"A grandmother has been jailed for 13 years for smuggling £1 million worth 
of cocaine into the UK in her mobility vehicle. Judge Adele Williams said 
Ambrozine Heron, 77, was a "willing participant" in the crime"

Can I just ask, wouldn't she be better off appealing and having the sentence 
reduced to life imprisonment?

GB wrote:
> "A grandmother has been jailed for 13 years for smuggling £1 million
> worth of cocaine into the UK in her mobility vehicle. Judge Adele
> Williams said Ambrozine Heron, 77, was a "willing participant" in the
> crime"
>
> Can I just ask, wouldn't she be better off appealing and having the
> sentence reduced to life imprisonment?

I must suggest it my grandparents, be cheaper than a nursing home?  Might 
even get more visitors!

Does anyone recall a chap in the US committing a robbery so he could be sent 
to jail for long enough to get his pension?

On Oct 6, 7:00 pm, "GB"  wrote:
> "A grandmother has been jailed for 13 years for smuggling £1 million worth
> of cocaine into the UK in her mobility vehicle. Judge Adele Williams said
> Ambrozine Heron, 77, was a "willing participant" in the crime"
>
> Can I just ask, wouldn't she be better off appealing and having the sentence
> reduced to life imprisonment?

No.  According to http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_population/Interim_Life/ILTUK0406Reg.xls
a 77 year old woman had a 10 year life expectancy in 2004-6 (and it's
probably got better).

A 13 year jail term suggests 6.5 years in jail before release on
parole (assuming no early release for overcrowding).  She has a much
better than 50/50 chance of being released.

(The above is simplistic, in that it doesn't allow for poorer life
expectancy in jail.)

The main point of course is that that anybody has a better than zero
chance of surviving 13 years, so a 13 year jail term is always better
than a life sentence with a whole-life tarif.  (Obviously of course, a
life sentence with a one year tarif would probably be better still for
the woman, but that is hardly likely.)

GB wrote:
> "A grandmother has been jailed for 13 years for smuggling £1 million worth 
> of cocaine into the UK in her mobility vehicle. Judge Adele Williams said 
> Ambrozine Heron, 77, was a "willing participant" in the crime"
> 
> Can I just ask, wouldn't she be better off appealing and having the sentence 
> reduced to life imprisonment?
> 
IIUC, the usual routine is that she will arrive at prison and be 
medically assessed. At which point the prison will determine that it 
doesn't have suitable facilities.

A few weeks in the hospital ward then back home on a tag.

--
Sue

On 6 Oct, 21:40, Martin Bonner  wrote:
> On Oct 6, 7:00 pm, "GB"  wrote:
>
> > "A grandmother has been jailed for 13 years for smuggling £1 million worth
> > of cocaine into the UK in her mobility vehicle. Judge Adele Williams said
> > Ambrozine Heron, 77, was a "willing participant" in the crime"
>
> > Can I just ask, wouldn't she be better off appealing and having the sentence
> > reduced to life imprisonment?
>
> No.  According tohttp://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_population/Interim_Life/...
> a 77 year old woman had a 10 year life expectancy in 2004-6 (and it's
> probably got better).
>
> A 13 year jail term suggests 6.5 years in jail before release on
> parole (assuming no early release for overcrowding).  She has a much
> better than 50/50 chance of being released.
>
> (The above is simplistic, in that it doesn't allow for poorer life
> expectancy in jail.)
>
> The main point of course is that that anybody has a better than zero
> chance of surviving 13 years, so a 13 year jail term is always better
> than a life sentence with a whole-life tarif.  (Obviously of course, a
> life sentence with a one year tarif would probably be better still for
> the woman, but that is hardly likely.)

Excellent argumentation Martin.  I can't help feeling we are all
missing the point!  I wonder if she had previous?

"Fred"  wrote in message 
news:48ea634e$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> GB wrote:
>> "A grandmother has been jailed for 13 years for smuggling £1 million
>> worth of cocaine into the UK in her mobility vehicle. Judge Adele
>> Williams said Ambrozine Heron, 77, was a "willing participant" in the
>> crime"
>>
>> Can I just ask, wouldn't she be better off appealing and having the
>> sentence reduced to life imprisonment?
>
> I must suggest it my grandparents, be cheaper than a nursing home?  Might
> even get more visitors!
>
> Does anyone recall a chap in the US committing a robbery so he could be 
> sent
> to jail for long enough to get his pension?
>
>old and tasteless legal joke

70-year old habitual criminal is before the court yet again for some fairly 
serious offence.

