The danger of Defra
(Filed: 20/02/2006)

Only one section of the British public has any excuse, so far, to panic 
about the worldwide spread of the H5N1 variety of bird flu, and that is our 
nation's poultry farmers.

Where viruses are concerned, it is never safe to predict the future: Peter 
Medawar, the Nobel Prize-winning immunologist, once described a virus as "a 
piece of nucleic acid surrounded by bad news". The situation is changing 
daily. Nevertheless, in the absence of evidence that H5NI has mutated to 
spread from human to human, the worst news for Britain remains the fact that 
the situation is being handled by Defra.

As we learnt last week, this hybrid of a department is more interested in 
global warming than agriculture. This will not have come as a surprise to 
farmers, who remember the shocking mess it made of the foot-and-mouth 
epidemic in 2001, first brushing aside the problem and then, after weeks of 
lethargy, in effect closing the countryside in order to organise a ruthless 
holocaust.

Asked about bird flu yesterday, John Reid, the Defence Secretary, said 
blithely: "I'm sure that the Government has got all the necessary measures 
there." Scientists are not so sure.

The virologist Prof John Oxford reckons that, while Defra might be equipped 
to cope with an outbreak, "the great gaping chasm seems to me that they're 
not prepared to act to stop one coming in the first place". By which time, 
of course, chicken farmers all over the land would be filing for bankruptcy.

Defra must indeed act fast: not only to prevent an epidemic, but also to ram 
home the message that you cannot catch bird flu by eating poultry.

Avian flu is not a food-borne virus; the livelihood of 2,500 farmers depends 
on public awareness of this fact. Perhaps the Government should adopt the 
slogan of an irritating ad campaign of a few years ago: make it chicken 
tonight.

============
small note - Mr Oxford seems to have been widely reported saying that 
keeping birds inside will stop the virus entering the country -- how does he 
work that one out? Its patently untrue.
Seems like some self-publicising going on - if he is a Prof he should know 
better.

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" Jill"  wrote in message 
news:43fa2580$0$82670$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...
> The danger of Defra
> (Filed: 20/02/2006)
>
> Only one section of the British public has any excuse, so far, to panic 
> about the worldwide spread of the H5N1 variety of bird flu, and that is 
> our nation's poultry farmers.
>
<snip>

Yes, yes. Britain's children and parents have nothing to worry about.

A rather sad doomsday cult chicken breeder tells us all is well.

Over reaching yourself again, are you not?

Why don't you take official advice - get ready to get your poultry in. If 
you can't so that, you have no option but to cull.

All the local lads down here, that I know, are reconciled to putting people 
before profit. One told me yesterday - "one case of Bird Flu and the lot are 
being culled."


-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
www.go-self-sufficient.com


>

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:24:31 -0000, " Jill" 
wrote:

>small note - Mr Oxford seems to have been widely reported saying that 
>keeping birds inside will stop the virus entering the country -- how does he 
>work that one out? Its patently untrue.
>Seems like some self-publicising going on - if he is a Prof he should know 
>better.

Prof John Oxford is a virologist. He knows about viruses in human bodies
and how to treat them. He is not, as far as I can see, an
epidemiologist.

Unfortunately, like many experts, he can fall flat on his face when he
moves outside his specialist field. This happens with experts so
frequently that it is depressing. Their reasoning can become worse than
that of an intelligent layperson, because they seem not to THINK. They
have the necessary intellectual ability but they don't use it.

[End of rant - I feel better now!]
-- 
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from ukba)

On Monday, in article
     <43fa2580$0$82670$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>
     newsNOSPAM@kintaline.co.uk " Jill" wrote:

> The danger of Defra
> (Filed: 20/02/2006)
> 

[snippage]

> Defra must indeed act fast: not only to prevent an epidemic, but also to ram 
> home the message that you cannot catch bird flu by eating poultry.
> 
> Avian flu is not a food-borne virus; the livelihood of 2,500 farmers depends 
> on public awareness of this fact. Perhaps the Government should adopt the 
> slogan of an irritating ad campaign of a few years ago: make it chicken 
> tonight.
> 
> ============
> small note - Mr Oxford seems to have been widely reported saying that 
> keeping birds inside will stop the virus entering the country -- how does he 
> work that one out? Its patently untrue.
> Seems like some self-publicising going on - if he is a Prof he should know 
> better.

