Pat's Note: 

What next? 

Why is the location kept secret?

Why was the similar case in England kept secret?

To save Britain's bent vets embarassment no doubt, whilst they get on
and threaten anyway likely to say anything they don't what known.

That's what you get when you fail to put the police in to deal with
obvious criminals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7519265.stm

Bovine TB outbreak in Welsh goats  
Carl Yapp 

BBC News website at the Royal Welsh Show  

 
The disease is unusual in goats, says the assembly government 
Cases of bovine TB have been found in goats in Carmarthenshire. 

The Welsh Assembly Government confirmed the outbreak and said it knew
of a similar case in England, but it is not clear if they are linked. 

The disease in goats is "unusual", and animal health officials are
checking to see if it has spread to other herds. 

The latest TB cases came as some MPs and AMs urged the assembly
government to halt plans to cull badgers, which are known to spread TB
to cattle. 

Farmers' groups believe a cull of badgers would stem a rise in cases. 

Of the outbreak in goats, Brian Walters, vice-president of the
Farmers' Union of Wales (FUW), said the news was a worrying
development, while a goat milk producer in Carmarthenshire voiced her
concerns. 

  It's another reservoir of TB that could affect the whole industry 

Brian Walters, Farmers' Union of Wales 

An assembly government spokeswoman said: "We are aware of an outbreak
of bovine TB in goats in England and Wales that includes a case in
Carmarthenshire." 

Defra's executive agency Animal Health are responsible for management
of the outbreak, as well as possible tracings to other herds. 

"Animal Health are keeping officials in the TB team at the Welsh
Assembly Government fully informed of developments with this
outbreak," said the spokeswoman. 

"A letter will shortly be published in the veterinary record
summarising the current situation and advising veterinary
practitioners of the need to consider bovine TB when investigating
goats with clinical signs suggestive of the disease. 

"The Goat Veterinary Society (GVS) has also circulated information to
its members." 

'Worrying development' 

The spokeswoman added that such outbreaks were "unusual" and, as with
all infections, they were treated seriously. 

It is not known where in Carmarthenshire the outbreak has occurred. 

The GVS on its website said the disease was first found following a
post mortem examination of a goat in Wales a few weeks ago. 

"The herd in question was in the process of being sold up due to
retirement at the time the discovery was made," writes the society's
secretary Nick Clayton to members. 

"And many of the goats from that herd went to two other herds, from
both of which stock had been sold on quite widely." 

The FUW's Mr Walters said it was a "worrying development". 

"It's another reservoir of TB that could affect the whole industry,"
he said. 

"The question is why and how did the goats pick it up?" 

Loraine Makowski-Heaton, a goat farmer from near Llandeilo,
Carmarthenshire, said people in the industry were concerned about the
outbreak. 

But she said the majority of goat milk producers, including her,
pasteurised their milk.
 
-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:19:13 +0100, Pat Gardiner
 wrote:

>Pat's Note: 
>
>What next? 
>
>Why is the location kept secret?
>
>Why was the similar case in England kept secret?
>
>To save Britain's bent vets embarassment no doubt, whilst they get on
>and threaten anyway likely to say anything they don't what known.
>
>That's what you get when you fail to put the police in to deal with
>obvious criminals.
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7519265.stm
>
>Bovine TB outbreak in Welsh goats  
>Carl Yapp 
>
>BBC News website at the Royal Welsh Show  
>
> 
>The disease is unusual in goats, says the assembly government 
>Cases of bovine TB have been found in goats in Carmarthenshire. 
>
>The Welsh Assembly Government confirmed the outbreak and said it knew
>of a similar case in England, but it is not clear if they are linked. 
>
Pat's further Note: This is not the first time the SVS have been very
secretive about bovine TB outbreaks in animals other than cattle.

Three years ago, bovine TB was reported in Cornish pigs by the BBC and
the SVS claimed not to know anything about it.

I accept that it is unusual, but we know thanks to Animal Aid that the
pigs are sick at several Cornish Farms. That will be PMWS -
Circovirus.

I can't help wondering, bearing in mind that both CSF2000 and FMD2001
originated in pigs during a hidden up PMWS epidemic, if such pigs are
especially vulnerable to other diseases.

Are there more pigs out there with bovine TB masked by PMWS?

Anyway, here is the original report. It seems once again that the BBC
know more about what is going onin animal health than Britain's bent
government vets.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/4676517.stm

Bovine TB cases are found in pigs 
Cases of bovine TB have been found in pigs in Cornwall, the BBC has
learned. 
Two pigs and some piglets from a farm near Bodmin were sent for
slaughter, but tests showed they had the disease, the owner of the
Cornish abattoir said. 

The State Veterinary Service said it had no record of when it was last
informed of a case of bovine TB, as it is not a notifiable disease in
pigs. 

The Department for the Environment, Farming and Rural Affairs (Defra)
said it was monitoring the farm. 

Farmer Martin Appleton said: "They went in three batches as I
remember. 

