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date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:58:23 +0000,    group: uk.rec.driving        back       
EU national, speed cam?   
What happens if, an EU national with a hire car trips a speed camera.

Presumably nothing legally?

But surely the hire company will get the ticket as the keeper of the 
vehicle - would they be likely to bill the driver for the administration 
of dealing with the court?

TIA
date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:58:23 +0000   author:   Hiram

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Hiram  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

> What happens if, an EU national with a hire car trips a speed camera.
> 
> Presumably nothing legally?

They can get a private company to write to you and ask you nicely to pay.

Or they can wait until you return to their country then hit you with the 
legal consequences of failure to pay.

> But surely the hire company will get the ticket as the keeper of the
> vehicle - would they be likely to bill the driver for the administration
> of dealing with the court?

ITYF you explicitly agreed to the hire company taking the fine & costs 
off your plastic.
date: 2 Nov 2009 13:05:12 GMT   author:   Adrian

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Adrian  wrote:

> ITYF you explicitly agreed to the hire company taking the fine & costs
> off your plastic.

Yup, and each time you sign a nice celrk explains that to you and points
to the relevant clause. So that you have no excuses at all.
date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:31:48 +0000   author:   %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Hiram wrote:
> What happens if, an EU national with a hire car trips a speed camera.
>
> Presumably nothing legally?
>
> But surely the hire company will get the ticket as the keeper of the
> vehicle - would they be likely to bill the driver for the
> administration of dealing with the court?

Three years ago I was on a California tour and, when driving over the Golden 
Gate Bridge into San Francisco, realised that I was in a lane for a 
'Fastrak' only booth. There are no advanced warnings of which lane to get 
into (and 'driving' over the bridge again in Google Earth Street View 
confirms that). It was morning rush-hour and traffic was nose-to-tail all 
the way up to the booths. The Fastrak only lanes (which I was in) were 
moving quite fast, whereas the pay booth lanes were stationary. There was no 
way I could get across into a pay lane without causing chaos, and had little 
choice but to drive on through the Fastrak booth. Not having a transponder, 
a photo was taken of the rear of the Cadillac I was driving. A month after I 
got home I got a letter from Alamo advising me that they had deducted the 
fine from my credit card ($30 if my memory serves me correctly).

Kev
date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:30:56 -0000   author:   Ret. xxx

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Ret. wrote:
A month after I got home I got a letter from
> Alamo advising me that they had deducted the fine from my credit card 
> ($30 if my memory serves me correctly).
> 

Compare and contrast with the fine if caught driving on the London 
Chiswick M4 bus lane.

-- 
Adrian C
date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:41:02 +0000   author:   Adrian C lid

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Ret. wrote:

> 
> Three years ago I was on a California tour and, when driving over the 
> Golden Gate Bridge into San Francisco, 

Interesting.

Its free to drive over the Golden Gate Bridge the other direction isn't 
it.  I did it a couple of years ago.

Actually I found this article a second ago.  Which seems to indicate 
that drivers from the EU would have to pay like we would if we did the 
same in their country.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1216665/Holidaymakers-pay-EU-speeding-fines-home-UK.html
date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:41:02 +0000   author:   Hiram

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Adrian C wrote:
> Ret. wrote:
> A month after I got home I got a letter from
>> Alamo advising me that they had deducted the fine from my credit card
>> ($30 if my memory serves me correctly).
>> 
> 
> Compare and contrast with the fine if caught driving on the London
> Chiswick M4 bus lane.

Which is?

Kev
date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:43:13 -0000   author:   Ret. xxx

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Hiram wrote:
> Ret. wrote:
> 
>>
>> Three years ago I was on a California tour and, when driving over the 
>> Golden Gate Bridge into San Francisco, 
> 
> Interesting.
> 
> Its free to drive over the Golden Gate Bridge the other direction isn't 
> it.  I did it a couple of years ago.
> 
> Actually I found this article a second ago.  Which seems to indicate 
> that drivers from the EU would have to pay like we would if we did the 
> same in their country.
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1216665/Holidaymakers-pay-EU-speeding-fines-home-UK.html 
> 
Digressing; an interesting footnote at the bottom 
of that page:

A spokesman for the Association of British 
Drivers, Brian Gregory, told TravelMail: “This is 
part of the continuing jihad against drivers. The 
legislation doesn’t address the problem. Speed 
isn’t the problem, it’s bad driving.

