Pat's Note: Usually seems to be associated with cattle, but this
strain is also found in pigs, and this is pig country and an area
known to  had/have  a severe PMWS epidemic.

No obvious signs of pigs from the air, but there have been several
cases where it has been found in ground water associated with
intensive farms in the US - and a long way from any lagoons.

There have been a lot of problems with E.coli in Scotland over the
last few years.

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iW3yWXtHicpMPE9yJmaLS76wXc_g

Seven cases of E.Coli investigated
1 hour ago

An investigation is under way into seven cases of E.coli in a single
village.

NHS Grampian and Aberdeenshire Council said those diagnosed with the
O157 strain shared a private water supply in eight homes in
Auchinclech, near Westhill in Aberdeenshire, in the north east of
Scotland.

The health board said there were eight other individuals with similar
symptoms and an investigation was under way. 

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:17:14 +0100, Pat Gardiner
 wrote:

>Pat's Note: Usually seems to be associated with cattle, but this
>strain is also found in pigs, and this is pig country and an area
>known to  had/have  a severe PMWS epidemic.
>
>No obvious signs of pigs from the air, but there have been several
>cases where it has been found in ground water associated with
>intensive farms in the US - and a long way from any lagoons.
>
>There have been a lot of problems with E.coli in Scotland over the
>last few years.
>
>http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iW3yWXtHicpMPE9yJmaLS76wXc_g
>
>Seven cases of E.Coli investigated
>1 hour ago
>
Pat;s Note: Pennington is suggesting cattle. That is the usual
suspect....and he was the chairman of the Welsh enquiry into a similar
outbreak that killed a child. That was traced to meat and thence to
cattle IIRC.

Incidentally,, the NHS are being very coy about admitting that
children are infected.

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2008/08/28/protecting-newborns-from-a-dangerous-threat.html

Families ill after outbreak of e-coli
Water supply suspected 
By David Ewen and Alison R
ennie

Published: 28/08/2008


ILLNESS: The outbreak has been contained to South Auchinclech.

UP TO 15 people – including children – were this afternoon being
treated for e.coli after an outbreak of the bug near Aberdeen.

Seven cases have already been confirmed with a further eight people
showing symptoms.

Public health chiefs have launched an investigation. 

They believe the source is a shared private water supply to eight
homes in South Auchinclech, near Westhill.

The e.coli bug can be a killer for young children and the elderly but
NHS Grampian refused to say what age range of people had been struck
down.

A spokesman said: “The numbers involved are so small, we are concerned
about identifying the individuals.”

Three victims were reportedly taken to hospital.

Auchinclech resident Jonathan Hamblett, 42, said the symptoms – which
include diarrhoea and vomiting – appeared about two weeks ago.

He said: “My wife Aileen had it very bad for over a week and she is
still seeing the doctor. She hasn’t eaten anything for the last six
days. 

“She has been pretty much in her bed. My three-year-old daughter has
been confirmed positive but she’s not showing any symptoms.”

Lynne Taylor, 35, said her family have been affected including her
daughters Olivia, 6, and Sophie, 5.

She said: “My husband has had it for over a week and my daughters have
had it also. They’ve had bad stomach cramps.”

E.coli has been described by NHS Grampian public health consultants as
“an important and serious infection” with “a small but significant
degree of mortality”. 

Aberdeen-based Prof Pennington, pictured, a world expert in e.coli,
said the source of the contamination was likely to be cattle manure.

He said: “There is quite a strong possibility it got washed into the
water supply by heavy rain.

“The water purification system probably got overwhelmed.”

E.coli can lead to complications which can occur several days after
the main symptoms have appeared.

Prof Pennington said: “Most people get better completely but there can
be complications with the kidneys. 

“They don’t work too well or they are turned off.”

E.coli can also affect the heart and the brain.

Prof Pennington said: “Once somebody’s been affected, we’ve just got
to keep our finger crossed.”

All householders have been advised to boil their water before drinking
or using it for preparing food. 

Aberdeenshire Council has provided advice on measures to protect the
water quality.

Anyone with diarrhoea or vomiting symptoms should be careful with
their hand hygiene and not return to work or school until 48 hours
after their symptoms have settled. 

