> Another GREAT point about all those labour voting scum losing their jobs 
> is
> that their beloved LABOUR govt actually encouraged it to happen, Its 
> GREAT,
> When France, Germany, Spain, Italy and the Benelux countries put in place
> laws and powers that make it very expensive, nigh on impossible and 
> legally
> difficult to ship jobs to other countries ( The French and Germans are
> masters of protectionism)   Briains New Labour government in power for 
> over
> ten long miserable years has refused 100% to put in place similar measure 
> to
> protect british workers.    The Dumb toe rags who voted New Labour voted
> themselves out of work. It was EXACTLY THE SAME when the last of the north
> easts shipyards fought to stay in business, when the Fremnnch , German and
> Norwegian yards got legal protection, THIS LABOUR GOVT once again refused 
> to
> step in and help, allowing ship building yards to be forced to close. And
> again   This Labour govt let Rover die, because unlike the germans , 
> french
> and spanish govts they refused to protect the domestic car makers.
>
> Thousands and thousands of job gone, all thanks to New Labour, and do you
> know what?, The stupid dumb fucks will vote labour again next time.
>

The icing on the cake will be this problems in the financial sector caused 
by poor fiscal management of New labour meaning many of these people losing 
their jobs because they voted labour, will also lose their homes. Its a good 
christmas seeing labour voting scum suffer.


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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:24:15 -0000, "The Rifleman"
 wrote:

>> Another GREAT point about all those labour voting scum losing their jobs 
>> is
>> that their beloved LABOUR govt actually encouraged it to happen, Its 
>> GREAT,
>> When France, Germany, Spain, Italy and the Benelux countries put in place
>> laws and powers that make it very expensive, nigh on impossible and 
>> legally
>> difficult to ship jobs to other countries ( The French and Germans are
>> masters of protectionism)   Briains New Labour government in power for 
>> over
>> ten long miserable years has refused 100% to put in place similar measure 
>> to
>> protect british workers.    The Dumb toe rags who voted New Labour voted
>> themselves out of work. It was EXACTLY THE SAME when the last of the north
>> easts shipyards fought to stay in business, when the Fremnnch , German and
>> Norwegian yards got legal protection, THIS LABOUR GOVT once again refused 
>> to
>> step in and help, allowing ship building yards to be forced to close. And
>> again   This Labour govt let Rover die, because unlike the germans , 
>> french
>> and spanish govts they refused to protect the domestic car makers.
>>
>> Thousands and thousands of job gone, all thanks to New Labour, and do you
>> know what?, The stupid dumb fucks will vote labour again next time.
>>

Lets see your arguements:

Tories refuse to subsidise industries and they fail - market forces
and a bone idol workforce.

Labour refuses to subsidise industries and they fail - its the
governments fault.

Make your mind up...


>
>The icing on the cake will be this problems in the financial sector caused 
>by poor fiscal management of New labour meaning many of these people losing 
>their jobs because they voted labour, will also lose their homes. Its a good 
>christmas seeing labour voting scum suffer.
>
>
New Labour is responsible for problems caused by an economy run by
George Bush?

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"Shaun"  wrote in message 
news:4762da69.96914281@news.ntlworld.com...

>
> Lets see your arguements:
>
> Tories refuse to subsidise industries and they fail - market forces
> and a bone idol workforce.

Yes in the tories cae it was the trade unions and out dated working practise 
that caused the problem, IE almost weekly strikes.


> Labour refuses to subsidise industries and they fail - its the
> governments fault.

Not subsidies, equal rights for their workers on par with their european 
colleagues,  New Labour refused to give our workers the same protects the 
frogs and gerrys got, and now the stupid labourites are paying for it.  That 
and New Labour letting in millions of eastern europeans to take the working 
class mans traditional jobs, a self inflicted double whammy caused by the 
left,.
>

