Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.

Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
no more than about five.

Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
made more sense.

Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.

Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
be disappearing.

But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
being wicked.

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:03:02 -0800, allanbonnetracy wrote:

> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
> 
> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted no
> more than about five.
> 
> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
> made more sense.
> 
> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
> 
> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to be
> disappearing.
> 
> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
> being wicked.

well, they guy fawkes thing rings of patsy to me... well willing patsy 
like winston smith... i.e. a trap that suits their purpose....

and fireworks better at organised/approved event as well.

(that is anyone can have one, just British fireworks and registered event)

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:06:27 +0000, FrereTuck wrote:

>  British fireworks

that is british 'standard' fireworks...

if you set off a banger, it goes off at 105.3 db...

and if you tie 3 together you get how many db? ;)

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:06:27 GMT, FrereTuck  wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:03:02 -0800, allanbonnetracy wrote:
>
>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>> 
>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted no
>> more than about five.
>> 
>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>> made more sense.
>> 
>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>> 
>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to be
>> disappearing.
>> 
>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
>> being wicked.
>
>well, they guy fawkes thing rings of patsy to me... well willing patsy 
>like winston smith... i.e. a trap that suits their purpose....
>
>and fireworks better at organised/approved event as well.
>
>(that is anyone can have one, just British fireworks and registered event)

are you suggesting that a licence is required to blow up parliament?

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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:12:28 +0100, abelard wrote:

> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:06:27 GMT, FrereTuck  wrote:
> 
>>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:03:02 -0800, allanbonnetracy wrote:
>>
>>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>>> 
>>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
>>> no more than about five.
>>> 
>>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>>> made more sense.
>>> 
>>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>>> 
>>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>>> be disappearing.
>>> 
>>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global 
Warming
>>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or 
you’re
>>> being wicked.
>>
>>well, they guy fawkes thing rings of patsy to me... well willing patsy
>>like winston smith... i.e. a trap that suits their purpose....
>>
>>and fireworks better at organised/approved event as well.
>>
>>(that is anyone can have one, just British fireworks and registered
>>event)
> 
> are you suggesting that a licence is required to blow up parliament?

certainly... in triplicate...

"allanbonnetracy"  wrote in message 
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>Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>be disappearing.

You should be glad given that the tradition is all about celebrating a 
failure to blow up the Houses of Parliament. Surely we should be celebrate 
the ploy's success!
Cheers
Jeff

"allanbonnetracy"  wrote in message 
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This post is OT for UMTM. Please mark off-topic posts as such. Many thanks.

Ian

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:34:07 -0000, "Ian F."
 wrote:

>"allanbonnetracy"  wrote in message 
>news:6df90876-983e-4268-a91e-7ea6bd69a3ce@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
>This post is OT for UMTM. Please mark off-topic posts as such. Many thanks.

(bastards...)

what do you think would happen if guy fawkes had tried
    to blow up a tv station instead?

(i hope you now feel more involved)

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In article , FrereTuck
 writes
>> are you suggesting that a licence is required to blow up parliament?
>
>certainly... in triplicate...

And a risk assessment, didn't the Elfin Safe Tea lot once say carrying
petrol and explosives in the same vehicle was very, very dangerous, mind
you it was a tank.

Mike

-- 
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Kirkheaton              We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.    
Yorkshire                                       Halvard Lange

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:04:43 GMT, FrereTuck  wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:37:16 +0100, abelard wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:34:07 -0000, "Ian F."
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>"allanbonnetracy"  wrote in message
>>>news:6df90876-983e-4268-a91e-7ea6bd69a3ce@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>This post is OT for UMTM. Please mark off-topic posts as such. Many
>>>thanks.
>> 
>> (bastards...)
>> 
>> what do you think would happen if guy fawkes had tried
>>     to blow up a tv station instead?
>>
>
>didnt the yanks do that already? or was it the RAF? sure the IAF have 
>done it already...

you're probably referring to serbia....

do you think we're on topic now

>> (i hope you now feel more involved)

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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:05:11 -0000, "The Todal" 
wrote:

>allanbonnetracy wrote:
>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>>
>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
>> no more than about five.
>>
>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>> made more sense.
>>
>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>>
>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>> be disappearing.
>>
>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
>> being wicked.
>
>Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the irrelevant 
>history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the Eighth and his Six 
>Wives - 

it's part of wimmin's studies



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On 7 Nov, 19:03, allanbonnetracy  wrote:
> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>
> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
> no more than about five.
>
> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
> made more sense.
>
> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>
> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
> be disappearing.

Disappearing? There's fireworks going off aplenty round here!

allanbonnetracy wrote:
> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
> 
> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
> no more than about five.
> 
> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
> made more sense.
> 
> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
> 
> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
> be disappearing.
> 
> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
> being wicked.


Well there has been less fireworks tonight but it still seems as
though assholes are pushing them through letterboxes, clearly
the yobbos should be banned from having them as all they are is
minny terrorists.


So some folk go bang bang making a stinking racket.

How about is some idiot did that every night, you'd want them seen to.

Well why should the many put up with the 'music' racket of the few.
be put upon with other peoples noise.

I look forward to the day when they're banned.

