"
Telegraph
Jonathan Trott celebrated with South Africans, claims Michael Vaughan 
Michael Vaughan has accused Ashes hero Jonathan Trott of celebrating 
with South Africa's players after Proteas' victory over England in 2008.

By Telegraph staff
Published: 8:47AM GMT 29 Oct 2009


Divided loyalty: England's Jonathan Trott will play against his native 
South Africa this winter Photo: REUTERS Vaughan claimed he saw Trott - 
born and raised in Johannesburg - congratulating Graeme Smith's side 
after the match at Edgbaston. South Africa sealed a series victory by 
winning the game, which was Vaughan's final Test.

 Writing in his new autobiography, Time to Declare, Vaughan said: "It 
was a sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South 
Africa I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week 
before he had been our 12th man at Headingley. "I was going into the 
press conference and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home 
what English cricket has become like."
-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:05:39 +0000, Robert Henderson
 wrote:

>
>"
>Telegraph
>Jonathan Trott celebrated with South Africans, claims Michael Vaughan 
>Michael Vaughan has accused Ashes hero Jonathan Trott of celebrating 
>with South Africa's players after Proteas' victory over England in 2008.
>
>By Telegraph staff
>Published: 8:47AM GMT 29 Oct 2009
>
>
>Divided loyalty: England's Jonathan Trott will play against his native 
>South Africa this winter Photo: REUTERS Vaughan claimed he saw Trott - 
>born and raised in Johannesburg - congratulating Graeme Smith's side 
>after the match at Edgbaston. South Africa sealed a series victory by 
>winning the game, which was Vaughan's final Test.
>
> Writing in his new autobiography, Time to Declare, Vaughan said: "It 
>was a sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South 
>Africa I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week 
>before he had been our 12th man at Headingley. "I was going into the 
>press conference and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home 
>what English cricket has become like."

Trott has responded to the remarks made by Vaughan.

max.it

>-- 
>Robert Henderson
>Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

In message , ?@?.?.invalid writes
>> Writing in his new autobiography, Time to Declare, Vaughan said: "It
>>was a sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South
>>Africa I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week
>>before he had been our 12th man at Headingley. "I was going into the
>>press conference and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home
>>what English cricket has become like."
>
>Trott has responded to the remarks made by Vaughan.
>

Well, he's denied it, but do you honestly think Vaughan's publishers 
would have let the claim go through unless they thought it could be 
substantiated? There must have been other witnesses. RH

>max.it

-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On 2 Nov, 21:05, Robert Henderson  wrote:
> "
> Telegraph
> Jonathan Trott celebrated with South Africans, claims Michael Vaughan
> Michael Vaughan has accused Ashes hero Jonathan Trott of celebrating
> with South Africa's players after Proteas' victory over England in 2008.
>
> By Telegraph staff
> Published: 8:47AM GMT 29 Oct 2009
>
> Divided loyalty: England's Jonathan Trott will play against his native
> South Africa this winter Photo: REUTERS Vaughan claimed he saw Trott -
> born and raised in Johannesburg - congratulating Graeme Smith's side
> after the match at Edgbaston. South Africa sealed a series victory by
> winning the game, which was Vaughan's final Test.
>
>  Writing in his new autobiography, Time to Declare, Vaughan said: "It
> was a sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South
> Africa I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week
> before he had been our 12th man at Headingley. "I was going into the
> press conference and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home
> what English cricket has become like."

Hang on a minute, I'm confused.
"I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa."
"I saw him patting them on the back."
Is this one event or two?

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:36:56 -0800 (PST), Offramp
 wrote:

>On 2 Nov, 21:05, Robert Henderson  wrote:
>> "
>> Telegraph
>> Jonathan Trott celebrated with South Africans, claims Michael Vaughan
>> Michael Vaughan has accused Ashes hero Jonathan Trott of celebrating
>> with South Africa's players after Proteas' victory over England in 2008.
>>
>> By Telegraph staff
>> Published: 8:47AM GMT 29 Oct 2009
>>
>> Divided loyalty: England's Jonathan Trott will play against his native
>> South Africa this winter Photo: REUTERS Vaughan claimed he saw Trott -
>> born and raised in Johannesburg - congratulating Graeme Smith's side
>> after the match at Edgbaston. South Africa sealed a series victory by
>> winning the game, which was Vaughan's final Test.
>>
>> =A0Writing in his new autobiography, Time to Declare, Vaughan said: "It
>> was a sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South
>> Africa I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week
>> before he had been our 12th man at Headingley. "I was going into the
>> press conference and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home
>> what English cricket has become like."
>
>Hang on a minute, I'm confused.
>"I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa."
>"I saw him patting them on the back."
>Is this one event or two?

