Ever since I moved onto a council estate a couple of years ago, I've
suffered a lot of harassment from teenage yobs (mainly threats of
violence, stone-throwing, minor assaults).

Throughout this time, they've capitalised on the fact that I can't
identify them.It's the kind of estate where there are seldom any
adults on the streets to whom I can say "do you know who he is?" Also,
as a relative newcomer to the neighbourhood, I don't have a network of
friends who can help with 'local intelligence'.

So these cowardly toe-rags know they can do what they like to me, and
all I'll ever be able to do is give a vague description to the police.

Well, the other day, one of them, a lad of 16 or 17, made a mistake -
he threatened me while he was on his way to school, and wearing the
school's uniform. So I fixed up an appointment with a member of staff
there, told him what had happened, and a couple of days later, he
showed me a CCTV printout that was definitely the youth who'd
threatened me.

So here's my question: is there any way that I can legally get that
yob's name? I didn't even bother asking the bloke at the school,
because I was certain he'd say "Sorry, we aren't allowed to disclose
information on our students" etc.

I've informed the police, but the most that will happen is he'll get a
visit from a copper (I doubt if it would go to court, since it was
just threats, with no witness present). And the police probably won't
give me his name either, since he's a minor.

So is there any nifty legal manoeuvre I can use to get it? One though
I had was to mount a private criminal prosecution, intending to drop
it almost immediately (since it would cost me a fortune to go through
with it), just to get the name.

That's probably a rubbish idea, but are there any better ones?

I've had over two years of these cowardly pond-life hiding behind
their anonymity and always having the advantage, so it would be nice
to 'win' just once.

I'd really appreciate any advice anyone can give here.

Why do you want his name? His identity is known
to the authorities.

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:14:02 -0700 (PDT), gormand53@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>Ever since I moved onto a council estate a couple of years ago, I've
>suffered a lot of harassment from teenage yobs (mainly threats of
>violence, stone-throwing, minor assaults).
>
>Throughout this time, they've capitalised on the fact that I can't
>identify them.It's the kind of estate where there are seldom any
>adults on the streets to whom I can say "do you know who he is?" Also,
>as a relative newcomer to the neighbourhood, I don't have a network of
>friends who can help with 'local intelligence'.
>
>So these cowardly toe-rags know they can do what they like to me, and
>all I'll ever be able to do is give a vague description to the police.
>
>Well, the other day, one of them, a lad of 16 or 17, made a mistake -
>he threatened me while he was on his way to school, and wearing the

Did you report it at the time?


>school's uniform. So I fixed up an appointment with a member of staff
>there, told him what had happened, and a couple of days later, he
>showed me a CCTV printout that was definitely the youth who'd
>threatened me.
>
>So here's my question: is there any way that I can legally get that
>yob's name? I didn't even bother asking the bloke at the school,
>because I was certain he'd say "Sorry, we aren't allowed to disclose
>information on our students" etc.
>
>I've informed the police, but the most that will happen is he'll get a
>visit from a copper (I doubt if it would go to court, since it was
>just threats, with no witness present). And the police probably won't
>give me his name either, since he's a minor.
>
>So is there any nifty legal manoeuvre I can use to get it? One though
>I had was to mount a private criminal prosecution, intending to drop
>it almost immediately (since it would cost me a fortune to go through
>with it), just to get the name.
>
>That's probably a rubbish idea, but are there any better ones?
>
>I've had over two years of these cowardly pond-life hiding behind
>their anonymity and always having the advantage, so it would be nice
>to 'win' just once.
>
>I'd really appreciate any advice anyone can give here.
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> Did you report it at the time?
>
Yes - I phoned the police a few minutes after it happened. Had to wait
3 days for an officer to get to me, and when one finally turned up,
all he did was say "if I were you, I'd move".

On 30 Sep, 13:12, Diddly Doo  wrote:
> Why do you want his name? His identity is known
> to the authorities.

Just natural justice. As I said, these scrotes have been harrassing me
for over two years, and have been depending on the fact that I don't
know who they are. Now I'm close to finding out the identity of _just
one_ of these pondlife, I feel I have a moral right to know who he is.

If someone was making your life a misery, wouldn't you want to know
who he was?

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:18:09 -0700 (PDT), gormand53@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>
>
>> Did you report it at the time?
>>
>Yes - I phoned the police a few minutes after it happened. Had to wait
>3 days for an officer to get to me, and when one finally turned up,
>all he did was say "if I were you, I'd move".

Well use your call's log number to give more info - let them handle
it.
If they don't then you need to speak to someone else - start perhaps
with your local councillor and see who they can get to help you.
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:22:58 -0700 (PDT), gormand53@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>> Why do you want his name? His identity is known
>> to the authorities.

>Just natural justice.

No you don't, because  "natural justice" does not require names.  I
think you wish to perpetrate some form of revenge.

>As I said, these scrotes have been harrassing me
>for over two years, and have been depending on the fact that I don't
>know who they are. Now I'm close to finding out the identity of _just
>one_ of these pondlife, I feel I have a moral right to know who he is.

>If someone was making your life a misery, wouldn't you want to know
>who he was?

But what does "knowing who he is" actually mean?  You *already* know
who he is by virtue of being able to recognise him when you see him.
If I were to tell you that the youth's name is John Smith, what does
that allow you to do that you could not otherwise do?

If you are wanting to find out where the youth lives so that you can
go and commit a cowardly act of criminal damage on his or his parent's
property, I would strongly advise against it.  It will all end in
tears.

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On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 02:18:09 -0700 (PDT), gormand53@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>Yes - I phoned the police a few minutes after it happened. Had to wait
>3 days for an officer to get to me, and when one finally turned up,
>all he did was say "if I were you, I'd move".

That seems to me an unreasonable suggestion for him to say "if I were
you, I'd move".   I take it you took the constable's name and/or
collar number.  Go to the police office and ask to speak to a senior
officer.

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Alasdair.