http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8342668.stm

"The teenager who murdered schoolboy Rhys Jones has stabbed the killer of 
former altar boy Jimmy Mizen during a fight in prison."

True Blue wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8342668.stm
> 
> "The teenager who murdered schoolboy Rhys Jones has stabbed the killer 
> of former altar boy Jimmy Mizen during a fight in prison."

Good let the fucking lot of them kill each other.

Well there you go.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:23:21 -0000, "Aramis Gunton"
 wrote:

>Well there you go.

yes, that was indeed carelessly foolish....but i expect it will slide
    away into the long grass

regards

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"abelard"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:23:21 -0000, "Aramis Gunton"
>  wrote:
>
>>Well there you go.
>
> yes, that was indeed carelessly foolish....but i expect it will slide
>    away into the long grass

To be frank it is the political  'long grass' that worries me.

I wonder just how the little people of Germany truly feel about the possible 
accession of Turkey?

Some appear less than enamoured at the present occupiers.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,654955,00.html
" An opinion poll published in Bild am Sonntag newspaper on Sunday showed 51 
percent of Germans agreed with Sarrazin's statement in the magazine 
interview that Turkish immigrants were "neither willing nor able to 
integrate themselves."

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:57:48 -0000, "Aramis Gunton"
 wrote:

>"abelard"  wrote in message 
>news:bqc3f5993hlp81n1u1k30lknocrjm4vs7r@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:23:21 -0000, "Aramis Gunton"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Well there you go.
>>
>> yes, that was indeed carelessly foolish....but i expect it will slide
>>    away into the long grass
>
>To be frank it is the political  'long grass' that worries me.
>
>I wonder just how the little people of Germany truly feel about the possible 
>accession of Turkey?
>
>Some appear less than enamoured at the present occupiers.
>
>http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,654955,00.html
>" An opinion poll published in Bild am Sonntag newspaper on Sunday showed 51 
>percent of Germans agreed with Sarrazin's statement in the magazine 
>interview that Turkish immigrants were "neither willing nor able to 
>integrate themselves."

as things stand, i don't believe the eussr is stable...
i think it's a paper tiger...

what is your fear re the long grass?
do you really believe 'they' will dare open that door?

regards

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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:20:54 -0000, "True Blue" 
wrote:

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8342668.stm
>
>"The teenager who murdered schoolboy Rhys Jones has stabbed the killer of 
>former altar boy Jimmy Mizen during a fight in prison." 

Absolutely hilarious, wonderful!

"Ste"  wrote in message 
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> On 4 Nov, 16:43, Theodore  wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:20:54 -0000, "True Blue" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8342668.stm
>>
>> >"The teenager who murdered schoolboy Rhys Jones has stabbed the killer 
>> >of
>> >former altar boy Jimmy Mizen during a fight in prison."
>>
>> Absolutely hilarious, wonderful!
>
> Is almost everyone who posts to uk.politics a sort of small weakling,
> who were bullied terribly at school, who now work as snivelling
> functionaries in some menial job, and who now get their pleasure in
> watching other people get hurt, denigrated, even killed? It's very sad.

Speaking for myself, I used to bully people like you. It felt good.

One piece of utter scum is given a taste of his own medicine by another. To 
any sane person, that's justice. You think of that attitude as being "sad". 
I suggest your attitude is one of the underlying reasons that some estates 
in this country are places of abject misery.

True Blue wrote:

> One piece of utter scum is given a taste of his own medicine by
> another. To any sane person, that's justice.

No, to any sane person that's anarchy and barbary.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:59:58 -0800 (PST), Ste 
wrote:

>> One piece of utter scum is given a taste of his own medicine by another.
>
>But it's the sort of medicine that people adapt to, and eventually
>start to dish out to others. Each time you have two lads fighting in
>those circumstances, both become more skilled at fighting, and next
>time they will probably experience less fear while fighting (as a
>result of knowing what to expect - even if what they expect is
>unpleasant - and also because they become more confident of their own
>skill). Also, if violence is seen as acceptable (either because the
>authorities expressly condone it, or because the authorities
>implicitly condone it by maintaining an environment where it happens
>regularly and nothing is done to address its causes), then physical
>violence acquires a certain legitimacy.

