One of those of the "wicked vicious faith" gave him the finger!

This  forced him to abandon his demonstration but only on the advice
of his heavies (sorry " private security guards") you understand.

Are they really as private as all that? I thought we were paying them!

Anyway we now know how to get rid of him if he comes to a venue near
you.

It doesn't worry him though!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6486929/BNPs-Nick-Griffin-racially-abused-for-being-white-court-told.html

http://tinyurl.com/ybz2opj

Mel Rowing wrote:
> One of those of the "wicked vicious faith" gave him the finger!
> 
> This  forced him to abandon his demonstration but only on the advice
> of his heavies (sorry " private security guards") you understand.
> 
> Are they really as private as all that? I thought we were paying them!

 From the Telegraph itself:"The MEP told a jury that Tauriq Khalid, of 
Burnley, Lancs, called him a “white -------“ and pointed his fingers at 
him like a gun during a BNP demonstration in the town last year. "

As in 2008 and as NOT in 2009.
In other words his private bodyguard were just that.

So Mel you've allowed yourself to be hoisted upon your ownpetard by NOT 
reading and comprehending!

3/10,go and rewrite it!

Mel Rowing wrote:
> One of those of the "wicked vicious faith" gave him the finger!
> 
> This  forced him to abandon his demonstration but only on the advice
> of his heavies (sorry " private security guards") you understand.
> 
> Are they really as private as all that? I thought we were paying them!
> 
> Anyway we now know how to get rid of him if he comes to a venue near
> you.
> 
> It doesn't worry him though!
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6486929/BNPs-Nick-Griffin-racially-abused-for-being-white-court-told.html
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/ybz2opj<<


The abuse of white people by ethic minority racists is an escalating 
trend in the UK.

In this case, presumably because Mr Griffin is not a frail 76 year old 
pensioner - like Walter Chamerlain, savagely beaten by three Asian thugs 
who told him to 'get out of our area' - no physical harm befell him.

However, the next white person who encounters the defendant, or his 
peers, might not be as fortunate.

What would your reaction be if the Asian defendant had made a 
threatening and abusive gesture at, say, an elderly Rabbi?...

"John Bennett"  wrote in message 
news:4AEF3CFC.80304@bt.com...
> Mel Rowing wrote:
>> One of those of the "wicked vicious faith" gave him the finger!
>>
>> This  forced him to abandon his demonstration but only on the advice
>> of his heavies (sorry " private security guards") you understand.
>>
>> Are they really as private as all that? I thought we were paying them!
>
> From the Telegraph itself:"The MEP told a jury that Tauriq Khalid, of 
> Burnley, Lancs, called him a “white -------“ and pointed his fingers at 
> him like a gun during a BNP demonstration in the town last year. "
>
> As in 2008 and as NOT in 2009.
> In other words his private bodyguard were just that.
>
> So Mel you've allowed yourself to be hoisted upon your ownpetard by NOT 
> reading and comprehending!
>
> 3/10,go and rewrite it!

'Mel' only wants to read and comprehend what he thinks will further the 
agenda of those on whose behalf he operates here. He also failed to mention 
that Khalid's lawyers tried to get the case against him dropped by claiming 
that his trial 'would not be in the public interest'.

Interesting that in these days where 'waycism' is almost the ultimate crime, 
and any disparaging reference to an individual's race can bring anything 
from loss of employment to a hefty prison sentence, it is considered by some 
that the prosecution of an ethnic minority person who shouts 'white 
b*****ds' while making threatening gestures would not be in the public 
interest. One wonders just which 'public' they have in mind!

Anyone who would like to know what kind of British society the likes of 
'Mel' would like to see should perhaps take a peep at this little video, 
where they will see just how far down the road they have manged to get 
already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:48:18 -0000, "Farmer Giles" 
wrote:

>Anyone who would like to know what kind of British society the likes of 
>'Mel' would like to see should perhaps take a peep at this little video, 
>where they will see just how far down the road they have manged to get 
>already:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded 

You've got to admit that Labour have brilliantly fulfilled at least
one of their ambitions. When they came to power they said, not
publicly of course, that they would allow unrestricted mass
immigration in order to destroy the identity of the UK and make it
fully multicultural. 

They've excelled themselves.

Svenne

Farmer Giles wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded 
> 
> 
When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point out 
that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis was 
that really necessary?

John Bennett wrote:
> Farmer Giles wrote:
> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>
> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point out 
> that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis was 
> that really necessary?

Well no.

I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
lawful business.

I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
frightened,

I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in Morrisons 
in Stratford...

More to the point,  why did he feel frightened?

Why are you frightened?



-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:
> John Bennett wrote:
>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point out 
>> that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis was 
>> that really necessary?
> 
> Well no.
> 
> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
> lawful business.
> 
> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
> frightened,
> 
> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in Morrisons 
> in Stratford...


Who was he?, and why did you make fun of him?

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:00:18 +0000, William Black
 wrote:

>John Bennett wrote:
>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point out 
>> that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis was 
>> that really necessary?
>
>Well no.

>I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
>lawful business.

There was a mix of different cultures, religions, languages,
identities and traditions. This represents a lot of different group
interests with a very thin common identity and a lot of points of
conflict.

If a common identity based firmly in the secular Western European
values of liberal humanism can be forged, then things should work out
well. But there is no guarantee of this happening and the sheer scale
of recent immigration is a major obstacle to it. Also a particularly
vile and malignant religion in a dominant immigrant group plays a
large role in the mix.

There could well be serious trouble, especially in times of financial
hardship.

Either way it looks very much like a cultural/historical discontinuity
has taken place and we are in uncharted territory. Be optimistic by
all means, but temper that with caution. For myself, I'm not
optimistic at all.

Svenne

On 2 Nov, 19:35, Mel Rowing  wrote:
> One of those of the "wicked vicious faith" gave him the finger!
>
> This  forced him to abandon his demonstration but only on the advice
> of his heavies (sorry " private security guards") you understand.
>
> Are they really as private as all that? I thought we were paying them!
>
> Anyway we now know how to get rid of him if he comes to a venue near
> you.
>
> It doesn't worry him though!
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6486929/BNPs-Nick-Griffi...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ybz2opj

I remember the army days of when we had an offical visit by a royal.
There were bare patches of grass so we painted the mud green. Maybe
when the olympics are here we can paint the niggers and pakis white?

McK.

Mel Rowing wrote:
> One of those of the "wicked vicious faith" gave him the finger!
> 
> This  forced him to abandon his demonstration but only on the advice
> of his heavies (sorry " private security guards") you understand.
> 
> Are they really as private as all that? I thought we were paying them!
> 
> Anyway we now know how to get rid of him if he comes to a venue near
> you.
> 
> It doesn't worry him though!
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6486929/BNPs-Nick-Griffin-racially-abused-for-being-white-court-told.html
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/ybz2opj

Lol, most of the media are frit of muslims.

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> John Bennett wrote:
>>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>>
>>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point 
>>> out that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis 
>>> was that really necessary?
>>
>> Well no.
>>
>> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
>> lawful business.
>>
>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>> frightened,
>>
>> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in 
>> Morrisons in Stratford...
> 
> 
> Who was he?, and why did you make fun of him?

As I have said before,  it is possible that English is not your mother 
tongue.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

Svenne wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:00:18 +0000, William Black
>  wrote:
> 
>> John Bennett wrote:
>>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>>
>>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point out 
>>> that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis was 
>>> that really necessary?
>> Well no.
> 
>> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
>> lawful business.
> 
> There was a mix of different cultures, religions, languages,
> identities and traditions. This represents a lot of different group
> interests with a very thin common identity and a lot of points of
> conflict.

Ok so far...

> If a common identity based firmly in the secular Western European
> values of liberal humanism can be forged, then things should work out
> well. But there is no guarantee of this happening and the sheer scale
> of recent immigration is a major obstacle to it. Also a particularly
> vile and malignant religion in a dominant immigrant group plays a
> large role in the mix.

I find it interesting that you:

1.  See Islam an monolithic.

2. See Muslim immigrants as a single group.

This does not reflect reality...

> There could well be serious trouble, especially in times of financial
> hardship.

There often is serious trouble in times of financial hardship.

This trouble is often started by the poor.

Immigrants tend to be poor.

> Either way it looks very much like a cultural/historical discontinuity
> has taken place and we are in uncharted territory. Be optimistic by
> all means, but temper that with caution. For myself, I'm not
> optimistic at all.

I know you're not but people have been forecasting the end of this 
society for over forty years now and so far nothing terribly serious has 
happened.

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:hcnrr2$km2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> John Bennett wrote:
>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point out 
>> that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis was 
>> that really necessary?

> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
> frightened,

Was you accompanied by your Indian wife at the time?

>
> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in Morrisons 
> in Stratford...

Very amusing no doubt but do you also make jokes about being the only 
'white' in your own home?

I am genuinely interested for one's circumstances can often have an effect 
on the opinions one openly states.

Said circumstances also allow others to gain a perspective on the views one 
expresses in a forum such as this no?

"The gods have made us mad"  wrote in message 
news:hcngeu$3d4$1@energise.enta.net...

>
> The abuse of white people by ethic minority racists is an escalating trend 
> in the UK.

http://tinyurl.com/yk3evuy

"My 'race hate' ordeal at hammer-attack school"

William Black wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> John Bennett wrote:
>>>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>>>
>>>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point 
>>>> out that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>>>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>>>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis 
>>>> was that really necessary?
>>>
>>> Well no.
>>>
>>> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
>>> lawful business.
>>>
>>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>>> frightened,
>>>
>>> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in 
>>> Morrisons in Stratford...
>>
>>
>> Who was he?, and why did you make fun of him?
> 
> As I have said before,  it is possible that English is not your mother 
> tongue.


I naturally assumed that the grammatical error was yours.   It was (and 
is) almost impossible to imagine a 'white man' making a joke out of the 
fact that he was the only one of his kind in a British supermarket.

One would have to say that such a man would either be certifiably insane 
- or else a traitor of the most repulsive kind.

*What* animal actively rejoices at the demise of their own species?

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:hcnrr2$km2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> John Bennett wrote:
>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>
>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point out 
>> that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis was 
>> that really necessary?
>
> Well no.
>
> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their lawful 
> business.
>
> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
> frightened,
>
> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in Morrisons 
> in Stratford...
>
> More to the point,  why did he feel frightened?
>
> Why are you frightened?
>

William, you are either the most naive, gullible and altruistic person on 
the planet or a wicked agenda-driven deceiver - and although I am not 
absolutely certain which, I have to tell you that I am inclined to the 
latter. However, giving you the benefit of the doubt, and therefore hoping 
that there is a possibility that you could be persuaded by reasonable 
argument, I would like to ask you a few questions which I hope that you will 
answer honestly.

1. When you look at places like Wembley - and the now many other similar 
places throughout Britain - do you not feel a tinge of regret about the 
transformation that has taken place?

2. If you don't, do you accept that others have a legitimate right not to 
share your view?

Since the main political parties will clearly - despite what they may say - 
do little to stop further immigration, and given the higher birth rates 
amongst immigrant populations, it is inevitable that - without a radical 
change - what we see at Wembley and other similar towns will happen 
throughout Great Britain. Do you think that:

a) This is a good thing - please say why?

b) A bad thing - please say why, or why not?

c) It will not happen - please say why?


Immigration over the last 50/60 years has transformed Britain more radically 
and more quickly than at any time over the last 1000 years. Do you think 
that this:

a) Has made Britain a better country - please say why?

b) Has made Britain a worse country - please say why, or why not?

c) Has made little difference?


Many of my generation, and older, who have seen areas - that they once knew 
as peaceful, homogenous and prosperous - change into dangerous, crime-ridden 
multicultural cesspits, in which they neither feel comfortable nor belong 
to, feel anger at what has happened to their country. Do you think that:

a) They are right to do so?

b) They have no right to do so - please say why?

c) They should just accept it, and resign themselves to the changes?


If you accept that their grievances are just, how do you suggest that they 
should go about trying to change things?


Finally, if it is accepted that without a radical change Britain will be 
changed completely over the next century to the extent that white 
Anglo-Saxon/Celtic people will become a decreasing minority - if you don't 
think that this will happen please explain why not - could you tell us 
exactly what you think will have been beneficially achieved by this process?

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> John Bennett wrote:
>>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>>
>>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point 
>>> out that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis 
>>> was that really necessary?
>>
>> Well no.
>>
>> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
>> lawful business.
>>
>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>> frightened,
>>
>> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in 
>> Morrisons in Stratford...
> 
> 
> Who was he?, and why did you make fun of him?

ROTFLOL!

William Black wrote:
> Svenne wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:00:18 +0000, William Black
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> John Bennett wrote:
>>>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>>>
>>>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point 
>>>> out that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>>>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>>>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis 
>>>> was that really necessary?
>>> Well no.
>>
>>> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
>>> lawful business.
>>
>> There was a mix of different cultures, religions, languages,
>> identities and traditions. This represents a lot of different group
>> interests with a very thin common identity and a lot of points of
>> conflict.
> 
> Ok so far...
> 
>> If a common identity based firmly in the secular Western European
>> values of liberal humanism can be forged, then things should work out
>> well. But there is no guarantee of this happening and the sheer scale
>> of recent immigration is a major obstacle to it. Also a particularly
>> vile and malignant religion in a dominant immigrant group plays a
>> large role in the mix.
> 
> I find it interesting that you:
> 
> 1.  See Islam an monolithic.
> 
> 2. See Muslim immigrants as a single group.
> 
> This does not reflect reality...
> 
>> There could well be serious trouble, especially in times of financial
>> hardship.
> 
> There often is serious trouble in times of financial hardship.
> 
> This trouble is often started by the poor.
> 
> Immigrants tend to be poor.
> 
>> Either way it looks very much like a cultural/historical discontinuity
>> has taken place and we are in uncharted territory. Be optimistic by
>> all means, but temper that with caution. For myself, I'm not
>> optimistic at all.
> 
> I know you're not but people have been forecasting the end of this 
> society for over forty years now and so far nothing terribly serious has 
> happened.
> 



You don't think so???

It was never going to be the case that the 492 passengers on the Empire 
Windrush were going to disembark at Tilbury, and proceed to march away 
and conquer Great Britain.

Nor, the next batch of arrivals, nor the next, nor the next, nor the 
next.....

For one thing, most of the Jamaicans were almost as 'British' as the 
British (and, perhaps, in some cases, more so)

In particular they were mostly Christians - often very devout ones - and 
their values were those to be expected from people born and raised in a 
British colony.

Let's be clear, those people were often harshly treated by indigenous 
Britons - and it is to our own discredit that we treated those with such 
a close cultural kinship so badly.

