http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html

The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.

She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:45:41 -0700 (PDT), allan tracy
 wrote:

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
>
>The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
>She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
>well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

they're judging him and his husband from number 11 right now

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"allan tracy"  wrote in message 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html

The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.

She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

The poor delusional bitch, there are people locked up in mental institutes 
for less.

Redman

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:45:41 -0700 (PDT), allan tracy
 wrote:

>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
>
>The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
>She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
>well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'


What, dead?

allan tracy wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
>
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

Ho, yessss!

allan tracy wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
> 
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
> 
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

    FFS!! Are these people indifferent to being the cause of raised 
blood pressure?

On or about Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:53:53 +0100, Redman is alleged to have
written:

> The poor delusional bitch, there are people locked up in mental institutes 
> for less.

Where? NuLabour closed the ones Maggie didn't get around to!!

"allan tracy"  wrote in message 
news:1582b273-ca43-4b18-9a06-6f19201545e7@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

In that they both were responsible for the slaughter of innocent Iraqis?
http://www.againstbombing.org/chemical.htm

Blair's now working on the board of Jew York investment banks. He's
always been extremely concerned about his 'reputation', to the point
of writing "I've got to go like a rock star, walking off stage,
leaving them wanting more".

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:57:27 +0100, Steve Robinson wrote:

> "allan tracy"  wrote in message
> news:1582b273-
ca43-4b18-9a06-6f19201545e7@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> 
>> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
>> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'
> 
> In that they both were responsible for the slaughter of innocent Iraqis?
> http://www.againstbombing.org/chemical.htm

yeah, good point.

Up where?...the yank's arseholes?

"$80PC News Network"  wrote in message 
news:00570453-b3d9-4a11-aaf2-65c5ba4649f3@u57g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Blair's now working on the board of Jew York investment banks.

There are NO investment banks left in the USA you bone headed buffoon.

They all disappeared last week.

Don't these Nazi imbeciles read the news now and again?

You really couldn't make up unmitigated ignorance on that scale.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Steve Robinson"  wrote in message
news:ZTsEk.53708$fd.9388@newsfe12.ams2...
> "allan tracy"  wrote in message
> news:1582b273-ca43-4b18-9a06-6f19201545e7@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > She said: ' He was fantastic. I'm sure history will judge him very
> > well. I think he'll be up there with Churchill.'
>
> In that they both were responsible for the slaughter of innocent Iraqis?
> http://www.againstbombing.org/chemical.htm
>
>

At least Churchill only had to lay bricks to relieve the stress...

allan tracy wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
> 
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
> 
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

I really wish he was.

$80PC News Network wrote:
> Blair's now working on the board of Jew York investment banks.

That might explain a thing or two.

"Owen Wilson"  wrote in message
news:1tk07ly8zgs59.dlg@pull.my.prick...
> On or about Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:53:53 +0100, Redman is alleged to have
> written:
>
> > The poor delusional bitch, there are people locked up in mental
institutes
> > for less.
>
> Where? NuLabour closed the ones Maggie didn't get around to!!

Cherie's roaming loose....kind of like "scare in the community"

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:56:29 +0100, Owen Wilson  wrote:

> On or about Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:53:53 +0100, Redman is alleged to have
> written:
>
>> The poor delusional bitch, there are people locked up in mental institutes
>> for less.
>
> Where? NuLabour closed the ones Maggie didn't get around to!!

What has this to do with Essex?

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In article <1582b273-ca43-4b18-9a06-6f19201545e7
@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, thunderbird57303@hotmail.com says...
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
> 
> The ex-Prime Minister?s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
> 
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I?m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he?ll be up there with Churchill.'
> 

Well, Churchill is a bulldog, and Blair is a poodle, but they're both 
mindless nodding dogs, so she's pretty spot-on.

-- 
Halmyre

That's you that is.

In article <1582b273-ca43-4b18-9a06-6f19201545e7@y79g2000hsa.googlegroup
s.com>, allan tracy  writes
>The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in an 
>interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
>She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very well. 
>I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.' 

As it's one of the most annoying adverts on T.V. and a crap insurance
company then she's probably correct.

Mike

-- 
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Kirkheaton              We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.    
Yorkshire                                       Halvard Lange

allan tracy wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
>
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

I dont see a problem with a spouse believing her husband is that great...