--I can remember most clearly the 70s when I was a soldier, many a day spent 
covering for strikers in the docks, strikers at the coleries, strikers at 
the ship yards, strikers at the car plants,strking train drivers, striking 
postmen, striking print workers, striking council workers, rolling black 
outs, three day weeks, power cuts, flying pickets, riots, walk outs, work to 
rules, the unions and the lefts with its militant action crippling the 
country year in year out. We made cars no one wanted, mined coal that was 
cheaper to ship from Australia than yorkshire, Red Robbo, Ken Livingstoe,, 
Arthur Scargill all militant commie scum ruining this once great country. 
Maggie put the unions down and laid the foundations of our modern economy. 
New Labour when it came to power could have taken steps to protect our 
industry and economy from eastern workers, and cost cutters . All they had 
to do was to put in place those few bits of legislation the French, German 
and Italians government did that would make it bloody hard and very 
expensive to dump british workers and move their work outside the UK. But 
No, New labour shafted the work force the same way the trade unions did, not 
the chickens have come home to roost.   In the last 10 years the Labour govt 
said it has created 1 million new jobs, but this week its own officers admit 
that 80% of the new jobs went to foreign  migrants. Not only that but the 
same labour govt that wanted more EU members and open borders saw approx 2 
million illegal immigrants and asylum seekers pour unchecked into the UK, 
topped off with NOT the 1500 Poles New Labour said was coming, but over 
700,000  of em all taking jobs that were normally done by the labour voting 
working class.

The fools stupid enough to vote labour three times now face unchecked 
migration, the jobs the foreigners dont take moving overseas, and now thanks 
to poor fiscal management a good chance of losing their homes.
Hardy HarHar Har

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:57:05 +0000, The Rifleman wrote:

> --I can remember most clearly the 70s when I was a soldier,


So your job was subsidised too.

Snout in the trough for how long?

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"Thored"  wrote in message 
news:ejB8j.60198$315.43400@newsfet10.ams...
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:57:05 +0000, The Rifleman wrote:
>
>> --I can remember most clearly the 70s when I was a soldier,
>
>
> So your job was subsidised too.
>
> Snout in the trough for how long?

Wasnt paid anything like enough  deling with the IRA or clearing rubbish off 
the streets, or driving agreen goddess  unlike the  bloosdy bomne idle trade 
union scum jumping hoops for their masters in Moscow.  Thank god for Maggie 
being willing to take on the left wing scum.

Remember folks its the same labour govt that gave away more of our rights 
yesterday to the EU, that refused to protect your jobs.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:05:57 +0000, The Rifleman wrote:

> 
> 


> "Thored"  wrote in message 
> news:ejB8j.60198$315.43400@newsfet10.ams...
>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:57:05 +0000, The Rifleman wrote:
>>
>>> I can remember most clearly the 70s when I was a soldier,
>>
>>
>> So your job was subsidised too.
>>
>> Snout in the trough for how long?
> 
> Wasnt paid anything like enough  deling with the IRA or clearing rubbish off 
> the streets, or driving agreen goddess  unlike the  bloosdy bomne idle trade 
> union scum jumping hoops for their masters in Moscow.  Thank god for Maggie 
> being willing to take on the left wing scum. 
> 
>
Ah!
A Daily Mail reading hypocrite slagging off honest hard working men while
syphoning off their hard earned money.

Aye good times for long term labour voters, Thanks to the greedy money 
grubbing labour govt, Fuel Poverty has risen by 40 % in the last few years, 
the average person now paying out over £924 in energy bills, Energy costs 
have risen by 60% in 4 years which not only means much higher bills for home 
owners, but MASSIVE increases in Vat and other taxes from the fuel and 
energy companies to the government. So now while the labour govt rakes in 
BILLIONS and BILLIONS in extra revenue thanks to higher fuel and energy 
prices , to give away in foreign aid, more than 1.5 million people now live 
in fuel poverty. These are normally the working class elderly the 
traditional supporters of new labour who now have the choice of wether to 
eat or heat , but not both. Nice one New Labour.

BBC News 24
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:45:34 -0000, "The Rifleman"
 wrote:

>Aye good times for long term labour voters, Thanks to the greedy money 
>grubbing labour govt, Fuel Poverty has risen by 40 % in the last few years, 
>the average person now paying out over £924 in energy bills, Energy costs 
>have risen by 60% in 4 years which not only means much higher bills for home 
>owners, but MASSIVE increases in Vat and other taxes from the fuel and 
>energy companies to the government. So now while the labour govt rakes in 
>BILLIONS and BILLIONS in extra revenue thanks to higher fuel and energy 
>prices , to give away in foreign aid, more than 1.5 million people now live 
>in fuel poverty. These are normally the working class elderly the 
>traditional supporters of new labour who now have the choice of wether to 
>eat or heat , but not both. Nice one New Labour.
>
>BBC News 24

They could charge us 10,000 a year and get away with it. 
No support for the fuel protests today, in spite of the costs
crippling businesses and individuals.
We are gutless and deserve everything we get.

