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date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:41:18 +0100,    group: uk.tech.digital-tv        back       
Bravia help please   
I have a Sony Bravia KDL 40X3000. It shows a digital clock on the bottom R 
corner and I cannot for the life of me find out how to get rid of it. I have 
searched the manual without success. It is present with any of the inputs. 
Any advice most welcome.

Thanks,

Gordon
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:41:18 +0100   author:   Gordon MacPherson

Re: Bravia help please   
"Gordon MacPherson"  wrote in message 
news:hb4rfp$vmq$1@frank-exchange-of-views.oucs.ox.ac.uk...
>I have a Sony Bravia KDL 40X3000. It shows a digital clock on the bottom R 
>corner and I cannot for the life of me find out how to get rid of it. I 
>have searched the manual without success. It is present with any of the 
>inputs. Any advice most welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gordon
>

Is there a "Display" or "Info" button on the remote control?
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:54:50 +0100   author:   slider

Re: Bravia help please   
Gordon MacPherson wrote:
> I have a Sony Bravia KDL 40X3000. It shows a digital clock on the bottom R 
> corner and I cannot for the life of me find out how to get rid of it. I have 
> searched the manual without success. It is present with any of the inputs. 
> Any advice most welcome.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gordon 
> 
> 

Press the 'i+' button at the top left of the remote.
Mick...
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:59:54 +0100   author:   MickK

Re: Bravia help please   
"Gordon MacPherson"  wrote in message 
news:hb4rfp$vmq$1@frank-exchange-of-views.oucs.ox.ac.uk...
>I have a Sony Bravia KDL 40X3000. It shows a digital clock on the bottom R 
>corner and I cannot for the life of me find out how to get rid of it. I 
>have searched the manual without success. It is present with any of the 
>inputs. Any advice most welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gordon
>
So simple when you know how! - many thanks

Gordon
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:21:57 +0100   author:   Gordon MacPherson

Re: Bravia help please   
If you have Sky, note that using a Sky handset, many people manage to
get the permanent display up by pressing TV and then the  i  (info)
button.
This applies to other makes of set also. (Panasonic)
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:48:32 -0700 (PDT)   author:   widgitt

Re: Bravia help please   
I told you their remotes were a bit strange.
Brian

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"Gordon MacPherson"  wrote in message 
news:hb4ts3$nq$1@frank-exchange-of-views.oucs.ox.ac.uk...
>
> "Gordon MacPherson"  wrote in message 
> news:hb4rfp$vmq$1@frank-exchange-of-views.oucs.ox.ac.uk...
>>I have a Sony Bravia KDL 40X3000. It shows a digital clock on the bottom R 
>>corner and I cannot for the life of me find out how to get rid of it. I 
>>have searched the manual without success. It is present with any of the 
>>inputs. Any advice most welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gordon
>>
> So simple when you know how! - many thanks
>
> Gordon
>
date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:55:09 GMT   author:   Brian Gaff

Re: Bravia help please   
Brian Gaff  wrote:
: I told you their remotes were a bit strange.

Always seemed perfectly fine to me! First press of i+ shows current external
input (or Freeview information banner), second shows time and the third 
clears the display again!
date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:13:13 +0000 (UTC)   author:   (Brian Mc)

Re: Bravia help please   
"Brian Mc"  wrote in message 
news:hb6sjp$fs$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> Brian Gaff  wrote:
> : I told you their remotes were a bit strange.
>
> Always seemed perfectly fine to me! First press of i+ shows current 
> external
> input (or Freeview information banner), second shows time and the third
> clears the display again!
>

My TVonics PVR has a button marked 'Clock'. <smug grin>

Z
date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:59:37 +0100   author:   Zimmy z@y.x

Re: Nice headend   
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:13:21 +0100, -<GB>-Carpy wrote:

> Comments welcome as usual!!

These photographs reveal the general** state of English craftmanship today --
get away with the least you can possibly do with the minimum level of
care and quality.