Gaz

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:02:39 +0100, Mike Swift
 wrote:

>In article <1582b273-ca43-4b18-9a06-6f19201545e7@y79g2000hsa.googlegroup
>s.com>, allan tracy  writes
>>The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in an 
>>interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>>
>>She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very well. 
>>I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.' 
>
>As it's one of the most annoying adverts on T.V. and a crap insurance
>company then she's probably correct.

surely that dog has more personality and charisma

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:05:05 +0100, "Gaz"  wrote:

>allan tracy wrote:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
>>
>> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>>
>> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
>> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'
>
>I dont see a problem with a spouse believing her husband is that great...

you obviously believe in the repression of wimmin....
i'm reporting you to harm man the moment i've sent this post

regards

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allan tracy  wrote:
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I?m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he?ll be up there with Churchill.'

That would be the insurance company puppet?

-- 
Clarence Darrow:I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose.

Peter Hucker wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:56:29 +0100, Owen Wilson  wrote:
> 
>> On or about Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:53:53 +0100, Redman is alleged to have
>> written:
>>
>>> The poor delusional bitch, there are people locked up in mental institutes
>>> for less.
>> Where? NuLabour closed the ones Maggie didn't get around to!!
> 
> What has this to do with Essex?
> 
Perhaps she is roaming loose in Essex.  That would be scary.

-- 
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e-mail use reply to field

What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make 
people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:42:48 +0100, Old Codger  wrote:

> Peter Hucker wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:56:29 +0100, Owen Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> On or about Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:53:53 +0100, Redman is alleged to have
>>> written:
>>>
>>>> The poor delusional bitch, there are people locked up in mental institutes
>>>> for less.
>>> Where? NuLabour closed the ones Maggie didn't get around to!!
>>
>> What has this to do with Essex?
>>
> Perhaps she is roaming loose in Essex.  That would be scary.

"Prime Monster".

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Lister wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:45:41 -0700 (PDT), allan tracy
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
>>
>> The ex-Prime Minister's wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>>
>> She said: ' He was fantastic. I'm sure history will judge him very
>> well. I think he'll be up there with Churchill.'
>
>
> What, dead?

It would be nice wouldn't it?

Gaz wrote:
> allan tracy wrote:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
>>
>> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>>
>> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
>> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'
>
> I dont see a problem with a spouse believing her husband is that
> great...

Very true. Mrs Khan had some very nice things to say about Genghis.

Lou Ravi wrote:
> 
> Lister wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:45:41 -0700 (PDT), allan tracy
> >  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
> >>
> >> The ex-Prime Minister's wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> >> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
> >>
> >> She said: ' He was fantastic. I'm sure history will judge him very
> >> well. I think he'll be up there with Churchill.'
> >
> >
> > What, dead?
> 
> It would be nice wouldn't it?

How to spoil a good joke

allan tracy wrote:
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
> 
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
> 
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

Wot, does he have a ci-ci-cigar?

On 30 Sep, 09:45, allan tracy  wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-...
>
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

Quite right. And the Kray's dear old mum affirmed they were good boys.
You could leave your door open. No one would touch nuffink.

allan tracy wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
> 
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
> 
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

The nodding dog, presumably ...

-- 
neil h

On Oct 1, 4:26 am, MikeinCam...@aol.com wrote:
> On 30 Sep, 09:45, allan tracy  wrote:
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-...
>
> > The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> > an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
> > She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> > well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'
>
> Quite right. And the Kray's dear old mum affirmed they were good boys.
> You could leave your door open. No one would touch nuffink.

In fact Churchill was kicked out of Harrow for buggering a younger
guy, he was arrested 2 for importuning in central London and his mom
the mistress of the king had to get the king to intervene and have him
sent out to the Sudan...where he shagged Kitchener.

MikeinCamden@aol.com wrote:
> On 30 Sep, 09:45, allan tracy  wrote:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-...
>>
>> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>>
>> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
>> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'
>
> Quite right. And the Kray's dear old mum affirmed they were good boys.
> You could leave your door open. No one would touch nuffink.

As Python said in "The Piranha Brothers" - "people would be in and out of 
each other's doors all the time - with each other's property" - but at least 
they were "cruel; cruel - but fair...."

Janitor of Lunacy wrote:
> MikeinCamden@aol.com wrote:
>> On 30 Sep, 09:45, allan tracy  wrote:
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-...
>>>
>>> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>>> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>>>
>>> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
>>> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'
>> Quite right. And the Kray's dear old mum affirmed they were good boys.
>> You could leave your door open. No one would touch nuffink.
> 
> As Python said in "The Piranha Brothers" - "people would be in and out of 
> each other's doors all the time - with each other's property" - but at least 
> they were "cruel; cruel - but fair...."
> 
> 