Blue wrote:
> allanbonnetracy wrote:
>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>>
>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
>> no more than about five.
>>
>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>> made more sense.
>>
>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>>
>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>> be disappearing.
>>
>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
>> being wicked.
> 
> 
> Well there has been less fireworks tonight

I mean they weren't as many during the week

Blue wrote:
> allanbonnetracy wrote:
>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>>
>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
>> no more than about five.
>>
>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>> made more sense.
>>
>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>>
>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>> be disappearing.
>>
>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
>> being wicked.
> 
> 
> Well there has been less fireworks tonight but it still seems as
> though assholes are pushing them through letterboxes, clearly
> the yobbos should be banned from having them as all they are is
> minny terrorists.
> 
> 
> So some folk go bang bang making a stinking racket.
> 
> How about is some idiot did that every night, you'd want them seen to.
> 
> Well why should the many put up with the 'music' racket of the few.
> be put upon with other peoples noise.
> 
> I look forward to the day when they're banned.

bah! Humbug!

Mike Swift wrote:

> 
> And a risk assessment, didn't the Elfin Safe Tea lot once say carrying
> petrol and explosives in the same vehicle was very, very dangerous, mind
> you it was a tank.

It is very very dangerous.

The people who design them spend lots of time trying to stop big bangs 
inside them.

And don't power them with petrol...

That's because fuck-wits sometimes make nasty remarks about how unsafe 
military vehicles are...

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:03:02 -0800 (PST), allanbonnetracy
 wrote:

>Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>
>Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
>no more than about five.
>
>Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>made more sense.
>
>Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>
>Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>be disappearing.
>
>But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
>and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
>being wicked.

You are mad.

On 7 Nov, 19:03, allanbonnetracy  wrote:
> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>
> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
> no more than about five.
>

Well I can assure you that up this way that not only is Mr. Fawkes
alive and well, he's here with a vengance. The bangers are so loud
that I literally feel the buildings shake (no exageration). There's so
many bangers and fireworks it's like being in Afghanistan. Bonfire
Night won't die out here for sure.

McKevvy

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:37:16 +0100, abelard wrote:

> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:34:07 -0000, "Ian F."
>  wrote:
> 
>>"allanbonnetracy"  wrote in message
>>news:6df90876-983e-4268-a91e-7ea6bd69a3ce@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>This post is OT for UMTM. Please mark off-topic posts as such. Many
>>thanks.
> 
> (bastards...)
> 
> what do you think would happen if guy fawkes had tried
>     to blow up a tv station instead?
>

didnt the yanks do that already? or was it the RAF? sure the IAF have 
done it already...
 
> (i hope you now feel more involved)

allanbonnetracy wrote:
> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>
> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
> no more than about five.
>
> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
> made more sense.
>
> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>
> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
> be disappearing.
>
> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
> being wicked.

Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the irrelevant 
history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the Eighth and his Six 
Wives - why the fuck is that relevant to the history of this country or the 
fate of our people?  Guy Fawkes, a tiny footnote in history, a conspiracy to 
blow up Parliament that nowadays would win huge approval from a grateful 
nation, except that nobody would now think it worthwhile doing in the name 
of Catholicism.  Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, Trafalgar, Waterloo, all 
battles that are totally irrelevant and should be ignored by all except 
academics.

Guy Fawkes day was designed to be our equivalent of the Orangemen marches of 
Northern Ireland, an opportunity to celebrate Protestantism and send a 
message to the  Catholics that they were defeated and must stay that way, or 
get their heads kicked in. So it's high time we abandoned Guy Fawkes day.

The Americans have something to celebrate with fireworks - their 
independence from tyranny. Our tyranny, in case you'd forgotten. Maybe we 
should let off fireworks on the 4th July to celebrate their departure. 
What else could we celebrate with a real sense of having accomplished 
something useful? Maybe the D-day landings.  But it's probably a British 
tradition that we cling to feebleminded British traditions rather than 
create anything new.

DVDfever wrote:

> On 7 Nov, 19:03, allanbonnetracy  wrote:
> > Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is
> > now third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
> > 
> > Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks
> > counted no more than about five.
> > 
> > Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend
> > probably made more sense.
> > 
> > Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
> > 
> > Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem
> > to be disappearing.
> 
> Disappearing? There's fireworks going off aplenty round here!

Here too.

MC

"abelard"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:04:43 GMT, FrereTuck  wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:37:16 +0100, abelard wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:34:07 -0000, "Ian F."
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>"allanbonnetracy"  wrote in message
>>>>news:6df90876-983e-4268-a91e-7ea6bd69a3ce@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>This post is OT for UMTM. Please mark off-topic posts as such. Many
>>>>thanks.
>>>
>>> (bastards...)
>>>
>>> what do you think would happen if guy fawkes had tried
>>>     to blow up a tv station instead?
>>>
>>
>>didnt the yanks do that already? or was it the RAF? sure the IAF have
>>done it already...
>
> you're probably referring to serbia....

I saw that on TV.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:42:07 -0000, "DVH"  wrote:

>
>"abelard"  wrote in message 
>news:m6lbf51upv9vsv9hgd8tkvr9fu4f3804sg@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:04:43 GMT, FrereTuck  wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:37:16 +0100, abelard wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:34:07 -0000, "Ian F."
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"allanbonnetracy"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:6df90876-983e-4268-a91e-7ea6bd69a3ce@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>This post is OT for UMTM. Please mark off-topic posts as such. Many
>>>>>thanks.
>>>>
>>>> (bastards...)
>>>>
>>>> what do you think would happen if guy fawkes had tried
>>>>     to blow up a tv station instead?
>>>>
>>>
>>>didnt the yanks do that already? or was it the RAF? sure the IAF have
>>>done it already...
>>
>> you're probably referring to serbia....
>
>I saw that on TV. 

i knew a guy who had a tv

regards

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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:06:57 +0000, Mike Swift 
wrote:

>In article , FrereTuck
> writes
>>> are you suggesting that a licence is required to blow up parliament?
>>
>>certainly... in triplicate...
>
>And a risk assessment, didn't the Elfin Safe Tea lot once say carrying
>petrol and explosives in the same vehicle was very, very dangerous, mind
>you it was a tank.

did they show it on tv

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The Todal wrote:

> Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the irrelevant 
> history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the Eighth and his Six 
> Wives - why the fuck is that relevant to the history of this country or the 
> fate of our people? 

