Which is the most luxorious car in the world
Everybody has a different pick.Americans,Japanese,Europeans or
Japanese the choice is different.
http://www.latest-cars-in-the-world.blogspot.com

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> Charles Hamilton  wrote:
>
>> IMHO there isn't another car in the world that can compete with our good 
>> old
>> RR when it comes to out and out luxury.

I don't normally get involved in these sorts of posts, but........  The 
range rover is nothing more than an ovesized cart with suspension that 
crashes over bumps and slow-responding steering that has almost no feedback! 
The seats are comfy - they have to be, to cover up for the suspension's 
unsprung mass!!!

> Anyway, the Royce isn't a British luxury car it's a German
> interpretation of what a British luxury car used to be; as is the
> Bentley. The best of British luxury car features is found nowadays in
> the Range Rover and in Jaguar cars. Jaguar have led Rolls-Royce for a
> long time in the construction and trimming of luxury cars and manage to
> make a car that's good to drive instead of just being a truck with posh
> carpets and some nailed on wood.

Lol, the best Jags were the series 2 XJ's for ride comfort and trim quality. 
The newer versions just became more and more plastic as time went on.
And as for the X-type, well don't get me started! How to take a mondeo 
floorpan/suspension geometry design and ruin it! When I was looking to 
change my car about 2 years ago I took a test drive in one and was appalled 
at the trim quality, the ride (hard and crashy like a BMW) and the 
ergonomics of the thing (I had to look "around" the rear-view mirror it was 
mounted so low on the screen!). I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi - 
excellent comfort, half decent trim (about mondeo quality, not bad in todays 
marketplace) and amazing performance. It has all the toys and gizzmos that 
I'll ever want or need, it's a nice place to be when you sit in it and I'm 
happy with it.
Badger.

Badger  wrote:

>  I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi 

How to ruin your credibility to comment on the driving characteristics
of cars in just seven words.

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> Badger  wrote:
>
>>  I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi
>
> How to ruin your credibility to comment on the driving characteristics
> of cars in just seven words.

Lol, each to his/her own, it's seriously quick, extremely spacious, comfy, 
reasonably well put together (bear in mind the Euro versions were built at 
Magna-Steyr in Austria, not Canada) and handles pretty well for its size 
once you ditch the standard P7 tyres. I will admit though, that it's one of 
these cars that people either love or hate, no inbetween. I laugh at Merc 
and BMW drivers for paying so much more than I did - for less toys and 
performance! I've owned many different cars over the years - Jags, Alfas, 
BMW's, various Discoveries, Defenders and Rangerovers, Rovers, Fords, even 
Vauxhalls, but the Hemi is by far the comfiest and most grin-enducing by a 
long way. The only other car I've ever owned that I regret selling was a 
1978 XJ6C, 4.2 manual with o/d. Loved that car and wish I still had it.
Working in the motor trade (own and run my own garage) I get to drive a LOT 
of different cars, and I can honestly say I'm happy with my Hemi. I haven't 
driven anything else in the same price range that comes even remotely close 
in terms of the overall package (comfort, handling, spaciousness, toys 
etc.).
Badger.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:14:19 +0100, "Badger"
 wrote:

>"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
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>> Badger  wrote:

>>>  I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi

>> How to ruin your credibility to comment on the driving characteristics
>> of cars in just seven words.

>Lol, each to his/her own, it's seriously quick, extremely spacious, comfy, 
>reasonably well put together (bear in mind the Euro versions were built at 
>Magna-Steyr in Austria, not Canada) and handles pretty well for its size 
>once you ditch the standard P7 tyres. 

It's built on a Mercedes platform and I read that Alfa Romeo is now
going to build a sedan on the same platform.

Chrysler cars' *styling* since the "merger" was always a bit iffy, but
the underlying Mercedes platform was pretty god, IMHFO.

SteveH wrote:
> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Charles Hamilton  wrote:
>>
>>> IMHO there isn't another car in the world that can compete with our good old
>>> RR when it comes to out and out luxury.
>> The original post was spam designed to encourage people to click
>> throught to a particular blog and get the hit rate for that site up. I
>> doubt that the OP is interested in the answer.
>>
>> Anyway, the Royce isn't a British luxury car it's a German
>> interpretation of what a British luxury car used to be; as is the
>> Bentley. The best of British luxury car features is found nowadays in
>> the Range Rover and in Jaguar cars. Jaguar have led Rolls-Royce for a
>> long time in the construction and trimming of luxury cars and manage to
>> make a car that's good to drive instead of just being a truck with posh
>> carpets and some nailed on wood.
> 
> Agree with you about Rolls Royce, and Bentley have only just crossed the
> line, having stopped production of the Arnage - the new 'posh Phaetons'
> just aren't the same.
> 
> Range Rover are crack-dealer chic, as are new VAG Bentleys.... which
> leaves Jaguar, who have totally lost their way with the XF and new XJ -
> both of which look like they were styled by the Koreans and the
> interiors designed by Matsui.
> 
> I think the pinnacle of luxury British car design was the Bentley Turbo
> R, followed by the Arnage Red Label and the old shape aluminium
> XJ-series.