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"Maria"  wrote in message 
news:68n7m31q6ot2t1rk9hcja2egpu6t5f6e9d@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:45:34 -0000, "The Rifleman"
>  wrote:
>
>>Aye good times for long term labour voters, Thanks to the greedy money
>>grubbing labour govt, Fuel Poverty has risen by 40 % in the last few 
>>years,
>>the average person now paying out over £924 in energy bills, Energy costs
>>have risen by 60% in 4 years which not only means much higher bills for 
>>home
>>owners, but MASSIVE increases in Vat and other taxes from the fuel and
>>energy companies to the government. So now while the labour govt rakes in
>>BILLIONS and BILLIONS in extra revenue thanks to higher fuel and energy
>>prices , to give away in foreign aid, more than 1.5 million people now 
>>live
>>in fuel poverty. These are normally the working class elderly the
>>traditional supporters of new labour who now have the choice of wether to
>>eat or heat , but not both. Nice one New Labour.
>>
>>BBC News 24
>
> They could charge us 10,000 a year and get away with it.
> No support for the fuel protests today, in spite of the costs
> crippling businesses and individuals.
> We are gutless and deserve everything we get.
>

Exactly Maria,   I always say Britain gets exactly the type of government it 
desrves, and its members are truly representative  of the average British 
voter.  Devious, Dishonest, Untrustworthy Chavs

On 15 Dec, 19:00, "The Rifleman"  wrote:
> --
> If you stay ready, you dont have to get ready."Maria"  wrote in message
>
> news:68n7m31q6ot2t1rk9hcja2egpu6t5f6e9d@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:45:34 -0000, "The Rifleman"
> >  wrote:
>
> >>Aye good times for long term labour voters, Thanks to the greedy money
> >>grubbing labour govt, Fuel Poverty has risen by 40 % in the last few
> >>years,
> >>the average person now paying out over £924 in energy bills, Energy costs
> >>have risen by 60% in 4 years which not only means much higher bills for
> >>home
> >>owners, but MASSIVE increases in Vat and other taxes from the fuel and
> >>energy companies to the government. So now while the labour govt rakes in
> >>BILLIONS and BILLIONS in extra revenue thanks to higher fuel and energy
> >>prices , to give away in foreign aid, more than 1.5 million people now
> >>live
> >>in fuel poverty. These are normally the working class elderly the
> >>traditional supporters of new labour who now have the choice of wether to
> >>eat or heat , but not both. Nice one New Labour.
>
> >>BBC News 24
>
> > They could charge us 10,000 a year and get away with it.
> > No support for the fuel protests today, in spite of the costs
> > crippling businesses and individuals.
> > We are gutless and deserve everything we get.
>
> Exactly Maria,   I always say Britain gets exactly the type of government it
> desrves, and its members are truly representative  of the average British
> voter.  Devious, Dishonest, Untrustworthy Chavs

I would suggest that most people don't vote because they know it will
make no difference and no party represents the average person. Apart
from people who live off benefits the vast majority would rather they
were left alone to live their lives without any government
interference. It's difficult, however, to imagine a candidate saying
vote for me and I will do nothing, not take a penny in salary and have
nothing to do with you.

I would suggest that most people don't vote because they know it will
make no difference and no party represents the average person. Apart
from people who live off benefits the vast majority would rather they
were left alone to live their lives without any government
interference. It's difficult, however, to imagine a candidate saying
vote for me and I will do nothing, not take a penny in salary and have
nothing to do with you.

I always laugh at the poor saps who say " But I get £17 a month in child 
benefits, £20 in tax credits, £30 council tax back off New Labour"    Then I 
point out that for New Labout to give them his £67 they first take £150 of 
him for the same period in Tax and NI.

Pete L wrote:

> On 15 Dec, 19:00, "The Rifleman"  wrote:

>>If you stay ready, you dont have to get ready."Maria"  wrote in message
>>
>>news:68n7m31q6ot2t1rk9hcja2egpu6t5f6e9d@4ax.com...

>>>On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:45:34 -0000, "The Rifleman"
>>> wrote:

>>>>Aye good times for long term labour voters, Thanks to the greedy money
>>>>grubbing labour govt, Fuel Poverty has risen by 40 % in the last few
>>>>years,
>>>>the average person now paying out over £924 in energy bills, Energy costs
>>>>have risen by 60% in 4 years which not only means much higher bills for
>>>>home
>>>>owners, but MASSIVE increases in Vat and other taxes from the fuel and
>>>>energy companies to the government. So now while the labour govt rakes in
>>>>BILLIONS and BILLIONS in extra revenue thanks to higher fuel and energy
>>>>prices , to give away in foreign aid, more than 1.5 million people now
>>>>live
>>>>in fuel poverty. These are normally the working class elderly the
>>>>traditional supporters of new labour who now have the choice of wether to
>>>>eat or heat , but not both. Nice one New Labour.
>>
>>>>BBC News 24
>>
>>>They could charge us 10,000 a year and get away with it.
>>>No support for the fuel protests today, in spite of the costs
>>>crippling businesses and individuals.
>>>We are gutless and deserve everything we get.