"Dad,  dad,  why are there two churches on that street corner and why 
does Lisa go to a different church from us?"

  Guy Fawkes, a tiny footnote in history, a conspiracy to
> blow up Parliament that nowadays would win huge approval from a grateful 
> nation, except that nobody would now think it worthwhile doing in the name 
> of Catholicism.  Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, Trafalgar, Waterloo, all 
> battles that are totally irrelevant and should be ignored by all except 
> academics.

Too complicated to go into.

But something on the British National Legend probably wouldn't have gone 
amiss...

But it's late on a Saturday evening and I just can't be bothered.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

"allanbonnetracy"  wrote in message 
news:6df90876-983e-4268-a91e-7ea6bd69a3ce@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>
> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
> no more than about five.

> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
> made more sense.
>
> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>
> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
> be disappearing.
>
> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
> being wicked.

Where are you FFS? There've been masses of them round here (Manchester), 
non-stop for a week, including the usual impressive display at Heaton Park, 
the air is still thick with the smell of bonfires. It's geting like 
Christmas - starts earlier and earlier each year.

--
Andy

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 23:57:05 +0100, "Lou Ravi"
 wrote:

>abelard wrote:
>
>> what do you think would happen if guy fawkes had tried
>>    to blow up a tv station instead?
>
>We'd realise that time travel had been invented yonks ago?

you're off topic

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allanbonnetracy wrote:
> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
> 
> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
> no more than about five.
> 
> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
> made more sense.
> 
> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
> 
> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
> be disappearing.
> 
> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
> being wicked.

Kids don't want to celebrate something they can't involved in. They can 
buy masks, outfits and pumpkins. They can't buy fireworks so they are 
hardly likely to be interested.

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:12:28 +0100, abelard  wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:06:27 GMT, FrereTuck  wrote:

>>(that is anyone can have one, just British fireworks and registered event)
>
>are you suggesting that a licence is required to blow up parliament?

That might explain the enormous queue at the post office :-)

Mike
--
http://www.corestore.org
'As I walk along these shores
I am the history within'

abelard wrote:

> what do you think would happen if guy fawkes had tried
>    to blow up a tv station instead?

We'd realise that time travel had been invented yonks ago?

martin wrote:
> Blue wrote:

>> Well there has been less fireworks tonight but it still seems as
>> though assholes are pushing them through letterboxes, clearly
>> the yobbos should be banned from having them as all they are is
>> minny terrorists.
>>
>>
>> So some folk go bang bang making a stinking racket.
>>
>> How about is some idiot did that every night, you'd want them seen to.
>>
>> Well why should the many put up with the 'music' racket of the few.
>> be put upon with other peoples noise.
>>
>> I look forward to the day when they're banned.
> 
> bah! Humbug!


We don't allow adult with guns but for a fortnight we let
yobs and wanna be terrorists run around our streets with bombs.

We can't trust people not to hand these bombs over to kids
and they get them and they go and maime and kill people.


On the sound side. If everyone turned up their TVs to play this
banging noise all night, all fortnight, a hell of a lot of people
would be disturbed and in need of treatment.

So why should the few be allowed to make a noisey grief for the many.


What on earth are they celebrating any how, they don't know.

William Black wrote:
> The Todal wrote:
> 
>> Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the 
>> irrelevant history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the 
>> Eighth and his Six Wives - why the fuck is that relevant to the 
>> history of this country or the fate of our people? 
> 
> "Dad,  dad,  why are there two churches on that street corner and why 
> does Lisa go to a different church from us?"
> 
>  Guy Fawkes, a tiny footnote in history, a conspiracy to
>> blow up Parliament that nowadays would win huge approval from a 
>> grateful nation, except that nobody would now think it worthwhile 
>> doing in the name of Catholicism.  Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, 
>> Trafalgar, Waterloo, all battles that are totally irrelevant and 
>> should be ignored by all except academics.
> 
> Too complicated to go into.
> 
> But something on the British National Legend probably wouldn't have gone 
> amiss...


Do you celebrate the IRA ?

FrereTuck  wrote in news:pan.2009.11.07.19.11.54
@invalid.com:

> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:06:27 +0000, FrereTuck wrote:
> 
>>  British fireworks
> 
> that is british 'standard' fireworks...
> 
> if you set off a banger, it goes off at 105.3 db...
> 
> and if you tie 3 together you get how many db? ;)

110.1dB

In message , at 23:18:21 on Sat, 7 
Nov 2009, Robbie  remarked:
>Kids don't want to celebrate something they can't involved in. They can 
>buy masks, outfits and pumpkins. They can't buy fireworks so they are 
>hardly likely to be interested.

And there are too many firework displays at other times of year, so it's 
no longer such a novelty.

Nottingham City had a big free display on the 5th (good for them, not 
waiting until the weekend like the several nearby 'charity' events - the 
charity ones are fine at the weekend, but there needs to something on 
the 5th).

However they had another big free display on the riverside as recently 
as August.

Bonfires make the event special, but these days if the elfin safety 
people don't get you, then vandals will (one of the charity bonfires was 
torched a week early).
-- 
Roland Perry

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:hd4tn5$eqt$13@news.eternal-september.org...
> The Todal wrote:
>
>> Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the 
>> irrelevant history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the 
>> Eighth and his Six Wives - why the fuck is that relevant to the history 
>> of this country or the fate of our people?
>
> "Dad,  dad,  why are there two churches on that street corner and why does 
> Lisa go to a different church from us?"