A £30,000 copycat Rolls-Royce? It must be made in China

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1172635/A-30-000-copycat-Rolls-Royce-It-China.html

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> Badger  wrote:
>
>>  I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi
>
> How to ruin your credibility to comment on the driving characteristics
> of cars in just seven words.

They do have a certian appeal, though.

However, driving dynamics and trim quality aren't part of that appeal.

-- 
SteveH
In Dudley

Badger  wrote:

> I can honestly say I'm happy with my Hemi.

I didn't suggest that you weren't. But it doesn't handle well not by a
long, long way. It doesn't even handle as well as the E-class that it
was based on, and that was hardly a class leading car.

If you want a car that handles like a waterbed, it's fine. If you think
that an XF or XJ handles like the X-type then you're wrong. And your
comment about Jag build quality was umm a bit wide of the mark
especially if you're comparing it to the Chrysler plastic fantastic with
pimpmobile external styling.

Steve H on the road  wrote:

> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:1j7sf1h.163cml786x8zxN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> > Badger  wrote:
> >
> >>  I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi
> >
> > How to ruin your credibility to comment on the driving characteristics
> > of cars in just seven words.
> 
> They do have a certian appeal, though.
> 
> However, driving dynamics and trim quality aren't part of that appeal.

It's more the "Look at me, I'm one of the Sopranos" appeal. Either that
or "Look at me, I run a pub in a slightly rough part of the city."

Rob wrote:
> SteveH wrote:
>> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Charles Hamilton  wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMHO there isn't another car in the world that can compete with our 
>>>> good old
>>>> RR when it comes to out and out luxury.
>>> The original post was spam designed to encourage people to click
>>> throught to a particular blog and get the hit rate for that site up. I
>>> doubt that the OP is interested in the answer.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the Royce isn't a British luxury car it's a German
>>> interpretation of what a British luxury car used to be; as is the
>>> Bentley. The best of British luxury car features is found nowadays in
>>> the Range Rover and in Jaguar cars. Jaguar have led Rolls-Royce for a
>>> long time in the construction and trimming of luxury cars and manage to
>>> make a car that's good to drive instead of just being a truck with posh
>>> carpets and some nailed on wood.
>>
>> Agree with you about Rolls Royce, and Bentley have only just crossed the
>> line, having stopped production of the Arnage - the new 'posh Phaetons'
>> just aren't the same.
>>
>> Range Rover are crack-dealer chic, as are new VAG Bentleys.... which
>> leaves Jaguar, who have totally lost their way with the XF and new XJ -
>> both of which look like they were styled by the Koreans and the
>> interiors designed by Matsui.
>>
>> I think the pinnacle of luxury British car design was the Bentley Turbo
>> R, followed by the Arnage Red Label and the old shape aluminium
>> XJ-series.
> 
> 
> A £30,000 copycat Rolls-Royce? It must be made in China

The Lolls-Loyce ;-)

"Dean Dark"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:14:19 +0100, "Badger"
>  wrote:
>
>>"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:1j7sf1h.163cml786x8zxN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
>
>>> Badger  wrote:
>
>>>>  I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi
>
>>> How to ruin your credibility to comment on the driving characteristics
>>> of cars in just seven words.
>
>>Lol, each to his/her own, it's seriously quick, extremely spacious, comfy,
>>reasonably well put together (bear in mind the Euro versions were built at
>>Magna-Steyr in Austria, not Canada) and handles pretty well for its size
>>once you ditch the standard P7 tyres.
>
> It's built on a Mercedes platform

Wrong. The LX platform is to a Mercedes/Chrysler joint design, but with a 
lot of Mercedes engineering input. It is not, however, a Mercedes platform.

> and I read that Alfa Romeo is now
> going to build a sedan on the same platform.

Given the "sporting" credentials of Alfa-Romeo, I don't think they'd put 
that name on something that didn't go round corners at least acceptably, do 
you?

> Chrysler cars' *styling* since the "merger" was always a bit iffy,

Like I said, love it or hate it, lol.
Badger

"Steve H on the road"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:1j7sf1h.163cml786x8zxN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
>> Badger  wrote:
>>
>>>  I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi
>>
>> How to ruin your credibility to comment on the driving characteristics
>> of cars in just seven words.
>
> They do have a certian appeal, though.
>
> However, driving dynamics and trim quality aren't part of that appeal.

I would agree re. the driving dynamics on the original equipment tyres 
(P7's), but not with decent rubber fitted. All of a sudden there is grip in 
corners, feedback from the steering and a lot less perceived body roll. I 
reckon a lot of what is perceived as body roll with the P7's is actually 
tyre squirm and flex.
The trim isn't up to BMW or Audi standards (I can't comment on Merc as I've 
never owned one), but it is acceptable for the intended market sector and 
cost of the vehicle and probably of equivalent quality (if not feel) of 
current Fords.
Badger.

