clean sweep for republicans in main races...huge swings...

regards

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"abelard"  wrote in message 
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>
> clean sweep for republicans in main races...huge swings...


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/04/election.races/index.html

They were buoyed by a huge swing of independent voters to the Republican 
column.

The outcomes, however, also followed recent trends. Since 1989, the party 
winning the White House has always gone on to lose the gubernatorial races 
in both states the following year.

On Nov 4, 3:17 am, "klunk"  wrote:
> "abelard"  wrote in message
>
> news:dus1f5da5e4hq5ctki7n1rvvsjnsb15cbq@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > clean sweep for republicans in main races...huge swings...
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/04/election.races/index.html
>
> They were buoyed by a huge swing of independent voters to the Republican
> column.
>
> The outcomes, however, also followed recent trends. Since 1989, the party
> winning the White House has always gone on to lose the gubernatorial races
> in both states the following year.

You picked that up from a talking head. I heard it as well.

But it doesn't change the fact that they lost.

As a commentator once said to hockey broadcaster, Danny Gallivan, who
was a wizard at rationalizing and putting salve on Habs slumps;
"Statistics are for losers Danny".

"abelard"  wrote in message
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>
> clean sweep for republicans in main races...huge swings...
>
> regards
>
> -- 
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>  energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year
past
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>   good people do nothing     []    trust actions not words
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> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
------

#  Marxist?  From the average US citizen's perspective, perhaps.  As, if you
already live in Utopia (Autopia), then any "change you can believe in" is
almost heresy.
    Health Care is a big issue, but those who make a nice Profit out of
Illness are unlikely to give up the ability to rip off the suckers, too
readily. Especially if a public option is created - more Big Government?
     Yeah, the Land of the Free mythology is carefully cultivated by the
Plutocracy, the wealthy elite who really run the US of A, where money rules,
and if you ain't got it then it is all your fault - you just ain't working
hard enough.  Only three jobs?  Or no job at all?
     Get rid of Obama and install a Republican?  Not a good idea - unless it
is Arnie.  But even the Governator would find it tough going.
      The Rest of the World surges ahead (in many cases) while USA leads
from the rear.

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:17:47 GMT, "Don H" 
wrote:

>"abelard"  wrote in message
>news:dus1f5da5e4hq5ctki7n1rvvsjnsb15cbq@4ax.com...
>>
>> clean sweep for republicans in main races...huge swings...

>#  Marxist?  From the average US citizen's perspective, perhaps.  As, if you
>already live in Utopia (Autopia), then any "change you can believe in" is
>almost heresy.
>    Health Care is a big issue, but those who make a nice Profit out of
>Illness are unlikely to give up the ability to rip off the suckers, too
>readily. Especially if a public option is created - more Big Government?
>     Yeah, the Land of the Free mythology is carefully cultivated by the
>Plutocracy, the wealthy elite who really run the US of A, where money rules,
>and if you ain't got it then it is all your fault - you just ain't working
>hard enough.  Only three jobs?  Or no job at all?
>     Get rid of Obama and install a Republican?  Not a good idea - unless it
>is Arnie.  But even the Governator would find it tough going.
>      The Rest of the World surges ahead (in many cases) while USA leads
>from the rear.

the nhs is highly corrupt....and inadequate...
so are the us politicians...

there is no point driving to a 'solution' that solves nothing

obarmy is corrupt and dangerously inadequate....

the republicans are giving you a way forward....piece by
    piece....they are suggesting control of junk lawsuits...
    obarmy is a lawyer....

most people say they wish to keep their present arrangements...
do you want a democracy?

that's just a start!


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"Archie"  wrote in message 
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> On Nov 4, 3:17 am, "klunk"  wrote:
>> "abelard"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:dus1f5da5e4hq5ctki7n1rvvsjnsb15cbq@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > clean sweep for republicans in main races...huge swings...
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/04/election.races/index.html
>>
>> They were buoyed by a huge swing of independent voters to the Republican
>> column.
>>
>> The outcomes, however, also followed recent trends. Since 1989, the party
>> winning the White House has always gone on to lose the gubernatorial 
>> races
>> in both states the following year.
>
> You picked that up from a talking head. I heard it as well.

wow starchie... what gave it away...?... was it the link I provided where 
the text was cut and pasted from or did you figure that out all by your 
lonesome...?...


> But it doesn't change the fact that they lost.

true... but knowing the what is valueless without knowing the why....


