watching it right now on my sky hd box - has the itv hd logo onscreen.
however.....


my tv claims it's only 580i   - is it ?
it's definitely the hd channel i'm watching.



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The dog from that film you saw wrote:
> watching it right now on my sky hd box - has the itv hd logo onscreen.
> however.....
> 
> 
> my tv claims it's only 580i   - is it ?

Do you mean 576i ?  That's bog standard SD 625 lines.

Watching on my Humax Freesat box, I've no idea what the broadcast is at, 
because the box outputs at 1080i via HDMI regardless of the line standard of 
the channel it's tuned to. However the only thing remotely HD about the 
broadcast is the 'ITV HD' DOG, that's pin sharp, the print quality and/or 
transfer of the film itself is diabolical, and is barely SD.

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In article ,
	The dog from that film you saw wrote:
> watching it right now on my sky hd box - has the itv hd logo onscreen.
> however.....


> my tv claims it's only 580i   - is it ?
> it's definitely the hd channel i'm watching.

1440x1080 here, using mplayer. However, the sound is 256kbps Dolby
Stereo.

-- 
Paul Martin

"The dog from that film you saw"  wrote in 
message news:7kgpooF37hu2gU1@mid.individual.net...
> watching it right now on my sky hd box - has the itv hd logo onscreen.
> however.....
>
>
> my tv claims it's only 580i   - is it ?
> it's definitely the hd channel i'm watching.
>
>
>
On Freesat ITV HD better picture than normal ITV but sound is not digital.

-- 
Regards,
David

FREESAT HD  as it is now it is a joke.

In article <hbvdtm$mol$1@news.albasani.net>,
	David wrote:


> "The dog from that film you saw"  wrote in 
> message news:7kgpooF37hu2gU1@mid.individual.net...
>> watching it right now on my sky hd box - has the itv hd logo onscreen.
>> however.....
>>
>>
>> my tv claims it's only 580i   - is it ?
>> it's definitely the hd channel i'm watching.

> On Freesat ITV HD better picture than normal ITV but sound is not digital.

It's *always* digital, but it's not Dolby 5.1. (In this case, Dolby
Digital 2.0)

-- 
Paul Martin

"David"  wrote in message 
news:hbvdtm$mol$1@news.albasani.net...
:
<snip>
: On Freesat ITV HD better picture than normal ITV but sound is 
not digital.
:

Love to know more about your set up, you seem to be receiving a 
digital picture but analogue audio, well according to your 
comment above! Duh... :~)

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:35:40 +0100, David  wrote:

> On Freesat ITV HD better picture than normal ITV but sound is not digital.

Of course it's bloody digital. It certainly ain't analogue. Or perhaps
you just meant something else?

"Paul Martin"  wrote in message 
news:slrnhe6lvv.vjq.pm@nowster.eternal-september.org...
> In
>
>> On Freesat ITV HD better picture than normal ITV but sound is not 
>> digital.
>
> It's *always* digital, but it's not Dolby 5.1. (In this case, Dolby
> Digital 2.0)
>

My Denon Dolby AV 7 channel sound system is providing Dolby Prologic 2 
Cinema from the transmission.

-- 
Regards,
David

FREESAT HD  as it is now it is a joke.

Mark Carver wrote:
> The dog from that film you saw wrote:
> 
>> watching it right now on my sky hd box - has the itv hd logo onscreen.
>> however.....
>>
>>
>> my tv claims it's only 580i   - is it ?
> 
> 
> Do you mean 576i ?  That's bog standard SD 625 lines.
> 
> Watching on my Humax Freesat box, I've no idea what the broadcast is at, 
> because the box outputs at 1080i via HDMI regardless of the line 
> standard of the channel it's tuned to. However the only thing remotely 
> HD about the broadcast is the 'ITV HD' DOG, that's pin sharp, the print 
> quality and/or transfer of the film itself is diabolical, and is barely SD.
> 

How do you find ITV HD on the Humax Mark?
I thought ITV had done some clever trick so it only appeared via the 
(dreaded) red button.
Doing a Freesat or 'everything' scan it doesn't appear.
I think you can force the output to SD if you use the CVBS o/p (which 
looks better on my cheapish little LCD tele in the bedroom anyway)

Mike

m wrote:

> How do you find ITV HD on the Humax Mark?
> I thought ITV had done some clever trick so it only appeared via the 
> (dreaded) red button.
> Doing a Freesat or 'everything' scan it doesn't appear.