** general but not thankfully all cases, since a few still do care
about the quality of their work.
date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:54:26 +0000 (UTC)   author:   J G Miller

Re: Component level knowhow.   
Impractical. Probably illegal and very hard to achieve in my view.

Brian

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"ian field"  wrote in message 
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> Please can anyone recommend any information resources on building RF 
> amplifiers?
>
> At some point I would like to put together a UHF amplifier so that I can 
> explore how much gain I can get away with in an attempt to compensate for 
> a naff aerial (can't justify the cost of an upgrade with increased 
> transmitter power due when the analogue is ended) - It is unlikely that I 
> would start from scratch, more likely modify/add a stage to a commercial 
> booster and implement some form of variable gain control.
>
> To get in some practice I was thinking of something simpler, like a VHF 
> booster for DAB. This is for a flat where the communal aerial socket is in 
> the opposite corner to the radio and a co-ax run would be inconvenient.
>
> The block of flats is a steel framed building and the builders used wire 
> mesh to lay the plaster on, so the flat is pretty much a Faraday cage, my 
> plan therefore is to use a small booster to re-radiate the signal from the 
> socket as there is very little risk of feedback to the master aerial.
>
date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:51:10 GMT   author:   Brian Gaff

Re: Component level knowhow.   
<nemo@address.invalid> wrote in message 
news:o9obd55qlv0fcirr0fv1i5sg8kcemou7tk@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:27:08 +0100, "ian field"
>  wrote:
>
>>Please can anyone recommend any information resources on building RF
>>amplifiers?
>>
>>At some point I would like to put together a UHF amplifier so that I can
>>explore how much gain I can get away with in an attempt to compensate for 
>>a
>>naff aerial (can't justify the cost of an upgrade with increased 
>>transmitter
>>power due when the analogue is ended) - It is unlikely that I would start
>>from scratch, more likely modify/add a stage to a commercial booster and
>>implement some form of variable gain control.
>>
>>To get in some practice I was thinking of something simpler, like a VHF
>>booster for DAB. This is for a flat where the communal aerial socket is in
>>the opposite corner to the radio and a co-ax run would be inconvenient.
>>
>>The block of flats is a steel framed building and the builders used wire
>>mesh to lay the plaster on, so the flat is pretty much a Faraday cage, my
>>plan therefore is to use a small booster to re-radiate the signal from the
>>socket as there is very little risk of feedback to the master aerial.
>>
>
> Google will find you plenty of amplifier designs but:

Googling gets a lot of "pure schematics" unfortunately lacking in detail on 
the mechanical aspect that's all important at the frequencies of interest.

>
> 1. If the signal at your socket is crap, putting an amplifier there
> will simply give you a bigger crap signal with the same signal/noise
> ratio

Using 1 commercial booster gives a very slight improvement, cascading 2 
boosters gives significant improvement but 3 boosters and I get a blue 
screen with a "no signal" message. Dual gate MOSFETs are easy to control and 
I have suitable UHF types in stock, starting with too much gain and making 
it controllable would allow me to find out the best compromise between 
boosting the signal and boosting the crap.

>
> 2. The big problem with an on-frequency repeater (which you are
> describing) is not the possibility of feedback but generating an
> interfering image, either to your own reception or to a neighbour's
> signal.

As I mentioned the flat is a pretty good Faraday cage, at present DAB 
reception (such as it is) is obtained with the aerial wire stapled to a 
large sheet of aluminium foil stuck to the side of a book shelf - this 
arrangement was arrived at after weeks of experimenting with the original 
"rat tail" aerial moved about every which way and experiments with extending 
its length etc. It sort of works but reception conditions change with the 
weather.
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:54:25 +0100   author:   ian field

Re: Component level knowhow.   
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:54:25 +0100, ian field 
wrote:

> Using 1 commercial booster gives a very slight improvement, cascading 2 
> boosters gives significant improvement but 3 boosters and I get a blue 
> screen with a "no signal" message.