 Bovine TB, as far as I'm concerned, I've never experienced it in a
pig. 
Vernon Lobb, Abbatoir owner  

The first had infected heads the next batch all had infected heads and
the last one was infected with the carcass which was infected as
well." 
Mr Appleton said he thought he knew the cause of the problem." 

"Badger proofing is nearly impossible. 

"We've got open sheds either side. You can not keep it in - it will
climb or tunnel. A hungry badger will go where it wants." 

Many farmers have campaigned for badger culling but Pauline Kidner
from Secret World Wildlife Rescue disagrees. 

She said: "The disease can be latent in those animals and can then
come to the surface through stress and that how the disease can go out
into the wider circles. 

"Culling of an animal alone is not going to resolve the problem." 

Abattoir owner Vernon Lobb said he had been in the meat business all
his life and it was the first case he had heard of. 

"Bovine TB, as far as I'm concerned, I've never experienced it in a
pig." 

At the moment, about 600 Cornish cow herds are affected by the disease
and farming leaders say they hope this is an isolated case for pigs. 

BBC South West Environment Correspondent Adrian Campbell said:
"There's no risk to human health from TB in pigs and there's only a
limited risk of it spreading from this isolated farm. 

"But this discovery is unusual and unwelcome." 



-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com

On Jul 22, 1:19 pm, Pat Gardiner 
wrote:
> Pat's Note:
>
> What next?
>
> Why is the location kept secret?
>
> Why was the similar case in England kept secret?
>
> To save Britain's bent vets embarassment no doubt, whilst they get on
> and threaten anyway likely to say anything they don't what known.
>
> That's what you get when you fail to put the police in to deal with
> obvious criminals.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7519265.stm
>
> Bovine TB outbreak in Welsh goats
> Carl Yapp
>
> BBC News website at the Royal Welsh Show
>
> The disease is unusual in goats, says the assembly government
> Cases of bovine TB have been found in goats in Carmarthenshire.
>
> The Welsh Assembly Government confirmed the outbreak and said it knew
> of a similar case in England, but it is not clear if they are linked.
>
> The disease in goats is "unusual", and animal health officials are
> checking to see if it has spread to other herds.
>
> The latest TB cases came as some MPs and AMs urged the assembly
> government to halt plans to cull badgers, which are known to spread TB
> to cattle.
>
> Farmers' groups believe a cull of badgers would stem a rise in cases.
>
> Of the outbreak in goats, Brian Walters, vice-president of the
> Farmers' Union of Wales (FUW), said the news was a worrying
> development, while a goat milk producer in Carmarthenshire voiced her
> concerns.
>
>   It's another reservoir of TB that could affect the whole industry
>
> Brian Walters, Farmers' Union of Wales
>
> An assembly government spokeswoman said: "We are aware of an outbreak
> of bovine TB in goats in England and Wales that includes a case in
> Carmarthenshire."
>
> Defra's executive agency Animal Health are responsible for management
> of the outbreak, as well as possible tracings to other herds.
>
> "Animal Health are keeping officials in the TB team at the Welsh
> Assembly Government fully informed of developments with this
> outbreak," said the spokeswoman.
>
> "A letter will shortly be published in the veterinary record
> summarising the current situation and advising veterinary
> practitioners of the need to consider bovine TB when investigating
> goats with clinical signs suggestive of the disease.
>
> "The Goat Veterinary Society (GVS) has also circulated information to
> its members."
>
> 'Worrying development'
>
> The spokeswoman added that such outbreaks were "unusual" and, as with
> all infections, they were treated seriously.
>
> It is not known where in Carmarthenshire the outbreak has occurred.
>
> The GVS on its website said the disease was first found following a
> post mortem examination of a goat in Wales a few weeks ago.
>
> "The herd in question was in the process of being sold up due to
> retirement at the time the discovery was made," writes the society's
> secretary Nick Clayton to members.
>
> "And many of the goats from that herd went to two other herds, from
> both of which stock had been sold on quite widely."
>
> The FUW's Mr Walters said it was a "worrying development".
>
> "It's another reservoir of TB that could affect the whole industry,"
> he said.
>
> "The question is why and how did the goats pick it up?"
>
> Loraine Makowski-Heaton, a goat farmer from near Llandeilo,
> Carmarthenshire, said people in the industry were concerned about the
> outbreak.
>
> But she said the majority of goat milk producers, including her,
> pasteurised their milk.
>
> --
> Regards
> Pat Gardiner
> Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!www.go-self-sufficient.com

Dear Pat:   One thing you can count on when it comes to UK Animal
Health policy, is that when you think it can't get worse than things
are, it does.