And I'm not sure how anyone can really know if that chicken they're 
being urged to eat was ever really British.



-- 
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold.  "You are Number Six."

Peter Duncanson  wrote in 
news:taikv11fo0hcif1cd5oiv8ab04slrvnsc2@4ax.com:

> Unfortunately, like many experts, he can fall flat on his face when he
> moves outside his specialist field. This happens with experts so
> frequently that it is depressing. Their reasoning can become worse than
> that of an intelligent layperson, because they seem not to THINK. They
> have the necessary intellectual ability but they don't use it.

An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he 
eventually knows absolutely everything about nothing at all.

I'd have thought you'd have known that!<g>

Derry

In message 
Peter Duncanson wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:24:31 -0000, " Jill" 
> wrote:

> >small note - Mr Oxford seems to have been widely reported saying that 
> >keeping birds inside will stop the virus entering the country -- how
> >does he 
> >work that one out? Its patently untrue.
> >Seems like some self-publicising going on - if he is a Prof he should know 
> >better.

> Prof John Oxford is a virologist. He knows about viruses in human bodies
> and how to treat them. He is not, as far as I can see, an
> epidemiologist.

> Unfortunately, like many experts, he can fall flat on his face when he
> moves outside his specialist field. This happens with experts so
> frequently that it is depressing. Their reasoning can become worse than
> that of an intelligent layperson, because they seem not to THINK. They
> have the necessary intellectual ability but they don't use it.

Watched an interview with one of those, broadcast on Newsnight yesterday
evening. I think it was Prof. Oxford - anyway, according to my memory of
what the guy said, housing poultry isn't rocket science, just a matter
of [I think I'm quoting this part accurately] "getting a few chickens
into huts".

I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)

-- 
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk

Linda Sutherland wrote:
> Watched an interview with one of those, broadcast on Newsnight
> yesterday evening. I think it was Prof. Oxford - anyway, according to
> my memory of what the guy said, housing poultry isn't rocket science,
> just a matter of [I think I'm quoting this part accurately] "getting
> a few chickens into huts".
>
> I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)


I am very glad I missed that one!
We might be one telly less

-- 


regards
Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment,  Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

On Tuesday, in article
     <43fae164$0$82651$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>
     newsNOSPAM@kintaline.co.uk " Jill" wrote:

> Linda Sutherland wrote:
> > Watched an interview with one of those, broadcast on Newsnight
> > yesterday evening. I think it was Prof. Oxford - anyway, according to
> > my memory of what the guy said, housing poultry isn't rocket science,
> > just a matter of [I think I'm quoting this part accurately] "getting
> > a few chickens into huts".
> >
> > I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)
> 
> 
> I am very glad I missed that one!
> We might be one telly less

Did you see that video, a week or two back, about Microsoft developing a 
bug-reporting system giving direct feedback from user to programmer?

I sometimes wonder what would happen if "Question Time" picked up some 
elements from "The Golden Shot" and "Big Brother".

-- 
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold.  "You are Number Six."

"David G. Bell" wrote:
>>> accurately] "getting a few chickens into huts".
>>>
>>> I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)
>>
>>
>> I am very glad I missed that one!
>> We might be one telly less
>
> Did you see that video, a week or two back, about Microsoft
> developing a bug-reporting system giving direct feedback from user to
> programmer?
>
> I sometimes wonder what would happen if "Question Time" picked up some
> elements from "The Golden Shot" and "Big Brother".

LOL  - really

 I needed that



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Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment,  Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

On 21 Feb 2006 08:45:45 GMT, Derry Argue  wrote:

>Peter Duncanson  wrote in 
>news:taikv11fo0hcif1cd5oiv8ab04slrvnsc2@4ax.com:
>
>> Unfortunately, like many experts, he can fall flat on his face when he
>> moves outside his specialist field. This happens with experts so
>> frequently that it is depressing. Their reasoning can become worse than
>> that of an intelligent layperson, because they seem not to THINK. They
>> have the necessary intellectual ability but they don't use it.
>
>An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he 
>eventually knows absolutely everything about nothing at all.
>
>I'd have thought you'd have known that!<g>
>
Sorry. That's outside my area of expertise!<g>
-- 
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from ukba)

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:23:06 GMT, Linda Sutherland
 wrote:

>Watched an interview with one of those, broadcast on Newsnight yesterday
>evening. I think it was Prof. Oxford - anyway, according to my memory of
>what the guy said, housing poultry isn't rocket science, just a matter
>of [I think I'm quoting this part accurately] "getting a few chickens
>into huts".
>
>I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)

Let's just hope no chickens were watching.
-- 
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from ukba)

In message , David G. Bell 
 writes

>Did you see that video, a week or two back, about Microsoft developing a
>bug-reporting system giving direct feedback from user to programmer?