To have a black family as neighbours, with a husband who works hard and 
lives soberly, and a wife who dresses up to attend her local Pentecostal 
church, is not a bad thing! - yet these were the very people who found 
themselves subjected to crude racism from those among whom they went to 
live.

So, yes, they had a rough ride, and many white people should be ashamed 
of the things that they said and did back in those days.

But 'those days' were nearly half a century ago - and the intervening 
years have brought a change to this country that is, arguably, the most 
significant demographic event since the Normans invaded in 1066.

Almost incredibly, five short decades have almost swept away nearly 
1,000 years of British tradition and identity - and it's clear that 
another five decades will see the transformation completed.

What we *now* face is not an influx of black Christians, but a veritable 
deluge of immigrants from complete alien cultures - with different 
faiths, different traditions, different value systems, and different laws.

These people have not come, like their Caribbean predecessors, to live 
as Britons, among Britons, but to establish in this country a society 
made entirely in their own image.

Predominant among them are, of course, muslims.   It is disingenuous of 
you to claim that muslims are disparate, implying that their own 
internecine squabbling will somehow prevent them from amalgamating into 
the critical mass necessary to topple existing UK legal and political 
structures.

Islam, when push comes to shove, has only one prophet and only one 
vision - which is the imposition of the faith on the entire world.   It 
is their calling, their vision, their duty, their very raison d'etre - 
and the British people ignore it at their peril.

Every mosque, every islamic information centre, every embrace of muslim 
culture by those who peddle 'multiculturalism' is another link in the 
chain that is being forged to bind us.

I use inverted comma's when writing 'multiculturalism' because that is a 
concept unknown in islam.  For a devout muslim, their is only *one* 
culture and only *one* faith, islam - and only *one* true purpose in 
life, which is to establish it throughout the entire world.

Aramis Gunton wrote:
> "William Black"  wrote in message 
> news:hcnrr2$km2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> John Bennett wrote:
>>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>>
>>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point 
>>> out that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis 
>>> was that really necessary?
> 
>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>> frightened,
> 
> Was you accompanied by your Indian wife at the time?
> 

No.



-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> John Bennett wrote:
>>>>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>>>>
>>>>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point 
>>>>> out that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>>>>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all 
>>>>> that black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or 
>>>>> Iraqis was that really necessary?
>>>>
>>>> Well no.
>>>>
>>>> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
>>>> lawful business.
>>>>
>>>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>>>> frightened,
>>>>
>>>> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in 
>>>> Morrisons in Stratford...
>>>
>>>
>>> Who was he?, and why did you make fun of him?
>>
>> As I have said before,  it is possible that English is not your mother 
>> tongue.
> 
> 
> I naturally assumed that the grammatical error was yours.   It was (and 
> is) almost impossible to imagine a 'white man' making a joke out of the 
> fact that he was the only one of his kind in a British supermarket.

Why?

I appreciate that you are very scared of people who don't look like you, 
  but why?

> 
> One would have to say that such a man would either be certifiably insane 
> - or else a traitor of the most repulsive kind.

A tyraitor to what exactly?

> *What* animal actively rejoices at the demise of their own species?

Animal?

Species?

Demise?

I think you are in need of some help son.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> John Bennett wrote:
>>>>>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point 
>>>>>> out that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>>>>>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all 
>>>>>> that black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or 
>>>>>> Iraqis was that really necessary?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well no.
>>>>>
>>>>> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
>>>>> lawful business.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>>>>> frightened,
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in 
>>>>> Morrisons in Stratford...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who was he?, and why did you make fun of him?
>>>
>>> As I have said before,  it is possible that English is not your 
>>> mother tongue.
>>
>>
>> I naturally assumed that the grammatical error was yours.   It was 
>> (and is) almost impossible to imagine a 'white man' making a joke out 
>> of the fact that he was the only one of his kind in a British 
>> supermarket.
> 
> Why?
> 
> I appreciate that you are very scared of people who don't look like you, 
>  but why?
> 
>>
>> One would have to say that such a man would either be certifiably 
>> insane - or else a traitor of the most repulsive kind.
> 
> A tyraitor to what exactly?
> 
>> *What* animal actively rejoices at the demise of their own species?
> 
> Animal?
> 
> Species?
> 
> Demise?
> 
> I think you are in need of some help son<<


Thank you for telling me what you think - I'm always anxious to know 
what your opinion is about, well, *everything*

I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you to go 
and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your particular 
outlook on life.

Farmer Giles wrote:
> "William Black"  wrote in message 
> news:hcnrr2$km2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> John Bennett wrote:
>>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>>
>>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point out 
>>> that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis was 
>>> that really necessary?
>> Well no.
>>
>> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their lawful 
>> business.
>>
>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>> frightened,
>>
>> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in Morrisons 
>> in Stratford...
>>
>> More to the point,  why did he feel frightened?
>>
>> Why are you frightened?
>>
> 
> William, you are either the most naive, gullible and altruistic person on 
> the planet or a wicked agenda-driven deceiver - and although I am not 
> absolutely certain which, I have to tell you that I am inclined to the 
> latter. However, giving you the benefit of the doubt, and therefore hoping 
> that there is a possibility that you could be persuaded by reasonable 
> argument, I would like to ask you a few questions which I hope that you will 
> answer honestly.
> 
> 1. When you look at places like Wembley - and the now many other similar 
> places throughout Britain - do you not feel a tinge of regret about the 
> transformation that has taken place?

Not one bit.

> 2. If you don't, do you accept that others have a legitimate right not to 
> share your view?

Of course I do.

It's the terms people use to describe this that I object to.

You insult people who only wish to better themselves.

> Since the main political parties will clearly - despite what they may say - 
> do little to stop further immigration, and given the higher birth rates 
> amongst immigrant populations, it is inevitable that - without a radical 
> change - what we see at Wembley and other similar towns will happen 
> throughout Great Britain. Do you think that:
> 
> a) This is a good thing - please say why?

> b) A bad thing - please say why, or why not?
> 
> c) It will not happen - please say why?

I don't care.

In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.

> Immigration over the last 50/60 years has transformed Britain more radically 
> and more quickly than at any time over the last 1000 years. Do you think 
> that this:
> 
> a) Has made Britain a better country - please say why?
> 
> b) Has made Britain a worse country - please say why, or why not?
> 
> c) Has made little difference?

It's a different country.

It's certainly better a better place than the country I grew up in.

> Many of my generation, and older, who have seen areas - that they once knew 
> as peaceful, homogenous and prosperous - change into dangerous, crime-ridden 
> multicultural cesspits, in which they neither feel comfortable nor belong 
> to, feel anger at what has happened to their country. Do you think that:
> 
> a) They are right to do so?
> 
> b) They have no right to do so - please say why?
> 
> c) They should just accept it, and resign themselves to the changes?

I think you need to rephrase your question.

> If you accept that their grievances are just, how do you suggest that they 
> should go about trying to change things?

I think your question reflects a series of your own views which are 
misguided.

> Finally, if it is accepted that without a radical change Britain will be 
> changed completely over the next century to the extent that white 
> Anglo-Saxon/Celtic people will become a decreasing minority - if you don't 
> think that this will happen please explain why not - could you tell us 
> exactly what you think will have been beneficially achieved by this process?

The Ethnic minorities are about 5% of the population at the moment.

For them to become a majority would require a change in the ethnic 
make-up of this country that is not reflected in any reasonable reality.

For various reasons the ethnic minorities are concentrated in localised 
areas.

As they become more prosperous they will move out into wider society and 
disperse into it.

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you to go 
> and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your particular 
> outlook on life.

What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you to 
>> go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your 
>> particular outlook on life.
> 
> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<


What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person? - your 
habitual scorn of  those who simply wish to retain the society in which 
they grew up is indicative that you are a very intolerant person indeed.

Actually, most 'liberals' *are* intolerant of everyone who disagrees 
with them, so no real surprises there.

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you to 
>>> go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your 
>>> particular outlook on life.
>>
>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
> 
> 
> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person? 

Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you to 
>>>> go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your 
>>>> particular outlook on life.
>>>
>>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
>>
>>
>> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person? 
> 
> Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?<<<


Well, there you go, then - an intolerant country like India should suit 
you nicely.

A word of caution before you set off for your new life, though.  Under 
no circumstance should you start telling the majority population that 
they must [1] open up India to unlimited numbers of immigrants, and [2] 
that they must then change their society to fit in with the needs and 
aspirations of those immigrants.

If you *do* start spouting that sort of nonsense over there, you might 
well find that Hindus are even less tolerant than you thought.

I wouldn't want to read about you being set ablaze in your car by fiery 
tempered Hindu nationalists...

Apart from those provisos - have a wonderful new life, and a safe journey.

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you 
>>>>> to go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your 
>>>>> particular outlook on life.
>>>>
>>>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
>>>
>>>
>>> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person? 
>>
>> Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?<<<
> 
> 
> Well, there you go, then - an intolerant country like India should suit 
> you nicely.
> 
> A word of caution before you set off for your new life, though.  Under 
> no circumstance should you start telling the majority population that 
> they must [1] open up India to unlimited numbers of immigrants, and [2] 
> that they must then change their society to fit in with the needs and 
> aspirations of those immigrants.
> 
> If you *do* start spouting that sort of nonsense over there, you might 
> well find that Hindus are even less tolerant than you thought.
> 
> I wouldn't want to read about you being set ablaze in your car by fiery 
> tempered Hindu nationalists...
> 
> Apart from those provisos - have a wonderful new life, and a safe journey.

How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:hcp19f$oc9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Farmer Giles wrote:
>> "William Black"  wrote in message 
>> news:hcnrr2$km2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> John Bennett wrote:
>>>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>>>>>
>>>> When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point out 
>>>> that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
>>>> If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that 
>>>> black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis was 
>>>> that really necessary?
>>> Well no.
>>>
>>> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their 
>>> lawful business.
>>>
>>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>>> frightened,
>>>
>>> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in Morrisons 
>>> in Stratford...
>>>
>>> More to the point,  why did he feel frightened?
>>>
>>> Why are you frightened?
>>>
>>
>> William, you are either the most naive, gullible and altruistic person on 
>> the planet or a wicked agenda-driven deceiver - and although I am not 
>> absolutely certain which, I have to tell you that I am inclined to the 
>> latter. However, giving you the benefit of the doubt, and therefore 
>> hoping that there is a possibility that you could be persuaded by 
>> reasonable argument, I would like to ask you a few questions which I hope 
>> that you will answer honestly.
>>
>> 1. When you look at places like Wembley - and the now many other similar 
>> places throughout Britain - do you not feel a tinge of regret about the 
>> transformation that has taken place?
>
> Not one bit.

For what reason: you didn't like what was there before, or you think that it 
is better now?


>> 2. If you don't, do you accept that others have a legitimate right not to 
>> share your view?
>
> Of course I do.
>
> It's the terms people use to describe this that I object to.

What 'terms' could they use to express their strong opposition to what is 
happening would you not object to?


>
> You insult people who only wish to better themselves.

How so, and do you not often insult people who only wish not to see their 
lives made worse?



>
>> Since the main political parties will clearly - despite what they may 
>> say - do little to stop further immigration, and given the higher birth 
>> rates amongst immigrant populations, it is inevitable that - without a 
>> radical change - what we see at Wembley and other similar towns will 
>> happen throughout Great Britain. Do you think that:
>>
>> a) This is a good thing - please say why?
>
>> b) A bad thing - please say why, or why not?
>>
>> c) It will not happen - please say why?
>
> I don't care.

You don't care to answer the question?


>
> In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.

And where is your evidence for that?




>> Immigration over the last 50/60 years has transformed Britain more 
>> radically and more quickly than at any time over the last 1000 years. Do 
>> you think that this:
>>
>> a) Has made Britain a better country - please say why?
>>
>> b) Has made Britain a worse country - please say why, or why not?
>>
>> c) Has made little difference?
>
> It's a different country.
>
> It's certainly better a better place than the country I grew up in.

Is it? In what way, and why?


>
>> Many of my generation, and older, who have seen areas - that they once 
>> knew as peaceful, homogenous and prosperous - change into dangerous, 
>> crime-ridden multicultural cesspits, in which they neither feel 
>> comfortable nor belong to, feel anger at what has happened to their 
>> country. Do you think that:
>>
>> a) They are right to do so?
>>
>> b) They have no right to do so - please say why?
>>
>> c) They should just accept it, and resign themselves to the changes?
>
> I think you need to rephrase your question.


Why, and in what way? And why are you unable/unwilling to answer the 
question as posed?


>
>> If you accept that their grievances are just, how do you suggest that 
>> they should go about trying to change things?
>
> I think your question reflects a series of your own views which are 
> misguided.

Again why are you unable/unwilling to answer the question - and instead just 
trying to deflect it?


>
>> Finally, if it is accepted that without a radical change Britain will be 
>> changed completely over the next century to the extent that white 
>> Anglo-Saxon/Celtic people will become a decreasing minority - if you 
>> don't think that this will happen please explain why not - could you tell 
>> us exactly what you think will have been beneficially achieved by this 
>> process?
>
> The Ethnic minorities are about 5% of the population at the moment.

Far more than than that - and that is only the ones that we know about!

>
> For them to become a majority would require a change in the ethnic make-up 
> of this country that is not reflected in any reasonable reality.

Whose reality - those with their eyes open and a capability for simple 
arithmetic or those, like yourself, with a hidden agenda?

>
> For various reasons the ethnic minorities are concentrated in localised 
> areas.
>
> As they become more prosperous they will move out into wider society and 
> disperse into it.

That is already happening, experience shows that this doesn't help matters, 
but you have, once again, failed to answer the question asked.

On Nov 3, 10:22 am, The gods have made us mad
 wrote:

> What we *now* face is not an influx of black Christians, but a veritable
> deluge of immigrants from complete alien cultures - with different
> faiths, different traditions, different value systems, and different laws> These people have not come, like their Caribbean predecessors, to live
> as Britons, among Britons, but to establish in this country a society
> made entirely in their own image.

Isn't it amazing what changes in attitude half a century can bring!

I am old enough to remember the Empire Windrush days and believe you
me, the same allegations were being made with respect to the Black
Caribbean incomers as are being made of incoming Asians now.  They
were lazy. They were coming here to take advantage of our benefits
system. They were taking our jobs. They were taking even taking our
women (a white woman who had a black boyfriend was regarded as little
better than a prostitute) They had dirty habits. They were aggressive
and lived 10 to a room. There were just too many of them we were being
over run etc. etc.