Well, Bart - Lisa is black and her family are Episcopalian.  Auntie Rita is 
a Baptist and Uncle Gordon is a Methodist. All of these religions will 
guarantee you a place in heaven, if you believe in that sort of nonsense, so 
you don't really need to know why there are so many different churches and 
chapels and ways of worshipping God. You do probably need to know that many 
years ago England was a Catholic country and you could be burned at the 
stake if you didn't worship God in quite the right way. A chap called Bishop 
Latimer once said, as he was about to be burned at the stake, "be of good 
comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man. We shall this day light such a 
candle, by God's grace, in England, as I trust will never be put out!". 
Fortunately, Bart, nowadays most sensible people know that there is no God 
and that the Virgin Mary can't grant you any wishes if you pray to her. Do 
you think that candle has been put out, Bart?

>
>  Guy Fawkes, a tiny footnote in history, a conspiracy to
>> blow up Parliament that nowadays would win huge approval from a grateful 
>> nation, except that nobody would now think it worthwhile doing in the 
>> name of Catholicism.  Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, Trafalgar, Waterloo, 
>> all battles that are totally irrelevant and should be ignored by all 
>> except academics.
>
> Too complicated to go into.

Surely "too irrelevant".

Victories that seemed glorious and memorable in the past, are actually minor 
blips on the radar. Go to any country and you will find schoolbooks 
celebrating battles and wars that we've never heard of.

>
> But something on the British National Legend probably wouldn't have gone 
> amiss...
>
> But it's late on a Saturday evening and I just can't be bothered.

Modern children should not embrace any national legend.

Blue wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> The Todal wrote:
>>
>>> Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the 
>>> irrelevant history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the 
>>> Eighth and his Six Wives - why the fuck is that relevant to the 
>>> history of this country or the fate of our people? 
>>
>> "Dad,  dad,  why are there two churches on that street corner and why 
>> does Lisa go to a different church from us?"
>>
>>  Guy Fawkes, a tiny footnote in history, a conspiracy to
>>> blow up Parliament that nowadays would win huge approval from a 
>>> grateful nation, except that nobody would now think it worthwhile 
>>> doing in the name of Catholicism.  Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, 
>>> Trafalgar, Waterloo, all battles that are totally irrelevant and 
>>> should be ignored by all except academics.
>>
>> Too complicated to go into.
>>
>> But something on the British National Legend probably wouldn't have 
>> gone amiss...
> 
> 
> Do you celebrate the IRA ?

Why on earth would I?


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

The Todal wrote:
> "William Black"  wrote in message 
> news:hd4tn5$eqt$13@news.eternal-september.org...
>> The Todal wrote:
>>
>>> Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the 
>>> irrelevant history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the 
>>> Eighth and his Six Wives - why the fuck is that relevant to the history 
>>> of this country or the fate of our people?
>> "Dad,  dad,  why are there two churches on that street corner and why does 
>> Lisa go to a different church from us?"
> 
> Well, Bart - Lisa is black and her family are Episcopalian.  Auntie Rita is 
> a Baptist and Uncle Gordon is a Methodist. All of these religions will 
> guarantee you a place in heaven, if you believe in that sort of nonsense, so 
> you don't really need to know why there are so many different churches and 
> chapels and ways of worshipping God. You do probably need to know that many 
> years ago England was a Catholic country and you could be burned at the 
> stake if you didn't worship God in quite the right way. A chap called Bishop 
> Latimer once said, as he was about to be burned at the stake, "be of good 
> comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man. We shall this day light such a 
> candle, by God's grace, in England, as I trust will never be put out!". 
> Fortunately, Bart, nowadays most sensible people know that there is no God 
> and that the Virgin Mary can't grant you any wishes if you pray to her. Do 
> you think that candle has been put out, Bart?

So your kids get lied to,  why should everyone else's?

>>  Guy Fawkes, a tiny footnote in history, a conspiracy to
>>> blow up Parliament that nowadays would win huge approval from a grateful 
>>> nation, except that nobody would now think it worthwhile doing in the 
>>> name of Catholicism.  Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, Trafalgar, Waterloo, 
>>> all battles that are totally irrelevant and should be ignored by all 
>>> except academics.
>> Too complicated to go into.
> 
> Surely "too irrelevant".
> 
> Victories that seemed glorious and memorable in the past, are actually minor 
> blips on the radar. Go to any country and you will find schoolbooks 
> celebrating battles and wars that we've never heard of.

Well,  you might not have heard of them...

>> But something on the British National Legend probably wouldn't have gone 
>> amiss...
>>
>> But it's late on a Saturday evening and I just can't be bothered.
> 
> Modern children should not embrace any national legend. 
> 

But they do.

I'd rater they knew more about it than what they can read in The Daily Hate.



-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On 7 Nov, 20:46, Blue  wrote:
> allanbonnetracy wrote:
> > Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> > third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>
> > Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
> > no more than about five.
>
> > Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
> > made more sense.
>
> > Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>
> > Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
> > be disappearing.
>
> > But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
> > Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
> > and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
> > being wicked.
>
> Well there has been less fireworks tonight but it still seems as
> though assholes are pushing them through letterboxes, clearly
> the yobbos should be banned from having them as all they are is
> minny terrorists.
>
> So some folk go bang bang making a stinking racket.
>
> How about is some idiot did that every night, you'd want them seen to.
>
> Well why should the many put up with the 'music' racket of the few.
> be put upon with other peoples noise.
>
> I look forward to the day when they're banned.