>>Exactly Maria,   I always say Britain gets exactly the type of government it
>>desrves, and its members are truly representative  of the average British
>>voter.  Devious, Dishonest, Untrustworthy Chavs

> I would suggest that most people don't vote because they know it will
> make no difference and no party represents the average person. Apart
> from people who live off benefits the vast majority would rather they
> were left alone to live their lives without any government
> interference. It's difficult, however, to imagine a candidate saying
> vote for me and I will do nothing, not take a penny in salary and have
> nothing to do with you.

Except for Maria who wants good cheap package delivery.

On Dec 15, 7:25 pm, Pete L  wrote:
> On 15 Dec, 19:00, "The Rifleman"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > --
> > If you stay ready, you dont have to get ready."Maria"  wrote in message
>
> >news:68n7m31q6ot2t1rk9hcja2egpu6t5f6e9d@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:45:34 -0000, "The Rifleman"
> > >  wrote:
>
> > >>Aye good times for long term labour voters, Thanks to the greedy money> > >>grubbing labour govt, Fuel Poverty has risen by 40 % in the last few
> > >>years,
> > >>the average person now paying out over £924 in energy bills, Energy costs
> > >>have risen by 60% in 4 years which not only means much higher bills for
> > >>home
> > >>owners, but MASSIVE increases in Vat and other taxes from the fuel and> > >>energy companies to the government. So now while the labour govt rakes in
> > >>BILLIONS and BILLIONS in extra revenue thanks to higher fuel and energy
> > >>prices , to give away in foreign aid, more than 1.5 million people now> > >>live
> > >>in fuel poverty. These are normally the working class elderly the
> > >>traditional supporters of new labour who now have the choice of wether to
> > >>eat or heat , but not both. Nice one New Labour.
>
> > >>BBC News 24
>
> > > They could charge us 10,000 a year and get away with it.
> > > No support for the fuel protests today, in spite of the costs
> > > crippling businesses and individuals.
> > > We are gutless and deserve everything we get.
>
> > Exactly Maria,   I always say Britain gets exactly the type of government it
> > desrves, and its members are truly representative  of the average British
> > voter.  Devious, Dishonest, Untrustworthy Chavs
>
> I would suggest that most people don't vote because they know it will
> make no difference and no party represents the average person. Apart
> from people who live off benefits the vast majority would rather they
> were left alone to live their lives without any government
> interference. It's difficult, however, to imagine a candidate saying
> vote for me and I will do nothing, not take a penny in salary and have
> nothing to do with you.

Most people do vote, and always have.  We give away a tiny percentage
of income in the form of foreign aid, certainly a tiny fraction of
income through tax on fuel.  The elderly can get up to £300 as a
`winter heating allowance` which should be enough to avoid having to
choose between `eating or heating`.

It's hard to imagine many candidates saying vote for me and I'll get
rid of loads of tax on fuel, income etc, as they realise that the UK
already has comparatively low tax already and large tax cuts are
unrealistic without harming education, health, the police, transport
etc.  Still, if anyone's got any ideas I'd be interested to hear them.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:30:59 -0000, "The Rifleman" 
wrote:

>. It's difficult, however, to imagine a candidate saying
>vote for me and I will do nothing, not take a penny in salary and have
>nothing to do with you.

That the state is essentially a racket run for
the benefit of those who hold positions of 
power and the stinking rich is now beyond
dispute. Life is very much like a shit sandwich
the more bread you have the less shit you
have to eat. 

Get rich or get used to it!
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:57:15 +0000, Maria 
wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:45:34 -0000, "The Rifleman"
> wrote:
>
>>Aye good times for long term labour voters, Thanks to the greedy money 
>>grubbing labour govt, Fuel Poverty has risen by 40 % in the last few years, 
>>the average person now paying out over £924 in energy bills, Energy costs 
>>have risen by 60% in 4 years which not only means much higher bills for home 
>>owners, but MASSIVE increases in Vat and other taxes from the fuel and 
>>energy companies to the government. So now while the labour govt rakes in 
>>BILLIONS and BILLIONS in extra revenue thanks to higher fuel and energy 
>>prices , to give away in foreign aid, more than 1.5 million people now live 
>>in fuel poverty. These are normally the working class elderly the 
>>traditional supporters of new labour who now have the choice of wether to 
>>eat or heat , but not both. Nice one New Labour.
>>
>>BBC News 24
>
>They could charge us 10,000 a year and get away with it. 
>No support for the fuel protests today, in spite of the costs
>crippling businesses and individuals.
>We are gutless and deserve everything we get.

