Claire  gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> > Christ commanded us to be in the world but not of the world, and here
>> > you are making worldly arguments against the Gospel!!

>> Pardon?

> An arguement made by atheists will not convince me!

Your mind is clearly closed tighter than the proverbial nun's chuff.

>> > This sort of thing is exactly why I personally could not have as my
>> > minister or be a member of a church endorsing homosexuality – because
>> > I look to ministers for spiritual guidance (not answers I should make
>> > clear) and I need confidence that those in that position actually
>> > have the same starting point of faith that I do.

>> Ah. Gotcha. You want "guidance", but only so long as it doesn't
>> conflict with your preconceptions.

> Oh come now! You would not expect me to accept the word of a minister
> without question would you? ;-)

It's easy to do so, if you only go for a minister who you broadly agree 
with.

>> > Should have posted the other translation. The fact that a word can be
>> > translated to mean “homosexual” does tell us something. You cannot
>> > selectively misunderstand  the meaning of words.

>> Of course you can't. Not when that meaning's been so carefully selected
>> from several equally viable alternatives in the first place...

> I don't see I have done that. Words from other languages do not always
> have exact translations into English. It is best therefore to know all
> possible translations to try to get a full understanding of the meaning.

Yet you seem to be picking only the possible translations that fit your 
preconceptions - preconceptions on which, you've already admitted, you 
choose your church.

Italian, Russian Police Break Up Child Snuff Porn Ring
Jewish Gangsters Raped, Killed Children As Young As Two On Film

Rome, Italy -- Italian and Russian police, working together, broke up a ring 
of Jewish gangsters who had been involved in the manufacture of child rape 
and snuff pornography. 

Three Russian Jews and eight Italian Jews were arrested after police 
discovered they had been kidnapping non-Jewish children between the ages of 
two and five years from Russian orphanages, raping the children, and then 
murdering them on film. Mostly non-Jewish customers, including 1,700 
nationwide, 600 in Italy, and an unknown number in the United States, paid 
as much as $20,000 per film to watch little children being raped and 
murdered. 

Jewish officials in a major Italian news agency tried to cover the story up, 
but were circumvented by Italian news reporters, who broadcast scenes from 
the films live at prime time on Italian television to more than 11 million 
Italian viewers. Jewish officials then fired the executives responsible, 
claiming they were spreading "blood libel." 

Throughout history, various groups have accused sects of Jews of ritually 
murdering small children. One such account, that of Hugh of Lincoln, led to 
the expulsion of all Jews from Britain in the 13th Century. Such accounts 
have generally been discounted, but are so widespread that Jewish 
organizations have developed a name for them -- "blood libel." 

Though AP and Reuters both ran stories on the episode, US media 
conglomerates refused to carry the story on television news, again saying 
the story would prejudice Americans against Jews. 

Jewish gangsters in Russia have become increasingly linked to traffic in 
"white slaves" and prostitutes through Israel, according to a recent report 
in the Jerusalem Post. Israel turns an official blind eye to forced 
prostitution, and does not punish Israeli citizens who choose to own "sex 
slaves" as long as the slaves are foreign and non-Jews. 

http://www.libertariansocialist.com 

http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/jewporn.html

url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1212-1.aspx

On Nov 4, 5:59 pm, "Zora
Starr" wrote:
> Italian, Russian Police Break Up Child Snuff Porn Ring
> Jewish Gangsters Raped, Killed Children As Young As Two On Film
>
> Rome, Italy -- Italian and Russian police, working together, broke up a ring
> of Jewish gangsters who had been involved in the manufacture of child rape
> and snuff pornography.
>
> Three Russian Jews and eight Italian Jews were arrested after police
> discovered they had been kidnapping non-Jewish children between the ages of
> two and five years from Russian orphanages, raping the children, and then
> murdering them on film. Mostly non-Jewish customers, including 1,700
> nationwide, 600 in Italy, and an unknown number in the United States, paid
> as much as $20,000 per film to watch little children being raped and
> murdered.
>
> Jewish officials in a major Italian news agency tried to cover the story up,
> but were circumvented by Italian news reporters, who broadcast scenes from
> the films live at prime time on Italian television to more than 11 million
> Italian viewers. Jewish officials then fired the executives responsible,
> claiming they were spreading "blood libel."
>
> Throughout history, various groups have accused sects of Jews of ritually
> murdering small children. One such account, that of Hugh of Lincoln, led to
> the expulsion of all Jews from Britain in the 13th Century. Such accounts
> have generally been discounted, but are so widespread that Jewish
> organizations have developed a name for them -- "blood libel."
>
> Though AP and Reuters both ran stories on the episode, US media
> conglomerates refused to carry the story on television news, again saying
> the story would prejudice Americans against Jews.
>
> Jewish gangsters in Russia have become increasingly linked to traffic in
> "white slaves" and prostitutes through Israel, according to a recent report
> in the Jerusalem Post. Israel turns an official blind eye to forced
> prostitution, and does not punish Israeli citizens who choose to own "sex
> slaves" as long as the slaves are foreign and non-Jews.
>
> http://www.libertariansocialist.com
>
> http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/jewporn.html
>
> url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/1212-1.aspx

Wot?!  No link to clips on YouTube?

UD

Zora Starr wrote:
> Italian, Russian Police Break Up Child Snuff Porn Ring
> Jewish Gangsters Raped, Killed Children As Young As Two On Film
> 

"Iran is a source, transit, and destination for men, women, and children 
trafficked for the purposes of sexual exploitation and involuntary 
servitude. Iranian women are trafficked internally for the purpose of 
forced prostitution and forced marriages. Iranian and Afghan children 
living in Iran are trafficked internally for the purpose of forced 
marriages, commercial sexual exploitation and involuntary servitude as 
beggars or laborers to pay debts, provide income or support drug 
addiction of their families".
U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2009


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> url:http://myreader.co.uk/gp/l2l2-1.aspx