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> Steve H on the road  wrote:
>>
>> They do have a certian appeal, though.
>>
>> However, driving dynamics and trim quality aren't part of that appeal.
>
> It's more the "Look at me, I'm one of the Sopranos" appeal. Either that
> or "Look at me, I run a pub in a slightly rough part of the city."

Lol, but mine's a practical family estate, the Touring, not the Saloon 
version which does, I admit, look a touch mafia staff car. It has immense 
"road presence" but is nowhere as big as most people seem to think it is, 
just look at one parked next to a Mondeo, there isn't a lot in it.
Badger.

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> Badger  wrote:
>
>> I can honestly say I'm happy with my Hemi.
>
> I didn't suggest that you weren't. But it doesn't handle well not by a
> long, long way. It doesn't even handle as well as the E-class that it
> was based on, and that was hardly a class leading car.

Rubbish! You've obviously never driven one that's had decent tyres fitted 
then, if you've even driven one at all. And I don't just mean a run round 
the block.

> If you want a car that handles like a waterbed, it's fine. If you think
> that an XF or XJ handles like the X-type then you're wrong.

I never said they did - I haven't driven an XF and I don't like the look of 
the new XJ so wouldn't be interested in driving that either.

> And your
> comment about Jag build quality was umm a bit wide of the mark
> especially if you're comparing it to the Chrysler plastic fantastic with
> pimpmobile external styling.

No, listen to what I said - I run my own garage and work on these cars 
regularly and I can quite categorically state that the build quality of the 
X-type is utter rubbish compared to a lot of other vehicles, the new Mondeo 
included! And lets not even mention the appaling build quality and 
unreliable engines (cam chains) of the XJ40 style jags.....
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion on style, the world would be a 
boring place if we all shared identical taste - God forbid, we may all have 
to suffer renaults, lol.
Badger.

The date being 17 Oct 2009, Medianext  decided 
to write:

> Which is the most luxorious car in the world
> Everybody has a different pick.Americans,Japanese,Europeans or
> Japanese the choice is different.
> http://www.latest-cars-in-the-world.blogspot.com

I'm surprised that noone has yet mentioned the one British luxury car 
marque that's more exclusive than Royce or Bentley, and that's 
Bristol.

-- 
Richard Porter
rich@ / www. richardporter.me.uk
"You can't have Windows without pains."

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> "Halmyre" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in message 
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> > @malloc.co.uk says...
> >> Steve H on the road  wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> > news:1j7sf1h.163cml786x8zxN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> >> > > Badger  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >>  I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi
> >> > >
> >> > > How to ruin your credibility to comment on the driving 
> >> > > characteristics
> >> > > of cars in just seven words.
> >> >
> >> > They do have a certian appeal, though.
> >> >
> >> > However, driving dynamics and trim quality aren't part of that appeal.
> >>
> >> It's more the "Look at me, I'm one of the Sopranos" appeal. Either that
> >> or "Look at me, I run a pub in a slightly rough part of the city."
> >>
> >
> > I always think it looks like it's escaped from the cheesy late 70s horror
> > movie "The Car".
> >
> You say that like it's a bad thing ;-)
> 
> 

Ahem, guilty pleasure...doesn't crop up on TV much these days, sadly.

-- 
Halmyre

This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your 
head clean off.

It's along time since Renault built anything You could categorise as 
luxurious!!!
"Badger"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:1j7t2i6.9cpktq3o3m7xN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
>> Badger  wrote:
>>
>>> I can honestly say I'm happy with my Hemi.
>>
>> I didn't suggest that you weren't. But it doesn't handle well not by a
>> long, long way. It doesn't even handle as well as the E-class that it
>> was based on, and that was hardly a class leading car.
>
> Rubbish! You've obviously never driven one that's had decent tyres fitted 
> then, if you've even driven one at all. And I don't just mean a run round 
> the block.
>
>> If you want a car that handles like a waterbed, it's fine. If you think
>> that an XF or XJ handles like the X-type then you're wrong.
>
> I never said they did - I haven't driven an XF and I don't like the look 
> of the new XJ so wouldn't be interested in driving that either.
>
>> And your
>> comment about Jag build quality was umm a bit wide of the mark
>> especially if you're comparing it to the Chrysler plastic fantastic with
>> pimpmobile external styling.
>
> No, listen to what I said - I run my own garage and work on these cars 
> regularly and I can quite categorically state that the build quality of 
> the X-type is utter rubbish compared to a lot of other vehicles, the new 
> Mondeo included! And lets not even mention the appaling build quality and 
> unreliable engines (cam chains) of the XJ40 style jags.....
> You are, of course, entitled to your opinion on style, the world would be 
> a boring place if we all shared identical taste - God forbid, we may all 
> have to suffer renaults, lol.
> Badger.
>

On 20 Oct, 23:37, "Charles Hamilton"  wrote:
> It's along time since Renault built anything You could categorise as
> luxurious!!!"