Huh! XPhome already does this. Every time I find a glitch it offers the 
opportunity to send a report. What with un-notified software *upgrades* 
and regular glitch reports I spend more money dialling home to Microsoft 
than posting to newsgroups:-(

regards

-- 
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message , David G. Bell
>  writes
>
>> Did you see that video, a week or two back, about Microsoft
>> developing a bug-reporting system giving direct feedback from user
>> to programmer?
>
> Huh! XPhome already does this. Every time I find a glitch it offers
> the opportunity to send a report.

flaming annoying innit ?
always press don;t send
I believe there is a way to turn it off but have not had enough glitches yet 
to make me go and look
:~)
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regards
Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment,  Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

In message 
Peter Duncanson wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:23:06 GMT, Linda Sutherland
>  wrote:

> >Watched an interview with one of those, broadcast on Newsnight yesterday
> >evening. I think it was Prof. Oxford - anyway, according to my memory of
> >what the guy said, housing poultry isn't rocket science, just a matter
> >of [I think I'm quoting this part accurately] "getting a few chickens
> >into huts".
> >
> >I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)

> Let's just hope no chickens were watching.

Or he could end up henpecked? 

-- 
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk

Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>> accurately] "getting a few chickens into huts".
>>>
>>> I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)
>
>> Let's just hope no chickens were watching.
>
> Or he could end up henpecked?

or Goosed?

-- 


regards
Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment,  Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

Jill wrote:
> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>> accurately] "getting a few chickens into huts".
>>>>
>>>> I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)
>>> Let's just hope no chickens were watching.
>> Or he could end up henpecked?
> 
> or Goosed?
> 

or swanning about at a loose end?

-- 
Howard Neil

On 21 Feb 2006 08:45:45 GMT, Derry Argue  wrote:
> Peter Duncanson  wrote in 
> news:taikv11fo0hcif1cd5oiv8ab04slrvnsc2@4ax.com:
>
>> Unfortunately, like many experts, he can fall flat on his face when he
>> moves outside his specialist field. This happens with experts so
>> frequently that it is depressing. Their reasoning can become worse than
>> that of an intelligent layperson, because they seem not to THINK. They
>> have the necessary intellectual ability but they don't use it.
>
> An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he 
> eventually knows absolutely everything about nothing at all.
>
> I'd have thought you'd have known that!<g>
>
> Derry

I was talking to a lady yesterday that got her hips done some years
ago, and found it very hard to get going again, every so often to the
hospital to see varieties of specialists. Eventually, she went to her
G.P. for some ordinary problem, he looked at her foot, said `You have
cancer in that toe', she got the toe removed and is getting to walk
again. 


-- 
greymaus

Whilst tramping through the verdant pastures of uk.business.agriculture
I read that Jill  had thusly written
in <news:43fb20df$0$6985$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
on Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:11:10 -0000:
<->
> I believe there is a way to turn it off but have not had enough glitches yet 
> to make me go and look
>:~)

Right-click "My Computer"
Select the "Advanced" tab
Selct the button toward the bottom-right entitled "Error Reporting"

The options presented are pretty much self-explantory.

-- 
Strength is the capacity to break a chocolate bar into four pieces
and then eat just one of them.
{Judith Viorst}

Bootlaces wrote:
> Whilst tramping through the verdant pastures of uk.business.agriculture
> I read that Jill  had thusly written
> in <news:43fb20df$0$6985$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
> on Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:11:10 -0000:
> <->
>> I believe there is a way to turn it off but have not had enough glitches yet 
>> to make me go and look
>> :~)
> 
> Right-click "My Computer"
> Select the "Advanced" tab
> Selct the button toward the bottom-right entitled "Error Reporting"
> 
> The options presented are pretty much self-explantory.
> 
Alternatively use Computer Management to delete the entire foetid mess 
and install something that works.