Incidentally they may have come from a British colonies but those
colonies were not Britain or British in character and still aren't.
Caribbean immigrants when set alongside the traditional British
reserve of the time were flamboyant.  They wore bright clothes and
liked loud rhythmic music. Many of them walked with a swagger.

Neither did they come here with grandiose ambitions of either becoming
British or making Britain part of the Caribbean. They came, just like
the Asians and the Irish before them to improve their lives and
prospects. They behaved pretty much as they had behaved back in
Jamaica or wherever. The social buzz words of those days were "racial
integration" There was an expectation of them to make some effort to
behave more like the British. Of course that expectation was never
realised to any extent. That was not as the result of any political
resistance on their part (though there were political activists
amongst them) but rather that these people, on the whole, were very
content to remain as they were thank you very much but no thanks! It
was upon this realisation that "racial integration" fell out of favour
with the social engineer to be replaced by the term 'multiculturalism'
and the obvious diversity became something to be celebrated  rather
than feared.

However that was 50 years and two generations ago what has happened?
All sorts of things. First and foremost the children and grandchildren
of the Empire Windrush generation have indeed become more like us and
why shouldn't they? They went to the same schools as their white
counterparts. They watched the same television, read the same
newspapers and magazines, walked the same streets, worked in the same
places, listened to the same music. What more would one expect? It
cannot be denied of course that the Caribbean 'invasion' has had an
effect on our culture probably most apparent in the fields of music
and cuisine.  Whether these changes are for the better is simply a
question of individual taste.

> Predominant among them are, of course, muslims.   It is disingenuous of
> you to claim that muslims are disparate, implying that their own
> internecine squabbling will somehow prevent them from amalgamating into
> the critical mass necessary to topple existing UK legal and political
> structures.

It's not disingenuous at all! A Balkan Muslim is not the same as an
Arab who is not the same as a Pakistani who is not the same as a Malay
who is not the same as an Indonesian and so on. To suggest otherwise
is an over simplification to the point of crudity. All of these people
speak different languages have undergone differen historical
experiences have had to overcome differing environmental circumstances
and so on. All these things work so as to produce peoples of differing
culture and perception even of the religion that superficially seems
to unite them. To take the classic example the schism between Sunni
and Shia Islamic tradition goes right back to the death of Mohammed
the Prophet. Highly endurable don't you think? How are such
differences to be reconciled so that Islam can take over in the UK?

> Islam, when push comes to shove, has only one prophet and only one
> vision - which is the imposition of the faith on the entire world.   It
> is their calling, their vision, their duty, their very raison d'etre -
> and the British people ignore it at their peril.
>
> Every mosque, every islamic information centre, every embrace of muslim
> culture by those who peddle 'multiculturalism' is another link in the
> chain that is being forged to bind us.
>
> I use inverted comma's when writing 'multiculturalism' because that is a
> concept unknown in islam.  For a devout muslim, their is only *one*
> culture and only *one* faith, islam - and only *one* true purpose in
> life, which is to establish it throughout the entire world.

The idea that you propagate her is one of permanence in that various
cultures are set in concrete whereas the truth is that all cultures
are dynamic and are in a constant state of change. To give again
simple examples over my, in historical terms, short life time,
attitudes towards illegitimacy, homosexuality, cohabitation outside
marriage, divorce, abortion, narcotics, alcohol, tobacco, have
undergone revolution in my lifetime and these changes have nothing to
do with immigration. Is anyone seriously suggesting that the
influences,whatever they are,  that brought about these changes leave
other cultures untouched ?

Take the "one faith Islam" that is exactly what is is. A faith! A
belief! just as is Christianity, Buddhism,  Shintoism, and all the
others. What is so special about Islam that makes it so resistant, in
contrast to the others, to the forces of secularism that are all
around us? What is it about a Muslim that he remains impervious to
that little box that sits in the corner probably the greatest
influence on cultural change today? Is he just thick or what? If he is
so thick or resistant to adaptation and attendant cultural change
then why should we have the slightest fear of him. He is a social
dinosaur.

If you think you can answer those questions answer this one. If Islam
is so ingrained, so established within the societies and communities
where it is practised, why is it that elders and religious leaders are
complaining that young people are attending the mosque less and less
and less and that those that do pay scant notice of what is said
there?

Farmer Giles wrote:
> "William Black"  wrote in message 

>>> 1. When you look at places like Wembley - and the now many other similar 
>>> places throughout Britain - do you not feel a tinge of regret about the 
>>> transformation that has taken place?
>> Not one bit.
> 
> For what reason: you didn't like what was there before, or you think that it 
> is better now?

What was there before was dreadful.

Don't you remember the slums of the fifties and early 'sixties?


>>> Since the main political parties will clearly - despite what they may 
>>> say - do little to stop further immigration, and given the higher birth 
>>> rates amongst immigrant populations, it is inevitable that - without a 
>>> radical change - what we see at Wembley and other similar towns will 
>>> happen throughout Great Britain. Do you think that:
>>>
>>> a) This is a good thing - please say why?
>>> b) A bad thing - please say why, or why not?
>>>
>>> c) It will not happen - please say why?
>> I don't care.
> 
> You don't care to answer the question?

No.  I don't care if locations in the UK have a higher ethnic minority 
population.

Indeed it could well be a better thing.

>> In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.
> 
> And where is your evidence for that?

All previous mass immigrations have done so.

>>> Immigration over the last 50/60 years has transformed Britain more 
>>> radically and more quickly than at any time over the last 1000 years. Do 
>>> you think that this:
>>>
>>> a) Has made Britain a better country - please say why?
>>>
>>> b) Has made Britain a worse country - please say why, or why not?
>>>
>>> c) Has made little difference?
>> It's a different country.
>>
>> It's certainly better a better place than the country I grew up in.
> 
> Is it? In what way, and why?

As I said above,  this country in the fifties and early sixties was a 
pretty dreadful place.

The filth poverty squalor and large scale slums have all more or less 
dissapeared.

>>> Many of my generation, and older, who have seen areas - that they once 
>>> knew as peaceful, homogenous and prosperous - change into dangerous, 
>>> crime-ridden multicultural cesspits, in which they neither feel 
>>> comfortable nor belong to, feel anger at what has happened to their 
>>> country. Do you think that:
>>>
>>> a) They are right to do so?
>>>
>>> b) They have no right to do so - please say why?
>>>
>>> c) They should just accept it, and resign themselves to the changes?
>> I think you need to rephrase your question.
> 
> 
> Why, and in what way? And why are you unable/unwilling to answer the 
> question as posed?

The question as posed is set in terms I consider to be insulting.


>>> Finally, if it is accepted that without a radical change Britain will be 
>>> changed completely over the next century to the extent that white 
>>> Anglo-Saxon/Celtic people will become a decreasing minority - if you 
>>> don't think that this will happen please explain why not - could you tell 
>>> us exactly what you think will have been beneficially achieved by this 
>>> process?
>> The Ethnic minorities are about 5% of the population at the moment.
> 
> Far more than than that - and that is only the ones that we know about!

Well the only figures we have are for 2001,  and they show that the 
ethnic minorities in the UK are:

1.  Very diverse.

2.  Concentrated in several small areas.

3.  About 5% of the population.

> 
>> For them to become a majority would require a change in the ethnic make-up 
>> of this country that is not reflected in any reasonable reality.
> 
> Whose reality - those with their eyes open and a capability for simple 
> arithmetic or those, like yourself, with a hidden agenda?

What hidden agenda?

>> For various reasons the ethnic minorities are concentrated in localised 
>> areas.
>>
>> As they become more prosperous they will move out into wider society and 
>> disperse into it.
> 
> That is already happening, experience shows that this doesn't help matters, 
> but you have, once again, failed to answer the question asked. 

Experience shows that:

1.  It does help matters.

2.  Most ethnic groups have very few problems integrating into British life.

3.  What problems there are look more like religious ones than ethnic ones.

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:

> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?

Well, you didn't seem to mind a certain prominent Labour MP telling 
British people that they should expect to move abroad in order to find 
work...

The gods have made us mad wrote:

> To have a black family as neighbours [...] is not a bad thing!

Yes it is.  I particularly find the 'N' word offensive when applied to a 
black person ;)

Mel Rowing wrote:

> I am old enough to remember the Empire Windrush days and believe you
> me, the same allegations were being made with respect to the Black
> Caribbean incomers as are being made of incoming Asians now.  They
> were lazy. They were coming here to take advantage of our benefits
> system. They were taking our jobs. They were taking even taking our
> women (a white woman who had a black boyfriend was regarded as little
> better than a prostitute)

I agree with all of the above, including the prostitute allegation.

> They had dirty habits. They were aggressive
> and lived 10 to a room. There were just too many of them we were being
> over run etc. etc.

Yep.

> Incidentally they may have come from a British colonies but those
> colonies were not Britain or British in character and still aren't.
> Caribbean immigrants when set alongside the traditional British
> reserve of the time were flamboyant.  They wore bright clothes and
> liked loud rhythmic music. Many of them walked with a swagger.

I can understand why people disliked these foreigners swaggering around 
our streets like they owned them.

> Neither did they come here with grandiose ambitions of either becoming
> British or making Britain part of the Caribbean. They came, just like
> the Asians and the Irish before them to improve their lives and
> prospects. They behaved pretty much as they had behaved back in
> Jamaica or wherever. The social buzz words of those days were "racial
> integration" There was an expectation of them to make some effort to
> behave more like the British. Of course that expectation was never
> realised to any extent. That was not as the result of any political
> resistance on their part (though there were political activists
> amongst them) but rather that these people, on the whole, were very
> content to remain as they were thank you very much but no thanks! It
> was upon this realisation that "racial integration" fell out of favour
> with the social engineer to be replaced by the term 'multiculturalism'
> and the obvious diversity became something to be celebrated  rather
> than feared.

In other words, bringing them over here was a huge mistake.

> However that was 50 years and two generations ago what has happened?
> All sorts of things. First and foremost the children and grandchildren
> of the Empire Windrush generation have indeed become more like us

No they haven't.  They still can't speak English properly and they will 
never be part of our broader history.

> and
> why shouldn't they? They went to the same schools as their white
> counterparts. They watched the same television, read the same
> newspapers and magazines, walked the same streets, worked in the same
> places, listened to the same music. What more would one expect? It
> cannot be denied of course that the Caribbean 'invasion' has had an
> effect on our culture probably most apparent in the fields of music
> and cuisine.  Whether these changes are for the better is simply a
> question of individual taste.

Yeah, it's great that they can listen to 'artists' making puerile rhymes 
about killing whitey and flood the airwaves with similar tripe.

> It's not disingenuous at all! A Balkan Muslim is not the same as an
> Arab who is not the same as a Pakistani who is not the same as a Malay
> who is not the same as an Indonesian and so on.

They do share one thing in common - they don't belong here.

William Black wrote:

> Aramis Gunton wrote:

>>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>>> frightened,

>> Was you accompanied by your Indian wife at the time?

> No.

Had you been accompanied by your wife, you might well have been 
frightened, for her safety if not for your own.

William Black wrote:

> In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.

Don't be so bloody stupid.  They will never be English.

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:hcp71p$4go$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Farmer Giles wrote:
>> "William Black"  wrote in message
>
>>>> 1. When you look at places like Wembley - and the now many other 
>>>> similar places throughout Britain - do you not feel a tinge of regret 
>>>> about the transformation that has taken place?
>>> Not one bit.
>>
>> For what reason: you didn't like what was there before, or you think that 
>> it is better now?
>
> What was there before was dreadful.
>
> Don't you remember the slums of the fifties and early 'sixties?

Certainly we had some slums, although very few in Wembley - plenty there 
now, though!

>
>
>>>> Since the main political parties will clearly - despite what they may 
>>>> say - do little to stop further immigration, and given the higher birth 
>>>> rates amongst immigrant populations, it is inevitable that - without a 
>>>> radical change - what we see at Wembley and other similar towns will 
>>>> happen throughout Great Britain. Do you think that:
>>>>
>>>> a) This is a good thing - please say why?
>>>> b) A bad thing - please say why, or why not?
>>>>
>>>> c) It will not happen - please say why?
>>> I don't care.
>>
>> You don't care to answer the question?
>
> No.  I don't care if locations in the UK have a higher ethnic minority 
> population.
>
> Indeed it could well be a better thing.

'Could well', not sure then? But still no answer!

>
>>> In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.
>>
>> And where is your evidence for that?
>
> All previous mass immigrations have done so.

And when were these previous 'mass immigrations', you speak of?


>
>>>> Immigration over the last 50/60 years has transformed Britain more 
>>>> radically and more quickly than at any time over the last 1000 years. 
>>>> Do you think that this:
>>>>
>>>> a) Has made Britain a better country - please say why?
>>>>
>>>> b) Has made Britain a worse country - please say why, or why not?
>>>>
>>>> c) Has made little difference?
>>> It's a different country.
>>>
>>> It's certainly better a better place than the country I grew up in.
>>
>> Is it? In what way, and why?
>
> As I said above,  this country in the fifties and early sixties was a 
> pretty dreadful place.

I don't know how much of Britain you saw in the 50s and 60s but, judging by 
the above, not too much of it. Although, as I recall from previous exchanges 
with you, your memory on such matters, and such times, is not just 
inaccurate but also very selective.

>
> The filth poverty squalor and large scale slums have all more or less 
> dissapeared.

Largely because of the social revolution that occurred as a result of the 
post-war desire to improve the lot of the working-class. Mass immigration 
made that process more difficult, not easier. There is now plenty 'filthy 
squalor' in many inner city areas, that have been colonised by ethnic 
minorities, where none existed previously.


>
>>>> Many of my generation, and older, who have seen areas - that they once 
>>>> knew as peaceful, homogenous and prosperous - change into dangerous, 
>>>> crime-ridden multicultural cesspits, in which they neither feel 
>>>> comfortable nor belong to, feel anger at what has happened to their 
>>>> country. Do you think that:
>>>>
>>>> a) They are right to do so?
>>>>
>>>> b) They have no right to do so - please say why?
>>>>
>>>> c) They should just accept it, and resign themselves to the changes?
>>> I think you need to rephrase your question.
>>
>>
>> Why, and in what way? And why are you unable/unwilling to answer the 
>> question as posed?
>
> The question as posed is set in terms I consider to be insulting.

To whom, and why?

>
>>>> Finally, if it is accepted that without a radical change Britain will 
>>>> be changed completely over the next century to the extent that white 
>>>> Anglo-Saxon/Celtic people will become a decreasing minority - if you 
>>>> don't think that this will happen please explain why not - could you 
>>>> tell us exactly what you think will have been beneficially achieved by 
>>>> this process?
>>> The Ethnic minorities are about 5% of the population at the moment.
>>
>> Far more than than that - and that is only the ones that we know about!
>
> Well the only figures we have are for 2001,  and they show that the ethnic 
> minorities in the UK are:
>
> 1.  Very diverse.
>
> 2.  Concentrated in several small areas.
>
> 3.  About 5% of the population.