> As a commentator once said to hockey broadcaster, Danny Gallivan, who
> was a wizard at rationalizing and putting salve on Habs slumps;
> "Statistics are for losers Danny".

lol... if you're going to provide a quote you believe conveys some form of 
gravitas, you would do well to choose sources that aren't drawn from the 
bottom of the human intelligence barrel....   ;-)

"abelard"  wrote in message
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> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:17:47 GMT, "Don H" 
> wrote:
>
>>"abelard"  wrote in message
>>news:dus1f5da5e4hq5ctki7n1rvvsjnsb15cbq@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> clean sweep for republicans in main races...huge swings...
>
>>#  Marxist?  From the average US citizen's perspective, perhaps.  As, if
>>you
>>already live in Utopia (Autopia), then any "change you can believe in" is
>>almost heresy.
>>    Health Care is a big issue, but those who make a nice Profit out of
>>Illness are unlikely to give up the ability to rip off the suckers, too
>>readily. Especially if a public option is created - more Big Government?
>>     Yeah, the Land of the Free mythology is carefully cultivated by the
>>Plutocracy, the wealthy elite who really run the US of A, where money
>>rules,
>>and if you ain't got it then it is all your fault - you just ain't working
>>hard enough.  Only three jobs?  Or no job at all?
>>     Get rid of Obama and install a Republican?  Not a good idea - unless
>> it
>>is Arnie.  But even the Governator would find it tough going.
>>      The Rest of the World surges ahead (in many cases) while USA leads
>>from the rear.
>
> the nhs is highly corrupt....and inadequate...
> so are the us politicians...
>
> there is no point driving to a 'solution' that solves nothing
>
> obarmy is corrupt and dangerously inadequate....
>
> the republicans are giving you a way forward....

bwahahahahaha.... ya... a way forward into the armpit of nationhood....  ;-)

> piece by
>    piece....they are suggesting control of junk lawsuits...
>    obarmy is a lawyer....
>
> most people say they wish to keep their present arrangements...
> do you want a democracy?
>
> that's just a start!
>
>
> -- 
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> energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year
> past
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
>  the triumph of evil is that     []           a big stick.
>  good people do nothing     []    trust actions not words
>                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Nov 4, 11:35 pm, "klunk"  wrote:
>
> wow starchie... what gave it away...?... was it the link I provided where
> the text was cut and pasted from or did you figure that out all by your
> lonesome...?...
>
> > But it doesn't change the fact that they lost.
>
> true... but knowing the what is valueless without knowing the why....
>
The why?
You mean that independent voters voted GOP?
What a brilliant observation.
And - since 1989... (a bullshit arbitrary pattern and not much of a
pattern).

Because talking heads say it you believe it has merit.

You post endlessly klunk. But say nothing.

By the way - I wish you'd stop calling me starchie. Although it is
funny and original, it really bothers me. I lay awake nights...

"Archie"  wrote in message 
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On Nov 4, 11:35 pm, "klunk"  wrote:
>
> wow starchie... what gave it away...?... was it the link I provided where
> the text was cut and pasted from or did you figure that out all by your
> lonesome...?...
>
> > But it doesn't change the fact that they lost.
>
> true... but knowing the what is valueless without knowing the why....
>
The why?
You mean that independent voters voted GOP?
What a brilliant observation.
And - since 1989... (a bullshit arbitrary pattern and not much of a
pattern).

Because talking heads say it you believe it has merit.

You post endlessly klunk. But say nothing.

By the way - I wish you'd stop calling me starchie. Although it is
funny and original, it really bothers me. I lay awake nights...


Its not like you Archie to belittle a small flaw like a person's lisp.
But it does make me stiff.

"Archie"  wrote in message 
news:5086927b-8ed0-48e8-8ff3-f37b1d2d4ac3@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 4, 11:35 pm, "klunk"  wrote:
>>
>> wow starchie... what gave it away...?... was it the link I provided where
>> the text was cut and pasted from or did you figure that out all by your
>> lonesome...?...
>>
>> > But it doesn't change the fact that they lost.
>>
>> true... but knowing the what is valueless without knowing the why....
>>
> The why?
> You mean that independent voters voted GOP?
> What a brilliant observation.

it's goo bad you're too stupid to realize that's not the why...


> And - since 1989... (a bullshit arbitrary pattern and not much of a
> pattern).
>
> Because talking heads say it you believe it has merit.

nope... because it has merit, regardless of who says it, I posted it.... 
yours is a backassward interpretation... which appears typical of your 
expressions of a lack of ability in objective observation....

> You post endlessly klunk. But say nothing.
>
> By the way - I wish you'd stop calling me starchie. Although it is
> funny and original, it really bothers me. I lay awake nights...


lol... if starchie actually bothers you, then your problems run even deeper 
than I thought.... which is evidenced by your inability to peer beneath such 
superficial analyses....