Vel Satis.

--
Halmyre

On 20 Oct, 23:37, "Charles Hamilton"  wrote:
> It's along time since Renault built anything You could categorise as
> luxurious!!!"

Well, the Vel Satis was a decent enough attempt.

--
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"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> Badger  wrote:

<Inane drivel snipped where required>

>  Traction
> control you can't turn off that cuts in far too early?

Maybe your dimwit "driver in Milan", if he/she actually exists, should try 
reading the owners handbook and then pressing the button on the dash, then! 
It's set up the way it is as standard, because of the sheer bucketloads of 
torque causing unintentional wheelspin when pulling away at junctions in the 
wet. In the dry, mine doesn't kick in with my current tyre choice at all, 
unless I severely provoke it.

> And it has a powerplant last used by
> Noah to power his Ark.

Lol, I didn't realise that Noah designed the Ark in 2002... The current Hemi 
is an ALL NEW engine, no parts were carried over from anything before it. Do 
some research and get your facts right before you open your mouth and let 
your guts rumble.

>> No, listen to what I said - I run my own garage and work on these cars
>> regularly and I can quite categorically state that the build quality of 
>> the
>> X-type is utter rubbish compared to a lot of other vehicles, the new 
>> Mondeo
>> included!
>
> So what? Care to compare the X-type with the Chrysler equivalent, the
> Neon? Or is it perhaps that 1950s hearse they sell that you want to
> compare it to?

I compared the X-type to it's exact equivalent, a Ford Mondeo! If I was 
comparing it to a Chrysler it'd be the Sebring, the Neon is closer to the 
Focus.

> Perhaps we should compare the Chrysler "PoodleShitting" to an XK Jaguar?

Sorry, you've lost me with that one, probably lost the plot as well!

> Or compare your own monstrosity to the XJ? No, I thought that somehow
> you wouldn't like to do any of those things.

No, I've never done so because I dislike the XJ and I have no wish to even 
try one. Anyway, the oversize XJ is more akin to a 7-series, whereby the 
300c is more akin to a 5-series, so it would hardly be fair to compare 
unlikes, would it? (Measure them all if you disagree, if not, shutup!)

>> And lets not even mention the appaling build quality and
>> unreliable engines (cam chains) of the XJ40 style jags.....
>
> Well no, because the AJ6 and AJ16 weren't unreliable. They were the most
> reliable of all the jaguar six cylinder engines,

Utter crap! The old XK was a more reliable engine (later guise, with the 
slotted block deck and refined oilways), it suffered less issues with 
camchains and head gaskets than the AJ6. Admittedly the early ones tended to 
run the main bearing shells at around 120,000 miles, but then so did a rover 
V8, which had also munched it's cam by 90,000.

> easy to work on and
> wonderful to drive.

LOl, maybe once you strip off all the crap to actually get to the engine, 
that is!

> Not just reliable compared to previous Jaguar
> engines either, reliable compared to Merc and BMW engines - although TBH
> neither had anything as good.

Hahaha, now you're smoking something illegal. I can't talk for Merc, but the 
BMW straight 6's of their day were far superior in almost every way!

> I suspect you're doing the usual garagista
> thing, comparing some doggy old engine which hasn't been properly
> serviced with a brand new one with bugger all miles on it.

Nope, the AJ6 engine was suffering terminal cam chain guide issues from new, 
with a lot of engines being replaced or repaired under warranty. 2.9 
versions seemed to be particularly bad in this respect. I'm not naive enough 
to compare a 130k mile AJ6 engine to a 5k mile modern engine.

>> You are, of course, entitled to your opinion on style, the world would be 
>> a
>> boring place if we all shared identical taste - God forbid, we may all 
>> have
>> to suffer renaults, lol.
>
> Or Chryslers.

You know what, I reckon you must work for Jag in their P.R. dept, that's the 
only reason I can come up with for your totally blinkered defence of 
something that was once so good but has sunken so far over the last 10 or so 
years. Don't worry, it'll be all right soon, when they go to the wall.... 
bankrupcy beckons, and I can't see any other car firm being interested 
enough to make any sort of offer for a company that couldn't be sold on its 
own but had to be sold as part of a package deal with another company 
selling so called luxury and utility vehicles. Even the Italians weren't 
daft enough to put a bid in on that one!

> Need I go on?

I'd rather you didn't as I can't be bothered with you any more. I've said my 
piece. (You probably will though, so long as you keep taking your drugs!)

Badger.

"Halmyre"  wrote in message 
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> On 20 Oct, 23:37, "Charles Hamilton"  wrote:
>> It's along time since Renault built anything You could categorise as
>> luxurious!!!"
>
> Well, the Vel Satis was a decent enough attempt.