Around 3 million in tthe entire country? I would like to see how they did 
their counting - and exactly who they counted!


>
>>
>>> For them to become a majority would require a change in the ethnic 
>>> make-up of this country that is not reflected in any reasonable reality.
>>
>> Whose reality - those with their eyes open and a capability for simple 
>> arithmetic or those, like yourself, with a hidden agenda?
>
> What hidden agenda?

The one that you have.

>
>>> For various reasons the ethnic minorities are concentrated in localised 
>>> areas.
>>>
>>> As they become more prosperous they will move out into wider society and 
>>> disperse into it.
>>
>> That is already happening, experience shows that this doesn't help 
>> matters, but you have, once again, failed to answer the question asked.
>
> Experience shows that:
>
> 1.  It does help matters.

No, it simply means that they become 'concentrated' over an even larger 
area.

>
> 2.  Most ethnic groups have very few problems integrating into British 
> life.

Rubbish!

>
> 3.  What problems there are look more like religious ones than ethnic 
> ones.

Oh, that's alright then.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
> 
> Well, you didn't seem to mind a certain prominent Labour MP telling 
> British people that they should expect to move abroad in order to find 
> work...

So?


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> Aramis Gunton wrote:
> 
>>>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>>>> frightened,
> 
>>> Was you accompanied by your Indian wife at the time?
> 
>> No.
> 
> Had you been accompanied by your wife, you might well have been 
> frightened, for her safety if not for your own.
> 
> 

In Morrison's?

You need to get out more...



-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> William Black wrote:

>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?

>> Well, you didn't seem to mind a certain prominent Labour MP telling 
>> British people that they should expect to move abroad in order to find 
>> work...

> So?

So there is a certain parallel there.

William Black wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> William Black wrote:

>>> Aramis Gunton wrote:

>>>>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel 
>>>>> frightened,

>>>> Was you accompanied by your Indian wife at the time?

>>> No.

>> Had you been accompanied by your wife, you might well have been 
>> frightened, for her safety if not for your own.

> In Morrison's?

In an immigrant area of East London.

Farmer Giles wrote:
> "William Black"  wrote in message 


>> Don't you remember the slums of the fifties and early 'sixties?
> 
> Certainly we had some slums, although very few in Wembley - plenty there 
> now, though!

The quality of housing today is an order of magnitude better than it was 
then.

What's more you know it.

We can both remember a time when an indoor toilet was considered 'middle 
class' and one bath a week was normal.

>>>> In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.
>>> And where is your evidence for that?
>> All previous mass immigrations have done so.
> 
> And when were these previous 'mass immigrations', you speak of?

The Jews and the Anglo Indians both came here in very large numbers 
within the past hundred years or so and have integrated almost totally.

> 
>> The filth poverty squalor and large scale slums have all more or less 
>> dissapeared.
> 
> Largely because of the social revolution that occurred as a result of the 
> post-war desire to improve the lot of the working-class. Mass immigration 
> made that process more difficult, not easier. There is now plenty 'filthy 
> squalor' in many inner city areas, that have been colonised by ethnic 
> minorities, where none existed previously.

But no children without shoes,  few illiterates and all are much better fed.


>>>> I think you need to rephrase your question.
>>>
>>> Why, and in what way? And why are you unable/unwilling to answer the 
>>> question as posed?
>> The question as posed is set in terms I consider to be insulting.
> 
> To whom, and why?

Because it presupposes that areas always change their nature for the 
worse if immigrants move into them.

> 

>>>> The Ethnic minorities are about 5% of the population at the moment.
>>> Far more than than that - and that is only the ones that we know about!
>> Well the only figures we have are for 2001,  and they show that the ethnic 
>> minorities in the UK are:
>>
>> 1.  Very diverse.
>>
>> 2.  Concentrated in several small areas.
>>
>> 3.  About 5% of the population.
> 
> Around 3 million in tthe entire country? I would like to see how they did 
> their counting - and exactly who they counted!

Well there'll be a census in a year or so,  we'll see then won't we.

Until then you'll have to settle for the 2001 figures.


>> What hidden agenda?
> 
> The one that you have.

Come on,  spit it out,  what is my hidden agenda?

>> 3.  What problems there are look more like religious ones than ethnic 
>> ones.
> 
> Oh, that's alright then.

No.

But it allows people to focus on the problem rather than wittering on 
about some sort of 'final solution to the immigrant problem' that exists 
only in the minds of the deranged.

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> White Spirit wrote:
> 
>>> William Black wrote:
> 
>>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
> 
>>> Well, you didn't seem to mind a certain prominent Labour MP telling 
>>> British people that they should expect to move abroad in order to 
>>> find work...
> 
>> So?
> 
> So there is a certain parallel there.

Well...

No there isn't...


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> White Spirit wrote:
> 
>>> William Black wrote:
> 
>>>> Aramis Gunton wrote:
> 
>>>>>> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't 
>>>>>> feel frightened,
> 
>>>>> Was you accompanied by your Indian wife at the time?
> 
>>>> No.
> 
>>> Had you been accompanied by your wife, you might well have been 
>>> frightened, for her safety if not for your own.
> 
>> In Morrison's?
> 
> In an immigrant area of East London.

Have you walked down the main street in Stratford in recent days?

The Olympic Games are going to be held there soon.

You can't move for plod and security men making sure nothing happens 
that might get in the papers and frighten away the tourists...


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Nov 2, 7:35 pm, Mel Rowing  wrote:
> One of those of the "wicked vicious faith" gave him the finger!
>
> This  forced him to abandon his demonstration but only on the advice
> of his heavies (sorry " private security guards") you understand.
>
> Are they really as private as all that? I thought we were paying them!
>
> Anyway we now know how to get rid of him if he comes to a venue near
> you.
>
> It doesn't worry him though!
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6486929/BNPs-Nick-Griffi...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ybz2opj

Well done Mr Griffin for bringing the vile racist to justice.

So what exactly is your problem?

You don't like to see racists prosecuted?

On Nov 3, 12:00 am, William Black  wrote:
> John Bennett wrote:
> > Farmer Giles wrote:
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1b9J8D3tOg&feature=player_embedded
>
> > When Mel or Blackie watch that video,they will quite rightly point out
> > that it has been photo shopped and quite badly at that.
> > If you look really closely,you can see the white skin under all that
> > black make up and making the people dress up as Afghanis or Iraqis was
> > that really necessary?
>
> Well no.
>
> I looks like film of perfectly law abiding people going about their
> lawful business.
>
> I've been in immigrant areas in West and East London and don't feel
> frightened,
>
> I remember once making jokes about being the only white man in Morrisons
> in Stratford...
>
> More to the point,  why did he feel frightened?
>
> Why are you frightened?
>
> --
> William Black
>
> "Any number under six"
>
> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
> single handed with a quarterstaff.

LOL

You really are a funny guy!

William Black wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> William Black wrote:

>>> White Spirit wrote:

>>>> William Black wrote:

>>>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?

>>>> Well, you didn't seem to mind a certain prominent Labour MP telling 
>>>> British people that they should expect to move abroad in order to 
>>>> find work...

>>> So?

>> So there is a certain parallel there.

> Well...

> No there isn't...

Well, yes.  You supported the idea that people should be expected to 
move abroad to find work yet dislike someone telling you where to live. 
  That involves a certain level of hypocrisy.

White Spirit wrote:

> They do share one thing in common - they don't belong here.

And that SIR is the nub of the matter.
I wish it had been me that said it.
Well done sir,well done!

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> White Spirit wrote:
> 
>>> William Black wrote:
> 
>>>> White Spirit wrote:
> 
>>>>> William Black wrote:
> 
>>>>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
> 
>>>>> Well, you didn't seem to mind a certain prominent Labour MP telling 
>>>>> British people that they should expect to move abroad in order to 
>>>>> find work...
> 
>>>> So?
> 
>>> So there is a certain parallel there.
> 
>> Well...
> 
>> No there isn't...
> 
> Well, yes.  You supported the idea that people should be expected to 
> move abroad to find work yet dislike someone telling you where to live. 
>  That involves a certain level of hypocrisy.

No.

I have no problem with people looking for work abroad.

I do object to people being compelled to do so.

Your fundamental problem is you see no distinction between compulsion 
and choice.

Your view of the world is fundamentally totalitarian.

Mine is one that respects freedom of choice.

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Nov 3, 3:23 pm, William Black  wrote:
> White Spirit wrote:
> > William Black wrote:
>
> >> White Spirit wrote:
>
> >>> William Black wrote:
>
> >>>> White Spirit wrote:
>
> >>>>> William Black wrote:
>
> >>>>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
>
> >>>>> Well, you didn't seem to mind a certain prominent Labour MP telling
> >>>>> British people that they should expect to move abroad in order to
> >>>>> find work...
>
> >>>> So?
>
> >>> So there is a certain parallel there.
>
> >> Well...
>
> >> No there isn't...
>
> > Well, yes.  You supported the idea that people should be expected to
> > move abroad to find work yet dislike someone telling you where to live.
> >  That involves a certain level of hypocrisy.
>
> No.
>
> I have no problem with people looking for work abroad.
>
> I do object to people being compelled to do so.
>
> Your fundamental problem is you see no distinction between compulsion
> and choice.
>
> Your view of the world is fundamentally totalitarian.
>
> Mine is one that respects freedom of choice.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> "Any number under six"
>
> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
> single handed with a quarterstaff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So you respect my right to choose not to embrace multiculturalism and
all its vestiges?

Sam wrote:
> On Nov 3, 3:23 pm, William Black  wrote:
>> White Spirit wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> White Spirit wrote:
>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>> White Spirit wrote:
>>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
>>>>>>> Well, you didn't seem to mind a certain prominent Labour MP telling
>>>>>>> British people that they should expect to move abroad in order to
>>>>>>> find work...
>>>>>> So?
>>>>> So there is a certain parallel there.
>>>> Well...
>>>> No there isn't...
>>> Well, yes.  You supported the idea that people should be expected to
>>> move abroad to find work yet dislike someone telling you where to live.
>>>  That involves a certain level of hypocrisy.
>> No.
>>
>> I have no problem with people looking for work abroad.
>>
>> I do object to people being compelled to do so.
>>
>> Your fundamental problem is you see no distinction between compulsion
>> and choice.
>>
>> Your view of the world is fundamentally totalitarian.
>>
>> Mine is one that respects freedom of choice.
>>
> 
> So you respect my right to choose not to embrace multiculturalism and
> all its vestiges?

Of course,  but you get to respect other people's freedom to do 
otherwise if they wish.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:

> I have no problem with people looking for work abroad.

> I do object to people being compelled to do so.

> Your fundamental problem is you see no distinction between compulsion 
> and choice.

If eighty percent of all new jobs are going to foreign migrants, do you 
think that people have much choice?

> Your view of the world is fundamentally totalitarian.

My views on immigration are totalitarian.

> Mine is one that respects freedom of choice.

Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are flooded 
with migrants.

John Bennett wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> They do share one thing in common - they don't belong here.

> And that SIR is the nub of the matter.
> I wish it had been me that said it.
> Well done sir,well done!

Thank you, sir.

William Black wrote:

> Have you walked down the main street in Stratford in recent days?

Yes.

> The Olympic Games are going to be held there soon.

I can't wait.

> You can't move for plod and security men making sure nothing happens 
> that might get in the papers and frighten away the tourists...

That's not my experience.

On Nov 3, 3:34 pm, William Black  wrote:
> Sam wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 3:23 pm, William Black  wrote:
> >> White Spirit wrote:
> >>> William Black wrote:
> >>>> White Spirit wrote:
> >>>>> William Black wrote:
> >>>>>> White Spirit wrote:
> >>>>>>> William Black wrote:
> >>>>>>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
> >>>>>>> Well, you didn't seem to mind a certain prominent Labour MP telling
> >>>>>>> British people that they should expect to move abroad in order to
> >>>>>>> find work...
> >>>>>> So?
> >>>>> So there is a certain parallel there.
> >>>> Well...
> >>>> No there isn't...
> >>> Well, yes.  You supported the idea that people should be expected to
> >>> move abroad to find work yet dislike someone telling you where to live.
> >>>  That involves a certain level of hypocrisy.
> >> No.
>
> >> I have no problem with people looking for work abroad.
>
> >> I do object to people being compelled to do so.
>
> >> Your fundamental problem is you see no distinction between compulsion
> >> and choice.
>
> >> Your view of the world is fundamentally totalitarian.
>
> >> Mine is one that respects freedom of choice.
>
> > So you respect my right to choose not to embrace multiculturalism and
> > all its vestiges?
>
> Of course,  but you get to respect other people's freedom to do
> otherwise if they wish.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> "Any number under six"
>
> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
> single handed with a quarterstaff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course. Goes without saying.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> I have no problem with people looking for work abroad.
> 
>> I do object to people being compelled to do so.
> 
>> Your fundamental problem is you see no distinction between compulsion 
>> and choice.
> 
> If eighty percent of all new jobs are going to foreign migrants, do you 
> think that people have much choice?
> 
>> Your view of the world is fundamentally totalitarian.
> 
> My views on immigration are totalitarian.
> 
>> Mine is one that respects freedom of choice.
> 
> Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are flooded 
> with migrants.

You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing things.

It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> Have you walked down the main street in Stratford in recent days?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> The Olympic Games are going to be held there soon.
> 
> I can't wait.

I know,  it's going to be  a ghastly mess isn't it...

Still,  the one redeeming feature will be watching Boris making the 
excuses...

> 
>> You can't move for plod and security men making sure nothing happens 
>> that might get in the papers and frighten away the tourists...
> 
> That's not my experience.

As I have said before,  you need to get out more...

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Nov 3, 4:36 pm, William Black  wrote:
> White Spirit wrote:
> > William Black wrote:
>
> >> I have no problem with people looking for work abroad.
>
> >> I do object to people being compelled to do so.
>
> >> Your fundamental problem is you see no distinction between compulsion
> >> and choice.
>
> > If eighty percent of all new jobs are going to foreign migrants, do you
> > think that people have much choice?
>
> >> Your view of the world is fundamentally totalitarian.
>
> > My views on immigration are totalitarian.
>
> >> Mine is one that respects freedom of choice.
>
> > Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are flooded
> > with migrants.
>
> You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing things> It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> "Any number under six"
>
> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
> single handed with a quarterstaff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How can you accuse someone of having a totalitarian mindset because
they happen not to agree with their country being turned into a third
world cesspit?