Burkie

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:23:38 -0700 (PDT), Burkie 
wrote:

>On Jul 22, 1:19 pm, Pat Gardiner 
>wrote:
>> Pat's Note:
>>
>> What next?
>>
>> Why is the location kept secret?
>>
>> Why was the similar case in England kept secret?
>>
>> To save Britain's bent vets embarassment no doubt, whilst they get on
>> and threaten anyway likely to say anything they don't what known.
>>
>> That's what you get when you fail to put the police in to deal with
>> obvious criminals.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/mid/7519265.stm
>>
>> Bovine TB outbreak in Welsh goats
>> Carl Yapp
>>
>> BBC News website at the Royal Welsh Show
>>
>> The disease is unusual in goats, says the assembly government
>> Cases of bovine TB have been found in goats in Carmarthenshire.
>>
>> The Welsh Assembly Government confirmed the outbreak and said it knew
>> of a similar case in England, but it is not clear if they are linked.
>>
>> The disease in goats is "unusual", and animal health officials are
>> checking to see if it has spread to other herds.
>>
>> The latest TB cases came as some MPs and AMs urged the assembly
>> government to halt plans to cull badgers, which are known to spread TB
>> to cattle.
>>
>> Farmers' groups believe a cull of badgers would stem a rise in cases.
>>
>> Of the outbreak in goats, Brian Walters, vice-president of the
>> Farmers' Union of Wales (FUW), said the news was a worrying
>> development, while a goat milk producer in Carmarthenshire voiced her
>> concerns.
>>
>>   It's another reservoir of TB that could affect the whole industry
>>
>> Brian Walters, Farmers' Union of Wales
>>
>> An assembly government spokeswoman said: "We are aware of an outbreak
>> of bovine TB in goats in England and Wales that includes a case in
>> Carmarthenshire."
>>
>> Defra's executive agency Animal Health are responsible for management
>> of the outbreak, as well as possible tracings to other herds.
>>
>> "Animal Health are keeping officials in the TB team at the Welsh
>> Assembly Government fully informed of developments with this
>> outbreak," said the spokeswoman.
>>
>> "A letter will shortly be published in the veterinary record
>> summarising the current situation and advising veterinary
>> practitioners of the need to consider bovine TB when investigating
>> goats with clinical signs suggestive of the disease.
>>
>> "The Goat Veterinary Society (GVS) has also circulated information to
>> its members."
>>
>> 'Worrying development'
>>
>> The spokeswoman added that such outbreaks were "unusual" and, as with
>> all infections, they were treated seriously.
>>
>> It is not known where in Carmarthenshire the outbreak has occurred.
>>
>> The GVS on its website said the disease was first found following a
>> post mortem examination of a goat in Wales a few weeks ago.
>>
>> "The herd in question was in the process of being sold up due to
>> retirement at the time the discovery was made," writes the society's
>> secretary Nick Clayton to members.
>>
>> "And many of the goats from that herd went to two other herds, from
>> both of which stock had been sold on quite widely."
>>
>> The FUW's Mr Walters said it was a "worrying development".
>>
>> "It's another reservoir of TB that could affect the whole industry,"
>> he said.
>>
>> "The question is why and how did the goats pick it up?"
>>
>> Loraine Makowski-Heaton, a goat farmer from near Llandeilo,
>> Carmarthenshire, said people in the industry were concerned about the
>> outbreak.
>>
>> But she said the majority of goat milk producers, including her,
>> pasteurised their milk.
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Pat Gardiner
>> Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!www.go-self-sufficient.com
>
>Dear Pat:   One thing you can count on when it comes to UK Animal
>Health policy, is that when you think it can't get worse than things
>are, it does.
>
>Burkie

Burkie

When people are very frightened with good reason, they freeze.

For some reason, instead of just apologising and trying to put things
right, they simply carry on as before, blanking it from their minds.

Of course, there are many decent people in veterinary science and in
farming that would speak out, but Defra's grip on the media would be
envied by any totalitarian state. 

There are a lot of people on the gravy train generating masses of hot
air and disinformation and few able to counter the lies.

I do not depend on farming to live and, by luck, stumbled upon using
the newsgroup as a means of both creating an archive and of commenting
on the size, geographical distribution and length of the current
crisis. 

Because of my health situation, I have every reason to do my best
whilst still able to contribute to protecting the children.

You saw an example today. There is obviously some kind of cover-up
going on over Bovine TB in Welsh and English goats. Something
triggered in my memory. A quick search and there it was Bovine TB in
pigs in Cornwall three years ago. 

That may tie in with the animal rights people's exposure of conditions
on Cornish farms connected to senior farmers on the levy board. We
obviously know those pigs have PMWS. Do they also have MRSA?  Is this
a co-incidence?

It's not a job I would have chosen. It chose me. But life's like that

Things may not be getting worse. It is perfectly possible that we are
just begining to find out how bad they have been for a long time.
 
People are coming in now in very large numbers to read a newsgroup
that has built an extraordinary place in history and politics

The internet is a wonderful thing with some quite unexpected world
changing characteristics.

You have Bovine TB is the US, I believe. Maybe the information that
cattle, goats and pigs have it in England and Wales and have managed
to ship it to Holland, helps someone investigating there.

You can sit in Kansas, see, evaluate and comment upon matters a world
away. You can change the course of history. You can help protect the
Prairies.

So although things are very bad. Everyone reading can do their best to
help. It is not a contribution dropped in a collecting plate for a far
off land. All you need is a normal dose of commonsense.

It is helping to save human lives, here now and in Kansas tomorrow by
exposing the truth.

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com