Judge sentences him to 14 years.

Defendant says '14 years?! at my time of life I can't do 14 years!'

Judge replies 'well, just do as much as you can.'



Andrew McGee

archytas  wrote in
news:8be56c5d-1387-44d1-8756-7efd681bd5ab@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
: 
 
> Excellent argumentation Martin.  I can't help feeling we are all
> missing the point!  I wonder if she had previous?
> 
> 
She has the unfortunate previous form of being born in Jamaica, which 
is usually a grave disadvantage when in comes to sentencing, despite 
the absurd complaints of the fascists that white men are discriminated 
against.


-- 
Percy Picacity

On Mon,  6 Oct 2008 19:15:07 +0100, Palindrome 
wrote:

>GB wrote:
>> "A grandmother has been jailed for 13 years for smuggling £1 million worth 
>> of cocaine into the UK in her mobility vehicle. Judge Adele Williams said 
>> Ambrozine Heron, 77, was a "willing participant" in the crime"
>> 
>> Can I just ask, wouldn't she be better off appealing and having the sentence 
>> reduced to life imprisonment?
>> 
>IIUC, the usual routine is that she will arrive at prison and be 
>medically assessed. At which point the prison will determine that it 
>doesn't have suitable facilities.
>
>A few weeks in the hospital ward then back home on a tag.

Initally she'll have gone to Holloway or Bronzefield for assessment
then she'll be transferred to another prison.  I don't have a list of
female establishments to hand but there will probably be one with
facilities for elderly prisoners.

If she was he it owuld have been HMP Wymott which is dedicated to
older prisoners.

Nigel
replace SPAMHATER with n and t*sc*li with totalise

Andrew McGee wrote:
> 
> "Fred"  wrote in message 
> news:48ea634e$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> GB wrote:
>>> "A grandmother has been jailed for 13 years for smuggling £1 million
>>> worth of cocaine into the UK in her mobility vehicle. Judge Adele
>>> Williams said Ambrozine Heron, 77, was a "willing participant" in the
>>> crime"
>>>
>>> Can I just ask, wouldn't she be better off appealing and having the
>>> sentence reduced to life imprisonment?
>>
>> I must suggest it my grandparents, be cheaper than a nursing home?  Might
>> even get more visitors!
>>
>> Does anyone recall a chap in the US committing a robbery so he could 
>> be sent
>> to jail for long enough to get his pension?
>>
>> old and tasteless legal joke
> 
> 70-year old habitual criminal is before the court yet again for some 
> fairly serious offence.
> 
> Judge sentences him to 14 years.
> 
> Defendant says '14 years?! at my time of life I can't do 14 years!'
> 
> Judge replies 'well, just do as much as you can.'
> 
> 
lol

>

On Tue,  7 Oct 2008 18:15:07 +0100, Percy Picacity <key@under.the.invalid>
wrote:

> archytas  wrote in
> news:8be56c5d-1387-44d1-8756-7efd681bd5ab@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
> : 
>
>> Excellent argumentation Martin.  I can't help feeling we are all
>> missing the point!  I wonder if she had previous?
>>
>>
> She has the unfortunate previous form of being born in Jamaica, which 
> is usually a grave disadvantage when in comes to sentencing, despite 
> the absurd complaints of the fascists that white men are discriminated 
> against.

Yup, it could have been be pure prejudice and the facts that she plead
guilty to importing 16kg of cocaine and had made 14 previous one-day trips
to Holland during the previous year were never even considered relevant.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/7655206.stm

Tony

Andrew McGee wrote:
>
> 70-year old habitual criminal is before the court yet again for some
> fairly serious offence.
>
> Judge sentences him to 14 years.
>
> Defendant says '14 years?! at my time of life I can't do 14 years!'
>
> Judge replies 'well, just do as much as you can.'
>

I have just heard that one of my neighbours, who is in his early 80's, has 
just lost his father, who was well over 100.

GB wrote:
> 
> I have just heard that one of my neighbours, who is in his early
> 80's, has just lost his father, who was well over 100.

Which prison was he in?
-- 
John Briggs