I would call that a common sense mindset!

Sam wrote:
> On Nov 3, 4:36 pm, William Black  wrote:
>> White Spirit wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> I have no problem with people looking for work abroad.
>>>> I do object to people being compelled to do so.
>>>> Your fundamental problem is you see no distinction between compulsion
>>>> and choice.
>>> If eighty percent of all new jobs are going to foreign migrants, do you
>>> think that people have much choice?
>>>> Your view of the world is fundamentally totalitarian.
>>> My views on immigration are totalitarian.
>>>> Mine is one that respects freedom of choice.
>>> Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are flooded
>>> with migrants.
>> You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing things.
>>
>> It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.
>>
>> --
>> William Black
>>
>> "Any number under six"
>>
>> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
>> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
>> single handed with a quarterstaff.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> How can you accuse someone of having a totalitarian mindset because
> they happen not to agree with their country being turned into a third
> world cesspit?
> 
> I would call that a common sense mindset!

Having seen the odd Third World cesspit I have to say that you 
exaggerate somewhat.

Your denial of people's freedom isn't a surprise either...

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Nov 3, 4:51 pm, William Black  wrote:
> Sam wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 4:36 pm, William Black  wrote:
> >> White Spirit wrote:
> >>> William Black wrote:
> >>>> I have no problem with people looking for work abroad.
> >>>> I do object to people being compelled to do so.
> >>>> Your fundamental problem is you see no distinction between compulsion
> >>>> and choice.
> >>> If eighty percent of all new jobs are going to foreign migrants, do you
> >>> think that people have much choice?
> >>>> Your view of the world is fundamentally totalitarian.
> >>> My views on immigration are totalitarian.
> >>>> Mine is one that respects freedom of choice.
> >>> Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are flooded
> >>> with migrants.
> >> You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing things.
>
> >> It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.
>
> >> --
> >> William Black
>
> >> "Any number under six"
>
> >> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
> >> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
> >> single handed with a quarterstaff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > How can you accuse someone of having a totalitarian mindset because
> > they happen not to agree with their country being turned into a third
> > world cesspit?
>
> > I would call that a common sense mindset!
>
> Having seen the odd Third World cesspit I have to say that you
> exaggerate somewhat.

Do i?


>
> Your denial of people's freedom isn't a surprise either...

What denial?

Where is this denial?

Please show me?
>
> --
> William Black
>
> "Any number under six"
>
> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
> single handed with a quarterstaff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

William Black wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are 
>> flooded with migrants.

> You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing things.

> It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.

You seem to think that immigration should be a basic right.

William Black wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you 
>>>>>> to go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your 
>>>>>> particular outlook on life.
>>>>>
>>>>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person? 
>>>
>>> Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?<<<
>>
>>
>> Well, there you go, then - an intolerant country like India should 
>> suit you nicely.
>>
>> A word of caution before you set off for your new life, though.  Under 
>> no circumstance should you start telling the majority population that 
>> they must [1] open up India to unlimited numbers of immigrants, and 
>> [2] that they must then change their society to fit in with the needs 
>> and aspirations of those immigrants.
>>
>> If you *do* start spouting that sort of nonsense over there, you might 
>> well find that Hindus are even less tolerant than you thought.
>>
>> I wouldn't want to read about you being set ablaze in your car by 
>> fiery tempered Hindu nationalists...
>>
>> Apart from those provisos - have a wonderful new life, and a safe 
>> journey.
> 
> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?


Why not? - it's my country.

Since you've, apparently, compromised your allegiance by dint of your 
domestic arrangements, and since you are so obviously trying to engineer 
a ghastly multiracial society that is sympathetic to your own 
circumstances, you have (imo) lost the right to any say in the matter.

Please go, without further ado.

Think of it as the price of true love.....

William Black wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> William Black wrote:

>>> Have you walked down the main street in Stratford in recent days?

>> Yes.

>>> The Olympic Games are going to be held there soon.

>> I can't wait.

> I know,  it's going to be  a ghastly mess isn't it...

I think it already is.

> Still,  the one redeeming feature will be watching Boris making the 
> excuses...

Yes, seeing him squirm will be somewhat amusing.

>>> You can't move for plod and security men making sure nothing happens 
>>> that might get in the papers and frighten away the tourists...

>> That's not my experience.

> As I have said before,  you need to get out more...

I've been to Stratford plenty of times.  It's not exactly my favourite 
haunt, though.

Anyway, doesn't your assertion that there is a large Police presence in 
Stratford render your opinion that immigrant areas are safe somewhat moot?

On Nov 3, 5:11 pm, White Spirit  wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> > White Spirit wrote:
> >> Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are
> >> flooded with migrants.
> > You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing things.
> > It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.
>
> You seem to think that immigration should be a basic right.

If Mr Black understood the concept of democracy, then who would
quickly realise that the wholesale changes that are taking place in
Britain have not been ordained, or validated by any sort of
plebiscites; it has mealy been forced upon us by a systematic,
subliminal drive to surreptitiously coerce us into accepting the
status quo by way of veiled threats that have been ushered in by the
polity and rubber stamped by our so called bicameral system of
governance.

Such a state of affairs can only be construed as a total disregard for
the democratic process by those malefactors who seek to destroy
Britain.

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:hcpn27$9o9$9@news.eternal-september.org...
> Sam wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 4:36 pm, William Black  wrote:
>>> White Spirit wrote:
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> I have no problem with people looking for work abroad.
>>>>> I do object to people being compelled to do so.
>>>>> Your fundamental problem is you see no distinction between compulsion
>>>>> and choice.
>>>> If eighty percent of all new jobs are going to foreign migrants, do you
>>>> think that people have much choice?
>>>>> Your view of the world is fundamentally totalitarian.
>>>> My views on immigration are totalitarian.
>>>>> Mine is one that respects freedom of choice.
>>>> Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are 
>>>> flooded
>>>> with migrants.
>>> You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing 
>>> things.
>>>
>>> It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.
>>>
>>> --
>>> William Black
>>>
>>> "Any number under six"
>>>
>>> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
>>> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
>>> single handed with a quarterstaff.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> How can you accuse someone of having a totalitarian mindset because
>> they happen not to agree with their country being turned into a third
>> world cesspit?
>>
>> I would call that a common sense mindset!
>
> Having seen the odd Third World cesspit

Don't be so rude about your in-laws' beloved country, Blackie !

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:hcpff8$eh7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Farmer Giles wrote:
>> "William Black"  wrote in message
>
>
>>> Don't you remember the slums of the fifties and early 'sixties?
>>
>> Certainly we had some slums, although very few in Wembley - plenty there 
>> now, though!
>
> The quality of housing today is an order of magnitude better than it was 
> then.
>
> What's more you know it.

I also know that it has nothing to do with immigration, or this 'debate'.


>
> We can both remember a time when an indoor toilet was considered 'middle 
> class' and one bath a week was normal.

If you went back far enough - anywhere in the world - an indoor toilet would 
have been very 'upper' class, but none of that has anything to do with 
immigration or ethnic minorities. Other than the fact you are trying to 
conflate a general rise in living standards - because of education and 
better access to technology - with the coincidental arrival of masses of 
immigrants.


>
>>>>> In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.
>>>> And where is your evidence for that?
>>> All previous mass immigrations have done so.
>>
>> And when were these previous 'mass immigrations', you speak of?
>
> The Jews and the Anglo Indians both came here in very large numbers within 
> the past hundred years or so and have integrated almost totally.

Compared with post-WWII Commonwealth immigration, a mere handful of Jews 
came here in the 19th Century, and they have (largely) never fully 
integrated - as you clearly demonstrate yourself. And please tell me more 
about this 'mass immigration' of Anglo-Indians in the last hundred years or 
so - how many, etc?

>
>>
>>> The filth poverty squalor and large scale slums have all more or less 
>>> dissapeared.
>>
>> Largely because of the social revolution that occurred as a result of the 
>> post-war desire to improve the lot of the working-class. Mass immigration 
>> made that process more difficult, not easier. There is now plenty 'filthy 
>> squalor' in many inner city areas, that have been colonised by ethnic 
>> minorities, where none existed previously.
>
> But no children without shoes,  few illiterates and all are much better 
> fed.

And you put all that down to mass immigration, do you?

>
>
>>>>> I think you need to rephrase your question.
>>>>
>>>> Why, and in what way? And why are you unable/unwilling to answer the 
>>>> question as posed?
>>> The question as posed is set in terms I consider to be insulting.
>>
>> To whom, and why?
>
> Because it presupposes that areas always change their nature for the worse 
> if immigrants move into them.

It 'presupposes' nothing of the sort. I simply stated what many people have 
seen, many times over. Do you deny than many once pleasant and prosperous 
urban and suburban areas, which are heavily populated with ethnic 
minorities, have now become 'dangerous, crime-ridden multicultural 
cessspits'?

You spoke recently of Cape Hill in Birmingham, that you claimed to have 
visited. Here is such an area, formerly a highly desirable residential 
area - before it was 'enriched' from the 1960s onwards, from whence it 
slowly progressed to the multicultural cesspit which it has now 
irrecoverably become. Do you claim that 1930s, 1940s, 1950s Smethwick was 
not a far better place to live than it is now? Because, if you do, you would 
be the only one to do so! Do you claim that the nearby - and, formerly, even 
more desirable - area of Bearwood has not reached the same abysmal level - 
or Bham 16, Edgbaston, which borders Cape Hill? You tried to claim recently 
that these areas had 'improved', clearly you know little about them or their 
past.


>
>>
>
>>>>> The Ethnic minorities are about 5% of the population at the moment.
>>>> Far more than than that - and that is only the ones that we know about!
>>> Well the only figures we have are for 2001,  and they show that the 
>>> ethnic minorities in the UK are:
>>>
>>> 1.  Very diverse.
>>>
>>> 2.  Concentrated in several small areas.
>>>
>>> 3.  About 5% of the population.
>>
>> Around 3 million in tthe entire country? I would like to see how they did 
>> their counting - and exactly who they counted!
>
> Well there'll be a census in a year or so,  we'll see then won't we.
>
> Until then you'll have to settle for the 2001 figures.


I'm afraid I won't, as someone once said - 'There are lies, damned lies, and 
then there are statistics'.

>
>
>>> What hidden agenda?
>>
>> The one that you have.
>
> Come on,  spit it out,  what is my hidden agenda?

The one that you make a poor job of concealing.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> White Spirit wrote:
> 
>>> Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are 
>>> flooded with migrants.
> 
>> You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing 
>> things.
> 
>> It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.
> 
> You seem to think that immigration should be a basic right.

I think trying to close borders is folly.

Nobody has ever effectively stopped economic migration,  and I doubt 
anyone ever will.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

Sam wrote:
> On Nov 3, 5:11 pm, White Spirit  wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> White Spirit wrote:
>>>> Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are
>>>> flooded with migrants.
>>> You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing things.
>>> It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.
>> You seem to think that immigration should be a basic right.
> 
> If Mr Black understood the concept of democracy, then who would
> quickly realise that the wholesale changes that are taking place in
> Britain have not been ordained, or validated by any sort of
> plebiscites; it has mealy been forced upon us by a systematic,
> subliminal drive to surreptitiously coerce us into accepting the
> status quo by way of veiled threats that have been ushered in by the
> polity and rubber stamped by our so called bicameral system of
> governance.
> 
> Such a state of affairs can only be construed as a total disregard for
> the democratic process by those malefactors who seek to destroy
> Britain.

Take more water with it son.

You're starting to froth.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you 
>>>>>>> to go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your 
>>>>>>> particular outlook on life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person? 
>>>>
>>>> Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?<<<
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, there you go, then - an intolerant country like India should 
>>> suit you nicely.
>>>
>>> A word of caution before you set off for your new life, though.  
>>> Under no circumstance should you start telling the majority 
>>> population that they must [1] open up India to unlimited numbers of 
>>> immigrants, and [2] that they must then change their society to fit 
>>> in with the needs and aspirations of those immigrants.
>>>
>>> If you *do* start spouting that sort of nonsense over there, you 
>>> might well find that Hindus are even less tolerant than you thought.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't want to read about you being set ablaze in your car by 
>>> fiery tempered Hindu nationalists...
>>>
>>> Apart from those provisos - have a wonderful new life, and a safe 
>>> journey.
>>
>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
> 
> 
> Why not? - it's my country.
> 
> Since you've, apparently, compromised your allegiance by dint of your 
> domestic arrangements, and since you are so obviously trying to engineer 
> a ghastly multiracial society that is sympathetic to your own 
> circumstances, you have (imo) lost the right to any say in the matter.
> 
> Please go, without further ado.
> 
> Think of it as the price of true love.....
> 

Your problem here is that my side is winning.

Found somewhere to run yet?


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> White Spirit wrote:
> 
>>> William Black wrote:
> 
>>>> Have you walked down the main street in Stratford in recent days?
> 
>>> Yes.
> 
>>>> The Olympic Games are going to be held there soon.
> 
>>> I can't wait.
> 
>> I know,  it's going to be  a ghastly mess isn't it...
> 
> I think it already is.
> 
>> Still,  the one redeeming feature will be watching Boris making the 
>> excuses...
> 
> Yes, seeing him squirm will be somewhat amusing.

Won't it just...

>>>> You can't move for plod and security men making sure nothing happens 
>>>> that might get in the papers and frighten away the tourists...
> 
>>> That's not my experience.
> 
>> As I have said before,  you need to get out more...
> 
> I've been to Stratford plenty of times.  It's not exactly my favourite 
> haunt, though.
> 
> Anyway, doesn't your assertion that there is a large Police presence in 
> Stratford render your opinion that immigrant areas are safe somewhat moot?

Stratford has been a  dangerous place to go out after dark for a very 
long time indeed...


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Nov 3, 6:47 pm, William Black  wrote:
> Sam wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 5:11 pm, White Spirit  wrote:
> >> William Black wrote:
> >>> White Spirit wrote:
> >>>> Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are
> >>>> flooded with migrants.
> >>> You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing things.
> >>> It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.
> >> You seem to think that immigration should be a basic right.
>
> > If Mr Black understood the concept of democracy, then who would
> > quickly realise that the wholesale changes that are taking place in
> > Britain have not been ordained, or validated by any sort of
> > plebiscites; it has mealy been forced upon us by a systematic,
> > subliminal drive to surreptitiously coerce us into accepting the
> > status quo by way of veiled threats that have been ushered in by the
> > polity and rubber stamped by our so called bicameral system of
> > governance.
>
> > Such a state of affairs can only be construed as a total disregard for
> > the democratic process by those malefactors who seek to destroy
> > Britain.
>
> Take more water with it son.
>
> You're starting to froth.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> "Any number under six"
>
> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
> single handed with a quarterstaff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


It takes slightly more than the deluded ramblings of some petty
liberal to get my back up.