"Neil K"  wrote in message 
news:4af39ad4$1$5326$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net...
>
> "Archie"  wrote in message 
> news:5086927b-8ed0-48e8-8ff3-f37b1d2d4ac3@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 4, 11:35 pm, "klunk"  wrote:
>>
>> wow starchie... what gave it away...?... was it the link I provided where
>> the text was cut and pasted from or did you figure that out all by your
>> lonesome...?...
>>
>> > But it doesn't change the fact that they lost.
>>
>> true... but knowing the what is valueless without knowing the why....
>>
> The why?
> You mean that independent voters voted GOP?
> What a brilliant observation.
> And - since 1989... (a bullshit arbitrary pattern and not much of a
> pattern).
>
> Because talking heads say it you believe it has merit.
>
> You post endlessly klunk. But say nothing.
>
> By the way - I wish you'd stop calling me starchie. Although it is
> funny and original, it really bothers me. I lay awake nights...
>
>
> Its not like you Archie to belittle a small flaw like a person's lisp.
> But it does make me stiff.

well kneel... it certainly IS like you to post mindless stupidity... at 
least starchie makes an effort to think... whereas all you do is grunt.... 
;-)

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:27:42 +0100, abelard wrote:

<snip>

Considering that the first thing Obama did was reaffirm the Oil Bubble
Gang's control of the economy, calling him a Marxist is beyond bizarre.

Do you not even _know_ the word "plutocracy"?

-- 

Sing:

Ship jobs overseas,
Import illegals by thousand-score,
Shift taxes from the rich,
And watch consumer-confidence soar.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878

http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.062606.pdf

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html

On Nov 6, 8:11 pm, mimus  wrote:

>
> Ship jobs overseas,
> Import illegals by thousand-score,
> Shift taxes from the rich,
> And watch consumer-confidence soar.
>
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
>
> http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06...
>
> http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html


And don't forget that socialist Hitler!   He was into all those
liberal things.    Multiculturalism, racial profiling, Same Sex
Weddings, affirmative action and avoiding the use of military strength
as a paradigm for diplomacy!

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:22:24 -0800, Pvt. Wilhelm Scream wrote:

> On Nov 6, 8:11 pm, mimus  wrote:
> 
>> Ship jobs overseas,
>> Import illegals by thousand-score,
>> Shift taxes from the rich,
>> And watch consumer-confidence soar.
>>
>> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
>>
>> http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06...
>>
>> http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html
> 
> And don't forget that socialist Hitler!   He was into all those
> liberal things.    Multiculturalism, racial profiling, Same Sex
> Weddings, affirmative action and avoiding the use of military strength
> as a paradigm for diplomacy!

I guess we need a special dictionary for the Dextroverse.

Same as for the Levoverse.

-- 

Conservatism = plutocracy + theocracy + hypocrisy
Liberalism = plutocracy + psychosociocracy + hypocrisy


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878

http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.062606.pdf

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html

On Nov 6, 8:25 pm, mimus  wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:22:24 -0800, Pvt. Wilhelm Scream wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 8:11 pm, mimus  wrote:
>
> >> Ship jobs overseas,
> >> Import illegals by thousand-score,
> >> Shift taxes from the rich,
> >> And watch consumer-confidence soar.
>
> >>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
>
> >>http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06..> >>http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html
>
> > And don't forget that socialist Hitler!   He was into all those
> > liberal things.    Multiculturalism, racial profiling, Same Sex
> > Weddings, affirmative action and avoiding the use of military strength
> > as a paradigm for diplomacy!
>
> I guess we need a special dictionary for the Dextroverse.
>
> Same as for the Levoverse.
>
> --
>
> Conservatism = plutocracy  theocracy  hypocrisy
> Liberalism = plutocracy  psychosociocracy  hypocrisy
>
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
>
> http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06...
>
> http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html

globalreach.ca is up there with its right wing opposite,
canadafreepress.com for when Jack Nicholson said in a movie "Crazy?
We're all stocked up here!   Go sell Crazy some place else!"

The others?   I can handle.

I've read too much crazy ass shit from www.globalreach.ca and its
aforementioned opposite counterpart.

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:32:28 -0800, Pvt. Wilhelm Scream wrote:

> On Nov 6, 8:25 pm, mimus  wrote:
>
>> Conservatism = plutocracy + theocracy + hypocrisy
>> Liberalism = plutocracy + psychosociocracy + hypocrisy
>>
>> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
>>
>> http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06...
>>
>> http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html
> 
> globalreach.ca is up there with its right wing opposite,
> canadafreepress.com for when Jack Nicholson said in a movie "Crazy?
> We're all stocked up here!   Go sell Crazy some place else!"
> 
> The others?   I can handle.
> 
> I've read too much crazy ass shit from www.globalreach.ca and its
> aforementioned opposite counterpart.

