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date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:33:52 +0000,    group: uk.rec.cars.maintenance        back       
Ford Perforation Warranty Claim - Result   
My apologies for the long post.  The aim is to share my experience in 
getting Ford to pay for repairs under their perforation warranty, to 
corrosion starting in the bottom seams of the rear two doors on my 2001 
Ford Focus.  Others may find my experience, approach and success of use 
when dealing with Ford.

HISTORY.
March 2008 - Whilst washing my car, I noticed rust at the bottom of the 
nearside rear door, on further examination, this had started from a 
failure in the inside panel seam.  On investigating the other doors, the 
offside rear door was exhibiting the same problem.
March 2008 - I raised the problem with a local (very poor service) Ford 
dealer, who took the details and submitted a single warranty claim for 
both doors to Ford.
May 2008 -  Dealer wrote to me, rejecting the claim with the following 
words “from the images supplied I feel this has been neglected & allowed 
to deteriorate for a period of time, this should have been brought to 
the dealers attention before it reached such and advanced state”.
June 2008 - I wrote to the CEO of Ford UK (no one in Ford will discuss 
warranty claims) which resulted in contact from the 'executive office'. 
  Following an initial further rejection of my claim, they requested the 
separate submission of a warranty claim for the less affected offside 
door, which was then approved for replacement.
September 2008 - warranty repair of offside door, plus replacement of 
nearside door paid for by myself GBP727.99. I then wrote again to the 
Ford CEO requesting a refund of my costs. This was rejected.  I raised a 
small claims action, initial cost GBP60.
December 2008 - no settlement, so paid a further GBP75 to proceed to 
court, along with presenting to court a comprehensive statement of evidence.
January 2009 - Ford offered half the cost.  This I rejected.
February 2009 - Ford sent a letter to court stating they did not intend 
attending, and relying on their earlier very simplistic statement of 
evidence.  The judge decided very quickly in my favour, and ordered Ford 
to pay the repair costs, court costs, interest on money since September 
and my costs.  Ford paid within about 7 days.