On Nov 3, 6:48 pm, William Black  wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > William Black wrote:
> >> The gods have made us mad wrote:
> >>> William Black wrote:
> >>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
> >>>>> William Black wrote:
> >>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
> >>>>>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you
> >>>>>>> to go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your
> >>>>>>> particular outlook on life.
>
> >>>>>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
>
> >>>>> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person?
>
> >>>> Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?<<<
>
> >>> Well, there you go, then - an intolerant country like India should
> >>> suit you nicely.
>
> >>> A word of caution before you set off for your new life, though.  
> >>> Under no circumstance should you start telling the majority
> >>> population that they must [1] open up India to unlimited numbers of
> >>> immigrants, and [2] that they must then change their society to fit
> >>> in with the needs and aspirations of those immigrants.
>
> >>> If you *do* start spouting that sort of nonsense over there, you
> >>> might well find that Hindus are even less tolerant than you thought.
>
> >>> I wouldn't want to read about you being set ablaze in your car by
> >>> fiery tempered Hindu nationalists...
>
> >>> Apart from those provisos - have a wonderful new life, and a safe
> >>> journey.
>
> >> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
>
> > Why not? - it's my country.
>
> > Since you've, apparently, compromised your allegiance by dint of your
> > domestic arrangements, and since you are so obviously trying to engineer
> > a ghastly multiracial society that is sympathetic to your own
> > circumstances, you have (imo) lost the right to any say in the matter.
>
> > Please go, without further ado.
>
> > Think of it as the price of true love.....
>
> Your problem here is that my side is winning.
>
> Found somewhere to run yet?
>
> --
> William Black
>
> "Any number under six"
>
> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
> single handed with a quarterstaff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Your side is winning?

I hate to think how it will look when your side is losing ;O)

William Black wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable 
>>>>>>>> you to go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to 
>>>>>>>> your particular outlook on life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person? 
>>>>>
>>>>> Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?<<<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, there you go, then - an intolerant country like India should 
>>>> suit you nicely.
>>>>
>>>> A word of caution before you set off for your new life, though.  
>>>> Under no circumstance should you start telling the majority 
>>>> population that they must [1] open up India to unlimited numbers of 
>>>> immigrants, and [2] that they must then change their society to fit 
>>>> in with the needs and aspirations of those immigrants.
>>>>
>>>> If you *do* start spouting that sort of nonsense over there, you 
>>>> might well find that Hindus are even less tolerant than you thought.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't want to read about you being set ablaze in your car by 
>>>> fiery tempered Hindu nationalists...
>>>>
>>>> Apart from those provisos - have a wonderful new life, and a safe 
>>>> journey.
>>>
>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
>>
>>
>> Why not? - it's my country.
>>
>> Since you've, apparently, compromised your allegiance by dint of your 
>> domestic arrangements, and since you are so obviously trying to 
>> engineer a ghastly multiracial society that is sympathetic to your own 
>> circumstances, you have (imo) lost the right to any say in the matter.
>>
>> Please go, without further ado.
>>
>> Think of it as the price of true love.....
>>
> 
> Your problem here is that my side is winning<<

Yes, you are winning.  At the moment.

The trouble with gloating scrotes like you, though, is that they 
invariably become over confident.

Anti-German forces in the 20's turned Weimar into a filthy sewer - and 
crowed about their 'victory. A triumph that proved to be quite 
short-lived, in the end.

I'm a moderate man.  I hold sincere Christian beliefs - up to a couple 
of years ago I would no more have supported the BNP than I would poke my 
eyes out.

Yet, now I'd vote for them every day of the week, and twice on  Sunday - 
mainly because I can see creatures like you dancing for joy at the 
destruction of my race, my culture, and my country.

So, if *I* feel like that (and I do) how many millions of other Brits 
are coming to the same conclusion?, and if a tipping point is reached, 
what then?.............

My advice would to get in all the gloating you can, while you can.  Life 
has a disconcerting habit of taking directions that we least expect.

Shiva, alone, knows what's going to happen in the next few years...


> Found somewhere to run yet?<<

No - but I'm considering divorcing my wife, and going Native with a new 
bride.  Then, if it became impossible to live here any longer,  I'd be 
able to seek refuge in some hut in a dusty fly-blown third world village.

Farmer Giles wrote:
> "William Black"  wrote in message 



> 
>>>>>> In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.
>>>>> And where is your evidence for that?
>>>> All previous mass immigrations have done so.
>>> And when were these previous 'mass immigrations', you speak of?
>> The Jews and the Anglo Indians both came here in very large numbers within 
>> the past hundred years or so and have integrated almost totally.
> 
> Compared with post-WWII Commonwealth immigration, a mere handful of Jews 
> came here in the 19th Century, and they have (largely) never fully 
> integrated - as you clearly demonstrate yourself.

Oh dear.

Half the cabinet is Jewish,  and you can't tell who is and who isn't 
without a score card...


  And please tell me more
> about this 'mass immigration' of Anglo-Indians in the last hundred years or 
> so - how many, etc?

About 400,000 Anglo Indians and East Indians (The former are 
Protestants,  the latter Catholic) came to the UK between 1947 and 1960.

Very few of them had any relations or white British origin nearer than a 
great grandfather.  Many of them went to work,  as they had in India, 
on the railways.

The vast majority of them intermarried into the community with no 
problems at all.

>>>> What hidden agenda?
>>> The one that you have.
>> Come on,  spit it out,  what is my hidden agenda?
> 
> The one that you make a poor job of concealing.

So you're a coward...

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:
> White Spirit wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>
>>> White Spirit wrote:
>>
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>
>>>>> Have you walked down the main street in Stratford in recent days?
>>
>>>> Yes.
>>
>>>>> The Olympic Games are going to be held there soon.
>>
>>>> I can't wait.
>>
>>> I know,  it's going to be  a ghastly mess isn't it...
>>
>> I think it already is.
>>
>>> Still,  the one redeeming feature will be watching Boris making the 
>>> excuses...
>>
>> Yes, seeing him squirm will be somewhat amusing.
> 
> Won't it just...
> 
>>>>> You can't move for plod and security men making sure nothing 
>>>>> happens that might get in the papers and frighten away the tourists...
>>
>>>> That's not my experience.
>>
>>> As I have said before,  you need to get out more...
>>
>> I've been to Stratford plenty of times.  It's not exactly my favourite 
>> haunt, though.
>>
>> Anyway, doesn't your assertion that there is a large Police presence 
>> in Stratford render your opinion that immigrant areas are safe 
>> somewhat moot?
> 
> Stratford has been a  dangerous place to go out after dark for a very 
> long time indeed...<<


They seemed safe enough in the pitch darkness of the blackout during WW2.

It would appear that the rise in street crime corresponds to the rise in 
immigrant numbers.

Sam wrote:
> On Nov 3, 6:47 pm, William Black  wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 5:11 pm, White Spirit  wrote:
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> White Spirit wrote:
>>>>>> Rubbish.  You don't respect our freedom to choose whether we are
>>>>>> flooded with migrants.
>>>>> You confuse 'freedom' with your ability to stop other people doing things.
>>>>> It's a common failing with the totalitarian mindset.
>>>> You seem to think that immigration should be a basic right.
>>> If Mr Black understood the concept of democracy, then who would
>>> quickly realise that the wholesale changes that are taking place in
>>> Britain have not been ordained, or validated by any sort of
>>> plebiscites; it has mealy been forced upon us by a systematic,
>>> subliminal drive to surreptitiously coerce us into accepting the
>>> status quo by way of veiled threats that have been ushered in by the
>>> polity and rubber stamped by our so called bicameral system of
>>> governance.
>>> Such a state of affairs can only be construed as a total disregard for
>>> the democratic process by those malefactors who seek to destroy
>>> Britain.
>> Take more water with it son.
>>
>> You're starting to froth.
>>

> 
> 
> It takes slightly more than the deluded ramblings of some petty
> liberal to get my back up.

You're full of it son.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

Sam wrote:
> On Nov 3, 6:48 pm, William Black  wrote:
>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you
>>>>>>>>> to go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your
>>>>>>>>> particular outlook on life.
>>>>>>>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
>>>>>>> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person?
>>>>>> Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?<<<
>>>>> Well, there you go, then - an intolerant country like India should
>>>>> suit you nicely.
>>>>> A word of caution before you set off for your new life, though.  
>>>>> Under no circumstance should you start telling the majority
>>>>> population that they must [1] open up India to unlimited numbers of
>>>>> immigrants, and [2] that they must then change their society to fit
>>>>> in with the needs and aspirations of those immigrants.
>>>>> If you *do* start spouting that sort of nonsense over there, you
>>>>> might well find that Hindus are even less tolerant than you thought.
>>>>> I wouldn't want to read about you being set ablaze in your car by
>>>>> fiery tempered Hindu nationalists...
>>>>> Apart from those provisos - have a wonderful new life, and a safe
>>>>> journey.
>>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
>>> Why not? - it's my country.
>>> Since you've, apparently, compromised your allegiance by dint of your
>>> domestic arrangements, and since you are so obviously trying to engineer
>>> a ghastly multiracial society that is sympathetic to your own
>>> circumstances, you have (imo) lost the right to any say in the matter.
>>> Please go, without further ado.
>>> Think of it as the price of true love.....
>> Your problem here is that my side is winning.
>>
>> Found somewhere to run yet?
>>
>> --
>> William Black

> 
> Your side is winning?
> 
> I hate to think how it will look when your side is losing ;O)
>

You don't get it do you.

You views are abhorrent to the vast majority of the people of this country.

What's more they will remain so.

You're a dinosaur howling for your lost leader.

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Nov 3, 7:34 pm, William Black  wrote:
> Sam wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 6:48 pm, William Black  wrote:
> >> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>
> >>> William Black wrote:
> >>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
> >>>>> William Black wrote:
> >>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
> >>>>>>> William Black wrote:
> >>>>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable you
> >>>>>>>>> to go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to your
> >>>>>>>>> particular outlook on life.
> >>>>>>>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
> >>>>>>> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person?
> >>>>>> Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?<<<
> >>>>> Well, there you go, then - an intolerant country like India should
> >>>>> suit you nicely.
> >>>>> A word of caution before you set off for your new life, though.  
> >>>>> Under no circumstance should you start telling the majority
> >>>>> population that they must [1] open up India to unlimited numbers of
> >>>>> immigrants, and [2] that they must then change their society to fit
> >>>>> in with the needs and aspirations of those immigrants.
> >>>>> If you *do* start spouting that sort of nonsense over there, you
> >>>>> might well find that Hindus are even less tolerant than you thought> >>>>> I wouldn't want to read about you being set ablaze in your car by
> >>>>> fiery tempered Hindu nationalists...
> >>>>> Apart from those provisos - have a wonderful new life, and a safe
> >>>>> journey.
> >>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
> >>> Why not? - it's my country.
> >>> Since you've, apparently, compromised your allegiance by dint of your
> >>> domestic arrangements, and since you are so obviously trying to engineer
> >>> a ghastly multiracial society that is sympathetic to your own
> >>> circumstances, you have (imo) lost the right to any say in the matter> >>> Please go, without further ado.
> >>> Think of it as the price of true love.....
> >> Your problem here is that my side is winning.
>
> >> Found somewhere to run yet?
>
> >> --
> >> William Black
>
> > Your side is winning?
>
> > I hate to think how it will look when your side is losing ;O)
>
> You don't get it do you.

Enlighten me?
>
> You views are abhorrent to the vast majority of the people of this country.

What are my views?
>
> What's more they will remain so.

I sense some insecurity.
>
> You're a dinosaur howling for your lost leader.

LOL
>
> --
> William Black
>
> "Any number under six"
>
> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
> Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
> single handed with a quarterstaff.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable 
>>>>>>>>> you to go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to 
>>>>>>>>> your particular outlook on life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?<<<
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, there you go, then - an intolerant country like India should 
>>>>> suit you nicely.
>>>>>
>>>>> A word of caution before you set off for your new life, though.  
>>>>> Under no circumstance should you start telling the majority 
>>>>> population that they must [1] open up India to unlimited numbers of 
>>>>> immigrants, and [2] that they must then change their society to fit 
>>>>> in with the needs and aspirations of those immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you *do* start spouting that sort of nonsense over there, you 
>>>>> might well find that Hindus are even less tolerant than you thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't want to read about you being set ablaze in your car by 
>>>>> fiery tempered Hindu nationalists...
>>>>>
>>>>> Apart from those provisos - have a wonderful new life, and a safe 
>>>>> journey.
>>>>
>>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
>>>
>>>
>>> Why not? - it's my country.
>>>
>>> Since you've, apparently, compromised your allegiance by dint of your 
>>> domestic arrangements, and since you are so obviously trying to 
>>> engineer a ghastly multiracial society that is sympathetic to your 
>>> own circumstances, you have (imo) lost the right to any say in the 
>>> matter.
>>>
>>> Please go, without further ado.
>>>
>>> Think of it as the price of true love.....
>>>
>>
>> Your problem here is that my side is winning<<
> 
> Yes, you are winning.  At the moment.

And look like continuing to do so.

The press and the establishment,  corrupt as they are,  won't tolerate 
people like you achieving any power.

> The trouble with gloating scrotes like you, though, is that they 
> invariably become over confident.

If I was gloating I wouldn't be bothering to engage with you.

I know 'no platform' doesn't work.  I know that scum like you and your 
mates need to be challenged at every opportunity,  and I know that 
without constant vigilance the vile filth you espouse will rise again.

> Anti-German forces in the 20's turned Weimar into a filthy sewer - and 
> crowed about their 'victory. A triumph that proved to be quite 
> short-lived, in the end.

And look what happened next...

"In the end the world rose up and killed the bastard"

We don't want to have to go through that ever again.

>> Found somewhere to run yet?<<
> 
> No - but I'm considering divorcing my wife, and going Native with a new 
> bride.  Then, if it became impossible to live here any longer,  I'd be 
> able to seek refuge in some hut in a dusty fly-blown third world village.

Bye...

Don't let the door catch you on the way out...