Trott met Harris and congratulated him with a slap on the back.
Apparently they know each other very well. Vaughan was walking by at
the time.

Sleazy.

max.it

On 3 Nov, 22:54, (max.it) wrote:

> Trott met Harris and congratulated him with a slap on the back.
> Apparently they know each other very well. Vaughan was walking by at
> the time.

Vaughan's got a lot to say these days. I seem to see a new quote each
day, today backing up Hoggard re: his treatment by Yorkshire.

Richard

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:17:43 -0800 (PST), Richard Dixon
 wrote:

>On 3 Nov, 22:54, (max.it) wrote:
>
>> Trott met Harris and congratulated him with a slap on the back.
>> Apparently they know each other very well. Vaughan was walking by at
>> the time.
>
>Vaughan's got a lot to say these days. I seem to see a new quote each
>day, today backing up Hoggard re: his treatment by Yorkshire.
>
>Richard

Do you think there has been some kind of a behind the scenes Vaughan /
Yorkshire issue? From outside it looks like no central contract 
(I mean funding) - no favours.

max.it

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:29:24 GMT, (max.it) tapped the keyboard and
brought forth:

>On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:17:43 -0800 (PST), Richard Dixon
> wrote:
>
>>On 3 Nov, 22:54, (max.it) wrote:
>>
>>> Trott met Harris and congratulated him with a slap on the back.
>>> Apparently they know each other very well. Vaughan was walking by at
>>> the time.
>>
>>Vaughan's got a lot to say these days. I seem to see a new quote each
>>day, today backing up Hoggard re: his treatment by Yorkshire.
>>
>>Richard
>
>Do you think there has been some kind of a behind the scenes Vaughan /
>Yorkshire issue? From outside it looks like no central contract 
>(I mean funding) - no favours.

It's not very behind-the-scenes. It was widely reported that Vaughan
had been very disappointed that Yorks wouldn't allow him to play some
one-day games as a farewell.

In both cases, what turned out to be the final conversation between
player and club was certainly unsatisfactory in its execution, but it
also appears that the players were demanding, or at least requesting,
things which the club did not believe were in its best interests.

Allowing Vaughan to play some one-day games as a farewell would have
denied experience to someone who is going to have to do the job anyway
next season. £100K is not a small salary, but 200+ Test wickets up to
2007 is no guarantee of 50 wickets in the county championship of 2010
and the club felt there were better ways of spending their cash.

I think the club's decisions have been correct. I wish it could have
been better handled so that the players did not go away aggrieved,
though I am in no position to judge whether that was actually possible
given the various egos involved.

Cheers,

Mike
--

In message , ?@?.?.invalid writes
>>
>>Hang on a minute, I'm confused.
>>"I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa."
>>"I saw him patting them on the back."
>>Is this one event or two?
>
>Trott met Harris and congratulated him with a slap on the back. 
>Apparently they know each other very well. Vaughan was walking by at 
>the time.

Sez who, Trott?  Why should you believe him? I repeat my response to 
your first post in the thread, why on earth would the publishers have 
taken the chance of a libel action if they did not have firm evidence 
that Vaughan's version is the truth? That evidence must be other 
witnesses. RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

In message 
, 
Offramp  writes
>>
>>  Writing in his new autobiography, Time to Declare, Vaughan said: "It
>> was a sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South
>> Africa I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week
>> before he had been our 12th man at Headingley. "I was going into the
>> press conference and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home
>> what English cricket has become like."
>
>Hang on a minute, I'm confused.

Of course you are, it suits you liberal bigot tendencies to be so in 
this highly embarrassing (for you) case. |RH

>"I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa."
>"I saw him patting them on the back."
>Is this one event or two?

