An unusually good source of information on the history of circoviruses
in Britain can be traced month by month in the NADIS reports.

It is not light reading for the general public, but usually offers a
picture of the current state of affairs from a non government vet
perspective, and often reflects their doubts, uncertainties and lack
of solid data.

It always opens with a slightly offputting emphasis on matters
financial rather than strictly veterinary in respect of pigs, perhaps
reflecting the preoccupations of both the industry and their  Defra
bosses.

Despite this it shows a widening gap between vets in the field and the
presentation on the state of pig heath preferred by the Defra spin
machine,

Report have been increasingly open about PMWS - Circovirus in Britain,
no doubt reflecting the worries about  the association between
antibiotic use to deal with PMWS - Circovirus and the MRSA. situation
in both pigs and people - now in poultry too.

One has the remeber that if "piggy" MRSA is in Britain's pigs,
Britain's vets are amongst those most at risk of infection. 

They can't be very happy, can they?

The July edition has just been published and betrays some doubts about
the efficiency of the vaccine now often being  promoted as the
solution to all the problems.

You can read the current and past reports  for yourselves.

http://www.nadis.org.uk/On%20the%20Farm/ONTHEF_1.HTM

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/

On Aug 1, 5:27 am, Pat Gardiner 
wrote:
> An unusually good source of information on the history of circoviruses
> in Britain can be traced month by month in the NADIS reports.
>
> It is not light reading for the general public, but usually offers a
> picture of the current state of affairs from a non government vet
> perspective, and often reflects their doubts, uncertainties and lack
> of solid data.
>
> It always opens with a slightly offputting emphasis on matters
> financial rather than strictly veterinary in respect of pigs, perhaps
> reflecting the preoccupations of both the industry and their  Defra
> bosses.
>
> Despite this it shows a widening gap between vets in the field and the
> presentation on the state of pig heath preferred by the Defra spin
> machine,
>
> Report have been increasingly open about PMWS - Circovirus in Britain,
> no doubt reflecting the worries about  the association between
> antibiotic use to deal with PMWS - Circovirus and the MRSA. situation
> in both pigs and people - now in poultry too.
>
> One has the remeber that if "piggy" MRSA is in Britain's pigs,
> Britain's vets are amongst those most at risk of infection.
>
> They can't be very happy, can they?
>
> The July edition has just been published and betrays some doubts about
> the efficiency of the vaccine now often being  promoted as the
> solution to all the problems.
>
> You can read the current and past reports  for yourselves.
>
> http://www.nadis.org.uk/On%20the%20Farm/ONTHEF_1.HTM
>
> --
> Regards
> Pat Gardiner
> Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!www.go-self-sufficient.com andhttp://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/

Dear Pat:   Absolutely amazing, what is going on here in the USA,
regarding these same issues vs. the way your UK folks are treating
them.   The longer you folks continue to sweep the dirt under the rug,
the worse off you are going to be........this latest news about C.
Diff in Ireland is BAD NEWS.    Your EU counterparts aren't helping
much either.
It's almost as if they want to report human deaths, rather than
address the problems.

Burkie

On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:06:38 -0700 (PDT), Burkie 
wrote:

>On Aug 1, 5:27 am, Pat Gardiner 
>wrote:
>> An unusually good source of information on the history of circoviruses
>> in Britain can be traced month by month in the NADIS reports.
>>
>> It is not light reading for the general public, but usually offers a
>> picture of the current state of affairs from a non government vet
>> perspective, and often reflects their doubts, uncertainties and lack
>> of solid data.
>>
>> It always opens with a slightly offputting emphasis on matters
>> financial rather than strictly veterinary in respect of pigs, perhaps
>> reflecting the preoccupations of both the industry and their  Defra
>> bosses.
>>
>> Despite this it shows a widening gap between vets in the field and the
>> presentation on the state of pig heath preferred by the Defra spin
>> machine,
>>
>> Report have been increasingly open about PMWS - Circovirus in Britain,
>> no doubt reflecting the worries about  the association between
>> antibiotic use to deal with PMWS - Circovirus and the MRSA. situation
>> in both pigs and people - now in poultry too.
>>
>> One has the remeber that if "piggy" MRSA is in Britain's pigs,
>> Britain's vets are amongst those most at risk of infection.
>>
>> They can't be very happy, can they?
>>
>> The July edition has just been published and betrays some doubts about
>> the efficiency of the vaccine now often being  promoted as the
>> solution to all the problems.
>>
>> You can read the current and past reports  for yourselves.
>>
>> http://www.nadis.org.uk/On%20the%20Farm/ONTHEF_1.HTM
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Pat Gardiner
>> Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!www.go-self-sufficient.com andhttp://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/
>
>Dear Pat:   Absolutely amazing, what is going on here in the USA,
>regarding these same issues vs. the way your UK folks are treating
>them.   The longer you folks continue to sweep the dirt under the rug,
>the worse off you are going to be........this latest news about C.
>Diff in Ireland is BAD NEWS.    Your EU counterparts aren't helping
>much either.
>It's almost as if they want to report human deaths, rather than
>address the problems.
>
>Burkie

There are reasons and they can be grouped by country.

The EU generally are not much good, in my opinion, but that is a
political view. I just don't think the structure is right. 

I'm anti-EU and it stuck in the gullet to have to go to them to get
protection in my own country, but it was that or political asylum. The
continentals  have, up to now, handled MRSA in pigs reaching humans
brilliantly. C.Diff, if it is pigs, may not be the same story.

The US is influenced by big business, of course, and has been very
slow off the mark. Especially since I was in touch with what is now
your border security. I got the firm impression (this was before human
implications were widely known) that they were very uncomfortable with
getting involved. Whether they knew they already had PMWS in their
pigs from Britain I don't know. They were friendly enough and I did
get one valuable tip "follow the money trail."

Britain, Ireland and Canada, perhaps NZ too, form a group. They had
and have shared interests and shared faults. It runs deep. Murdoch
knows exactly what they are and is probably using it for his own
purposes. From a practical point of view, during the early days of
mutated PMWS they were shipping pigs backwards and forwards like ping
pong balls and all have long established government run health
services.

On balance it is down to your people. The federal people look pretty
lethargic to me, but this is one case where the privatised health care
and greedy lawyers may prove decisive. The figures for human infection
and death in the US are massive and getting worse by the day. Your
health insurers are showing signs of exclusions.

It may be Britain's insurance companies may play a big role too. We
have to remember that employers, be they veterinary practices, pig
conglomerates, slaughter houses and hauliers, even humble butchers,
all have a duty of care to their staff. It only needs one case of MRSA
in an employee to blow the scam, providing it is not settled out of
Court with a confidentiality clause. Even then, insurers will move to
protect themselves probably by laying fresh restrictions on the
insured or excluding MRSA and perhaps C.Diff cover.

Sometimes the bigger the problem, the more people close their eyes.
History tell us that.

Normally a disaster brings out people willing and able to make money,
often misleadingly called "vultures. " Few heavyweights have emerged,
a sure sign that they can't believe what they are witnessing or feel
it too big to be predicatable for investmant.

There are fortunes to be made even by publicising the links in the
right way, even if you are unpopular for a time.

I have to pinch myself sometimes too.

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/