>Also, over a longer period of time, we know that people under
>substantial stress regularly start to experiences mental changes. When
>soldiers get it we call it PTSD, and we know that amongst the effects
>are chronic anxiety, disassociation, and poor impulse control. These
>changes are adaptive for the high-stress situation, but they generally
>make people very dangerous; in particular the effects I listed all
>increase the tendency towards very cold and brutal violence.

A very sensible and accurate assessment.  I wish more people would see
things that way rather than believing that violence will cure
violence.  It may drive it underground, but it will not stop it.

-- 
Cynic

Cynic wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:59:58 -0800 (PST), Ste 
> wrote:
> 
>>> One piece of utter scum is given a taste of his own medicine by another.
>> But it's the sort of medicine that people adapt to, and eventually
>> start to dish out to others. Each time you have two lads fighting in
>> those circumstances, both become more skilled at fighting, and next
>> time they will probably experience less fear while fighting (as a
>> result of knowing what to expect - even if what they expect is
>> unpleasant - and also because they become more confident of their own
>> skill). Also, if violence is seen as acceptable (either because the
>> authorities expressly condone it, or because the authorities
>> implicitly condone it by maintaining an environment where it happens
>> regularly and nothing is done to address its causes), then physical
>> violence acquires a certain legitimacy.
> 
>> Also, over a longer period of time, we know that people under
>> substantial stress regularly start to experiences mental changes. When
>> soldiers get it we call it PTSD, and we know that amongst the effects
>> are chronic anxiety, disassociation, and poor impulse control. These
>> changes are adaptive for the high-stress situation, but they generally
>> make people very dangerous; in particular the effects I listed all
>> increase the tendency towards very cold and brutal violence.
> 
> A very sensible and accurate assessment.  I wish more people would see
> things that way rather than believing that violence will cure
> violence.  It may drive it underground, but it will not stop it.
> 

Except in this case the violence is being kept in one place with no 
innocent party getting hurt so let them kill each other I say.

"Walter"  wrote in message 
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> Cynic wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 18:59:58 -0800 (PST), Ste 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> One piece of utter scum is given a taste of his own medicine by 
>>>> another.
>>> But it's the sort of medicine that people adapt to, and eventually
>>> start to dish out to others. Each time you have two lads fighting in
>>> those circumstances, both become more skilled at fighting, and next
>>> time they will probably experience less fear while fighting (as a
>>> result of knowing what to expect - even if what they expect is
>>> unpleasant - and also because they become more confident of their own
>>> skill). Also, if violence is seen as acceptable (either because the
>>> authorities expressly condone it, or because the authorities
>>> implicitly condone it by maintaining an environment where it happens
>>> regularly and nothing is done to address its causes), then physical
>>> violence acquires a certain legitimacy.
>>
>>> Also, over a longer period of time, we know that people under
>>> substantial stress regularly start to experiences mental changes. When
>>> soldiers get it we call it PTSD, and we know that amongst the effects
>>> are chronic anxiety, disassociation, and poor impulse control. These
>>> changes are adaptive for the high-stress situation, but they generally
>>> make people very dangerous; in particular the effects I listed all
>>> increase the tendency towards very cold and brutal violence.
>>
>> A very sensible and accurate assessment.  I wish more people would see
>> things that way rather than believing that violence will cure
>> violence.  It may drive it underground, but it will not stop it.
>>
>
> Except in this case the violence is being kept in one place with no 
> innocent party getting hurt so let them kill each other I say.

Quite. I'd take all of Britain's violent criminals and put them ashore on 
Anthrax island with a Heckler Koch MP5 and 1000 rounds each. Sorted.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:59:25 -0800 (PST), Ste 
wrote:

>On 4 Nov, 16:43, Theodore  wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:20:54 -0000, "True Blue" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8342668.stm
>>
>> >"The teenager who murdered schoolboy Rhys Jones has stabbed the killer of
>> >former altar boy Jimmy Mizen during a fight in prison."
>>
>> Absolutely hilarious, wonderful!
>
>Is almost everyone who posts to uk.politics a sort of small weakling,
>who were bullied terribly at school, who now work as snivelling
>functionaries in some menial job, and who now get their pleasure in
>watching other people get hurt, denigrated, even killed? It's very sad.

