got to see one of the four from the inside, upper starboard, which 
> was easily enough accessed.  I didn't have a lot of time on the boat as 
> the broker had to run.  But....
>
> The visible bolt end was squared on two sides so you could put a spanner 
> on it.  I could not see the hull clearly and there must have been some 
> sort of nut I could not see.  Also can't tell about reinforcement.  I 
> could see some hull but I could have been seeing the skin or I could have 
> been seeing a reinforcing plate welded on the skin.
>
> The lower bolt was covered with junk in a locker I didn't want to dig 
> through but could have been easily accessible if things were squared away. 
> Just don't know.
>
> And there are smallish looking deck fills (or maybe something else) on the 
> side deck just about above these "dimples."  I didn't associate these with 
> the dimples until later that evening.
>
>
> One thought I had was that these were for fitting legs.  If you can 
> imagine that when you wanted to fit the leg you would run out the bolt so 
> the mushroom heads would protrude say a 1/2 inch.  The leg would have T 
> shaped slots to fit over the bolt head and then slide UP to capture the 
> head.  Then you would tighten the bolts from inside once again to hold the 
> leg.
>
> But the one leg supplier I find on Google has a different type of system 
> with one fitting and a T shaped roller.  Maybe there are, or where, other 
> English leg systems that fit the above description????
>
> The idea that they are left over from a construction jig is also 
> interesting and one I had not considered.  The only thing to argue against 
> it would be that the fabricator would have likely welded the holes closed. 
> No????  Is this common????

From what you describe, my guess would be to agree with Ronald Raygun, that 
they're to take boat legs.
Jig fittings is possible, but it would be a pretty poor builder who closed 
them with plugs instead of flush welded plates.
The boat broker should have known what they were if he was doing his job 
properly, but few do do that.

On 5 Nov, 11:40, "Duncan Heenan"  wrote:
s.
> The boat broker should have known what they were if he was doing his job
> properly, but few do do that.

Much like Estate Agents then!

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:04:16 -0800 (PST), broadssailor
 wrote:

>On 5 Nov, 11:40, "Duncan Heenan"  wrote:
>s.
>> The boat broker should have known what they were if he was doing his job
>> properly, but few do do that.
>
>Much like Estate Agents then!

and solicitors?
-- 

Martin

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
> "hpeer"  wrote in message 
>> Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

>>> These fittings cover holes in the hull and deck where the hull under 
>>> construction was bolted to a rotating jig for welding purposes. 

>> But wouldn't the builder have welded the holes closed?  It is an 
>> interesting idea.  Have you seen this before?

> I've seen boats being built on rotating frameworks (jigs). I suppose they 
> could have welded the holes shut and then sanded them smooth but why bother? 

I've known one-off cars built like this - they call it a "rotisserie". 
But the car is generally welded to the jig, not bolted, and the weld is 
cut through and polished up afterwards. I can't see any reason to use 
bolts, and leaving them in if that were their purpose seems shoddy. I'd 
also expect such fixings to be at bow and stern rather than their 
present locations.

Pete