My Statement of Evidence
1.I, Mr xx, the Claimant, claim the recovery of the GBP727.99 repair 
costs undertaken as a result of the Ford Motor Companies, the 
Defendant's, failure to honour the perforation warranty relating to the 
Ford Focus Registration Number xxx xxx.
2.The vehicle has been owned by the Claimant from new, and is still the 
registered owner, as shown in the copy of the DVLA Registration 
Certificate attached.
3.The conditions of the perforation warranty are shown in the copy of 
page 3 of the original Warranty and Service Guide attached. Namely “To 
enjoy continued protection, the vehicle bodywork must be cared for as 
described in the owner literature.  Any accidental damage must be 
repaired using genuine Ford parts or parts of matching quality.  You 
should contact your Ford dealer promptly if any rusting becomes evident.”
4.The Claimant states that no repairs had been undertaken to the near 
side rear passenger door at any time since purchase, prior to the door 
replacement undertaken which gives rise to this claim.  The claimant 
contends that this is not disputed, as the car was checked by the 
Defendant's agents as part of the warranty claim process.
5.A copy of Page 184 of the Focus Owner's Guide is attached, covering 
Maintenance & Care – Body paintwork preservation.
6.The Claimant states that the car has been externally waxed, normally 
once a year from new using the superior protection offered by AutoGlym 
Super Resin Polish and Extra Gloss Protection with interim washes as 
appropriate and necessary.
7.The Claimant states that the rusting problems were brought to the 
attention of a local Ford Dealer, promptly, once the rust had become 
evident on the external bodywork of the vehicle.  A chronological diary 
of the warranty claim process undertaken is attached.
8.The Claimant further states that he has had no reason to delay the 
claim once the corrosion became evident.  A key factor in the buying 
decision for the Focus rather than a Honda Civic in 2001 was the 12 year 
perforation warranty on the Focus, compared with 6 years for similar 
cover provided by Honda.  The Claimant was therefore well aware of the 
cover provided.
9.The Claimant further states that at no time has any passenger, 
mechanic or external observer of the vehicle brought door rusting to the 
attention of the Claimant.
10.The Claimant contends that the damage to the rear inside passenger 
door was as a result of a recognised manufacturing weakness, as vouched 
for by extracts from one of a number of related Ford Technical Service 
Bulletin (attached) and the fact that Ford accepted the warranty claim 
for very similar damage to the rear offside passenger door on the same 
vehicle; a perforation warranty claim for which was made at the same 
time as the door which is the subject of this claim.
11.The Claimant contends that is not reasonable to expect the owner of a 
modern car, with 12 years perforation warranty to expect to find rust 
under the door bottoms due to a manufacturing problem, let alone make 
efforts to look for it.
12.The Claimant contends that it is more reasonable to expect corrosion 
to become evident when the corrosion moves to the outside skin of the 
vehicle, which is what occurred in this instance.
13.The Defendant suggests that the “rusting was evident long before it 
was reported to the dealership”.
14.The Claimant contends that the level of evident corrosion between the 
offside rear door, accepted by the Defendant as a warranty claim, and 
the near side rear door they rejected, is not reasonably significant. 
  Photographs of the offside rear door, from April, are attached, 
namely: IMG_1398.jpg and  IMG_1405.jpg.  These can be compared with 
photographs of the nearside rear door, from April: IMG_1400.jpg to 
IMG_1405.jpg.  The particular difference is the corrosion evident on the 
external skin of the near side door in IMG_1405.jpg.
15.Given the Defendant's recommended maintenance and care for Body 
paintwork preservation, namely “Wax the body paintwork of your vehicle 
once or twice a year”, the Claimant contends that it would reasonable 
for a year to pass between attending to the external bodywork of the 
vehicle.  At April 2008, as recorded in the photograph IMG_1405.jpg only 
one area of external bodywork rust was evident on the near side door. 
As can be seen in photograph IMG_1823.jpg from November, further areas 
of rust are now externally evident; a period of 7 months.
16.The Defendant submits that the Claimant “may be negligent in failing 
to inspect the vehicle regularly or at all for any signs of rusting”.
17.The Claimant contends that there is no requirement within the terms 
of the perforation warranty for the owner to “inspect” the vehicle for 
signs of rusting relating to the upper bodywork of the vehicle.
18.The Claimant states that the vehicle is most frequently used for 
singular personal use, with access to the vehicle being almost 
exclusively via the front offside door, with accompanying regular use of 
the boot.  It is unlikely therefore that the Claimant would have cause 
or reason to find corrosion  restricted to the inside lower seam of the 
rear doors, particularly the near side door.
19.The Claimant also believes that Ford have previously accepted and 
repaired perforation warranty corrosion worse than that on this vehicle. 
  Key extracts from a web based discussion, accessible via the URL 
http://www.pistonheads.com/GASSING/topic.asp?h=0&f=129&t=541882&i=0 are 
attached.  As can be seen, the contributors mikeyr and 'Baffled Spoon' 
both had similar or worse occurrences which Ford Warranty covered.
20.The Claimant further contends that the Defendant was negligent in not 
making details of the known manufacturing problems available to owners, 
and the Claimant in particular, enabling them to inspect and bring to 
the Defendant's attention corrosion at the earliest opportunity.
21.As a result of the refusal by the Defendant to cover the repair of 
the corrosion to the nearside passenger door, the claimant obtained 3 
separate quotes for repair, two from Ford Dealers, copies of which are 
attached, along with the final Invoice.  All advised that the 
replacement of the door was the only effective resolution to the 
problem.  The Ford Dealer, who were also the lowest cost quote for the 
repair, were then instructed by the Claimant to undertake the door 
replacement at the same time as the door repair approved by Ford 
Warranty on the offside rear door.  Following the repair, the Claimant 
presented a copy of the repair invoice (attached with a copy of the 
accompanying letter) to Ford for payment, which was again refused (see 
attached copy of Ford Letter dated 23 September 2008).
22.Further or in the alternative, the Claimant also contends that 
application of the conditions of the perforation warranty in this 
instance are not applicable under Unfair Terms legislation, as the terms 
of the Perforation Warranty, as held by the defendant, cause a 
significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations arising 
under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer .  The cost of 
repair undertaken by the Defendant on the offside door is understood to 
have cost GBP473.32 excl of VAT (reference the Warranty Invoice dated 
22.9.2008 attached).  The cost of repair undertaken by the Claimant, 
which is the subject of this claim, cost GBP619.57 excl of VAT 
(reference the Cash Sale Invoice dated 9.9.2008).  As these costs are 
not grossly different, the Claimant contends that the Defendant is 
merely seeking to apply Unfair Terms to avoid reasonable responsibility 
for corrosion arising from a known manufacturing defect and covered 
under the perforation warranty. Furthermore, given the major difference 
in the two costs is the cost of Ford replacement parts (at retail 
prices), the Claimant also contends that the net difference in actual 
cost to Ford of the two door repairs is negligible or no different.