You miserable bastard. You must've enjoyed them as a kid.

On 7 Nov, 20:05, "The Todal"  wrote:
> allanbonnetracy wrote:
> > Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> > third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>
> > Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
> > no more than about five.
>
> > Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
> > made more sense.
>
> > Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>
> > Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
> > be disappearing.
>
> > But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
> > Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
> > and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
> > being wicked.
>
> Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the irrelevant
> history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the Eighth and his Six
> Wives - why the fuck is that relevant to the history of this country or the
> fate of our people?  Guy Fawkes, a tiny footnote in history, a conspiracy to
> blow up Parliament that nowadays would win huge approval from a grateful
> nation, except that nobody would now think it worthwhile doing in the name
> of Catholicism.  Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, Trafalgar, Waterloo, all
> battles that are totally irrelevant and should be ignored by all except
> academics.
>
> Guy Fawkes day was designed to be our equivalent of the Orangemen marches of
> Northern Ireland, an opportunity to celebrate Protestantism and send a
> message to the  Catholics that they were defeated and must stay that way, or
> get their heads kicked in. So it's high time we abandoned Guy Fawkes day.
>
> The Americans have something to celebrate with fireworks - their
> independence from tyranny. Our tyranny, in case you'd forgotten. Maybe we
> should let off fireworks on the 4th July to celebrate their departure.
> What else could we celebrate with a real sense of having accomplished
> something useful? Maybe the D-day landings.  But it's probably a British
> tradition that we cling to feebleminded British traditions rather than
> create anything new.

We now have Veterans Day I think.

On 8 Nov, 02:21, Blue  wrote:
> martin wrote:
> > Blue wrote:
> >> Well there has been less fireworks tonight but it still seems as
> >> though assholes are pushing them through letterboxes, clearly
> >> the yobbos should be banned from having them as all they are is
> >> minny terrorists.
>
> >> So some folk go bang bang making a stinking racket.
>
> >> How about is some idiot did that every night, you'd want them seen to.
>
> >> Well why should the many put up with the 'music' racket of the few.
> >> be put upon with other peoples noise.
>
> >> I look forward to the day when they're banned.
>
> > bah! Humbug!
>
> We don't allow adult with guns but for a fortnight we let
> yobs and wanna be terrorists run around our streets with bombs.
>
> We can't trust people not to hand these bombs over to kids
> and they get them and they go and maime and kill people.
>
> On the sound side. If everyone turned up their TVs to play this
> banging noise all night, all fortnight, a hell of a lot of people
> would be disturbed and in need of treatment.
>
> So why should the few be allowed to make a noisey grief for the many.
>
> What on earth are they celebrating any how, they don't know.

I remember as a teenager I got a length of hard plastic pipe - about
14" long and just the right internal diameter to slip a AA size
battery into. I taped one end off with a 1 penny stuck a banger down
the pipe and then a battery infront of it. Yes it went off like an
artillery gun. It was great fun and I got rid of all the dud batteries
from the house (16 if I remember correctly). It harmed no-one. I
didn'y point it at people or cars, nor did I point it at anyones
windows. That experiment taught me a few things about physics which
would certainly not have been taught in the school lab.

McKevvy

The Todal wrote:
> allanbonnetracy wrote:
>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>>
>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
>> no more than about five.
>>
>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>> made more sense.
>>
>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>>
>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>> be disappearing.
>>
>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
>> being wicked.
> 
> Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the irrelevant 
> history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the Eighth and his Six 
> Wives - why the fuck is that relevant to the history of this country or the 
> fate of our people?  Guy Fawkes, a tiny footnote in history, a conspiracy to 
> blow up Parliament that nowadays would win huge approval from a grateful 
> nation, except that nobody would now think it worthwhile doing in the name 
> of Catholicism.  Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, Trafalgar, Waterloo, all 
> battles that are totally irrelevant and should be ignored by all except 
> academics.
> 
> Guy Fawkes day was designed to be our equivalent of the Orangemen marches of 
> Northern Ireland, an opportunity to celebrate Protestantism and send a 
> message to the  Catholics that they were defeated and must stay that way, or 
> get their heads kicked in. So it's high time we abandoned Guy Fawkes day.
> 
> The Americans have something to celebrate with fireworks - their 
> independence from tyranny. Our tyranny, in case you'd forgotten. Maybe we 
> should let off fireworks on the 4th July to celebrate their departure. 
> What else could we celebrate with a real sense of having accomplished 
> something useful? Maybe the D-day landings.  But it's probably a British 
> tradition that we cling to feebleminded British traditions rather than 
> create anything new. 
> 
> 
Firework night for us is a little light relief, during an increasingly 
difficult daily struggle to keep our heads above water, scrubbing away 
on low pay and sky high bills, and living in a country where if the yobs 
don't get you, the police, government, social workers, council or health 
and safety will. For £2.50 a head, we get to spend 30 minutes in a very 
dangerous environment, listening to very louds bangs and a fab light and 
sound show, and then eat hot dogs on the way home. Please may it long 
carry on in case we all end up insane.