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:hcq0eu$9gf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Farmer Giles wrote:
>> "William Black"  wrote in message
>
>>>>>>> In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.
>>>>>> And where is your evidence for that?
>>>>> All previous mass immigrations have done so.
>>>> And when were these previous 'mass immigrations', you speak of?
>>> The Jews and the Anglo Indians both came here in very large numbers 
>>> within the past hundred years or so and have integrated almost totally.
>>
>> Compared with post-WWII Commonwealth immigration, a mere handful of Jews 
>> came here in the 19th Century, and they have (largely) never fully 
>> integrated - as you clearly demonstrate yourself.
>
> Oh dear.
>
> Half the cabinet is Jewish,  and you can't tell who is and who isn't 
> without a score card...
>
>
>  And please tell me more
>> about this 'mass immigration' of Anglo-Indians in the last hundred years 
>> or so - how many, etc?
>
> About 400,000 Anglo Indians and East Indians (The former are Protestants, 
> the latter Catholic) came to the UK between 1947 and 1960.
>
> Very few of them had any relations or white British origin nearer than a 
> great grandfather.  Many of them went to work,  as they had in India, on 
> the railways.
>
> The vast majority of them intermarried into the community with no problems 
> at all.

So much so that they are invisible. I don't know of anyone in the real world 
who has ever encountered one of these mythical beasts, Blackie.

>>>>> What hidden agenda?
>>>> The one that you have.
>>> Come on,  spit it out,  what is my hidden agenda?
>>
>> The one that you make a poor job of concealing.
>
> So you're a coward...

So he's hit a nerve.

William Black wrote:

> 
> You don't get it do you.
> 
> You views are abhorrent to the vast majority of the people of this country.
> 
> What's more they will remain so.



I'm not going to pretend for one moment that you actually believe that 
rubbish.

Whatever else you may be, I don't take you for a fool - and you would 
have to be a fool of the greatest magnitude to think that the British 
people are not sick and tired with multiculturalism, and the dross that 
follows in its wake.

I tell you now, seriously and honestly, that wherever white Britons 
speak freely among themselves, they denounce immigration and all that it 
is wrought (and, very often, if *far* more lurid terms that are 
manifested on this newsgroup!)

You *know* it to be so, don't you? - that is why you are so fearful of 
the British people rising en-masse to reclaim that which has been stolen 
from them.  You *know* that Britain has not yet been completely muzzled 
- and you won't sleep easily until any spirit of resistance has been 
crushed.

You accuse others of being motivated by 'fear' - yet it is fear that 
impels you to help to destroy a national identity, simply to secure your 
own selfish interests.

You're scared of Nationalism, the spectre of a nation united to achieve 
a common purpose gnaws away at you - is that not so, William?

You *know* that 'Britain' is *not* the affluent media-chatterers who 
have done very nicely, thank you, out of the betrayal of the UK!

William Black wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I, however, think you are in need of a plane ticket to enable 
>>>>>>>>>> you to go and live with your in-laws, in a land more suited to 
>>>>>>>>>> your particular outlook on life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What on earth makes you think India is a tolerant society?<<
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What on earth makes you think that you are a tolerant person? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who ever claimed I was a tolerant man?<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, there you go, then - an intolerant country like India should 
>>>>>> suit you nicely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A word of caution before you set off for your new life, though.  
>>>>>> Under no circumstance should you start telling the majority 
>>>>>> population that they must [1] open up India to unlimited numbers 
>>>>>> of immigrants, and [2] that they must then change their society to 
>>>>>> fit in with the needs and aspirations of those immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you *do* start spouting that sort of nonsense over there, you 
>>>>>> might well find that Hindus are even less tolerant than you thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wouldn't want to read about you being set ablaze in your car by 
>>>>>> fiery tempered Hindu nationalists...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apart from those provisos - have a wonderful new life, and a safe 
>>>>>> journey.
>>>>>
>>>>> How dare you presume to give me instructions on where to live?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why not? - it's my country.
>>>>
>>>> Since you've, apparently, compromised your allegiance by dint of 
>>>> your domestic arrangements, and since you are so obviously trying to 
>>>> engineer a ghastly multiracial society that is sympathetic to your 
>>>> own circumstances, you have (imo) lost the right to any say in the 
>>>> matter.
>>>>
>>>> Please go, without further ado.
>>>>
>>>> Think of it as the price of true love.....
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your problem here is that my side is winning<<
>>
>> Yes, you are winning.  At the moment.
> 
> And look like continuing to do so.
> 
> The press and the establishment,  corrupt as they are,  won't tolerate 
> people like you achieving any power.
> 
>> The trouble with gloating scrotes like you, though, is that they 
>> invariably become over confident.
> 
> If I was gloating I wouldn't be bothering to engage with you.
> 
> I know 'no platform' doesn't work.  I know that scum like you and your 
> mates need to be challenged at every opportunity,  and I know that 
> without constant vigilance the vile filth you espouse will rise again.
> 
>> Anti-German forces in the 20's turned Weimar into a filthy sewer - and 
>> crowed about their 'victory. A triumph that proved to be quite 
>> short-lived, in the end.
> 
> And look what happened next...
> 
> "In the end the world rose up and killed the bastard"
> 
> We don't want to have to go through that ever again.
> 
>>> Found somewhere to run yet?<<
>>
>> No - but I'm considering divorcing my wife, and going Native with a 
>> new bride.  Then, if it became impossible to live here any longer,  
>> I'd be able to seek refuge in some hut in a dusty fly-blown third 
>> world village.
> 
> Bye...
> 
> Don't let the door catch you on the way out...


Oh dear - William, I've upset you.

This is *just* the sort of thing that happens when you mistake a  Usenet 
discussion group for a Hindi festival of peace & love..... ego's get 
bruised, and affronts get taken.

Nonetheless - rude man, though you be,  my sincere best wishes for any 
future journey to the magical land of India remain.

Travel peacefully, and arrive safely, Sahib.

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:

>> Stratford has been a  dangerous place to go out after dark for a very 
>> long time indeed...<<
> 
> 
> They seemed safe enough in the pitch darkness of the blackout during WW2.
> '

I imagine that it depends on whether or not young men were dropping 
bombs on Stratford at the time.

But East London was dangerous after dark long before that...


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>>
>> You don't get it do you.
>>
>> You views are abhorrent to the vast majority of the people of this 
>> country.
>>
>> What's more they will remain so.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm not going to pretend for one moment that you actually believe that 
> rubbish.
> 
> Whatever else you may be, I don't take you for a fool - and you would 
> have to be a fool of the greatest magnitude to think that the British 
> people are not sick and tired with multiculturalism, and the dross that 
> follows in its wake.

The vast majority of people don't care.

> I tell you now, seriously and honestly, that wherever white Britons 
> speak freely among themselves, they denounce immigration and all that it 
> is wrought (and, very often, if *far* more lurid terms that are 
> manifested on this newsgroup!)

Not in my experience.

You're delusional.

> You *know* it to be so, don't you? - that is why you are so fearful of 
> the British people rising en-masse to reclaim that which has been stolen 
> from them.  You *know* that Britain has not yet been completely muzzled 
> - and you won't sleep easily until any spirit of resistance has been 
> crushed.

And then you'll sing three fast choruses of 'Tomorrow Belongs To Me' and 
invade Belgium...

> 
> You accuse others of being motivated by 'fear' - yet it is fear that 
> impels you to help to destroy a national identity, simply to secure your 
> own selfish interests.

What selfish interests?

> You're scared of Nationalism, the spectre of a nation united to achieve 
> a common purpose gnaws away at you - is that not so, William?

A spectre is haunting England,  the spectre of nationalism...

I think not.

> You *know* that 'Britain' is *not* the affluent media-chatterers who 
> have done very nicely, thank you, out of the betrayal of the UK!

Right now I'm busy watching the right wing nationalist section of the 
Tory Party rip itself to bits over this one,  and guess what,  they're 
going down to the clever blokes in suits because the clever blokes in 
suits have all the power...

Not only has my side won the argument,  it has won it with everyone, 
including the Old Etonian toffs who run the Tory Party...

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

Chris X wrote:
> "William Black"  wrote in message 
> news:hcq0eu$9gf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Farmer Giles wrote:
>>> "William Black"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.
>>>>>>> And where is your evidence for that?
>>>>>> All previous mass immigrations have done so.
>>>>> And when were these previous 'mass immigrations', you speak of?
>>>> The Jews and the Anglo Indians both came here in very large numbers 
>>>> within the past hundred years or so and have integrated almost totally.
>>> Compared with post-WWII Commonwealth immigration, a mere handful of Jews 
>>> came here in the 19th Century, and they have (largely) never fully 
>>> integrated - as you clearly demonstrate yourself.
>> Oh dear.
>>
>> Half the cabinet is Jewish,  and you can't tell who is and who isn't 
>> without a score card...
>>
>>
>>  And please tell me more
>>> about this 'mass immigration' of Anglo-Indians in the last hundred years 
>>> or so - how many, etc?
>> About 400,000 Anglo Indians and East Indians (The former are Protestants, 
>> the latter Catholic) came to the UK between 1947 and 1960.
>>
>> Very few of them had any relations or white British origin nearer than a 
>> great grandfather.  Many of them went to work,  as they had in India, on 
>> the railways.
>>
>> The vast majority of them intermarried into the community with no problems 
>> at all.
> 
> So much so that they are invisible. I don't know of anyone in the real world 
> who has ever encountered one of these mythical beasts, Blackie.
> 

http://www.margaretdeefholts.com/angloindian.htm

http://www.bbcwhodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/take-it-further/overseas/anglo-indian-ancestors

http://www.anglo-indians.com/main.asp?menuID=5&submenuID=45&mymode=

http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/asian/angloindians/angloindians.htm


And then there's Englebert,  Freddie Mercury and Keith Vaz,  but the 
less said about the last one the better...

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:hcq0eu$9gf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Farmer Giles wrote:
>> "William Black"  wrote in message
>
>
>
>>
>>>>>>> In a generation they'll be as English as you or I.
>>>>>> And where is your evidence for that?
>>>>> All previous mass immigrations have done so.
>>>> And when were these previous 'mass immigrations', you speak of?
>>> The Jews and the Anglo Indians both came here in very large numbers 
>>> within the past hundred years or so and have integrated almost totally.
>>
>> Compared with post-WWII Commonwealth immigration, a mere handful of Jews 
>> came here in the 19th Century, and they have (largely) never fully 
>> integrated - as you clearly demonstrate yourself.
>
> Oh dear.
>
> Half the cabinet is Jewish,  and you can't tell who is and who isn't 
> without a score card...

'Oh dear', talk about self-delusion!

>
>
>  And please tell me more
>> about this 'mass immigration' of Anglo-Indians in the last hundred years 
>> or so - how many, etc?
>
> About 400,000 Anglo Indians and East Indians (The former are Protestants, 
> the latter Catholic) came to the UK between 1947 and 1960.

> Very few of them had any relations or white British origin nearer than a 
> great grandfather.  Many of them went to work,  as they had in India, on 
> the railways.
>
> The vast majority of them intermarried into the community with no problems 
> at all.


Er, you were talking about 'previous mass immigrations'  - that is mass 
immigrations prior to the last 50/60 years (ie the recent influx).

Is this the best you can do?



>
>>>>> What hidden agenda?
>>>> The one that you have.
>>> Come on,  spit it out,  what is my hidden agenda?
>>
>> The one that you make a poor job of concealing.
>
> So you're a coward...


What is there to be cowardly about, Willie, are you making threats?

Your vile and evil agenda is as clear as day - just like that of your mate 
Rowing - and, no, I'm not going to spell it out. I don't need to, you know 
it and I know it.


BTW, why have you snipped all those other questions I asked you? Where they 
too difficult for you, or was it that they simply showed that you have been 
spouting off about things you really don't know anything about?

Farmer Giles wrote:
> "William Black"  wrote in message 

>>
>> Half the cabinet is Jewish,  and you can't tell who is and who isn't 
>> without a score card...
> 
> 'Oh dear', talk about self-delusion!

Oh get real.

You're becoming deranged.

Straw now flaunts himself as Jewish but he himself didn't know he was 
very slightly Jewish until someone pointed it out to him a few years 
ago,  and now he's 'The Jew Straw'.

>>  And please tell me more
>>> about this 'mass immigration' of Anglo-Indians in the last hundred years 
>>> or so - how many, etc?
>> About 400,000 Anglo Indians and East Indians (The former are Protestants, 
>> the latter Catholic) came to the UK between 1947 and 1960.
> 
>> Very few of them had any relations or white British origin nearer than a 
>> great grandfather.  Many of them went to work,  as they had in India, on 
>> the railways.
>>
>> The vast majority of them intermarried into the community with no problems 
>> at all.
> 
> 
> Er, you were talking about 'previous mass immigrations'  - that is mass 
> immigrations prior to the last 50/60 years (ie the recent influx).
> 
> Is this the best you can do?

It's an example of successful mass immigration.

So are the Jews

>>>>>> What hidden agenda?
>>>>> The one that you have.
>>>> Come on,  spit it out,  what is my hidden agenda?
>>> The one that you make a poor job of concealing.
>> So you're a coward...
> 
> 
> What is there to be cowardly about, Willie, are you making threats?
> 
> Your vile and evil agenda is as clear as day - just like that of your mate 
> Rowing - and, no, I'm not going to spell it out. I don't need to, you know 
> it and I know it.

Wriggle wriggle wriggle.

You're still a coward.

Come on,  say what you mean.

What exactly is my hidden agenda?

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:hcq7om$882$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> Farmer Giles wrote:
>> "William Black"  wrote in message
>
>>>
>>> Half the cabinet is Jewish,  and you can't tell who is and who isn't 
>>> without a score card...
>>
>> 'Oh dear', talk about self-delusion!
>
> Oh get real.

Whooosh!


 > You're becoming deranged.

That's priceless, coming from you.




>
> Straw now flaunts himself as Jewish but he himself didn't know he was very 
> slightly Jewish until someone pointed it out to him a few years ago,  and 
> now he's 'The Jew Straw'.

Which has to do with what, exactly?



>
>>>  And please tell me more
>>>> about this 'mass immigration' of Anglo-Indians in the last hundred 
>>>> years or so - how many, etc?
>>> About 400,000 Anglo Indians and East Indians (The former are 
>>> Protestants, the latter Catholic) came to the UK between 1947 and 1960.
>>
>>> Very few of them had any relations or white British origin nearer than a 
>>> great grandfather.  Many of them went to work,  as they had in India, on 
>>> the railways.
>>>
>>> The vast majority of them intermarried into the community with no 
>>> problems at all.
>>
>>
>> Er, you were talking about 'previous mass immigrations'  - that is mass 
>> immigrations prior to the last 50/60 years (ie the recent influx).
>>
>> Is this the best you can do?
>
> It's an example of successful mass immigration.

Successful for whom? But, anyway, this is post WWII immigration - where are 
all these 'previous' mass immigrations you spoke of?