“Speeding fines are a cash cow for the government. 
They’re just another way of squeezing money out of 
motorists. We’re interested in seeing road safety 
improved not just bolstering the Chancellor’s 
coffers.”

Bod
date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:47:50 +0000   author:   Bod

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Ret. wrote:
> Adrian C wrote:
>> Ret. wrote:
>> A month after I got home I got a letter from
>>> Alamo advising me that they had deducted the fine from my credit card
>>> ($30 if my memory serves me correctly).
>>>
>>
>> Compare and contrast with the fine if caught driving on the London
>> Chiswick M4 bus lane.
> 
> Which is?
> 
> Kev

I've heard it's £120 Kev, (not 100% sure though).

Bod
date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:20:27 +0000   author:   Bod

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Bod wrote:
> Ret. wrote:
>> Adrian C wrote:
>>> Ret. wrote:
>>> A month after I got home I got a letter from
>>>> Alamo advising me that they had deducted the fine from my credit
>>>> card ($30 if my memory serves me correctly).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Compare and contrast with the fine if caught driving on the London
>>> Chiswick M4 bus lane.
>>
>> Which is?
>>
>> Kev
>
> I've heard it's £120 Kev, (not 100% sure though).

Bloody hell!

Kev
date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:46:20 -0000   author:   Ret. xxx

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Ret. wrote:
> Bod wrote:
>> Ret. wrote:
>>> Adrian C wrote:
>>>> Ret. wrote:
>>>> A month after I got home I got a letter from
>>>>> Alamo advising me that they had deducted the fine from my credit
>>>>> card ($30 if my memory serves me correctly).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Compare and contrast with the fine if caught driving on the London
>>>> Chiswick M4 bus lane.
>>>
>>> Which is?
>>>
>>> Kev
>>
>> I've heard it's £120 Kev, (not 100% sure though).
> 
> Bloody hell!
> 
> Kev

Kev,it is 120 smackers, second paragraph down:

http://www.buslanes.com/

Bod
date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:17:47 +0000   author:   Bod

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Bod wrote:
> Ret. wrote:
>> Bod wrote:
>>> Ret. wrote:
>>>> Adrian C wrote:
>>>>> Ret. wrote:
>>>>> A month after I got home I got a letter from
>>>>>> Alamo advising me that they had deducted the fine from my credit
>>>>>> card ($30 if my memory serves me correctly).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Compare and contrast with the fine if caught driving on the London
>>>>> Chiswick M4 bus lane.
>>>>
>>>> Which is?
>>>>
>>>> Kev
>>>
>>> I've heard it's £120 Kev, (not 100% sure though).
>>
>> Bloody hell!
>>
>> Kev
>
> Kev,it is 120 smackers, second paragraph down:
>
> http://www.buslanes.com/

That makes me feel better about my $30 fine on the Golden Gate Bridge!

Kev
date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:47:02 -0000   author:   Ret. xxx

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
celrk?
Dutch?
Drunk!

kjkjksndndn  TfL jnkjnsnsn;n
"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:1j8k2vv.judwdg1g94macN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Adrian  wrote:
>
>> ITYF you explicitly agreed to the hire company taking the fine & costs
>> off your plastic.
>
> Yup, and each time you sign a nice celrk explains that to you and points
> to the relevant clause. So that you have no excuses at all.
date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:43:58 -0000   author:   Ttoommy

Re: EU national, speed cam?   
Ttoommy  wrote:

> Drunk!

At this time in the morning? Did you find the meths under the sink again
Toomy?
date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:21:34 +0000   author:   %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

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