That's an excellent article, which was an early leader in the _very_ small
race to dissect the Oil Bubble (eg, AFAIK CNN claims to this day it was
"supply and demand").

But I agree in general about the site.

-- 

When was the last time you heard an American politician
use the word "plutocracy"?


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878

http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.062606.pdf

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html

On Nov 6, 8:36 pm, mimus  wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:32:28 -0800, Pvt. Wilhelm Scream wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 8:25 pm, mimus  wrote:
>
> >> Conservatism = plutocracy  theocracy  hypocrisy
> >> Liberalism = plutocracy  psychosociocracy  hypocrisy
>
> >>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
>
> >>http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06..> >>http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html
>
> > globalreach.ca is up there with its right wing opposite,
> > canadafreepress.com for when Jack Nicholson said in a movie "Crazy?
> > We're all stocked up here!   Go sell Crazy some place else!"
>
> > The others?   I can handle.
>
> > I've read too much crazy ass shit fromwww.globalreach.caand its
> > aforementioned opposite counterpart.
>
> That's an excellent article, which was an early leader in the _very_ small
> race to dissect the Oil Bubble (eg, AFAIK CNN claims to this day it was
> "supply and demand").
>
> But I agree in general about the site.
>
> --
>
> When was the last time you heard an American politician
> use the word "plutocracy"?
>
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
>
> http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06...
>
> http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html

The US is a drag.    Their two party system with the same old shit.

It's really a one-party system, controlled by the lobby boys.

The so called "world's greatest democracy" is a Republic, not a
democracy.

In fact, when Bush and his Republicans decided to social engineer
Iraq, they hired the top political scientists that the US had to
offer, and they decided on a Parliamentary Democracy, not a Republic
like the USA or France.  But one like Canada and the U. K.

What does that say about the US Republican party's confidence in "A
republic"?


I found that interesting.  But I studied Poly Sci as a minor.

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:44:09 -0800, Pvt. Wilhelm Scream wrote:

> On Nov 6, 8:36 pm, mimus  wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:32:28 -0800, Pvt. Wilhelm Scream wrote:
>> > On Nov 6, 8:25 pm, mimus  wrote:
>>
>> >> Conservatism = plutocracy + theocracy + hypocrisy
>> >> Liberalism = plutocracy + psychosociocracy + hypocrisy
>>
>> >>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
>>
>> >>http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06...
>>
>> >>http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html
>>
>> > globalreach.ca is up there with its right wing opposite,
>> > canadafreepress.com for when Jack Nicholson said in a movie "Crazy?
>> > We're all stocked up here!   Go sell Crazy some place else!"
>>
>> > The others?   I can handle.
>>
>> > I've read too much crazy ass shit fromwww.globalreach.caand its
>> > aforementioned opposite counterpart.
>>
>> That's an excellent article, which was an early leader in the _very_ small
>> race to dissect the Oil Bubble (eg, AFAIK CNN claims to this day it was
>> "supply and demand").
>>
>> But I agree in general about the site.
>>
>> --
>>
>> When was the last time you heard an American politician
>> use the word "plutocracy"?
>>
>> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878
>>
>> http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.06...
>>
>> http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html
> 
> The US is a drag.    Their two party system with the same old shit.
> 
> It's really a one-party system, controlled by the lobby boys.

Same as the UK, as some people there have been pointing out recently:

The US and the UK collaborated in allowing the Oil Bubble to be run.

And can you imagine Ernie Bevin allowing a corruption investigation to be
quashed on behalf of the Saudis and allowing the Oil Bubble to be run from
the City?

> The so called "world's greatest democracy" is a Republic, not a
> democracy.

It's neither; it's a plutocracy.  A corporate plutocracy.

> In fact, when Bush and his Republicans decided to social engineer
> Iraq, they hired the top political scientists that the US had to
> offer, and they decided on a Parliamentary Democracy, not a Republic
> like the USA or France.  But one like Canada and the U. K.
> 
> What does that say about the US Republican party's confidence in "A
> republic"?
> 
> I found that interesting.  But I studied Poly Sci as a minor.

Was that the same Bush Administration in which Rumsfeld ordered people not
to study the needs of any eventual Iraqi Occupation there because that
would be "defeatist"?

Leading to entirely too few troops to maintain law and order in the
country after the invasion?

Leading to the widespread lawlessness symbolized by the looting of the
Baghdad Museum while American troops guarded the Oil Ministry?

-- 

Plutocracy is corruption, and corruption is plutocracy:
After all, if the laws are up for sale, who would you expect
the highest bidder to be, the wealthiest or the less so?


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878

http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/supporting/2006/PSI.gasandoilspec.062606.pdf

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/index.html