The Todal wrote:
> allanbonnetracy wrote:
>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>>
>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
>> no more than about five.
>>
>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>> made more sense.
>>
>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>>
>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>> be disappearing.
>>
>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
>> being wicked.
> 
> Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the irrelevant 
> history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the Eighth and his Six 
> Wives - why the fuck is that relevant to the history of this country or the 
> fate of our people?  Guy Fawkes, a tiny footnote in history, a conspiracy to 
> blow up Parliament that nowadays would win huge approval from a grateful 
> nation, except that nobody would now think it worthwhile doing in the name 
> of Catholicism.  Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, Trafalgar, Waterloo, all 
> battles that are totally irrelevant and should be ignored by all except 
> academics.
> 
> Guy Fawkes day was designed to be our equivalent of the Orangemen marches of 
> Northern Ireland, an opportunity to celebrate Protestantism and send a 
> message to the  Catholics that they were defeated and must stay that way, or 
> get their heads kicked in. So it's high time we abandoned Guy Fawkes day.
> 
> The Americans have something to celebrate with fireworks - their 
> independence from tyranny. Our tyranny, in case you'd forgotten. Maybe we 
> should let off fireworks on the 4th July to celebrate their departure. 
> What else could we celebrate with a real sense of having accomplished 
> something useful? Maybe the D-day landings.  But it's probably a British 
> tradition that we cling to feebleminded British traditions rather than 
> create anything new. 
> 
> 
Firework night for us is a little light relief, during an increasingly
difficult daily struggle to keep our heads above water, scrubbing away
on low pay and sky high bills, and living in a country where if the yobs
don't get you, the police, government, social workers, council or health
and safety will. For £2.50 a head, we get to spend 30 minutes in a very
dangerous environment, listening to very louds bangs and a fab light and
sound show, and then eat hot dogs on the way home. Please may it long
carry on in case we all end up insane.

Maria wrote:
> The Todal wrote:
>> allanbonnetracy wrote:
>>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>>>
>>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
>>> no more than about five.
>>>
>>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>>> made more sense.
>>>
>>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>>>
>>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>>> be disappearing.
>>>
>>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
>>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
>>> being wicked.
>>
>> Of course kids learn about Guy Fawkes, but it is part of all the 
>> irrelevant history that we inflict on our kids at school. Henry the 
>> Eighth and his Six Wives - why the fuck is that relevant to the 
>> history of this country or the fate of our people?  Guy Fawkes, a tiny 
>> footnote in history, a conspiracy to blow up Parliament that nowadays 
>> would win huge approval from a grateful nation, except that nobody 
>> would now think it worthwhile doing in the name of Catholicism.  
>> Hastings, Agincourt, Bosworth, Trafalgar, Waterloo, all battles that 
>> are totally irrelevant and should be ignored by all except academics.
>>
>> Guy Fawkes day was designed to be our equivalent of the Orangemen 
>> marches of Northern Ireland, an opportunity to celebrate Protestantism 
>> and send a message to the  Catholics that they were defeated and must 
>> stay that way, or get their heads kicked in. So it's high time we 
>> abandoned Guy Fawkes day.
>>
>> The Americans have something to celebrate with fireworks - their 
>> independence from tyranny. Our tyranny, in case you'd forgotten. Maybe 
>> we should let off fireworks on the 4th July to celebrate their 
>> departure. What else could we celebrate with a real sense of having 
>> accomplished something useful? Maybe the D-day landings.  But it's 
>> probably a British tradition that we cling to feebleminded British 
>> traditions rather than create anything new.
>>
> Firework night for us is a little light relief, during an increasingly 
> difficult daily struggle to keep our heads above water, scrubbing away 
> on low pay and sky high bills, and living in a country where if the yobs 
> don't get you, the police, government, social workers, council or health 
> and safety will. For £2.50 a head, we get to spend 30 minutes in a very 
> dangerous environment, listening to very louds bangs and a fab light and 
> sound show, and then eat hot dogs on the way home. Please may it long 
> carry on in case we all end up insane.

Hear, hear.  We certainly need a firework night - my only complaint is 
that it is still associated with Guy Fawkes and a Catholic plot to blow 
up Parliament. I recommend everyone to visit the town of Lewes on 5th 
November to see how Guy Fawkes night is celebrated properly.  Effigies 
of the pope, effigies of politicians and public figures, lots of 
torchlit parades that recall the ethos of Nazi Germany, and hugely 
expensive firework shows that are absolutely fantastic.

If only there was something worthwhile to celebrate, though.  That would 
   make it all the better.

On Nov 7, 7:03 pm, allanbonnetracy 
wrote:

> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
> being wicked.

Maybe when they 'find out' that Guy Fawkes was a Muslim, they'll
reintroduce it into the history syllabus.

In message , FrereTuck 
 writes
>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:06:27 +0000, FrereTuck wrote:
>>  British fireworks
>
>that is british 'standard' fireworks...

Which have been made in China for about 20 years.

>if you set off a banger, it goes off at 105.3 db...

I doubt that.

>and if you tie 3 together you get how many db? ;)

Little more than just one, but with a longer peak volume.

Do you really suppose they'd explode at exactly the same time?

-- 
< Paul >

Paul C. Dickie wrote:
> In message , FrereTuck 
>  writes
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:06:27 +0000, FrereTuck wrote:
>>>  British fireworks
>>
>> that is british 'standard' fireworks...
> 
> Which have been made in China for about 20 years.
> 
>> if you set off a banger, it goes off at 105.3 db...
> 
> I doubt that.
> 
>> and if you tie 3 together you get how many db? ;)
> 
> Little more than just one, but with a longer peak volume.
> 
> Do you really suppose they'd explode at exactly the same time?
> 

Possibly...

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=226037


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

In message <hd7osr$h4s$3@news.eternal-september.org>, William Black 
 writes
>Paul C. Dickie wrote:
>> In message , FrereTuck 
>> writes
>>> and if you tie 3 together you get how many db? ;)
>>  Little more than just one, but with a longer peak volume.
>>  Do you really suppose they'd explode at exactly the same time?
>
>Possibly...

Or possibly not.

>http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=226037

You might be able to light the "touch paper" at exactly the same time, 
but the duration of the burn before the bang (I'll not call it a 
detonation as I know that gunpowder just deflagrates) may still vary by 
as much as a second or two.