No it won't. If a programme is being carried in HD, then a 'Press Red 
for HD ' DOG appears top right of the picture on ITV SD (Ch 103) (except 
in STV and UTV regions) Pressing Red then switches the box to the HD 
version.

For viewers in STV and UTV land, they need to select ITV London on 977, 
and then press red from there.

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:7kldp8F38qgjhU1@mid.individual.net...
:m wrote:
:
: > How do you find ITV HD on the Humax Mark?
: > I thought ITV had done some clever trick so it only appeared 
via the
: > (dreaded) red button.
: > Doing a Freesat or 'everything' scan it doesn't appear.
:
: No it won't. If a programme is being carried in HD, then a 
'Press Red
: for HD ' DOG appears top right of the picture on ITV SD (Ch 
103) (except
: in STV and UTV regions) Pressing Red then switches the box to 
the HD
: version.
:
: For viewers in STV and UTV land, they need to select ITV London 
on 977,
: and then press red from there.

Can anyone remind us - I know it's been mentioned before -  of 
what FTA (that is, non Freesat) DVB-S box(es) can find the 
'hidden ITV HD stream without the need to jump through silly 
hoops backwards whilst doing a backwards flip - as ITV seem to 
want people to do, just to try to lock them into the Sk..., 
sorry, Freesat branding.

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:7kldp8F38qgjhU1@mid.individual.net...
> m wrote:
>
>> How do you find ITV HD on the Humax Mark?
>> I thought ITV had done some clever trick so it only appeared via the 
>> (dreaded) red button.
>> Doing a Freesat or 'everything' scan it doesn't appear.
>
> No it won't. If a programme is being carried in HD, then a 'Press Red for 
> HD ' DOG appears top right of the picture on ITV SD (Ch 103) (except in 
> STV and UTV regions) Pressing Red then switches the box to the HD version.
>
> For viewers in STV and UTV land, they need to select ITV London on 977, 
> and then press red from there.
>


What amuses me is when in HD there is a Logo saying ITVHD, just in case you 
can't tell the difference I assume.

-- 
Regards,
David

FREESAT HD  as it is now it is a joke.

Hearing over the weekend that Sky is expanding very well due to HD 
broadcasting, something that the BBC/ITV/Freesat are very much lacking.

-- 
Regards,
David

FREESAT HD  as it is now it is a joke.

David wrote:
> Hearing over the weekend that Sky is expanding very well due to HD 
> broadcasting, something that the BBC/ITV/Freesat are very much lacking.

By definition for Freesat to carry any service, that service must be on a 
narrow beam satellite, in other words Astra 2D. 2D is currently choc-a-bloc 
with BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV 1, and C4 regional variations, there is currently very 
little spare capacity. If the Beeb did the decent thing and converted the 
transponder they carry BBC HD on to DVB-S2, then there would be room for 2 or 
3 other HD services (such as C4's), but even then Freesat is unlikely to have 
any more than that until either space is liberated on 2D, and/or Astra or 
someone else provide more narrow beam capacity at 28E.



-- 
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Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:35:40 +0100, David  wrote:
> 
>> On Freesat ITV HD better picture than normal ITV but sound is not digital.
> 
> Of course it's bloody digital. It certainly ain't analogue. Or perhaps
> you just meant something else?

The surround encoding system is analogue 2 channel Dolby Surround I 
think he means.

-- 
Adrian C

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:7kmdf4F3a19hlU1@mid.individual.net...
> David wrote:
>> Hearing over the weekend that Sky is expanding very well due to HD 
>> broadcasting, something that the BBC/ITV/Freesat are very much lacking.
>
> By definition for Freesat to carry any service, that service must be on a 
> narrow beam satellite, in other words Astra 2D. 2D is currently 
> choc-a-bloc with BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV 1, and C4 regional variations, there is 
> currently very little spare capacity. If the Beeb did the decent thing and 
> converted the transponder they carry BBC HD on to DVB-S2, then there would 
> be room for 2 or 3 other HD services (such as C4's), but even then Freesat 
> is unlikely to have any more than that until either space is liberated on 
> 2D, and/or Astra or someone else provide more narrow beam capacity at 28E.
>

So is the BBC HD done differently for the Sky transmission?
IE Freesat BBC HD is a second transponder on Astra 2 satellites?