For an ex-policeman you can be remarkably naive

Peter Hucker wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:42:48 +0100, Old Codger  wrote:
> 
>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:56:29 +0100, Owen Wilson  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On or about Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:53:53 +0100, Redman is alleged to have
>>>> written:
>>>>
>>>>> The poor delusional bitch, there are people locked up in mental institutes
>>>>> for less.
>>>> Where? NuLabour closed the ones Maggie didn't get around to!!
>>> What has this to do with Essex?
>>>
>> Perhaps she is roaming loose in Essex.  That would be scary.
> 
> "Prime Monster".
> 
:-)

-- 
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people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

allan tracy wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
>
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

Quite possibly.... there's a lamppost next to Churchill's status.

wrote in message 
news:d5990703-5e7b-4079-bc69-c45340458162@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 30 Sep, 09:45, allan tracy  wrote:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-...
>>
>> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>>
>> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
>> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'
>
> Quite right. And the Kray's dear old mum affirmed they were good boys.
> You could leave your door open. No one would touch nuffink.

Don't...  I used to work with a woman who swore that Charlie Kray was a 
lovely fella and used to clean the old peoples windows for them.  Honest!

As for Cherie...  I think she was pitching a bit low.  I half expected her 
to say Tone was 'up there' with God.  We wish...  ;-))

-- 
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket

allan tracy wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
> 
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
> 
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

F****** mental b***h

"allan tracy"  wrote in message 
news:1582b273-ca43-4b18-9a06-6f19201545e7@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html

The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.

She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

I think she means on length of service...

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:15:14 +0100, "R. Mark Clayton"
 wrote:

>
>"allan tracy"  wrote in message 
>news:1582b273-ca43-4b18-9a06-6f19201545e7@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html
>
>The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
>She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
>well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'
>
>I think she means on length of service... 

churchill was a major player for most over 50 years...despite
    attempts of minnows to sideline him....


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On Sep 30, 5:45 pm, allan tracy  wrote:

> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

The comparison between Churchill and Blair does have a certain
validity : Churchill spent nine months in an American womb while Blair
spent ten years up an American arsehole.

On Sep 30, 9:45 am, allan tracy  wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-...
>
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

 And the sooner the better.

On 30 Sep, 17:45, allan tracy  wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-...
>
> The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
> She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

I think Blair will easily beat Churchill, provided we judge him on his
personal greed, and his role in speading death and mutilation to
millions of people without any justification for doing so apart from
ambition.

Cherie Bliar will be remebered as a moral accomplice and as someone
who benefitted from the spoils of her man's greed.  She and he are
busy trying to face lift their image to change the world's opinion of
them.  History will lift the veil on the relgious cover-up and the
surreal, delusional world of Tont Bliar.  It may also finally reveal
the inconguence of their lives and the near fatal effect that their
'madness' had on their children.  His was the greatest heist ever
pulled off by an ambitious politician.  It was always a plan to
transform his status to multi-millionaire by placing his personal
ambitions above Britain's interests by becoming a working 'agent' for
America - fully in the knowledge that the Americans would feather his
nest forever after.  Not exactly Churchill is it?

Turk182



Turk182

Turk182

On 30 Sep, 22:44, Old Codger  wrote:
> Peter Hucker wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:42:48 퍝, Old Codger  wrote:
>
> >> Peter Hucker wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:56:29 퍝, Owen Wilson  wrote:
>
> >>>> On or about Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:53:53 퍝, Redman is alleged to have
> >>>> written:
>
> >>>>> The poor delusional bitch, there are people locked up in mental institutes
> >>>>> for less.
> >>>> Where? NuLabour closed the ones Maggie didn't get around to!!
> >>> What has this to do with Essex?
>
> >> Perhaps she is roaming loose in Essex.  That would be scary.
>
> > "Prime Monster".
>
> :-)
>
> --
> Old Codger
> e-mail use reply to field
>
> What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make
> people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe we should look at Blair's role in our current financial
problems.  Although we have all been happy to let Brown carry the can,
we should also remember that Blair was the PM through the years of
'boom' and that he evntually handed over the reins to an eager Brown,
just in time to miss the 'bust'.

Turk182

On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:38:05 +0100, Turk182  wrote:

> On 30 Sep, 22:44, Old Codger  wrote:
>> Peter Hucker wrote:
>> > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:42:48 +0100, Old Codger  wrote:
>>
>> >> Peter Hucker wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:56:29 +0100, Owen Wilson  wrote:
>>
>> >>>> On or about Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:53:53 +0100, Redman is alleged to have
>> >>>> written:
>>
>> >>>>> The poor delusional bitch, there are people locked up in mental institutes
>> >>>>> for less.
>> >>>> Where? NuLabour closed the ones Maggie didn't get around to!!
>> >>> What has this to do with Essex?
>>
>> >> Perhaps she is roaming loose in Essex.  That would be scary.
>>
>> > "Prime Monster".
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> --
>> Old Codger
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>> What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make
>> people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]- Hide quoted text -
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>
> Maybe we should look at Blair's role in our current financial
> problems.  Although we have all been happy to let Brown carry the can,
> we should also remember that Blair was the PM through the years of
> 'boom' and that he evntually handed over the reins to an eager Brown,
> just in time to miss the 'bust'.