Why didn't you try four or five? I hope you used those 25dB amplifiers
at least.

> Dual gate MOSFETs are easy to control and 
> I have suitable UHF types in stock, starting with too much gain and making 
> it controllable would allow me to find out the best compromise between 
> boosting the signal and boosting the crap.

You reckon you've found a selective amplifier than can boost noise and
not signal? Well done. You try selling it and I'm sure everyone'll
laugh at you.

> As I mentioned the flat is a pretty good Faraday cage, at present DAB 
> reception (such as it is) is obtained with the aerial wire stapled to a 
> large sheet of aluminium foil stuck to the side of a book shelf - this 
> arrangement was arrived at after weeks of experimenting with the original 
> "rat tail" aerial moved about every which way and experiments with extending 
> its length etc. It sort of works but reception conditions change with the 
> weather. 

You are indeed mad.
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:29:53 GMT   author:   Paul Ratcliffe 78

Re: Component level knowhow.   
"Paul Ratcliffe" <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote in message 
news:slrnhdcd61.cv9.abuse@news.pr.network...
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:54:25 +0100, ian field 
> 
> wrote:
>
>> Using 1 commercial booster gives a very slight improvement, cascading 2
>> boosters gives significant improvement but 3 boosters and I get a blue
>> screen with a "no signal" message.
>
> Why didn't you try four or five? I hope you used those 25dB amplifiers
> at least.
>
>> Dual gate MOSFETs are easy to control and
>> I have suitable UHF types in stock, starting with too much gain and 
>> making
>> it controllable would allow me to find out the best compromise between
>> boosting the signal and boosting the crap.
>
> You reckon you've found a selective amplifier than can boost noise and
> not signal? Well done. You try selling it and I'm sure everyone'll
> laugh at you.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit - and it doesn't come much lower than 
yours.
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:10:57 +0100   author:   ian field

Re: Component level knowhow.   
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:54:25 +0100, "ian field"
 wrote:

>As I mentioned the flat is a pretty good Faraday cage, at present DAB 
>reception (such as it is) is obtained with the aerial wire stapled to a 
>large sheet of aluminium foil stuck to the side of a book shelf - this 
>arrangement was arrived at after weeks of experimenting with the original 
>"rat tail" aerial moved about every which way and experiments with extending 
>its length etc. It sort of works but reception conditions change with the 
>weather. 

Ian, you have taken a fair amount of stick over this and I admire your
persistence. But really, it isn't going to work.

As for reception conditions 'changing with the weather', what is
actually changing is the pattern of multipaths within the room due to
movement of reflectors (metallic objects) and absorbers (people) in
the surrounding flats.
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:52:39 +0100   author:   lid

Re: Component level knowhow.   
<nemo@address.invalid> wrote in message 
news:1ihcd5piavc9vgj8oebi9jvvhs4tf223o5@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:54:25 +0100, "ian field"
>  wrote:
>
>>As I mentioned the flat is a pretty good Faraday cage, at present DAB
>>reception (such as it is) is obtained with the aerial wire stapled to a
>>large sheet of aluminium foil stuck to the side of a book shelf - this
>>arrangement was arrived at after weeks of experimenting with the original
>>"rat tail" aerial moved about every which way and experiments with 
>>extending
>>its length etc. It sort of works but reception conditions change with the
>>weather.
>
> Ian, you have taken a fair amount of stick over this

If you can't find kooks on usenet where can you find them?!
date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:47:49 +0100   author:   ian field

Re: Component level knowhow.   
"ian field"  wrote in message 
news:1nIBm.2613$4G3.1586@newsfe06.ams2...
>> Ian, you have taken a fair amount of stick over this
>
> If you can't find kooks on usenet where can you find them?!

Move amongst the geat British public and one thing is for certain. You will 
find nutters in their midst.

Bill
date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:53:13 +0100   author:   Bill Wright

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