It was indeed a good attempt and well appointed for its day by most 
accounts, but I suspect it probably didn't do well mainly because of the 
company's lack of track record at luxury. To be fair to Renault, as an 
engineer I tend to dislike their quirky engineering and I wouldn't have one 
purely because they're french, but I'd completely forgotten that model when 
I made my original statement.
Badger.

Badger  wrote:

> You know what, I reckon you must work for Jag in their P.R. dept,

Your dog must be barking the wrong signals when you pass cars. That's
the only way that anyone could find a Chrysler to be an attractive car.

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> Badger  wrote:
> 
> > You know what, I reckon you must work for Jag in their P.R. dept,
> 
> Your dog must be barking the wrong signals when you pass cars. That's
> the only way that anyone could find a Chrysler to be an attractive car.

Arguably, it's better looking than the new Kiaguars...
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - 
Ducati 750SS - BMW R100RT - Toyota Prius T-Spirit

SteveH  wrote:

> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Badger  wrote:
> > 
> > > You know what, I reckon you must work for Jag in their P.R. dept,
> > 
> > Your dog must be barking the wrong signals when you pass cars. That's
> > the only way that anyone could find a Chrysler to be an attractive car.
> 
> Arguably, it's better looking than the new Kiaguars...

<Cough>ullshit.

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> SteveH  wrote:
> 
> > Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > Badger  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > You know what, I reckon you must work for Jag in their P.R. dept,
> > > 
> > > Your dog must be barking the wrong signals when you pass cars. That's
> > > the only way that anyone could find a Chrysler to be an attractive car.
> > 
> > Arguably, it's better looking than the new Kiaguars...
> 
> <Cough>ullshit.

I can understand why you like the old XJs, I even like the S-Type
myself, the jury is out on the XKs, but the new XF and new XJ are just
nasty Korean-looking tat.

I do wonder what people would be saying if either car had been badged as
a Hyundai, Kia or even a Lexarse.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - 
Ducati 750SS - BMW R100RT - Toyota Prius T-Spirit

SteveH  wrote:

> I can understand why you like the old XJs, I even like the S-Type
> myself, the jury is out on the XKs, 

You have to be joking. No, you're serious, I can tell. The XK is one of
the best looking cars on the road at present.

> but the new XF and new XJ are just nasty Korean-looking tat.

Not even close. Like most people you'll whine that they don't look like
the old Jags for a while then you'll forget why you ever complained.

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> SteveH  wrote:
> 
> > I can understand why you like the old XJs, I even like the S-Type
> > myself, the jury is out on the XKs, 
> 
> You have to be joking. No, you're serious, I can tell. The XK is one of
> the best looking cars on the road at present.

That, and the Maserati look far to similar, and I'm not a big fan of the
Maserati, either.

They both have very low rent detailing - mostly around front and rear
lights.

> > but the new XF and new XJ are just nasty Korean-looking tat.
> 
> Not even close. Like most people you'll whine that they don't look like
> the old Jags for a while then you'll forget why you ever complained.

I'll certainly forget why I ever wanted a Jaguar, that's for certain.

If I wanted something which looked like either of those, with their
Matsui interiors, I'd buy something that wouldn't break (like a Lexarse)
or save myself tens of thousands of pounds and buy a 'posh' Hyundai.

Jaguar have completely alienated many of their traditional buyers and /
or those who buy on the traditional looks - they have attracted Lexarse
buyers, but they aren't going to have the long-term brand loyalty.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - 
Ducati 750SS - BMW R100RT - Toyota Prius T-Spirit

%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

> SteveH  wrote:

>> I can understand why you like the old XJs, I even like the S-Type
>> myself, the jury is out on the XKs,

> You have to be joking. No, you're serious, I can tell. The XK is one of
> the best looking cars on the road at present.

Sorry, but I'm with SteveH on this.

The original XK was very nice indeed - but I'm not sure it's aged awfully 
well.

The current XK has a fat arse.

I'm utterly ambivalent on the S and X, but virtually every XJ has been 
thoroughly gorgeous - XJ40 apart.

The new XJ and the XF, though... <yawn>

Adrian  wrote:

> Sorry, but I'm with SteveH on this.

Everyone is allowed to be wrong.

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> Adrian  wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, but I'm with SteveH on this.
> 
> Everyone is allowed to be wrong.

You'd know. You bought a Ford Exploder.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - 
Ducati 750SS - BMW R100RT - Toyota Prius T-Spirit

SteveH  wrote:

> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Adrian  wrote:
> > 
> > > Sorry, but I'm with SteveH on this.
> > 
> > Everyone is allowed to be wrong.
> 
> You'd know. You bought a Ford Exploder.

That's the working vehicle that ran for 200,000 miles of mostly
agricultural use without needing any major spares that you're referring
to. Perhaps you'd care to compare that to the Alfa rot-boxes?

%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

> Adrian  wrote:

>> Sorry, but I'm with SteveH on this.

> Everyone is allowed to be wrong.