Sigh. The patting on the back was part of the celebration... RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

In message 
, 
Richard Dixon  writes
>On 3 Nov, 22:54, (max.it) wrote:
>
>> Trott met Harris and congratulated him with a slap on the back.
>> Apparently they know each other very well. Vaughan was walking by at
>> the time.
>
>Vaughan's got a lot to say these days. I seem to see a new quote each
>day, today backing up Hoggard re: his treatment by Yorkshire.
>
>Richard

And off goes pc Dixon to try to distract attention from Trott's 
behaviour.... RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

"Robert Henderson"  wrote in message 
news:M4cywrIjm07KFwIm@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>
> "
> Telegraph
> Jonathan Trott celebrated with South Africans, claims Michael Vaughan 
> Michael Vaughan has accused Ashes hero Jonathan Trott of celebrating with 
> South Africa's players after Proteas' victory over England in 2008.
>
> By Telegraph staff
> Published: 8:47AM GMT 29 Oct 2009
>
>
> Divided loyalty: England's Jonathan Trott will play against his native 
> South Africa this winter Photo: REUTERS Vaughan claimed he saw Trott - 
> born and raised in Johannesburg - congratulating Graeme Smith's side after 
> the match at Edgbaston. South Africa sealed a series victory by winning 
> the game, which was Vaughan's final Test.
>
> Writing in his new autobiography, Time to Declare, Vaughan said: "It was a 
> sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South Africa I saw 
> Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week before he had 
> been our 12th man at Headingley. "I was going into the press conference 
> and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home what English cricket 
> has become like."
> -- 
> Robert Henderson
> Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

I have to say this incident in particular does leave a sour taste in the 
mouth.
I've no problem with those born elsewhere who for whatever reason want
to play for England - but their loyalty has to be with England.

I reckon there's nothing more likely to see Trott dropped than if there's a
suspicion of divided loyalty.

On 4 Nov, 00:29, (max.it) wrote:

> Do you think there has been some kind of a behind the scenes Vaughan /
> Yorkshire issue?

Don't think so - I think he's just backing up a mate, if anything.
Would love to know what *actually* happened.

Richard

In message <4af15c47$0$2535$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, lk 
 writes
>
>I have to say this incident in particular does leave a sour taste in 
>the mouth.
>I've no problem with those born elsewhere who for whatever reason want
>to play for England - but their loyalty has to be with England.
>
>I reckon there's nothing more likely to see Trott dropped than if there's a
>suspicion of divided loyalty.

How little you understand of the modern British elite. It would be a 
recommendation to keep selecting him for them... RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

"Robert Henderson"  wrote in message 
news:1sC8V0QEYW8KFwWS@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In message <4af15c47$0$2535$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, lk 
>  writes
>>
>>I have to say this incident in particular does leave a sour taste in the 
>>mouth.
>>I've no problem with those born elsewhere who for whatever reason want
>>to play for England - but their loyalty has to be with England.
>>
>>I reckon there's nothing more likely to see Trott dropped than if there's 
>>a
>>suspicion of divided loyalty.
>
> How little you understand of the modern British elite. It would be a 
> recommendation to keep selecting him for them... RH
> -- 
> Robert Henderson
> Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

How many cricket teams have you played in / with / for?

Robert Henderson wrote:
[Max.it:]
>> Trott met Harris and congratulated him with a slap on the back. 
>> Apparently they know each other very well. Vaughan was walking by at 
>> the time.
> Sez who, Trott?  Why should you believe him?

	Any reason why both accounts should not be true?  Sad day if
players can no longer be personal friends with players on opposing
sides, if they can't say [and mean] "Well done!", if they can't have
a drink together.  Certainly there have been times when managements
have felt there was too much fraternising, and have tried to clamp
down, but this doesn't seem like one of those times.

-- 
Andy Walker
Nottingham

In message <4af17679$0$2540$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, lk 
 writes
>>>a
>>>suspicion of divided loyalty.
>>
>> How little you understand of the modern British elite. It would be a 
>>recommendation to keep selecting him for them... RH
>> --  Robert Henderson
>> Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>
>How many cricket teams have you played in / with / for?


Irrelevant to the point I made as they were all amateur. RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

"Robert Henderson"  wrote in message 
news:NuES1lkckZ8KFwhb@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In message <4af17679$0$2540$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, lk 
>  writes
>>>>a
>>>>suspicion of divided loyalty.
>>>
>>> How little you understand of the modern British elite. It would be a 
>>> recommendation to keep selecting him for them... RH
>>> --  Robert Henderson
>>> Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>>
>>How many cricket teams have you played in / with / for?
>
>
> Irrelevant to the point I made as they were all amateur. RH

Irrelevant?  We're talking about loyalty here.   My point was that if Trott
as part of an England dressing room is not seen by his peers to be trying 
hard or
complacent of failure - there is nothing more likely to get him dropped.
The media can say what they like but if a bloke is not popular - as
Owais Shah is finding out - he's not long for the side.