Bootlaces wrote:
> Whilst tramping through the verdant pastures of
> uk.business.agriculture I read that Jill 
> had thusly written
> in <news:43fb20df$0$6985$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
> on Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:11:10 -0000:
> <->
>> I believe there is a way to turn it off but have not had enough
>> glitches yet to make me go and look
>> :~)
>
> Right-click "My Computer"
> Select the "Advanced" tab
> Selct the button toward the bottom-right entitled "Error Reporting"
>
> The options presented are pretty much self-explantory.

I thank you

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regards
Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment,  Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk


-- 


regards
Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment,  Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

Whilst tramping through the verdant pastures of uk.business.agriculture
I read that Steve Firth <@malloc.co.uk> had thusly written
in <news:dtfpns$g6g$1@genet.malloc.co.uk>
on Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:24:23 +0000:

> Bootlaces wrote:
>> Whilst tramping through the verdant pastures of uk.business.agriculture
>> I read that Jill  had thusly written
>> in <news:43fb20df$0$6985$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>> on Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:11:10 -0000:
>> <->
>>> I believe there is a way to turn it off but have not had enough glitches yet 
>>> to make me go and look
>>> :~)
>> 
>> Right-click "My Computer"
>> Select the "Advanced" tab
>> Selct the button toward the bottom-right entitled "Error Reporting"
>> 
>> The options presented are pretty much self-explantory.
>> 
> Alternatively use Computer Management to delete the entire foetid mess 
> and install something that works.

Mine works <g>

I /could/ get into discussion about Gb device drivers for *ix that don't
work as they should. Or graphics cards that "report" that they support
configurations that they don't. And other such.<g>

-- 
Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents
and everyone is writing a book.
{Cicero}

Bootlaces  writes

>Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents
>and everyone is writing a book.
>{Cicero}

Utterly superb .sig!

-- 
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.

Thus spake Oz 
>Bootlaces  writes
>
>>Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents
>>and everyone is writing a book.
>>{Cicero}
>
>Utterly superb .sig!
>
What, you mean "Cicero"? Yes I'd like one like that.


Regards

-- 
Charles Francis
Please reply by name

Thus spake Howard Neil 
> Jill wrote:
>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>>> accurately] "getting a few chickens into huts".
>>>>>
>>>>> I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)
>>>> Let's just hope no chickens were watching.
>>> Or he could end up henpecked?
>>  or Goosed?
>>
>
>or swanning about at a loose end?
>
The birdbrains are at it again.


Regards

-- 
Charles Francis
Please reply by name

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
 wrote:

>Thus spake Howard Neil 
>> Jill wrote:
>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>>>> accurately] "getting a few chickens into huts".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)
>>>>> Let's just hope no chickens were watching.
>>>> Or he could end up henpecked?
>>>  or Goosed?
>>>
>>
>>or swanning about at a loose end?
>>
>The birdbrains are at it again.
>
A cheep shot.

(Watch out, Dick Cheney's about.)
-- 
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from ukba)

Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
> wrote:
>
>>Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>> Jill wrote:
>>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>>>>> accurately] "getting a few chickens into huts".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)
>>>>>> Let's just hope no chickens were watching.
>>>>> Or he could end up henpecked?
>>>>  or Goosed?
>>>>
>>>
>>>or swanning about at a loose end?
>>>
>>The birdbrains are at it again.
>>
>A cheep shot.

paid for in starling.


Regards

-- 
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Please reply by name

Whilst tramping through the verdant pastures of uk.business.agriculture
I read that Oz  had thusly written
in <news:0clC$WAnz$+DFwQW@farmeroz.port995.com>
on Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:55:51 +0000:

> Bootlaces  writes
> 
>>Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents
>>and everyone is writing a book.
>>{Cicero}
> 
> Utterly superb .sig!

Some things are timeless. Including problems with the plusnet
newsservers.