Statement of Truth

I, Mr xx, the Claimant, believe that the facts contained in this 
statement of evidence are true.

NOTES:
a) The above approach would be relevant to Ford vehicles prior to their 
changing the warranty requirement of yearly body work checks.
b) I dont believe the judge actually considered the unfair terms 
regulations, as the rest of my statement was sufficient, however, for 
others, I feel that use of the unfair terms legislation may be a very 
powerful argument.

Hope this is of help to others who get the runaround from Ford.

Paul R
date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:33:52 +0000   author:   Paul R

Re: Ford Perforation Warranty Claim - Result   
Thanks Paul, very useful. I was alarmed a month or so ago at the state 
of the offside door on my W-reg Focus. As it has had (tangential) 
damage and I have never waxed it, it probably does not qualify for the 
warranty, but it should explain the state of it. I have not checked 
the nearside door, but I know what to expect...

Nonetheless, I shall alert my brother to at least inspect his doors. 
Like you, I doubt he uses the rear ones very much.

Kostas
date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 20:43:29 +0000   author:   Kostas Kavoussanakis

Re:Ford Perforation Warranty Claim - Result   
Thanks for your very useful post. Following your lead I just got VW to pay 
for repairing the rust found on my wife's 4 year old Touran. They followed 
almost exactly the same script as Ford starting with "you should have 
noticed it earlier". They decided to settle out of court for the full amount 
and the court costs. I am guessing they did this to avoid any court 
adjudication on their warranty documents! Definitely 45 pounds well spent to 
serve them with the legal papers as it is only then they seem to sit up and 
take notice.

Thanks
Gordon.

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date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:49:56 +0800   author:   Gordon Lindsay

Re: Ford Perforation Warranty Claim - Result   
Gordon Lindsay wrote:

> Thanks for your very useful post. Following your lead I just got VW to pay 
> for repairing the rust found on my wife's 4 year old Touran. They followed 
> almost exactly the same script as Ford starting with "you should have 
> noticed it earlier". They decided to settle out of court for the full amount 
> and the court costs. I am guessing they did this to avoid any court 
> adjudication on their warranty documents! Definitely 45 pounds well spent to 
> serve them with the legal papers as it is only then they seem to sit up and 
> take notice.
> 
> Thanks
> Gordon.
> 
> url: http://myreader.co.uk/msg/127544120.aspx

Good result , its more often the case though that its cheaper to settle than send a
legal team to court , the car companies just play the numbers game
date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:13:15 GMT   author:   steve robinson

Re:Ford Perforation Warranty Claim - Result   
Paul, you are a star, and don't apologize for the long post - every word is 
gold-dust to me.

I too have discovered rust on the inside bottom seam of both rear passenger 
doors on my otherwise excellent condition V-reg Focus - the worst door needs 
replacing. Should be covered by Ford's 12 year perforation warranty, but 
although I reported it immediately, they have just rejected my claim on 
grounds that the rust has been there too long, which I don't accept.

So it looks like I am about to go down the same long & weary road which you 
have already been down, but with your experience as a guide I am feeling 
much more confident.

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date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:56:51 +0800   author:   bill savage

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