-- 
< Paul >

"Mr. Benn" <%%@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:hd613l$mao$8@news.eternal-september.org...
> FrereTuck  wrote in news:pan.2009.11.07.19.11.54
> @invalid.com:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:06:27 +0000, FrereTuck wrote:
>>
>>>  British fireworks
>>
>> that is british 'standard' fireworks...
>>
>> if you set off a banger, it goes off at 105.3 db...
>>
>> and if you tie 3 together you get how many db? ;)
>
> 110.1dB

Assuming all three bangers are identical in every way, and go off 
simultaneously....... 110.05 dB

DVDfever wrote:
> On 7 Nov, 20:46, Blue  wrote:
>> allanbonnetracy wrote:
>>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
>>> no more than about five.
>>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>>> made more sense.
>>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>>> be disappearing.
>>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
>>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
>>> being wicked.
>> Well there has been less fireworks tonight but it still seems as
>> though assholes are pushing them through letterboxes, clearly
>> the yobbos should be banned from having them as all they are is
>> minny terrorists.
>>
>> So some folk go bang bang making a stinking racket.
>>
>> How about is some idiot did that every night, you'd want them seen to.
>>
>> Well why should the many put up with the 'music' racket of the few.
>> be put upon with other peoples noise.
>>
>> I look forward to the day when they're banned.
> 
> You miserable bastard. You must've enjoyed them as a kid.


Way back when they were short on bang and little more on lights.

Now all I hear is military cannons and suburban gun play.

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:03:02 -0800 (PST), allanbonnetracy
 wrote:

>Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.

>Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>be disappearing.

At £40 for a small box of piddling rockets and 10 second wonders, I
doubt people had enough DIY fireworks to last long enough for you to
notice.

At least there are still *many* organised events where you can see a
darn good display of £1000's going up in smoke without paying
anything.

-- 
Cynic

Vicko Zoomba wrote:
> On 8 Nov, 02:21, Blue  wrote:
>> martin wrote:

>> We can't trust people not to hand these bombs over to kids
>> and they get them and they go and maime and kill people.
>>
>> On the sound side. If everyone turned up their TVs to play this
>> banging noise all night, all fortnight, a hell of a lot of people
>> would be disturbed and in need of treatment.
>>
>> So why should the few be allowed to make a noisey grief for the many.
>>
>> What on earth are they celebrating any how, they don't know.
> 
> I remember as a teenager I got a length of hard plastic pipe - about
> 14" long and just the right internal diameter to slip a AA size
> battery into. I taped one end off with a 1 penny stuck a banger down
> the pipe and then a battery infront of it. Yes it went off like an
> artillery gun. It was great fun and I got rid of all the dud batteries
> from the house (16 if I remember correctly). It harmed no-one. I
> didn'y point it at people or cars, nor did I point it at anyones
> windows. That experiment taught me a few things about physics which
> would certainly not have been taught in the school lab.
> 
> McKevvy


I can make a balloon go pop, it's a complete mystery.

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
news:a95gf5hoa7jlvevk4og7n3bkhs22qn4bgf@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:03:02 -0800 (PST), allanbonnetracy
>  wrote:
>
>>Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>
>>Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>>be disappearing.
>
> At £40 for a small box of piddling rockets and 10 second wonders, I
> doubt people had enough DIY fireworks to last long enough for you to
> notice.
>
> At least there are still *many* organised events where you can see a
> darn good display of £1000's going up in smoke without paying
> anything.
>
I just watch the neighbours'

The Todal wrote:
> allanbonnetracy wrote:

> 
> The Americans have something to celebrate with fireworks - their 
> independence from tyranny. Our tyranny, in case you'd forgotten

I've always wondered how Canada evolved, given how "wicked" we were, and 
why they fought so well and so hard NOT to become part of the USA!

. Maybe we
> should let off fireworks on the 4th July to celebrate their departure. 
> What else could we celebrate with a real sense of having accomplished 
> something useful? Maybe the D-day landings.  But it's probably a British 
> tradition that we cling to feebleminded British traditions rather than 
> create anything new. 
> 
> 


-- 
Moving things in still pictures

On Nov 11, 5:16 pm, MattLB  wrote:
> On Nov 9, 1:16 pm, Blue  wrote:
>
>
>
> > DVDfever wrote:
> > > On 7 Nov, 20:46, Blue  wrote:
> > >> allanbonnetracy wrote:
> > >>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> > >>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
> > >>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
> > >>> no more than about five.
> > >>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
> > >>> made more sense.
> > >>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
> > >>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
> > >>> be disappearing.
> > >>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
> > >>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
> > >>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
> > >>> being wicked.
> > >> Well there has been less fireworks tonight but it still seems as
> > >> though assholes are pushing them through letterboxes, clearly
> > >> the yobbos should be banned from having them as all they are is
> > >> minny terrorists.
>
> > >> So some folk go bang bang making a stinking racket.
>
> > >> How about is some idiot did that every night, you'd want them seen to.
>
> > >> Well why should the many put up with the 'music' racket of the few.
> > >> be put upon with other peoples noise.
>
> > >> I look forward to the day when they're banned.
>
> > > You miserable bastard. You must've enjoyed them as a kid.
>
> > Way back when they were short on bang and little more on lights.
>
> > Now all I hear is military cannons and suburban gun play.
>
> I have a 20  minute walk home from work and on the 5th there wasn't a
> break in the bangs for the whole time.

Does your walk home take in Canal Street, then?

