What on earth was to stop the Spanish warship blowing the 'pirate' 
vessel out of the water after the exchange had been made - and sending 
the Somali criminals and their $3 million to the bottom of the ocean?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD9C1HBOG1

In news:he118m$13r8$1@energise.enta.net The gods have made us mad
 wrote: 

> What on earth was to stop the Spanish warship blowing the 'pirate' 
> vessel out of the water after the exchange had been made - and sending
> the Somali criminals and their $3 million to the bottom of the ocean?

Honor among thieves.

-- 
Bert Hyman	St. Paul, MN	bert@iphouse.com

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:44:35 +0000, The gods have made us mad
 wrote:

>
>
>What on earth was to stop the Spanish warship blowing the 'pirate' 
>vessel out of the water after the exchange had been made - and sending 
>the Somali criminals and their $3 million to the bottom of the ocean?
>
>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD9C1HBOG1

now they can buy faster boats and a better armory

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On Nov 18, 2:44 pm, The gods have made us mad
 wrote:
> What on earth was to stop the Spanish warship blowing the 'pirate'
> vessel out of the water after the exchange had been made - and sending
> the Somali criminals and their $3 million to the bottom of the ocean?
>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtP...

consider reprisals against hostages;
OTOH perhaps it's time to bring on the Q-Ships.

William Black wrote:
> Roger Dewhurst wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What on earth was to stop the Spanish warship blowing the 'pirate' 
>>>>>> vessel out of the water after the exchange had been made - and 
>>>>>> sending the Somali criminals and their $3 million to the bottom of 
>>>>>> the ocean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD9C1HBOG1 
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing except that,  so far,  nobody has died in this incident.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Surely, that's the problem?
>>>>
>>>> Until the West starts sinking the Somali boats as a matter of 
>>>> routine, the kidnappings will continue?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well it's like this.
>>>
>>> There is no fish, the fish all having been caught by big Korean and 
>>> Japanese trawlers.
>>>
>>> So the Somali fishermen who have guns and boats and do piracy instead 
>>> to make ends meet.
>>>
>>> There's no way to tell the difference between a Somali fisherman 
>>> called Selim going about his lawful business armed with his AK to 
>>> protect his catch and 'Selim the Pirate'.
>>>
>>> There is next to no evidence of large organised gangs.
>>>
>>> So far the shipping companies and the insurers just pay up and look 
>>> happy because the pirates don't kill anyone after the ship has been 
>>> taken,  they won't even delay sailings to form conveys because it 
>>> would cost too much...
>>>
>>> It's a 3,000 Km long coastline that's going to need a gazillion ships 
>>> and men to control.
>>>
>>> Killing people probably isn't going to help,  it hasn't so far.
>>>
>>
>> Just mount a couple 50mm machine guns on each ship with a couple of 
>> men to operate them.
>>
> 
> One of the things that legally defines a pirate ship in law is 'ships 
> mounting fixed weapons while not being part of a navy'.
> 
> All you can do is arm the crew.

Use your imagination Willie.  There is more in life than the Scots 
cyclops arse 20mm in front of your nose.

R
> 
> 
>

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> What on earth was to stop the Spanish warship blowing the 'pirate' 
>>> vessel out of the water after the exchange had been made - and 
>>> sending the Somali criminals and their $3 million to the bottom of 
>>> the ocean?
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD9C1HBOG1 
>>>
>>
>> Nothing except that,  so far,  nobody has died in this incident.
> 
> 
> Surely, that's the problem?
> 
> Until the West starts sinking the Somali boats as a matter of routine, 
> the kidnappings will continue?
> 

Well it's like this.

There is no fish, the fish all having been caught by big Korean and 
Japanese trawlers.

So the Somali fishermen who have guns and boats and do piracy instead to 
make ends meet.

There's no way to tell the difference between a Somali fisherman called 
Selim going about his lawful business armed with his AK to protect his 
catch and 'Selim the Pirate'.

There is next to no evidence of large organised gangs.

So far the shipping companies and the insurers just pay up and look 
happy because the pirates don't kill anyone after the ship has been 
taken,  they won't even delay sailings to form conveys because it would 
cost too much...

It's a 3,000 Km long coastline that's going to need a gazillion ships 
and men to control.

Killing people probably isn't going to help,  it hasn't so far.

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Nov 18, 6:44 am, The gods have made us mad
 wrote:
> What on earth was to stop the Spanish warship blowing the 'pirate'
> vessel out of the water after the exchange had been made - and sending
> the Somali criminals and their $3 million to the bottom of the ocean?
>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtP...

Only if they paid them by check.

William Black wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What on earth was to stop the Spanish warship blowing the 'pirate' 
>>>> vessel out of the water after the exchange had been made - and 
>>>> sending the Somali criminals and their $3 million to the bottom of 
>>>> the ocean?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD9C1HBOG1 
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing except that,  so far,  nobody has died in this incident.
>>
>>
>> Surely, that's the problem?
>>
>> Until the West starts sinking the Somali boats as a matter of routine, 
>> the kidnappings will continue?
>>
> 
> Well it's like this.
> 
> There is no fish, the fish all having been caught by big Korean and 
> Japanese trawlers.
> 
> So the Somali fishermen who have guns and boats and do piracy instead to 
> make ends meet.
> 
> There's no way to tell the difference between a Somali fisherman called 
> Selim going about his lawful business armed with his AK to protect his 
> catch and 'Selim the Pirate'.
> 
> There is next to no evidence of large organised gangs.
> 
> So far the shipping companies and the insurers just pay up and look 
> happy because the pirates don't kill anyone after the ship has been 
> taken,  they won't even delay sailings to form conveys because it would 
> cost too much...
> 
> It's a 3,000 Km long coastline that's going to need a gazillion ships 
> and men to control.
> 
> Killing people probably isn't going to help,  it hasn't so far.
> 

Just mount a couple 50mm machine guns on each ship with a couple of men 
to operate them.

R

Roger Dewhurst wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What on earth was to stop the Spanish warship blowing the 'pirate' 
>>>>> vessel out of the water after the exchange had been made - and 
>>>>> sending the Somali criminals and their $3 million to the bottom of 
>>>>> the ocean?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD9C1HBOG1 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nothing except that,  so far,  nobody has died in this incident.
>>>
>>>
>>> Surely, that's the problem?
>>>
>>> Until the West starts sinking the Somali boats as a matter of 
>>> routine, the kidnappings will continue?
>>>
>>
>> Well it's like this.
>>
>> There is no fish, the fish all having been caught by big Korean and 
>> Japanese trawlers.
>>
>> So the Somali fishermen who have guns and boats and do piracy instead 
>> to make ends meet.
>>
>> There's no way to tell the difference between a Somali fisherman 
>> called Selim going about his lawful business armed with his AK to 
>> protect his catch and 'Selim the Pirate'.
>>
>> There is next to no evidence of large organised gangs.
>>
>> So far the shipping companies and the insurers just pay up and look 
>> happy because the pirates don't kill anyone after the ship has been 
>> taken,  they won't even delay sailings to form conveys because it 
>> would cost too much...
>>
>> It's a 3,000 Km long coastline that's going to need a gazillion ships 
>> and men to control.
>>
>> Killing people probably isn't going to help,  it hasn't so far.
>>
> 
> Just mount a couple 50mm machine guns on each ship with a couple of men 
> to operate them.
> 

One of the things that legally defines a pirate ship in law is 'ships 
mounting fixed weapons while not being part of a navy'.

All you can do is arm the crew.



-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.