On Nov 6, 8:26 am, dgk  wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:33:36 -0600, "Edward Dolan" 
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> >"Bill Baka"  wrote in message
> >news:hctlr8$g7v$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> Edward Dolan wrote:
> >[...]
> >>> Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on
> >>> Islamic extremism.
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> >> You are a flipping fruitcake if you buy into that. I'm losing any respect
> >> for you on this Republican rant.
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> >> We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to
> >>> make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is
> >>> what happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency.
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> >> Enough bullshit, Ed. Kennedy was only 43 when he got elected and he did OK
> >> until Dallas. It was either a CIA motivated solution to him and Marilyn
> >> Monroe or a well oiled job set up by LBJ, the one president I really
> >> hated, party not withstanding.
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> >JFK, just like Obama, was too young and inexperienced to be president. He
> >essentially bungled our relations with the Soviet Union and handled the
> >Cuban invasion like an idiot. He should have supported the exiles with air
> >power which would have made all the difference. He also got us into Vietnam
> >with no idea of how to win the war. People in their 40s, at least in this
> >country, are still babies. You have to be at least in your 50s in order to
> >have any sense. In fact, I like our presidents to be in their 60s.
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> Before the Bay of Pigs, Russia was faced with Cuba being continuously
> attacked by the US, and our nuclear missles were on their border. So
> they moved missles into Cuba. After the resulting hysteria, we
> promised to stop sending terrorists into Cuba, and took our missles
> off Russia's border. You would have done what differently? Started a
> nuclear war? That's a very likely outcome if we had sent planes into
> Cuba.
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> Perhaps Castro was not the best leader for Cuba, but since we were
> responsible for Batista, that sort of nullfies our moral capital in
> the matter. Just like being responsible for the Shah undermines any
> moral objection we may have for Iran's current government.
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> I believe JFK was killed to prevent him from withdrawing from Vietnam.
> We did, of course, start the whole war to PREVENT free unifying
> elections from taking place as required by the 1954 Geneva Convention.
> We, of course, being so dedicated to democracy, refused to sign those
> accords because they promised free elections. Ho Chi Minh would have
> won overwhelmingly.

Not only that, but upon assuming power, Castro asked the US for
support and to trade. The US wanted Castro to return the Casinos,
Sugar and tobacco plantations, etc to the the corporations. Since
Castro said no, the US started an anti-Cuban campaign and to try to
undermine Castro's government and supported counterrevolutionary
activity. Castro was forced to ally himself with the Soviet Union. The
same happened in Vietnam. When the Vietnamese expelled the French,
they established a constitution based on the American one. And they
sought alliance with the US. Since the US wanted to inherit France's
colonial control over Vietnam, they opposed the government and
established an opposing government in Saigon. They had little support
from the Vietnamese people and caused a huge mess, murdered tons of
people and eventually left, but continued a cold war for decades
after.