-- 
Regards,
David

FREESAT HD  as it is now it is a joke.

"Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message 
news:7kmft1F3b1tk6U2@mid.individual.net...
> Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:35:40 +0100, David  wrote:
>>
>>> On Freesat ITV HD better picture than normal ITV but sound is not 
>>> digital.
>>
>> Of course it's bloody digital. It certainly ain't analogue. Or perhaps
>> you just meant something else?
>
> The surround encoding system is analogue 2 channel Dolby Surround I think 
> he means.
>

On HD Freesat my Denon 7 channel AV amp. reports, dependant on material 
being transmitted that the sound is from an Optical Digital connection and 
is outputting in Dolby Digital OR in Dolby PL2 Cinema.
The later I would have thought being classed as an analogue system.
The ITV Star Wars was giving me the full stereo effects, with lasers and 
space fighting planes going up and down and around my living room.

-- 
Regards,
David

FREESAT HD  as it is now it is a joke.

In article <hc548c$gmo$1@news.albasani.net>,
	David wrote:


> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:7kmdf4F3a19hlU1@mid.individual.net...
>> David wrote:
>>> Hearing over the weekend that Sky is expanding very well due to HD 
>>> broadcasting, something that the BBC/ITV/Freesat are very much lacking.
>>
>> By definition for Freesat to carry any service, that service must be on a 
>> narrow beam satellite, in other words Astra 2D. 2D is currently 
>> choc-a-bloc with BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV 1, and C4 regional variations, there is 
>> currently very little spare capacity. If the Beeb did the decent thing and 
>> converted the transponder they carry BBC HD on to DVB-S2, then there would 
>> be room for 2 or 3 other HD services (such as C4's), but even then Freesat 
>> is unlikely to have any more than that until either space is liberated on 
>> 2D, and/or Astra or someone else provide more narrow beam capacity at 28E.
>>

> So is the BBC HD done differently for the Sky transmission?
> IE Freesat BBC HD is a second transponder on Astra 2 satellites?

Nope, the BBC HD that Sky uses is exactly the same as the one that Freesat
uses. It shares a transponder with BBC 1 Channel Islands and BBC 1 East(W).

-- 
Paul Martin

In article ,
	Adrian C wrote:
> Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:35:40 +0100, David  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Freesat ITV HD better picture than normal ITV but sound is not digital.
>> 
>> Of course it's bloody digital. It certainly ain't analogue. Or perhaps
>> you just meant something else?

> The surround encoding system is analogue 2 channel Dolby Surround I 
> think he means.

It's digital all the way. It's not the discrete surround channel
encoding of Dolby Digital 5.1, but it's still digital (DD 2.0).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital#Channel_configurations

-- 
Paul Martin

"Jerry" <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote in message 
news:hc4279$h6j$1@news.eternal-september.org...
:
: "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
: news:7kldp8F38qgjhU1@mid.individual.net...
::m wrote:
::
:: > How do you find ITV HD on the Humax Mark?
:: > I thought ITV had done some clever trick so it only appeared
: via the
:: > (dreaded) red button.
:: > Doing a Freesat or 'everything' scan it doesn't appear.
::
:: No it won't. If a programme is being carried in HD, then a
: 'Press Red
:: for HD ' DOG appears top right of the picture on ITV SD (Ch
: 103) (except
:: in STV and UTV regions) Pressing Red then switches the box to
: the HD
:: version.
::
:: For viewers in STV and UTV land, they need to select ITV 
London
: on 977,
:: and then press red from there.
:
: Can anyone remind us - I know it's been mentioned before -  of
: what FTA (that is, non Freesat) DVB-S box(es) can find the
: 'hidden ITV HD stream without the need to jump through silly
: hoops backwards whilst doing a backwards flip - as ITV seem to
: want people to do, just to try to lock them into the Sk...,
: sorry, Freesat branding.
:

Thanks "David" for your thread drifting rant, but getting back to 
the question asked...

Paul Martin wrote:
> It's digital all the way. It's not the discrete surround channel
> encoding of Dolby Digital 5.1, but it's still digital (DD 2.0).
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital#Channel_configurations
> 

My lightbulb is digital.