CP wrote:
> On Nov 11, 5:16 pm, MattLB  wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 1:16 pm, Blue  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> DVDfever wrote:
>>>> On 7 Nov, 20:46, Blue  wrote:
>>>>> allanbonnetracy wrote:
>>>>>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween
>>>>>> is now third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>>>>>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks
>>>>>> counted no more than about five.
>>>>>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend
>>>>>> probably made more sense.
>>>>>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>>>>>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would
>>>>>> seem to be disappearing.
>>>>>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about
>>>>>> Guy Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust,
>>>>>> Global Warming and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on
>>>>>> these things or you’re being wicked.
>>>>> Well there has been less fireworks tonight but it still seems as
>>>>> though assholes are pushing them through letterboxes, clearly
>>>>> the yobbos should be banned from having them as all they are is
>>>>> minny terrorists.
>>
>>>>> So some folk go bang bang making a stinking racket.
>>
>>>>> How about is some idiot did that every night, you'd want them
>>>>> seen to.  Well why should the many put up with the 'music' racket
>>>>> of the few. be put upon with other peoples noise.
>>
>>>>> I look forward to the day when they're banned.
>>
>>>> You miserable bastard. You must've enjoyed them as a kid.
>>
>>> Way back when they were short on bang and little more on lights.
>>
>>> Now all I hear is military cannons and suburban gun play.
>>
>> I have a 20 minute walk home from work and on the 5th there wasn't a
>> break in the bangs for the whole time.
>
> Does your walk home take in Canal Street, then?

With which you seem to be very well acquainted...

On Nov 11, 9:26 pm, "Ophelia"  wrote:
> CP wrote:
> > On Nov 11, 5:16 pm, MattLB  wrote:
> >> On Nov 9, 1:16 pm, Blue  wrote:
>
> >>> DVDfever wrote:
> >>>> On 7 Nov, 20:46, Blue  wrote:
> >>>>> allanbonnetracy wrote:
> >>>>>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween
> >>>>>> is now third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
> >>>>>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks
> >>>>>> counted no more than about five.
> >>>>>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend
> >>>>>> probably made more sense.
> >>>>>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
> >>>>>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would
> >>>>>> seem to be disappearing.
> >>>>>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about
> >>>>>> Guy Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust,
> >>>>>> Global Warming and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on
> >>>>>> these things or you’re being wicked.
> >>>>> Well there has been less fireworks tonight but it still seems as
> >>>>> though assholes are pushing them through letterboxes, clearly
> >>>>> the yobbos should be banned from having them as all they are is
> >>>>> minny terrorists.
>
> >>>>> So some folk go bang bang making a stinking racket.
>
> >>>>> How about is some idiot did that every night, you'd want them
> >>>>> seen to.  Well why should the many put up with the 'music' racket
> >>>>> of the few. be put upon with other peoples noise.
>
> >>>>> I look forward to the day when they're banned.
>
> >>>> You miserable bastard. You must've enjoyed them as a kid.
>
> >>> Way back when they were short on bang and little more on lights.
>
> >>> Now all I hear is military cannons and suburban gun play.
>
> >> I have a 20 minute walk home from work and on the 5th there wasn't a
> >> break in the bangs for the whole time.
>
> > Does your walk home take in Canal Street, then?
>
> With which you seem to be very well acquainted...

Nope, never been there actually...

On Nov 9, 1:16 pm, Blue  wrote:
> DVDfever wrote:
> > On 7 Nov, 20:46, Blue  wrote:
> >> allanbonnetracy wrote:
> >>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
> >>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
> >>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
> >>> no more than about five.
> >>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
> >>> made more sense.
> >>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
> >>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
> >>> be disappearing.
> >>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
> >>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
> >>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
> >>> being wicked.
> >> Well there has been less fireworks tonight but it still seems as
> >> though assholes are pushing them through letterboxes, clearly
> >> the yobbos should be banned from having them as all they are is
> >> minny terrorists.
>
> >> So some folk go bang bang making a stinking racket.
>
> >> How about is some idiot did that every night, you'd want them seen to.
>
> >> Well why should the many put up with the 'music' racket of the few.
> >> be put upon with other peoples noise.
>
> >> I look forward to the day when they're banned.
>
> > You miserable bastard. You must've enjoyed them as a kid.
>
> Way back when they were short on bang and little more on lights.
>
> Now all I hear is military cannons and suburban gun play.

I have a 20  minute walk home from work and on the 5th there wasn't a
break in the bangs for the whole time. Coming from all over the city
it sounded like being in a war zone.

MattLB

"Robbie"  wrote in message 
news:7lmdhsF3bl1v9U1@mid.individual.net...
> allanbonnetracy wrote:
>> Well Wednesday came and the news was telling me that Halloween is now
>> third only in the retail stakes to Xmas and Easter.
>>
>> Then the day itself Thursday, round my way, sod all fireworks counted
>> no more than about five.
>>
>> Well I suppose the weather was peeing it down and the weekend probably
>> made more sense.
>>
>> Friday again sod all and tonight just the same.
>>
>> Another British tradition, it is our history after all, would seem to
>> be disappearing.
>>
>> But then, the kids, in state schools, probably don’t learn about Guy
>> Fawkes anymore when they’re so busy with the Holocaust, Global Warming
>> and Slavery and how we must all pay more tax on these things or you’re
>> being wicked.
>
> Kids don't want to celebrate something they can't involved in. They can 
> buy masks, outfits and pumpkins. They can't buy fireworks so they are 
> hardly likely to be interested.

Good job too that kids can't buy fireworks.
I mean, they're be mayhem wouldn't there?
They'd only end up throwing them at each other or putting them
through people's letter boxes.....

Col