Vote BNP.

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Turk182 wrote:
> 
> Maybe we should look at Blair's role in our current financial
> problems.  Although we have all been happy to let Brown carry the can,
> we should also remember that Blair was the PM through the years of
> 'boom' and that he evntually handed over the reins to an eager Brown,
> just in time to miss the 'bust'.

Blair is equally blameworthy but it was Brown who was the Chancellor who 
borrowed and spent with no thought of preparations for a rainy day.  He 
forgot the parables he must have learnt as a kid and if prudence really 
was by his side he did not listen because she would surely have been 
urging him to put a bit by for a rainy day.  He obviously actually 
believed he had eliminated boom and bust, despite the lessons of history.

-- 
Old Codger
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What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make 
people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

On Sep 30, 9:57 am, "Steve Robinson"
 wrote:
> "allan tracy"  wrote in message
>
> news:1582b273-ca43-4b18-9a06-6f19201545e7@y79g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
> > well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'
>
> In that they both were responsible for the slaughter of innocent Iraqis?
> http://www.againstbombing.org/chemical.htm

Actually Churchill was trying to save the lives of Iraqis
when he suggested the genocidal Kurds should be treated
with tear gas, instead of bombing and machine gunning them.

"I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas.
We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference
of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method
of warfare.  It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the
poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and then to boggle at
making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas."

"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised
 tribes.  The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life
should be reduced to a minimum.  It is not necessary to use the
most deadly gases: gasses can be used which would cause great
inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet leave no
serious permanent effects on most of those affected."

-- Winston Churchill

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/files/public/Spectator_Article.pdf

We use tear gas today against anti-G8 protestors.
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02m36fqbnq2gq/610x.jpg
http://www.resist.org.uk/files/images/g8-genoa02_03.jpg

The Kurds had been involved in the genocide of the Armenians,
said to be a slaughter which inspired Hitler.

http://itwasjohnson.impiousdigest.com/Heads.jpg
http://members.fortunecity.com/fstav1/megali_idea/armenian_genocide.jpg
http://www.bibleprobe.com/christianbodies2.jpg
http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/images/armenian1.jpg

If that is not uncivilised, what is?

The rest of the website is a load too.  Notice how it cites David
Irving's
figure of 250,000 dead - a ten fold exaggeration of the number of
casualties made by East German propagandists after the war.

It references a copy-cat article in THE GUARDIAN by some revisionista:
'Adding bomb-racks to Vickers Vernon troop carriers, Harris more
or less invented the heavy bomber as well as night "terror" raids.

(i) heavy bombers were used in WW1 - nothing to do with Harris or
Churchill
http://www.armynavyairforce.co.uk/images/handleypage0400.jpg
http://www.wwiaviation.com/bombers_german.shtml
WW1: "Night raids began in August of 1917 and continued until May
1918
when they were abandoned because of the increasingly heavy losses."

(ii) civilians were bombed with incendiaries (thermite) in WW1,
again,  nothing to do with Harris or Churchill
http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/airplane%20at%20war/Bombers.htm

http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/zeppattantw1v.JPG

Max Muir

In message 
, 
allan tracy  writes
>
>
>The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
>She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
>well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

Wasn't Churchill a warmongering alcoholic with a long history of 
clinical depression ?   So maybe she's right :-)

-- 
Edward Cowling   "Time is not your enemy, forever is !!"

Edward Cowling London UK wrote:
> In message
> ,
> allan tracy  writes
>>
>>
>> The ex-Prime Minister's wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
>> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>>
>> She said: ' He was fantastic. I'm sure history will judge him very
>> well. I think he'll be up there with Churchill.'
>
> Wasn't Churchill a warmongering alcoholic with a long history of
> clinical depression ?   So maybe she's right :-)

Nothing wrong with that. Alcoholic depressives are frequently very high-IQ 
people whose depression is fuelled by the inability of those around them to 
understand their understanding of the circumstances, and here I speak from 
personal experience. As for warmongering, Churchill argued against it long 
and hard until the failure of Chamberlain's initiative (which was little 
more than an delaying tactic, because he though that war was inevitable and 
wanted the UK to be properly defended what it happened). Churchill was put 
into a position where he could have rolled over and let Hitler invade 
Britain, or to resist at whatever cost. That isn't warmongering, given 
Hitler's avowed intentions. That's defence, and the principal reason that 
you are now still able to speak English, as opposed to German.