Very gracious of you, Steve.

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> SteveH  wrote:
> 
> > Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > > Adrian  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Sorry, but I'm with SteveH on this.
> > > 
> > > Everyone is allowed to be wrong.
> > 
> > You'd know. You bought a Ford Exploder.
> 
> That's the working vehicle that ran for 200,000 miles of mostly
> agricultural use without needing any major spares that you're referring
> to. Perhaps you'd care to compare that to the Alfa rot-boxes?

We were mostly talking about cosmetics, but thanks for resorting to the
normal stereotype view.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - 
Ducati 750SS - BMW R100RT - Toyota Prius T-Spirit

SteveH  wrote:

> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > SteveH  wrote:
> > 
> > > Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Adrian  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Sorry, but I'm with SteveH on this.
> > > > 
> > > > Everyone is allowed to be wrong.
> > > 
> > > You'd know. You bought a Ford Exploder.
> > 
> > That's the working vehicle that ran for 200,000 miles of mostly
> > agricultural use without needing any major spares that you're referring
> > to. Perhaps you'd care to compare that to the Alfa rot-boxes?
> 
> We were mostly talking about cosmetics, but thanks for resorting to the
> normal stereotype view.

You might want to attend to that beam in your own eye there.

Sorry but I don't think that Renault are shooting at the same target with 
the Vel Satis as most of the manufacturers mentioned in this thread. It 
probably is a "luxurious" car but not in the Limo class!
"Robert"  wrote in message 
news:d83cec80-00d1-42c8-9aa9-71ce43aea7ce@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> On 20 Oct, 23:37, "Charles Hamilton"  wrote:
>> It's along time since Renault built anything You could categorise as
>> luxurious!!!"
>
> Vel Satis.
>
> --
> Halmyre

Badger wrote:

> Lol, the best Jags were the series 2 XJ's for ride comfort and trim
> quality. The newer versions just became more and more plastic as time
> went on.

I had S2 Daimler - in pink [1]  Great car, I was only 23 and it was a bit
too thirsty for my pay packet.  It had an 8-track and I had a Hawkwind
and Gentle Giant cartridges.  God, I still loathe prog rock.

I now have a 1965 S type [2] - even better than the Daimler.

[1]  http://www.sweller.dynalias.org/images/sii-front.jpg
[2]  http://www.sweller.dynalias.org/images/DSCF5070sml.jpg

-- 
Simon

Merkin!! That word always makes me laugh since I found out what it meant!!!
"Richard H Huelin"  wrote in message 
news:ScKdnV6U-YZ6XUDXnZ2dnUVZ8hVi4p2d@powerusenet.com...
> Richard Porter wrote:
>> The date being 17 Oct 2009, Medianext  decided to 
>> write:
>>
>>> Which is the most luxorious car in the world
>>> Everybody has a different pick.Americans,Japanese,Europeans or
>>> Japanese the choice is different.
>
> snip spammy's link
>>
>> I'm surprised that noone has yet mentioned the one British luxury car 
>> marque that's more exclusive than Royce or Bentley, and that's Bristol.
>
> Powered by a merkin V8?

IMHO there isn't another car in the world that can compete with our good old 
RR when it comes to out and out luxury. Best the Japanese can do is the 
plasticky gimmicky Lexus, best the Yanks can do is what?? Cadillac?? 
Lincoln??.There isn't a "Euro-manufacturer" that comes anywhere near, except 
perhaps MB, but personally I think their designer has lost his way(?). All 
purely personal opinions, I'm sure I'll be corrected by those who (think 
they) know better!
"Medianext"  wrote in message 
news:51ca9707-b1e4-47b8-8819-1f505a51becf@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> Which is the most luxorious car in the world
> Everybody has a different pick.Americans,Japanese,Europeans or
> Japanese the choice is different.
> http://www.latest-cars-in-the-world.blogspot.com

Charles Hamilton wrote:
> IMHO there isn't another car in the world that can compete with our good 
> old RR when it comes to out and out luxury. Best the Japanese can do is 
> the plasticky gimmicky Lexus, best the Yanks can do is what?? Cadillac?? 
> Lincoln??.There isn't a "Euro-manufacturer" that comes anywhere near, 
> except perhaps MB, but personally I think their designer has lost his 
> way(?). All purely personal opinions, I'm sure I'll be corrected by 
> those who (think they) know better!
> "Medianext"  wrote in message 
> news:51ca9707-b1e4-47b8-8819-1f505a51becf@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>> Which is the most luxorious car in the world
>> Everybody has a different pick.Americans,Japanese,Europeans or
>> Japanese the choice is different.

Snip

Many wealthy people and heads of state appear to be trading in their 
BMW/Royce's in for the other German luxury car the Maybach.  Perhaps 
they know something you don't.

Charles Hamilton  wrote:

> IMHO there isn't another car in the world that can compete with our good old
> RR when it comes to out and out luxury.