But I'm sure I've used it before, and you haven't commented< shrug>.
Where have you been? Or (more importantly) where have I been? Have I
been in Oz's k/f again? <g>

-- 
If you have a lot of tension and you get a headache,
do what it says on the aspirin bottle:
"Take two aspirin" and "Keep away from children".
{A mum}

Charles Francis wrote:
> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>>> Jill wrote:
>>>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>>>>>> accurately] "getting a few chickens into huts".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)
>>>>>>> Let's just hope no chickens were watching.
>>>>>> Or he could end up henpecked?
>>>>>  or Goosed?
>>>>>
>>>> or swanning about at a loose end?
>>>>
>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>>>
>> A cheep shot.
> 
> paid for in starling.

Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.

-- 
Howard Neil

In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
Howard Neil wrote:
> Charles Francis wrote:
> > Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
> >> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
> >>>> Jill wrote:
> >>>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
> >>>>>>>> accurately] "getting a few chickens into huts".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)
> >>>>>>> Let's just hope no chickens were watching.
> >>>>>> Or he could end up henpecked?
> >>>>>  or Goosed?
> >>>>>
> >>>> or swanning about at a loose end?
> >>>>
> >>> The birdbrains are at it again.
> >>>
> >> A cheep shot.
> > 
> > paid for in starling.

> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.

You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?

-- 
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk

Bootlaces  writes

>But I'm sure I've used it before, and you haven't commented< shrug>.

I don't generally bother to read people's .sig

>Where have you been? 

Er, here?

>Or (more importantly) where have I been? 

Er, there?

>Have I
>been in Oz's k/f again? <g>

You aren't stupid enough.

-- 
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.

Linda Sutherland wrote:
> In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
> Howard Neil wrote:
>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>

>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>>>>>
>>>> A cheep shot.
>>> paid for in starling.
> 
>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
> 
> You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
> 

No, he'd only crow about it.

-- 
Howard Neil

Thus spake Linda Sutherland 
>In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>Howard Neil wrote:
>> Charles Francis wrote:
>> > Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>> >> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>> >>>> Jill wrote:
>> >>>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> accurately] "getting a few chickens into huts".
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I found myself wondering if Jill was watching. :-)
>> >>>>>>> Let's just hope no chickens were watching.
>> >>>>>> Or he could end up henpecked?
>> >>>>>  or Goosed?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> or swanning about at a loose end?
>> >>>>
>> >>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>> >>>
>> >> A cheep shot.
>> >
>> > paid for in starling.
>
>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
>
>You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
>
I wouldn't crow about it if I had.


Regards

-- 
Charles Francis
Please reply by name

Thus spake Howard Neil 
>Linda Sutherland wrote:
>> In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>
>>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>>>>>>
>>>>> A cheep shot.
>>>> paid for in starling.
>>
>>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
>>  You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
>>
>
>No, he'd only crow about it.
>
But I might parrot what you say.


Regards

-- 
Charles Francis
Please reply by name

Charles Francis wrote:
> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>> In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> A cheep shot.
>>>>> paid for in starling.
>>>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
>>>  You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
>>>
>> No, he'd only crow about it.
>>
> But I might parrot what you say.

Trying to fly a kite?

-- 
Howard Neil

Thus spake Howard Neil 
>Charles Francis wrote:
>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>> In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A cheep shot.
>>>>>> paid for in starling.
>>>>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
>>>>  You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
>>>>
>>> No, he'd only crow about it.
>>>
>> But I might parrot what you say.
>
>Trying to fly a kite?
>
I'll have to swallow my pride


Regards

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Charles Francis wrote:
> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>>> In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>>>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A cheep shot.
>>>>>>> paid for in starling.
>>>>>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
>>>>>  You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
>>>>>
>>>> No, he'd only crow about it.
>>>>
>>> But I might parrot what you say.
>> Trying to fly a kite?
>>
> I'll have to swallow my pride

Well, if you don't want to look a bit of a tit.

-- 
Howard Neil

Charles Francis wrote:
> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>>> In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>>>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A cheep shot.
>>>>>>> paid for in starling.
>>>>>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
>>>>>  You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
>>>>>
>>>> No, he'd only crow about it.
>>>>
>>> But I might parrot what you say.
>>
>> Trying to fly a kite?
>>
> I'll have to swallow my pride
>
Swiftly!