> >Hang on a minute, I'm confused.

> Of course you are, it suits you liberal bigot tendencies to be so in
> this highly embarrassing (for you) case. |RH

Hmm. You seem to have drawn a very detailed picture of me based on 6
words.

> >"I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa."
> >"I saw him patting them on the back."
> >Is this one event or two?

> Sigh. The patting on the back was part of the celebration

I have read neither the article or the book: what was the /rest/ of
the celebration?

In message <P7hIm.43024$%%3.22136@newsfe23.ams2>, Andy Walker 
 writes
>Robert Henderson wrote:
>[Max.it:]
>>> Trott met Harris and congratulated him with a slap on the back. 
>>>Apparently they know each other very well. Vaughan was walking by at 
>>>the time.
>> Sez who, Trott?  Why should you believe him?
>
>       Any reason why both accounts should not be true?

Vaughan says celebrating. Celebrating is not just patting someone on the 
back. It is also true that the context of Trott being South African and 
supposedly being committed to England is very different from an 
Englishman congratulating a South African friend.  The Englishman can be 
seen as simply being a good loser: the South African only as celebrating 
with his countrymen. RH

>Sad day if
>players can no longer be personal friends with players on opposing
>sides, if they can't say [and mean] "Well done!", if they can't have
>a drink together.
> Certainly there have been times when managements
>have felt there was too much fraternising, and have tried to clamp
>down, but this doesn't seem like one of those times.
>
>--

-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

In message <4af1c426$0$2525$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>, lk 
 writes
>>
>>
>> Irrelevant to the point I made as they were all amateur. RH
>
>Irrelevant?

Yes irrelevant because (1) they were not national sides and (2) there 
were no professional selectors in the public eye. RH

>  We're talking about loyalty here.   My point was that if Trott
>as part of an England dressing room is not seen by his peers to be 
>trying hard or
>complacent of failure - there is nothing more likely to get him 
>dropped.
>The media can say what they like but if a bloke is not popular - as
>Owais Shah is finding out - he's not long for the side.

-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

In message 
, 
Offramp  writes
>
>> Of course you are, it suits you liberal bigot tendencies to be so in
>> this highly embarrassing (for you) case. |RH
>
>Hmm. You seem to have drawn a very detailed picture of me based on 6 
>words.

Very few are need tto determine a p[;erson's liberal bigot status... RH
>
>> >"I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa."
>> >"I saw him patting them on the back."
>> >Is this one event or two?
>
>> Sigh. The patting on the back was part of the celebration
>
>I have read neither the article or the book: what was the /rest/ of the 
>celebration?


I have not read the book as yet, but celebration means just that, 
celebrating not quietly patting someone on the back. RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:13:43 +0000, Robert Henderson
 wrote:

>
>Vaughan says celebrating. 

The simpering poof is also trying to sell books.

That's why he's suddenly come "out the closet" and
you can't pick up a newspaper without reading the
latest of gay-boy's comments whereas before you almost
had to pay him for an interview!

In message , marco 
 writes
>ere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>Vaughan says celebrating.
>
>The simpering poof is also trying to sell books.

You mean the husband with young children? RH

>
>That's why he's suddenly come "out the closet" and you can't pick up a 
>newspaper without reading the latest of gay-boy's comments whereas 
>before you almost had to pay him for an interview!

-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:42:11 +0000, Robert Henderson
 wrote:

>In message , marco 
> writes
>>ere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Vaughan says celebrating.
>>
>>The simpering poof is also trying to sell books.
>
>You mean the husband with young children? RH
>

That's the one. Like many other queers who have had kids.

Being an outed queer cricketer wouldn't have done his career
any favors.

In message , marco 
 writes
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Vaughan says celebrating.
>>>
>>>The simpering poof is also trying to sell books.
>>
>>You mean the husband with young children? RH
>>
>
>That's the one. Like many other queers who have had kids.
>
>Being an outed queer cricketer wouldn't have done his career any 
>favors.