I think you'll find the weaklings are the ones who think all human
life is somehow equally sacred.

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:05:44 +0000, Walter 
wrote:

>> A very sensible and accurate assessment.  I wish more people would see
>> things that way rather than believing that violence will cure
>> violence.  It may drive it underground, but it will not stop it.

>Except in this case the violence is being kept in one place with no 
>innocent party getting hurt so let them kill each other I say.

That is unlikely to be true.  I daresay each of them have their "camp
followers" who will thus be incited toward violence also.  Many of
those will be vulnerable young men who have not done anything too
terrible.  Eventually one of the prison officers may even get hurt.

Plus eventually both those killers are likely to be released back into
society, and I would prefer that they are more peaceful than when they
went in, not more violent.

-- 
Cynic

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:10:55 -0000, "True Blue" 
wrote:

>Quite. I'd take all of Britain's violent criminals and put them ashore on 
>Anthrax island with a Heckler Koch MP5 and 1000 rounds each. Sorted.

Unless of course they decided to use it as an opportunity to take
revenge, clubbed together to build a boat, and then used the weapons
on *you* for sending them there.

Or members of their family decide to use a similar "solution" to get
rid of the people responsible for treating their relative so badly.

-- 
Cynic

Cynic wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:05:44 +0000, Walter 
> wrote:
> 
>>> A very sensible and accurate assessment.  I wish more people would see
>>> things that way rather than believing that violence will cure
>>> violence.  It may drive it underground, but it will not stop it.
> 
>> Except in this case the violence is being kept in one place with no 
>> innocent party getting hurt so let them kill each other I say.
> 
> That is unlikely to be true.  I daresay each of them have their "camp
> followers" who will thus be incited toward violence also.  Many of
> those will be vulnerable young men who have not done anything too
> terrible.  Eventually one of the prison officers may even get hurt.
> 
> Plus eventually both those killers are likely to be released back into
> society, and I would prefer that they are more peaceful than when they
> went in, not more violent.
> 

I'm not so sure they will be released. There is now a charge of GBH to 
be added to Mercer who is already doing 22 years. I wouldn't fancy his 
chances for parole.

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:07:44 -0000, "True Blue" 
wrote:

>> Unless of course they decided to use it as an opportunity to take
>> revenge, clubbed together to build a boat, and then used the weapons
>> on *you* for sending them there.
>>
>> Or members of their family decide to use a similar "solution" to get
>> rid of the people responsible for treating their relative so badly.
>
>LOL! How old are you? Twelve? 

I was simply responding at the same level as the post I replied to.

The last bunch of criminals that we shipped off to a remote island
didn't do too badly as it turned out, and I suspect that the idea
would find wide appeal amongst our toughest criminals.

-- 
Cynic

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:53:59 +0000, Walter 
wrote:

>I'm not so sure they will be released. There is now a charge of GBH to 
>be added to Mercer who is already doing 22 years. I wouldn't fancy his 
>chances for parole.

They are too young to be kept inside until death.

-- 
Cynic

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:10:55 -0000, "True Blue" 
> wrote:
>
>>Quite. I'd take all of Britain's violent criminals and put them ashore on
>>Anthrax island with a Heckler Koch MP5 and 1000 rounds each. Sorted.
>
> Unless of course they decided to use it as an opportunity to take
> revenge, clubbed together to build a boat, and then used the weapons
> on *you* for sending them there.
>
> Or members of their family decide to use a similar "solution" to get
> rid of the people responsible for treating their relative so badly.

LOL! How old are you? Twelve?

"Cynic"  wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:53:59 +0000, Walter 
> wrote:
>
>>I'm not so sure they will be released. There is now a charge of GBH to
>>be added to Mercer who is already doing 22 years. I wouldn't fancy his
>>chances for parole.
>
> They are too young to be kept inside until death.
>
They might end up in a mental hospital.  It happens to more long stay 
prisoners than you might think.