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/

In article , Pat Gardiner 
 writes
>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:17:14 +0100, Pat Gardiner
> wrote:
>
>>Pat's Note: Usually seems to be associated with cattle, but this
>>strain is also found in pigs, and this is pig country and an area
>>known to  had/have  a severe PMWS epidemic.
>>
>>No obvious signs of pigs from the air, but there have been several
>>cases where it has been found in ground water associated with
>>intensive farms in the US - and a long way from any lagoons.
>>
>>There have been a lot of problems with E.coli in Scotland over the
>>last few years.
>>
>>http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iW3yWXtHicpMPE9yJmaLS76wXc_g
>>
>>Seven cases of E.Coli investigated
>>1 hour ago
>>
>Pat;s Note: Pennington is suggesting cattle. That is the usual
>suspect....and he was the chairman of the Welsh enquiry into a similar
>outbreak that killed a child. That was traced to meat and thence to
>cattle IIRC.
>
>Incidentally,, the NHS are being very coy about admitting that
>children are infected.
>
This was, as one would expect, dealt with at some length on BBC Scotland 
TV this evening. The source of the outbreak is a private water supply to 
a limited number of premises. The source of the e-coli getting into the 
water was cattle.

The fact that children were involved was reported without anyone being 
"coy". Indeed, children appeared in the TV report.

Pigs were not mentioned, but then why should they be when they weren't 
involved.

-- 
Malcolm

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:07:49 +0100, Malcolm
 wrote:

>
>In article , Pat Gardiner 
> writes
>>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:17:14 +0100, Pat Gardiner
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Pat's Note: Usually seems to be associated with cattle, but this
>>>strain is also found in pigs, and this is pig country and an area
>>>known to  had/have  a severe PMWS epidemic.
>>>
>>>No obvious signs of pigs from the air, but there have been several
>>>cases where it has been found in ground water associated with
>>>intensive farms in the US - and a long way from any lagoons.
>>>
>>>There have been a lot of problems with E.coli in Scotland over the
>>>last few years.
>>>
>>>http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iW3yWXtHicpMPE9yJmaLS76wXc_g
>>>
>>>Seven cases of E.Coli investigated
>>>1 hour ago
>>>
>>Pat;s Note: Pennington is suggesting cattle. That is the usual
>>suspect....and he was the chairman of the Welsh enquiry into a similar
>>outbreak that killed a child. That was traced to meat and thence to
>>cattle IIRC.
>>
>>Incidentally,, the NHS are being very coy about admitting that
>>children are infected.
>>
>This was, as one would expect, dealt with at some length on BBC Scotland 
>TV this evening. The source of the outbreak is a private water supply to 
>a limited number of premises. The source of the e-coli getting into the 
>water was cattle.
>
>The fact that children were involved was reported without anyone being 
>"coy". Indeed, children appeared in the TV report.
>
>Pigs were not mentioned, but then why should they be when they weren't 
>involved.

Exactly Malcom. The authorities tell you that were pigs were not
involved and children were. 

You are happy. I celebrate for  you.

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/

In article , Pat Gardiner 
 writes
>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:07:49 +0100, Malcolm
> wrote:
>
>>
>>In article , Pat Gardiner
>> writes
>>>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:17:14 +0100, Pat Gardiner
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Pat's Note: Usually seems to be associated with cattle, but this
>>>>strain is also found in pigs, and this is pig country and an area
>>>>known to  had/have  a severe PMWS epidemic.
>>>>
>>>>No obvious signs of pigs from the air, but there have been several
>>>>cases where it has been found in ground water associated with
>>>>intensive farms in the US - and a long way from any lagoons.
>>>>
>>>>There have been a lot of problems with E.coli in Scotland over the
>>>>last few years.
>>>>
>>>>http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iW3yWXtHicpMPE9yJmaLS76wXc_g
>>>>
>>>>Seven cases of E.Coli investigated
>>>>1 hour ago
>>>>
>>>Pat;s Note: Pennington is suggesting cattle. That is the usual
>>>suspect....and he was the chairman of the Welsh enquiry into a similar
>>>outbreak that killed a child. That was traced to meat and thence to
>>>cattle IIRC.
>>>
>>>Incidentally,, the NHS are being very coy about admitting that
>>>children are infected.
>>>
>>This was, as one would expect, dealt with at some length on BBC Scotland
>>TV this evening. The source of the outbreak is a private water supply to
>>a limited number of premises. The source of the e-coli getting into the
>>water was cattle.
>>
>>The fact that children were involved was reported without anyone being
>>"coy". Indeed, children appeared in the TV report.
>>
>>Pigs were not mentioned, but then why should they be when they weren't
>>involved.
>
>Exactly Malcom. The authorities tell you that were pigs were not
>involved and children were.
>
>You are happy. I celebrate for  you.
>
You should celebrate the fact that pigs are not involved. You would 
create some sort of a record if you accepted that simple fact.