On Oct 2, 7:07 am, "Janitor of Lunacy"  wrote:
> Edward Cowling London UK wrote:
>
> > In message
> > ,
> > allan tracy  writes
>
> >> The ex-Prime Minister's wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
> >> an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.
>
> >> She said: ' He was fantastic. I'm sure history will judge him very
> >> well. I think he'll be up there with Churchill.'
>
> > Wasn't Churchill a warmongering alcoholic with a long history of
> > clinical depression ?   So maybe she's right :-)
>
> Nothing wrong with that. Alcoholic depressives are frequently very high-IQ
> people whose depression is fuelled by the inability of those around them to
> understand their understanding of the circumstances, and here I speak from
> personal experience. As for warmongering, Churchill argued against it long
> and hard until the failure of Chamberlain's initiative (which was little
> more than an delaying tactic, because he though that war was inevitable and
> wanted the UK to be properly defended what it happened). Churchill was put
> into a position where he could have rolled over and let Hitler invade
> Britain, or to resist at whatever cost. That isn't warmongering, given
> Hitler's avowed intentions. That's defence, and the principal reason that
> you are now still able to speak English, as opposed to German.

Churchill was also homosexual.....actually arrested twice for
liotering in public toilets as ayouth

In message 
, 
frediesmith@googlemail.com writes
>> Britain, or to resist at whatever cost. That isn't warmongering, given
>> Hitler's avowed intentions. That's defence, and the principal reason that
>> you are now still able to speak English, as opposed to German.
>
>Churchill was also homosexual.....actually arrested twice for
>liotering in public toilets as ayouth

Oh dear, that picture is going to haunt me all day :-)

-- 
Edward Cowling   "Time is not your enemy, forever is !!"

In article <48e3e16c$0$2511$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>,
Old Codger   wrote:
>Blair is equally blameworthy but it was Brown who was the Chancellor who 
>borrowed and spent with no thought of preparations for a rainy day.  He 
>forgot the parables he must have learnt as a kid and if prudence really 
>was by his side he did not listen because she would surely have been 
>urging him to put a bit by for a rainy day.  He obviously actually 
>believed he had eliminated boom and bust, despite the lessons of history.

Something I have wondered (aimlessly) about... What would have
to change in our capitalist system to eliminate boom-bust cycles?
Is it even possible?

IANAE

Francis

In article , Edward Cowling
London UK  writes
>>Churchill was also homosexual.....actually arrested twice for
>>liotering in public toilets as ayouth
>
>Oh dear, that picture is going to haunt me all day :-)

Funny old world innit, call a police horse gay and you're in trouble,
call a nice cuddly nodding bulldog TV star a homosexual and nothing's
said.

Mike

-- 
Michael Swift           We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.      
Kirkheaton              We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.    
Yorkshire                                       Halvard Lange

Janitor of Lunacy  posted
>As for warmongering, Churchill argued against it long and hard

Argued against what?

>until the failure of Chamberlain's initiative (which was little more 
>than an delaying tactic, because he though that war was inevitable and 
>wanted the UK to be properly defended what it happened). Churchill was 
>put into a position where he could have rolled over and let Hitler 
>invade Britain, or to resist at whatever cost. That isn't warmongering, 
>given Hitler's avowed intentions.

Sheer fantasy. Hitler never intended to invade England. He was briefly 
tempted to do so after the sudden collapse of France and the associated 
attrition of Britain's defences. But after a few perfunctory air raids 
he sensibly decided to leave it alone and get on with his strategic plan 
of eastward expansion while leaving his western wall impregnable.

>That's defence, and the principal reason that you are now still able to 
>speak English, as opposed to German.

For that there is no one "principal reason" but many, among which the 
most significant include Pearl Harbour and Stalingrad, and their 
aftermaths.

-- 
Les

"allan tracy"  wrote in message 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1065110/Tony-celebrated-like-Winston-Churchill-claims-Cherie-Blair.html

The ex-Prime Minister’s wife praised Tony Blair's political career in
an interview with Vanity Fair magazine.

She said: ' He was fantastic. I’m sure history will judge him very
well. I think he’ll be up there with Churchill.'

Let me see: -

Churchill - took power during a war, saved the country and got us out of the 
war.

Blair - took power during peace and prosperity, got us into a war (that we 
are still in), ruined the country and then jumped ship...

Still she only has eyes for Tony.