And your evidence for being outed is.... RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:29:20 +0000, Robert Henderson
 wrote:

>In message , marco 
> writes
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Vaughan says celebrating.
>>>>
>>>>The simpering poof is also trying to sell books.
>>>
>>>You mean the husband with young children? RH
>>>
>>
>>That's the one. Like many other queers who have had kids.
>>
>>Being an outed queer cricketer wouldn't have done his career any 
>>favors.
>
>And your evidence for being outed is.... RH


Read again, Robert. I'm saying he didn't come "out"
cos it would harm his career.

PS If you think being married and having kids means
you're not queer, read this (if your can stomach it!)

http://tinyurl.com/yb5ohdd

Which contains a list of "famous celebrities" with a
queer parent!

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:05:39 +0000, Robert Henderson
 wrote:

>
>"
>Telegraph
>Jonathan Trott celebrated with South Africans, claims Michael Vaughan 
>Michael Vaughan has accused Ashes hero Jonathan Trott of celebrating 
>with South Africa's players after Proteas' victory over England in 2008.
>
>By Telegraph staff
>Published: 8:47AM GMT 29 Oct 2009
>
>
>Divided loyalty: England's Jonathan Trott will play against his native 
>South Africa this winter Photo: REUTERS Vaughan claimed he saw Trott - 
>born and raised in Johannesburg - congratulating Graeme Smith's side 
>after the match at Edgbaston. South Africa sealed a series victory by 
>winning the game, which was Vaughan's final Test.
>
> Writing in his new autobiography, Time to Declare, Vaughan said: "It 
>was a sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South 
>Africa I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week 
>before he had been our 12th man at Headingley. "I was going into the 
>press conference and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home 
>what English cricket has become like."

'No, Trotty didn't celebrate with us after we defeated England at
Edgbaston,' insisted [Graeme] Smith of the accusation levelled by the
former England captain.

Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1224775/Graeme-Smith-England-skipper-Andrew-Strauss-coming-did-me.html#ixzz0W6JteyNZ
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XBox 360 GT: Broton69

-- 
ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned! 
Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
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In message , Luke Curtis 
 writes
>'No, Trotty didn't celebrate with us after we defeated England at 
>Edgbaston,' insisted [Graeme] Smith of the accusation levelled by the 
>former England captain.
>
>Read more:
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1224775/Graeme-Smith-En
>gland-skipper-Andrew-Strauss-coming-did-me.html#ixzz0W6JteyNZ
>-
>XBox 360 GT: Broton69


So? Why would one believe that? It is one SA sportsman supporting 
another who is in a hole. I'll repeat the point I have made twice and 
which curiously all the respondents have studiously ignored: why would 
the publisher take the chance of a libel suit if it was just Vaughan's 
word? There must be other witnesses.  RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:12:56 +0000, Robert Henderson
 wrote:

>In message , Luke Curtis 
> writes
>>'No, Trotty didn't celebrate with us after we defeated England at 
>>Edgbaston,' insisted [Graeme] Smith of the accusation levelled by the 
>>former England captain.
>>
>>Read more:
>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1224775/Graeme-Smith-En
>>gland-skipper-Andrew-Strauss-coming-did-me.html#ixzz0W6JteyNZ
>>-
>>XBox 360 GT: Broton69
>
>
>So? Why would one believe that? It is one SA sportsman supporting 
>another who is in a hole. 
But whatever you or I think about it Trott plays for England - even if
Trott was 100% SAfrician there is no way he is going to put his place
at risk by doing something as stupid as celebrating with the SA team -
he was simply being a good sport and not being a bad loser by
congratulating a good friend of his who happens to play on the other
side - I'm sure much the same thing happened numerous times between
Richards and Botham.

Also Smith has everything to win and nothing to lose by introducing
divisions into the camp - discrediting the guy who has come into the
England squad and very much looked the part would have been very
divisive.

>I'll repeat the point I have made twice and 
>which curiously all the respondents have studiously ignored: why would 
>the publisher take the chance of a libel suit if it was just Vaughan's 
>word? There must be other witnesses.  RH

"In law, defamation – also called calumny, libel, slander (for spoken
words), and vilification (for written or otherwise published words) –
is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly
stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual,
business, product, group, government or nation a negative image."