That the state is essentially a racket run for
the benefit of those who hold positions of 
power and the stinking rich is now beyond
dispute. Life is very much like a shit sandwich
the more bread you have the less shit you
have to eat. 

Get rich or get used to it!

Most people do vote, and always have.  We give away a tiny percentage
of income in the form of foreign aid, certainly a tiny fraction of
income through tax on fuel.  The elderly can get up to £300 as a
`winter heating allowance` which should be enough to avoid having to
choose between `eating or heating`.

I see on this mornings news the amount of homeless children in the Uk has 
now doubled to 130,000,  nice to see labour giving illegal immigrants 4000 
pounds to fuck off home while thousands of british families are left to rot.

"Poldie"  wrote in message
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On Dec 15, 7:25 pm, Pete L  wrote:
> On 15 Dec, 19:00, "The Rifleman"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > --
> > If you stay ready, you dont have to get ready."Maria"
 wrote in message
>
> >news:68n7m31q6ot2t1rk9hcja2egpu6t5f6e9d@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:45:34 -0000, "The Rifleman"
> > >  wrote:
>
> > >>Aye good times for long term labour voters, Thanks to the greedy money
> > >>grubbing labour govt, Fuel Poverty has risen by 40 % in the last few
> > >>years,
> > >>the average person now paying out over £924 in energy bills, Energy
costs
> > >>have risen by 60% in 4 years which not only means much higher bills
for
> > >>home
> > >>owners, but MASSIVE increases in Vat and other taxes from the fuel and
> > >>energy companies to the government. So now while the labour govt rakes
in
> > >>BILLIONS and BILLIONS in extra revenue thanks to higher fuel and
energy
> > >>prices , to give away in foreign aid, more than 1.5 million people now
> > >>live
> > >>in fuel poverty. These are normally the working class elderly the
> > >>traditional supporters of new labour who now have the choice of wether
to
> > >>eat or heat , but not both. Nice one New Labour.
>
> > >>BBC News 24
>
> > > They could charge us 10,000 a year and get away with it.
> > > No support for the fuel protests today, in spite of the costs
> > > crippling businesses and individuals.
> > > We are gutless and deserve everything we get.
>
> > Exactly Maria,   I always say Britain gets exactly the type of
government it
> > desrves, and its members are truly representative  of the average
British
> > voter.  Devious, Dishonest, Untrustworthy Chavs
>
> I would suggest that most people don't vote because they know it will
> make no difference and no party represents the average person. Apart
> from people who live off benefits the vast majority would rather they
> were left alone to live their lives without any government
> interference. It's difficult, however, to imagine a candidate saying
> vote for me and I will do nothing, not take a penny in salary and have
> nothing to do with you.

Most people do vote, and always have.  We give away a tiny percentage
of income in the form of foreign aid, certainly a tiny fraction of
income through tax on fuel.  The elderly can get up to £300 as a
`winter heating allowance` which should be enough to avoid having to
choose between `eating or heating`.

It's hard to imagine many candidates saying vote for me and I'll get
rid of loads of tax on fuel, income etc, as they realise that the UK
already has comparatively low tax already and large tax cuts are
unrealistic without harming education, health, the police, transport
etc.  Still, if anyone's got any ideas I'd be interested to hear them.

Well here's where you start. First the Government tells the private cartel
that is the Bank of England to fuck off. The main reason we all pay taxes in
whatever form is because the Government borrows from said BoE. The
Government then prints it's own money which they do via the Royal Mint BUT
they then give it to the BoE who then LOAN it back to the Government at
INTEREST and that's COMPOUND INTEREST. The Government can then use it's own
money to pay it's debts without paying interest, it can pay for anything it
likes, start work schemes, initatives etc like building new schools,
hospitals, prisons etc and no it won't cause inflation. Unemployment would
be virtually zero. This is not a utopian dream it's exactly what Abraham
Lincoln did during the American Civil War because he refused to take money
in the form of loans from the bankers. Greenbacks as they were called. It
helped Lincoln finance the war without burdening the people with debt and
yes that's why they eventually assassinated him. Search on youtube for Money
as Debt and you'll see what I'm getting at.

Redman