-- 
Malcolm

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:06:56 +0100, Malcolm
 wrote:

>
>In article , Pat Gardiner 
> writes
>>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:07:49 +0100, Malcolm
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>In article , Pat Gardiner
>>> writes
>>>>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:17:14 +0100, Pat Gardiner
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Pat's Note: Usually seems to be associated with cattle, but this
>>>>>strain is also found in pigs, and this is pig country and an area
>>>>>known to  had/have  a severe PMWS epidemic.
>>>>>
>>>>>No obvious signs of pigs from the air, but there have been several
>>>>>cases where it has been found in ground water associated with
>>>>>intensive farms in the US - and a long way from any lagoons.
>>>>>
>>>>>There have been a lot of problems with E.coli in Scotland over the
>>>>>last few years.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iW3yWXtHicpMPE9yJmaLS76wXc_g
>>>>>
>>>>>Seven cases of E.Coli investigated
>>>>>1 hour ago
>>>>>
>>>>Pat;s Note: Pennington is suggesting cattle. That is the usual
>>>>suspect....and he was the chairman of the Welsh enquiry into a similar
>>>>outbreak that killed a child. That was traced to meat and thence to
>>>>cattle IIRC.
>>>>
>>>>Incidentally,, the NHS are being very coy about admitting that
>>>>children are infected.
>>>>
>>>This was, as one would expect, dealt with at some length on BBC Scotland
>>>TV this evening. The source of the outbreak is a private water supply to
>>>a limited number of premises. The source of the e-coli getting into the
>>>water was cattle.
>>>
>>>The fact that children were involved was reported without anyone being
>>>"coy". Indeed, children appeared in the TV report.
>>>
>>>Pigs were not mentioned, but then why should they be when they weren't
>>>involved.
>>
>>Exactly Malcom. The authorities tell you that were pigs were not
>>involved and children were.
>>
>>You are happy. I celebrate for  you.
>>
>You should celebrate the fact that pigs are not involved. You would 
>create some sort of a record if you accepted that simple fact.

You just have to accept the fact that, from bitter experience, I would
not automatically trust any scientist involved in animal health.

Especially any  scientist with any links to the Scottish Executive.

I'm sure some of them are honest, but they failed to kick out the
crooks and the people of Scotland are first to suffer.

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:36:27 +0100, Pat Gardiner
 wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:07:49 +0100, Malcolm
> wrote:
>
>>
>>In article , Pat Gardiner 
>> writes
>>>On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:17:14 +0100, Pat Gardiner
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Pat's Note: Usually seems to be associated with cattle, but this
>>>>strain is also found in pigs, and this is pig country and an area
>>>>known to  had/have  a severe PMWS epidemic.
>>>>
>>>>No obvious signs of pigs from the air, but there have been several
>>>>cases where it has been found in ground water associated with
>>>>intensive farms in the US - and a long way from any lagoons.
>>>>
>>>>There have been a lot of problems with E.coli in Scotland over the
>>>>last few years.
>>>>
>>>>http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iW3yWXtHicpMPE9yJmaLS76wXc_g
>>>>
>>>>Seven cases of E.Coli investigated
>>>>1 hour ago
>>>>
>>>Pat;s Note: Pennington is suggesting cattle. That is the usual
>>>suspect....and he was the chairman of the Welsh enquiry into a similar
>>>outbreak that killed a child. That was traced to meat and thence to
>>>cattle IIRC.
>>>
>>>Incidentally,, the NHS are being very coy about admitting that
>>>children are infected.
>>>
>>This was, as one would expect, dealt with at some length on BBC Scotland 
>>TV this evening. The source of the outbreak is a private water supply to 
>>a limited number of premises. The source of the e-coli getting into the 
>>water was cattle.
>>
>>The fact that children were involved was reported without anyone being 
>>"coy". Indeed, children appeared in the TV report.
>>
>>Pigs were not mentioned, but then why should they be when they weren't 
>>involved.
>
>Exactly Malcom. The authorities tell you that were pigs were not
>involved and children were. 
>
>You are happy. I celebrate for  you.

Perhaps, I celebrated a touch too early.

Aberdeen, is it seems the E.Coli capital of the UK. It even has its
own Conference of the subject with Hugh Pennington, the E.Coli expert
in the Chair.

The Aberdeen area is also pig country and the pigs are known to be
sick with mutated PMWS. That is the pig disease that the Swedes have
given up all hope of eradicating. 

Mutated PMWS requires huge quantities of antibiotiucs merely to keep
the pigs alive.

No, I think I will give up celebrating and worry again about human and
animal health in Scotland. There seems to be a reluctance to talk
about pig health. Funny that.

Source:

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hQefglgJ6HtTl8r8Jl8qPuGyzPOg

"The 850 delegates from 50 countries will also hear of research at the
University of Aberdeen that shows E.coli infections in humans are more
likely to have come from cattle than sheep.

It is hoped this will help in the fight against the bug, which is more
common in north east Scotland than anywhere else in the UK."

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/