-- 
Adrian C

In article ,
	Adrian C wrote:
> Paul Martin wrote:
>> It's digital all the way. It's not the discrete surround channel
>> encoding of Dolby Digital 5.1, but it's still digital (DD 2.0).
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital#Channel_configurations
>> 

> My lightbulb is digital.

So are my fingers.

-- 
Paul Martin

Paul Martin wrote:
> In article ,
> 	Adrian C wrote:
>> Paul Martin wrote:
>>> It's digital all the way. It's not the discrete surround channel
>>> encoding of Dolby Digital 5.1, but it's still digital (DD 2.0).
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital#Channel_configurations
>>>
> 
>> My lightbulb is digital.
> 
> So are my fingers.
> 

:-)

-- 
Adrian C

"Paul Martin"  wrote in message 
news:slrnhecfdq.62p.pm@nowster.eternal-september.org...
> In article <hc548c$gmo$1@news.albasa
>
> Nope, the BBC HD that Sky uses is exactly the same as the one that Freesat
> uses. It shares a transponder with BBC 1 Channel Islands and BBC 1 
> East(W).
>
> -- 

So no technical reason that more HD could be on Freesat that is on Sky, Eg 
Ch4 and Five if the have HD on Sky.

-- 
Regards,
David

FREESAT HD  as it is now it is a joke.

In article <hc6o4b$oro$1@news.albasani.net>,
	David wrote:


> "Paul Martin"  wrote in message 
> news:slrnhecfdq.62p.pm@nowster.eternal-september.org...
>> In article <hc548c$gmo$1@news.albasa
>>
>> Nope, the BBC HD that Sky uses is exactly the same as the one that Freesat
>> uses. It shares a transponder with BBC 1 Channel Islands and BBC 1 
>> East(W).

> So no technical reason that more HD could be on Freesat that is on Sky, Eg 
> Ch4 and Five if the have HD on Sky.

Only transponder space. Of course, anything provided to Freesat is
automatically available to Sky.

Ch4HD is available on Sky, but either because of a deal with Sky (for
uplinking) or because there's no transponders left on Astra 2D, they're
not FTA.

It will be interesting to find out whether Astra 2C (when it returns
from covering for a different orbital slot) has a "secret" spot beam
like one of the Astra 1 satellites was recently revealed to have.

-- 
Paul Martin

Leighton Buzzard Observer 



TV aerial interferes with aircraft communications

Published Date:  26 October 2009

Faulty device in boy's bedroom was to blame

A faulty booster aerial in a Linslade family's home was transmitting all
the wrong signals when it started interfering with planes flying in and
out of Luton Airport.

When problems were detected by National Air Traffic Control, it informed
the Office of Communications (Ofcom) that radio contact between flight
crews and air traffic control was being disrupted by a TV amplifier in
the area.

They tracked it down to a house in Knaves Hill, and Dave Chamberlain
returned from work to find an Ofcom engineer parked outside his home.

The engineer investigated and found a booster aerial in Dave's son's
bedroom to be transmitting on the same radio frequency as the aircraft.
....................................


http://www.leightonbuzzardonline.co.uk/news/TV-aerial-interferes-with-aircraft.5767683.jp

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:25:20 GMT, MB wrote:

> They tracked it down to a house in Knaves Hill, and Dave Chamberlain
> returned from work to find an Ofcom engineer parked outside his home.

A Dave Chamberlain or The Dave Chamberlain?

-- 
Cheers
Dave.

On 27 Oct, 19:25, MB <M...@invalid.invalid> quoted the  "Leighton
Buzzard Observer"

> The engineer investigated and found a booster aerial in Dave's son's
> bedroom to be transmitting on the same radio frequency as the aircraft.


Alas Look East missed the gist of the story.  All they had was a live
insert of the poor lad and his dad standing over a blank telly, and
the explanation that the indoor aerial was faulty.   Nothing about it
being an active amplifier, or the sort.   Not even a shot of the
offending piece of kit.    If they'd have had "cheap import electronic
device nearly prangs  EasyJet plane with hundreds on-board" - wouldn't
that be sexier.