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regards
Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment,  Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

Whilst tramping through the verdant pastures of uk.business.agriculture
I read that Oz  had thusly written
in <news:05iSGvB+tK$DFwKD@farmeroz.port995.com>
on Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:20:46 +0000:

> Bootlaces  writes
> 
>>But I'm sure I've used it before, and you haven't commented< shrug>.
> 
> I don't generally bother to read people's .sig
> 
>>Where have you been? 
> 
> Er, here?
> 
>>Or (more importantly) where have I been? 
> 
> Er, there?
> 
>>Have I
>>been in Oz's k/f again? <g>
> 
> You aren't stupid enough.

Don't you believe it!

Tangent - are you still with Metronet? Or have you moved since their
borging by Plusnet?

-- 
DIVORCE.BAT found
deleting C:\MARRIAGE\SPOUSE

Thus spake Howard Neil 
>Charles Francis wrote:
>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>>>> In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>>>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A cheep shot.
>>>>>>>> paid for in starling.
>>>>>>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
>>>>>>  You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, he'd only crow about it.
>>>>>
>>>> But I might parrot what you say.
>>> Trying to fly a kite?
>>>
>> I'll have to swallow my pride
>
>Well, if you don't want to look a bit of a tit.
>
I'd rather take a gander at one.


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Charles Francis
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Bootlaces  writes

>Tangent - are you still with Metronet? Or have you moved since their
>borging by Plusnet?

Still with metronet as apart from some very short glitches at changeover
point it seems to be fine.

-- 
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.

Charles Francis wrote:
> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>>>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>>>>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A cheep shot.
>>>>>>>>> paid for in starling.
>>>>>>>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
>>>>>>>  You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, he'd only crow about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> But I might parrot what you say.
>>>> Trying to fly a kite?
>>>>
>>> I'll have to swallow my pride
>> Well, if you don't want to look a bit of a tit.
>>
> I'd rather take a gander at one.

You'll have to be swift before it goes.

-- 
Howard Neil

Howard Neil wrote:
> Charles Francis wrote:
>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>>>>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message
>>>>>>>> <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> Howard
>>>>>>>> Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A cheep shot.
>>>>>>>>>> paid for in starling.
>>>>>>>>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
>>>>>>>>  You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, he'd only crow about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I might parrot what you say.
>>>>> Trying to fly a kite?
>>>>>
>>>> I'll have to swallow my pride
>>> Well, if you don't want to look a bit of a tit.
>>>
>> I'd rather take a gander at one.
>
> You'll have to be swift before it goes.

is there a mynah bird in here?

-- 


regards
Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment,  Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk

In message 
" Jill" wrote:

> Howard Neil wrote:
> > Charles Francis wrote:
> >> Thus spake Howard Neil 
> >>> Charles Francis wrote:
> >>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
> >>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
> >>>>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
> >>>>>>> Linda Sutherland wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In message
> >>>>>>>> <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> Howard
> >>>>>>>> Neil wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Charles Francis wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
> >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> A cheep shot.
> >>>>>>>>>> paid for in starling.
> >>>>>>>>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
> >>>>>>>>  You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No, he'd only crow about it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> But I might parrot what you say.
> >>>>> Trying to fly a kite?
> >>>>>
> >>>> I'll have to swallow my pride
> >>> Well, if you don't want to look a bit of a tit.
> >>>
> >> I'd rather take a gander at one.
> >
> > You'll have to be swift before it goes.

> is there a mynah bird in here?

Cor, morant more?

-- 
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk

"Charles Francis"  wrote in message
news:uOvEnnWTBL$DFwa+@charlesfrancis.wanadoo.co.uk...
> Thus spake Howard Neil 
> >Linda Sutherland wrote:
> >> In message <43fca27d$0$6958$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
> >> Howard Neil wrote:
> >>> Charles Francis wrote:
> >>>> Thus spake Peter Duncanson 
> >>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:24:48 +0000, Charles Francis
> >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >
> >>>>>> The birdbrains are at it again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> A cheep shot.
> >>>> paid for in starling.
> >>
> >>> Just as long as it wasn't 'alf 'inched.
> >>  You're not suspecting him of robin, are you?
> >>
> >
> >No, he'd only crow about it.
> >
> But I might parrot what you say.

some legal eagle would just pick up on it
--

Jim Webster.
 Pat Gardiner,  Five years raving about bent vets and still no result

Oz wrote:
> Bootlaces  writes
>
>> Tangent - are you still with Metronet? Or have you moved since their
>> borging by Plusnet?
>
> Still with metronet as apart from some very short glitches at
> changeover point it seems to be fine.