The original post was spam designed to encourage people to click
throught to a particular blog and get the hit rate for that site up. I
doubt that the OP is interested in the answer.

Anyway, the Royce isn't a British luxury car it's a German
interpretation of what a British luxury car used to be; as is the
Bentley. The best of British luxury car features is found nowadays in
the Range Rover and in Jaguar cars. Jaguar have led Rolls-Royce for a
long time in the construction and trimming of luxury cars and manage to
make a car that's good to drive instead of just being a truck with posh
carpets and some nailed on wood.

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> Charles Hamilton  wrote:
> 
> > IMHO there isn't another car in the world that can compete with our good old
> > RR when it comes to out and out luxury.
> 
> The original post was spam designed to encourage people to click
> throught to a particular blog and get the hit rate for that site up. I
> doubt that the OP is interested in the answer.
> 
> Anyway, the Royce isn't a British luxury car it's a German
> interpretation of what a British luxury car used to be; as is the
> Bentley. The best of British luxury car features is found nowadays in
> the Range Rover and in Jaguar cars. Jaguar have led Rolls-Royce for a
> long time in the construction and trimming of luxury cars and manage to
> make a car that's good to drive instead of just being a truck with posh
> carpets and some nailed on wood.

Agree with you about Rolls Royce, and Bentley have only just crossed the
line, having stopped production of the Arnage - the new 'posh Phaetons'
just aren't the same.

Range Rover are crack-dealer chic, as are new VAG Bentleys.... which
leaves Jaguar, who have totally lost their way with the XF and new XJ -
both of which look like they were styled by the Koreans and the
interiors designed by Matsui.

I think the pinnacle of luxury British car design was the Bentley Turbo
R, followed by the Arnage Red Label and the old shape aluminium
XJ-series.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - 
Ducati 750SS - BMW R100RT - Toyota Prius T-Spirit

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:23:43 -0700 (PDT), Medianext
 wrote:

>Which is the most luxorious car in the world
>Everybody has a different pick.Americans,Japanese,Europeans or
>Japanese the choice is different.
>http://www.latest-cars-in-the-world.blogspot.com

If I was looking for luxury transport it wouldn't be a car or anything
I had to stoop to move around in.

It would the best F'in tour bus I could get with a driver, chef and
waitress.

Quote: Chuck Berry
"I want a full murphy bed in my back seat"

Quote: Eddie Cochran
"Make my dad pay the bill, yeah man, that's heaven to me"
-- 
Peter Hill
Spamtrap reply domain as per NNTP-Posting-Host in header
Can of worms - what every fisherman wants.
Can of worms - what every PC owner gets!

Richard Porter wrote:
> The date being 17 Oct 2009, Medianext  decided 
> to write:
> 
>> Which is the most luxorious car in the world
>> Everybody has a different pick.Americans,Japanese,Europeans or
>> Japanese the choice is different.

snip spammy's link
> 
> I'm surprised that noone has yet mentioned the one British luxury car 
> marque that's more exclusive than Royce or Bentley, and that's 
> Bristol.

Powered by a merkin V8?

In article <1j7t2qy.7yb2gc1vwv9qaN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, %steve%
@malloc.co.uk says...
> Steve H on the road  wrote:
> 
> > "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
> > news:1j7sf1h.163cml786x8zxN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> > > Badger  wrote:
> > >
> > >>  I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi
> > >
> > > How to ruin your credibility to comment on the driving characteristics
> > > of cars in just seven words.
> > 
> > They do have a certian appeal, though.
> > 
> > However, driving dynamics and trim quality aren't part of that appeal.
> 
> It's more the "Look at me, I'm one of the Sopranos" appeal. Either that
> or "Look at me, I run a pub in a slightly rough part of the city."
> 

I always think it looks like it's escaped from the cheesy late 70s horror 
movie "The Car".

-- 
Halmyre

This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your 
head clean off.

"Halmyre" <no.spam@this.address> wrote in message 
news:MPG.2547fac1af7f878898a067@news.tesco.net...
> In article <1j7t2qy.7yb2gc1vwv9qaN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, %steve%
> @malloc.co.uk says...
>> Steve H on the road  wrote:
>>
>> > "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:1j7sf1h.163cml786x8zxN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
>> > > Badger  wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>  I eventually bought a chrysler 300c Hemi
>> > >
>> > > How to ruin your credibility to comment on the driving 
>> > > characteristics
>> > > of cars in just seven words.
>> >
>> > They do have a certian appeal, though.
>> >
>> > However, driving dynamics and trim quality aren't part of that appeal.
>>
>> It's more the "Look at me, I'm one of the Sopranos" appeal. Either that
>> or "Look at me, I run a pub in a slightly rough part of the city."
>>
>
> I always think it looks like it's escaped from the cheesy late 70s horror
> movie "The Car".
>
You say that like it's a bad thing ;-)

-- 
Steve H
Still in Dudley...