Seriously though a set-top booster aerial, even if it were designed to
be multi-band would have to be putting out a relatively large output
to impact ground-to-air comms.   Could it be that the device were re-
broadcasting LTN approach (129.55) and the resulting small out-of-
phase signal were enough to drop aircraft reception in the immediate
vicinity (ie probably 8,000 feet or so at that stage) below
threashold, or into unintelligibility?    I doubt it.

Ted Richardson  wrote in
news:9f0ffc8e-5aa9-4b53-97ab-6909e845c995@i4g2000prm.googlegroups.com:

> Seriously though a set-top booster aerial, even if it were designed to
> be multi-band would have to be putting out a relatively large output
> to impact ground-to-air comms.   Could it be that the device were re-
> broadcasting LTN approach (129.55) and the resulting small out-of-
> phase signal were enough to drop aircraft reception in the immediate
> vicinity (ie probably 8,000 feet or so at that stage) below
> threashold, or into unintelligibility?    I doubt it.

Terrestrial television doesn't normally interfere with aviation comms, 
the frequencies are well separated. I don't see how a booster aerial 
should change that. But some cable tv channels are in the aviation 
band. Sometimes there are interferences with leaking cable systems and 
aircraft communication. Maybe the home has cable, but he left the 
aerial attached for some reason or other, and wired it in such a way 
that it transmitted the cable signal.

-- 
The spice extends life
The spice expands consciousness
The spice is vital to space travel

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:44:29 -0700 (PDT), Ted Richardson wrote:

> Alas Look East missed the gist of the story.  All they had was a live
> insert of the poor lad and his dad standing over a blank telly, and
> the explanation that the indoor aerial was faulty.   Nothing about it
> being an active amplifier, or the sort.   Not even a shot of the
> offending piece of kit.    

Newsround similar empty of real facts story. But there is more to
"aircraft comms" than AM voice around 120 to 150MHz. Where are the
ILS systems? I'm sort of assuming the thing had started to oscilate
and was radiating a potent signal. We don't even know if the house
was only near Luton Airport or under the flight path.



-- 
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:44:29 -0700 (PDT), Ted Richardson wrote:
> 
> > Alas Look East missed the gist of the story.  All they had was a
> > live insert of the poor lad and his dad standing over a blank
> > telly, and the explanation that the indoor aerial was faulty.
> > Nothing about it being an active amplifier, or the sort.   Not even
> > a shot of the offending piece of kit.    
> 
> Newsround similar empty of real facts story. But there is more to
> "aircraft comms" than AM voice around 120 to 150MHz. Where are the
> ILS systems? I'm sort of assuming the thing had started to oscilate
> and was radiating a potent signal. We don't even know if the house
> was only near Luton Airport or under the flight path.

ITV's London Tonight said it was an amplified aerial and showed one
like the one in question.

They said that on occasions the aircraft could hear the TV programme. :)

-- 
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"Ashley Booth"  wrote in message news:dvSdnYhycpFDe3XXnZ2dnUVZ7tqdnZ2d@bt.com...
> Dave Liquorice wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:44:29 -0700 (PDT), Ted Richardson wrote:
>>
>> > Alas Look East missed the gist of the story.  All they had was a
>> > live insert of the poor lad and his dad standing over a blank
>> > telly, and the explanation that the indoor aerial was faulty.
>> > Nothing about it being an active amplifier, or the sort.   Not even
>> > a shot of the offending piece of kit.
>>
>> Newsround similar empty of real facts story. But there is more to
>> "aircraft comms" than AM voice around 120 to 150MHz. Where are the
>> ILS systems? I'm sort of assuming the thing had started to oscilate
>> and was radiating a potent signal. We don't even know if the house
>> was only near Luton Airport or under the flight path.
>
> ITV's London Tonight said it was an amplified aerial and showed one
> like the one in question.
>
> They said that on occasions the aircraft could hear the TV programme. :)
Not sure if the smiley indicates "knowing", or disbelief,
but for the benefit of those who are unconvinced, it is not impossible for a
free-running UHF oscillator at to be sufficiently microphonic to impart
a degree of FM onto the carrier if close to a loudspeaker etc.
The receivers in the aircraft will be AM, one of the few comms users
that use that mode these days, but a slightly off-frequency FM signal
can be detected easily by an AM receiver by "slope detection".

-- 
Graham.

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