My colleague says the same but there are mutterings about,  The latest seems 
to be related to payment.

-- 
Old Codger
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What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make people 
believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

Jill wrote:
> Howard Neil wrote:

>> You'll have to be swift before it goes.
> 
> is there a mynah bird in here?
> 

I think our ideas were pigeon-holed.

-- 
Howard Neil

Howard Neil wrote:
>   Jill wrote:
>> Howard Neil wrote:
> 
>>> You'll have to be swift before it goes.
>> 
>> is there a mynah bird in here?
>> 
> 
> I think our ideas were pigeon-holed.

JAYsus, either that or we've all gone cuckoo.

-- 
Holly, in France
Gite to let in Dordogne, now with pool.
http://la-plaine.chez-alice.fr

Holly, in France wrote:
> Howard Neil wrote:
>>   Jill wrote:
>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>> You'll have to be swift before it goes.
>>> is there a mynah bird in here?
>>>
>> I think our ideas were pigeon-holed.
> 
> JAYsus, either that or we've all gone cuckoo.
> 

eggsactly.

-- 
Howard Neil

Thus spake Howard Neil 
>Holly, in France wrote:
>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>   Jill wrote:
>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>> You'll have to be swift before it goes.
>>>> is there a mynah bird in here?
>>>>
>>> I think our ideas were pigeon-holed.
>>  JAYsus, either that or we've all gone cuckoo.
>>
>
>eggsactly.
>
Sniping again?


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In message <43fdae53$0$82629$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>
Howard Neil wrote:

> Holly, in France wrote:
> > Howard Neil wrote:
> >>   Jill wrote:
> >>> Howard Neil wrote:
> >>>> You'll have to be swift before it goes.
> >>> is there a mynah bird in here?
> >>>
> >> I think our ideas were pigeon-holed.
> > 
> > JAYsus, either that or we've all gone cuckoo.
> > 

> eggsactly.

that reminds me of a quacking site. Contributors to this subthread
especially will be raven about it, I'm sure  ...

http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/

-- 
Linda Sutherland
linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk

Charles Francis wrote:
> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>> Holly, in France wrote:
>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>   Jill wrote:
>>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>> You'll have to be swift before it goes.
>>>>> is there a mynah bird in here?
>>>>>
>>>> I think our ideas were pigeon-holed.
>>>  JAYsus, either that or we've all gone cuckoo.
>>>
>> eggsactly.
>>
> Sniping again?

Just yoking


-- 
Howard Neil

Thus spake Howard Neil 
>Charles Francis wrote:
>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>> Holly, in France wrote:
>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>   Jill wrote:
>>>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>>> You'll have to be swift before it goes.
>>>>>> is there a mynah bird in here?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think our ideas were pigeon-holed.
>>>>  JAYsus, either that or we've all gone cuckoo.
>>>>
>>> eggsactly.
>>>
>> Sniping again?
>
>Just yoking
>
>
Getting egg on your face


Regards

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Charles Francis
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Charles Francis wrote:
> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>>> Holly, in France wrote:
>>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>>   Jill wrote:
>>>>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>> You'll have to be swift before it goes.
>>>>>>> is there a mynah bird in here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think our ideas were pigeon-holed.
>>>>>  JAYsus, either that or we've all gone cuckoo.
>>>>>
>>>> eggsactly.
>>>>
>>> Sniping again?
>> Just yoking
>>
>>
> Getting egg on your face

Just a little shell shocked


-- 
Howard Neil

Thus spake Howard Neil 
>Charles Francis wrote:
>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>> Charles Francis wrote:
>>>> Thus spake Howard Neil 
>>>>> Holly, in France wrote:
>>>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>   Jill wrote:
>>>>>>>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You'll have to be swift before it goes.
>>>>>>>> is there a mynah bird in here?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think our ideas were pigeon-holed.
>>>>>>  JAYsus, either that or we've all gone cuckoo.
>>>>>>
>>>>> eggsactly.
>>>>>
>>>> Sniping again?
>>> Just yoking
>>>
>>>
>> Getting egg on your face
>
>Just a little shell shocked
>
>
Kookaburra laughs


Regards

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