Badger  wrote:

> "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:1j7t2i6.9cpktq3o3m7xN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> > Badger  wrote:
> >
> >> I can honestly say I'm happy with my Hemi.
> >
> > I didn't suggest that you weren't. But it doesn't handle well not by a
> > long, long way. It doesn't even handle as well as the E-class that it
> > was based on, and that was hardly a class leading car.
> 
> Rubbish! You've obviously never driven one that's had decent tyres fitted
> then, if you've even driven one at all. And I don't just mean a run round
> the block.

My driver in Milan has one. It's shite by comparison with my old Jag. by
comnparison to any of the new jags the 300C is a bad joke. Traction
control you can't turn off that cuts in far too early? Who thought of
that stupid idea, oh yes, Chrysler. And it has a powerplant last used by
Noah to power his Ark.

> > If you want a car that handles like a waterbed, it's fine. If you think
> > that an XF or XJ handles like the X-type then you're wrong.
> 
> I never said they did - I haven't driven an XF and I don't like the look of
> the new XJ so wouldn't be interested in driving that either.

So the only Jaguar car you feel qualified to talk about is the rubbish
one that Jagnuts hate?

> > And your
> > comment about Jag build quality was umm a bit wide of the mark
> > especially if you're comparing it to the Chrysler plastic fantastic with
> > pimpmobile external styling.
> 
> No, listen to what I said - I run my own garage and work on these cars
> regularly and I can quite categorically state that the build quality of the
> X-type is utter rubbish compared to a lot of other vehicles, the new Mondeo
> included!

So what? Care to compare the X-type with the Chrysler equivalent, the
Neon? Or is it perhaps that 1950s hearse they sell that you want to
compare it to?

Perhaps we should compare the Chrysler "PoodleShitting" to an XK Jaguar?
Or compare your own monstrosity to the XJ? No, I thought that somehow
you wouldn't like to do any of those things.

> And lets not even mention the appaling build quality and 
> unreliable engines (cam chains) of the XJ40 style jags.....

Well no, because the AJ6 and AJ16 weren't unreliable. They were the most
reliable of all the jaguar six cylinder engines, easy to work on and
wonderful to drive. Not just reliable compared to previous Jaguar
engines either, reliable compared to Merc and BMW engines - although TBH
neither had anything as good. I suspect you're doing the usual garagista
thing, comparing some doggy old engine which hasn't been properly
serviced with a brand new one with bugger all miles on it.

> You are, of course, entitled to your opinion on style, the world would be a
> boring place if we all shared identical taste - God forbid, we may all have
> to suffer renaults, lol.

Or Chryslers.

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/chrysler-chronos-3.jpg
http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/2008-Chrysler-PT-Cruiser-
Limited.jpg

Need I go on?

"Richard Porter" <dontusethis@address.uk.invalid> wrote in message 
news:b6a8d2ac50.news@user.minijem.plus.com...
> The date being 17 Oct 2009, Medianext  decided
> to write:
>
>> Which is the most luxorious car in the world
>> Everybody has a different pick.Americans,Japanese,Europeans or
>> Japanese the choice is different.
>> http://www.latest-cars-in-the-world.blogspot.com
>
> I'm surprised that noone has yet mentioned the one British luxury car
> marque that's more exclusive than Royce or Bentley, and that's
> Bristol.

Ugly as sin and they seem to have raided far too many bits from the Vauxhall 
rejects bin.

-- 
Steve H
In Dudley

In article <51ca9707-b1e4-47b8-8819-
1f505a51becf@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, medianext05@gmail.com 
says...
> Which is the most luxorious car in the world

'Luxorious' - means wifely or wife-like.  So what exactly do you propose 
doing???

In article , 
me@bluewonder.co.uk says...
> In article <51ca9707-b1e4-47b8-8819-
> 1f505a51becf@b25g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, medianext05@gmail.com 
> says...
> > Which is the most luxorious car in the world
> 
> 'Luxorious' - means wifely or wife-like.  

I have a wife and an Alfa Romeo, and both are stylish and expensive to run. 
But I'd only ever sleep with one of them.

-- 
Halmyre

This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your 
head clean off.

In article ,
   Halmyre <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
> I have a wife and an Alfa Romeo, and both are stylish and expensive to
> run. But I'd only ever sleep with one of them.

Don't you find the garage a bit chilly?

-- 
*Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , dave@davenoise.co.uk says...
> In article ,
>    Halmyre <no.spam@this.address> wrote:
> > I have a wife and an Alfa Romeo, and both are stylish and expensive to
> > run. But I'd only ever sleep with one of them.
> 
> Don't you find the garage a bit chilly?
> 
> 

Not as chilly as the reception I'll get if she ever reads this!

-- 
Halmyre

This is the most powerful sigfile in the world and will probably blow your 
head clean off.

In article , 
me@bluewonder.co.uk says...

Ooops!  My mistake it is 'uxorious' and it means the (excessive) love of 
one's wife.  Never mind it raised a smile anyway.