Having a drink with a mate and congratulating him on his victory is
hardly murder is it?  Also from what I read it was clearly stated what
Vaughan saw was Trott patting the SA player on the back and laughing
then making it clear what Vaughan's (completely wrong) interpretation
of the scene was rather than stating it as fact which a completely
different situation.
-
XBox 360 GT: Broton69

-- 
ButIstillneedtoknowwhat'sinthere! Thekeytoanysecurity
systemishowit'sdesigned! Thatdependsonwhyitwasdesigned! 
Ihavetoknowwhatwhoeverdesigneditwastryingtoprotect!
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:12:56 +0000, Robert Henderson
 wrote:

>In message , Luke Curtis 
> writes
>>'No, Trotty didn't celebrate with us after we defeated England at 
>>Edgbaston,' insisted [Graeme] Smith of the accusation levelled by the 
>>former England captain.
>>
>>Read more:
>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1224775/Graeme-Smith-En
>>gland-skipper-Andrew-Strauss-coming-did-me.html#ixzz0W6JteyNZ
>>-
>>XBox 360 GT: Broton69
>
>
>So? Why would one believe that? It is one SA sportsman supporting 
>another who is in a hole. I'll repeat the point I have made twice and 
>which curiously all the respondents have studiously ignored: why would 
>the publisher take the chance of a libel suit if it was just Vaughan's 
>word? There must be other witnesses.  RH
>-- 
>Robert Henderson
>Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

The publisher loves it. A good old court case, and the book selling
like hot cakes.

max.it

On 7 Nov, 20:35, (max.it) wrote:

> The publisher loves it. A good old court case, and the book selling
> like hot cakes.

Exactly. Oh look! He's got a book out ! I was quite surprised to see
Robert reeled in by it...

Richard

In message , Luke Curtis 
 writes
>>
>>So? Why would one believe that? It is one SA sportsman supporting
>>another who is in a hole.
>But whatever you or I think about it Trott plays for England - even if 
>Trott was 100% SAfrician there is no way he is going to put his place 
>at risk by doing something as stupid as celebrating with the SA team


You assume that people can control their emotions 100% of the time... 
They can't. RH

>- he was simply being a good sport and not being a bad loser by 
>congratulating a good friend of his who happens to play on the other 
>side - I'm sure much the same thing happened numerous times between 
>Richards and Botham.
>
>Also Smith has everything to win and nothing to lose by introducing 
>divisions into the camp - discrediting the guy who has come into the 
>England squad and very much looked the part would have been very 
>divisive.
>
>>I'll repeat the point I have made twice and
>>which curiously all the respondents have studiously ignored: why would
>>the publisher take the chance of a libel suit if it was just Vaughan's
>>word? There must be other witnesses.  RH
>
>"In law, defamation – also called calumny, libel, slander (for spoken 
>words), and vilification (for written or otherwise published words) – 
>is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly 
>stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, 
>product, group, government or nation a negative image."
>
>Having a drink with a mate and congratulating him on his victory is 
>hardly murder is it?

Wrongfully questioning his commitment to England is a sever libel in the 
context. RH

>Also from what I read it was clearly stated what Vaughan saw was Trott 
>patting the SA player on the back and laughing then making it clear 
>what Vaughan's (completely wrong) interpretation of the scene was 
>rather than stating it as fact which a completely
>different situation.

The publishers would not have taken the chance if their was not solid 
evidence of celebration. The lack of a libel suits tells you all you 
need to know. RH
>-
>XBox 360 GT: Broton69

-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

In message , ?@?.?.invalid writes
>>So? Why would one believe that? It is one SA sportsman supporting
>>another who is in a hole. I'll repeat the point I have made twice and
>>which curiously all the respondents have studiously ignored: why would
>>the publisher take the chance of a libel suit if it was just Vaughan's
>>word? There must be other witnesses.  RH
>>--
>>Robert Henderson
>>Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>
>The publisher loves it. A good old court case, and the book selling 
>like hot cakes.
>

The publisher would most certainly not love it if ordered to pulp all 
remaining books and pay heavy damages and costs... RH

>max.it

-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

In message 
, 
Richard Dixon  writes
>On 7 Nov, 20:35, (max.it) wrote:
>
>> The publisher loves it. A good old court case, and the book selling
>> like hot cakes.
>
>Exactly. Oh look! He's got a book out ! I was quite surprised to see 
>Robert reeled in by it...
>
>Richard


You would be surprised by anything which does not fit into you pc world 
pc Dixon.... RH
-- 
Robert Henderson
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk