Mike P  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

> On 16 Oct, 11:45, Adrian  wrote:
>> ChelseaTractorMan  gurgled happily,
>> sounding much like they were saying:

>> >>> No, I'm saying "Driving at a safe speed for the conditions is by
>> >>> definition safe" is a meaningless statement.

>> >>It is?  What is your definition of a safe speed?

>> > that's the point, you are self defining safe.

>> Is the speed limit ALWAYS safe, on ANY given road, in ANY weather or
>> traffic conditions?

> No, of course not, but then that's an aside to the main point of the
> ongoing banter.

I have no beef with Ray on this. I'm trying to figure out what CTM is on 
about.