> So are the Jews

Successful for whom?




>>>>>>> What hidden agenda?
>>>>>> The one that you have.
>>>>> Come on,  spit it out,  what is my hidden agenda?
>>>> The one that you make a poor job of concealing.
>>> So you're a coward...
>>
>>
>> What is there to be cowardly about, Willie, are you making threats?
>>
>> Your vile and evil agenda is as clear as day - just like that of your 
>> mate Rowing - and, no, I'm not going to spell it out. I don't need to, 
>> you know it and I know it.
>
> Wriggle wriggle wriggle.

> You're still a coward.

What is there to be cowardly about, Willie, are you making threats?


> Come on,  say what you mean.
>
> What exactly is my hidden agenda?

Your vile and evil agenda is as clear as day - just like that of your mate
Rowing - and, no, I'm not going to spell it out. I don't need to, you know
it and I know it.


BTW, why have you snipped all those other questions I asked you? Where they
too difficult for you, or was it that they simply showed that you have been
spouting off about things you really don't know anything about?

Farmer Giles wrote:
> "William Black"  wrote in message 
> news:hcq7om$882$3@news.eternal-september.org...

> 
> 
>  > You're becoming deranged.
> 
> That's priceless, coming from you.

But I'm the one who is arguing from strength.

The authorities,  such as they are,  agree with me.

>> Straw now flaunts himself as Jewish but he himself didn't know he was very 
>> slightly Jewish until someone pointed it out to him a few years ago,  and 
>> now he's 'The Jew Straw'.
> 
> Which has to do with what, exactly?

You said Jews don't integrate.

>>>>  And please tell me more
>>>>> about this 'mass immigration' of Anglo-Indians in the last hundred 
>>>>> years or so - how many, etc?
>>>> About 400,000 Anglo Indians and East Indians (The former are 
>>>> Protestants, the latter Catholic) came to the UK between 1947 and 1960.
>>>> Very few of them had any relations or white British origin nearer than a 
>>>> great grandfather.  Many of them went to work,  as they had in India, on 
>>>> the railways.
>>>>
>>>> The vast majority of them intermarried into the community with no 
>>>> problems at all.
>>>
>>> Er, you were talking about 'previous mass immigrations'  - that is mass 
>>> immigrations prior to the last 50/60 years (ie the recent influx).
>>>
>>> Is this the best you can do?
>> It's an example of successful mass immigration.
> 
> Successful for whom? But, anyway, this is post WWII immigration - where are 
> all these 'previous' mass immigrations you spoke of?

My example is adequate for such as you.

>> So are the Jews
> 
> Successful for whom?

The Jews and the country.

>>>>>>>> What hidden agenda?
>>>>>>> The one that you have.
>>>>>> Come on,  spit it out,  what is my hidden agenda?
>>>>> The one that you make a poor job of concealing.
>>>> So you're a coward...
>>>
>>> What is there to be cowardly about, Willie, are you making threats?
>>>
>>> Your vile and evil agenda is as clear as day - just like that of your 
>>> mate Rowing - and, no, I'm not going to spell it out. I don't need to, 
>>> you know it and I know it.
>> Wriggle wriggle wriggle.
> 
>> You're still a coward.
> 
> What is there to be cowardly about, Willie, are you making threats?

Threats?

Goodness no.

I don't have to threaten you.

You refuse to say what your tiny mind thinks is my hidden agenda.

>> Come on,  say what you mean.
>>
>> What exactly is my hidden agenda?
> 
> Your vile and evil agenda is as clear as day - just like that of your mate
> Rowing - and, no, I'm not going to spell it out. I don't need to, you know
> it and I know it.

No I don't.

You live in a very odd world dear boy.

Do try and understand that most people are not as frightened as you are.


> BTW, why have you snipped all those other questions I asked you? Where they
> too difficult for you, 

Nope.

Too boring.

Or too biased.

'Have you stopped beating your wife' is not a valid question...

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:

> Sam wrote:

>> If Mr Black understood the concept of democracy, then who would
>> quickly realise that the wholesale changes that are taking place in
>> Britain have not been ordained, or validated by any sort of
>> plebiscites; it has mealy been forced upon us by a systematic,
>> subliminal drive to surreptitiously coerce us into accepting the
>> status quo by way of veiled threats that have been ushered in by the
>> polity and rubber stamped by our so called bicameral system of
>> governance.

>> Such a state of affairs can only be construed as a total disregard for
>> the democratic process by those malefactors who seek to destroy
>> Britain.

> Take more water with it son.

> You're starting to froth.

He speaks the truth.

William Black wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> You seem to think that immigration should be a basic right.

> I think trying to close borders is folly.

> Nobody has ever effectively stopped economic migration,  and I doubt 
> anyone ever will.

The vast majority of the arrivals in the UK and their descendants should 
be considered uneconomic migrants...

The gods have made us mad wrote:

> William Black wrote:

>> Found somewhere to run yet?<<

> No - but I'm considering divorcing my wife, and going Native with a new 
> bride.  Then, if it became impossible to live here any longer,  I'd be 
> able to seek refuge in some hut in a dusty fly-blown third world village.

Sorry, William, but I had to laugh at that.  You have to admit that he 
has a way with words :)

On Nov 3, 7:08 pm, The gods have made us mad 
wrote:

> I'm a moderate man.  I hold sincere Christian beliefs - up to a couple
> of years ago I would no more have supported the BNP than I would poke my
> eyes out.

Christian beliefs of the Reverend West variety perhaps ?

If this is true then you are a hypocrite. You have not the slightest
notion of Christian brotherhood.

Christ said we should love our neighbours and forgive sin. You cannot
even forgive your neighbour the colour of his skin.

William Black wrote:

> The gods have made us mad wrote:

>> William Black wrote:

>>> Stratford has been a  dangerous place to go out after dark for a very 
>>> long time indeed...<<

>> They seemed safe enough in the pitch darkness of the blackout during WW2.
>> '

> I imagine that it depends on whether or not young men were dropping 
> bombs on Stratford at the time.

> But East London was dangerous after dark long before that...

Only for gin-sodden harlots.

On Nov 3, 11:04 pm, White Spirit  wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>
> > William Black wrote:
> >> Found somewhere to run yet?<<
> > No - but I'm considering divorcing my wife, and going Native with a new
> > bride.  Then, if it became impossible to live here any longer,  I'd be
> > able to seek refuge in some hut in a dusty fly-blown third world village.
>
> Sorry, William, but I had to laugh at that.  You have to admit that he
> has a way with words :)

So has a con man but he's out to twist you just the same!

White Spirit wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
> 
>> William Black wrote:
> 
>>> Found somewhere to run yet?<<
> 
>> No - but I'm considering divorcing my wife, and going Native with a 
>> new bride.  Then, if it became impossible to live here any longer,  
>> I'd be able to seek refuge in some hut in a dusty fly-blown third 
>> world village.
> 
> Sorry, William, but I had to laugh at that.  You have to admit that he 
> has a way with words :)
> 
> 

He can be very witty.

That's why he's dangerous...


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> The gods have made us mad wrote:
> 
>>> William Black wrote:
> 
>>>> Stratford has been a  dangerous place to go out after dark for a 
>>>> very long time indeed...<<
> 
>>> They seemed safe enough in the pitch darkness of the blackout during 
>>> WW2.
>>> '
> 
>> I imagine that it depends on whether or not young men were dropping 
>> bombs on Stratford at the time.
> 
>> But East London was dangerous after dark long before that...
> 
> Only for gin-sodden harlots.
> 

:-)

At least there's someone awake out there...



-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

Mel Rowing wrote:
> On Nov 3, 7:08 pm, The gods have made us mad 
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm a moderate man.  I hold sincere Christian beliefs - up to a couple
>> of years ago I would no more have supported the BNP than I would poke my
>> eyes out.
> 
> Christian beliefs of the Reverend West variety perhaps ?
> 
> If this is true then you are a hypocrite. You have not the slightest
> notion of Christian brotherhood.
> 
> Christ said we should love our neighbours and forgive sin. You cannot
> even forgive your neighbour the colour of his skin.



Christ said that we should love our neighbours as ourselves - which is 
not quite the all embracing sentimentality that you suggest.

I don't tolerate or encourage homosexuality - so neither should I, as a 
Christian, encourage others in a sin that I know is [1] an affront to 
God, [2] brings a curse upon any nation that sanctions it, and [3] will 
cast the unrepentant homosexual into hell for all eternity.

Your bogus version of 'love' is to tolerate sins that will lead to the 
damnation of others - which is, actually, nothing but unmitigated hatred.

Similarly, the first duty of any Christian is to his/her brothers& 
sisters in Christ.  Those brothers and sisters are daily being raped, 
mutilated, and killed in more countries than you can shake a stick at!.

Does the Christian then welcome into Britain adherents of the very 
religions in whose name these atrocities are being committed?!

'Christian brotherhood' is not, has never been, and never will be, an 
ecumenical miasma that encompasses every creed and faith and counts them 
all equal.

As strongly as the most fervent muslim believes in his 'prophet', the 
true Christian believes that there is only one Lord, only one Faith, 
only one Baptism - and one mediator between God and mankind, and one 
atonement for sin, Jesus Christ.

Every other path, every other philosophy, every other creed, every other 
belief system is a fast track to hell.

That might not accord with the bogus 'tolerant' spirit of the age - but 
it is a truth upon which you can stake your immortal soul.

It was God who raised this little insignificant country up and made it 
so startlingly great among the nations of the earth - and while we 
nurtured the flame of Christian truth He blessed us, and sustained us, 
and protected us.

Conversely, it is *precisely* because we turned our backs on Him - and, 
worse, enacted unimaginably pernicious laws, directly contravening his 
word - that He has turned *His* back upon us - leaving a void into which 
has rushed just about every abomination and filthiness that men can devise.

Skin colour is not the issue! - I have already commented on the 
Caribbean Christians who came here in 50's and 60's.  What *is* relevant 
are the pagan rites and heathen idolatries unleashed in this land 
through 'multiculturalism' - not to mention the ever growing power of a 
militant islam that will seek to subjugate *all*!

This struggle is not about 'land'! - what could be more futile than 
fighting solely to preserve something that we occupy only on the most 
transient basis?

70 years?, 80?, 90? - life is a blip, a fleeting chink of light as the 
wind drives storm clouds across the face of the sun.  How many have you 
known who have now gone?, how many do you know who will shortly go?

We are, truly, made of dust - as fragile as eggshells, as transitory as 
a puff of smoke, here today, and gone tomorrow - if not sooner!

So, that being the case,  should we care if the land is occupied by 
strangers?, should we protest if ungodly beliefs and creeds hold sway in 
the place of Christianity?

Absolutely! - but not for 'the land' - rather for the Christian faith it 
once sheltered.

For, as surely as our time on earth is brief, our time in the next life 
will be never ending.  We are *all* going to live forever!, guaranteed.

Our souls will never die, never be unconscious, never be 'unknowing' - 
so the question of *where* we spend that eternity is *the* only question 
of any importance whatsoever.

When Christianity flourished in the UK, some believed and were saved 
from hell, many did not.  But the opportunity and the choice was there.

Now that 'multiculturalism' has all but driven Christianity out, tens of 
millions of Britons have never even heard the Gospel. They couldn't even 
tell you the simplest significances of the traditional Christian 
holidays such as Easter or Christmas, much less understand that Christ 
died for their sins, and wants to forgive them and grant them eternal life!

*That* is what has been lost to immigration and multiculturalism - it's 
not a matter of arcane traditions being gradually forgotten like the 
fading knowledge of barely remembered folklore, but of the opportunities 
for salvation once afforded by a living Christian gospel, reinforced 
with Christian laws and precepts, that is now denied to the people of 
Britain.

*That's* why immigration and multiculturalism are a bad thing.

HTH.

On Nov 4, 1:24 am, The gods have made us mad 
wrote:

> > Christ said we should love our neighbours and forgive sin. You cannot
> > even forgive your neighbour the colour of his skin.
>
> Christ said that we should love our neighbours as ourselves - which is
> not quite the all embracing sentimentality that you suggest.

I too was brought up in the Christian tradition and I fail to see the
distinction. All you do is express the sentiment in a different may in
that we should not place love of ourselves beyond that of our
neighbours. It does not mean we should only love those who are as
(like) ourselves.

> I don't tolerate or encourage homosexuality - so neither should I, as a
> Christian, encourage others in a sin that I know is [1] an affront to
> God, [2] brings a curse upon any nation that sanctions it, and [3] will
> cast the unrepentant homosexual into hell for all eternity.
>
> Your bogus version of 'love' is to tolerate sins that will lead to the
> damnation of others - which is, actually, nothing but unmitigated hatred.

Sin is neither tolerated nor condoned. As you say yourself, an
important part of Christianity is repentance which begins with
confession. Don't (in my case did) we not commence our services with
the General Confession?

Almighty and most merciful father.
We have erred and strayed from thy ways like lost sheep ...

Under the Christian tradition there is no sinner  who cannot be
redeemed through sincere repentance.

> Similarly, the first duty of any Christian is to his/her brothers&
> sisters in Christ.  Those brothers and sisters are daily being raped,
> mutilated, and killed in more countries than you can shake a stick at!.

The first duty of any Christian is to God! to do his will!

One demand made by God and expressed through the Jesus Christ, again
as you say, to love your neighbour as yourself. Christ did not say
love only your white neighbour or only he who attends your church or
only he who subscribes to your religions but to all your neighbours.
As Bishop Tutu said of Prime Mister Verwoerd "He is my brother and I
do love him whether he likes it or not" I refer you further to the
parable of the Good Samaritan.

> Does the Christian then welcome into Britain adherents of the very
> religions in whose name these atrocities are being committed?!

I wasn't aware that one of the tenets of the Islamic faith was that
one should rape, mutilate and kill. In as much as Muslims do commit
such atrocities they are individual acts that are not committed solely
by those of any particular persuasion. I am unaware of Christ ever
prescribing collective punishments.

> 'Christian brotherhood' is not, has never been, and never will be, an
> ecumenical miasma that encompasses every creed and faith and counts them
> all equal.

Christianity certainly isn't! It has a missionary fervour that goes
right back to its very inception. The early Christians all came from
other faiths Anyone of any faith or none is welcome in any Christian
church where they will be treated with "Christian hospitality" Ever
heard that term? The Christian missionaries that went out to foreign
lands, for all their shortcomings, went in good faith. They carried
out their "good deeds" indiscriminately without regard to the
recipients existing faith. Slamming the door in someone's face is no
part of the Christian tradition.

> As strongly as the most fervent muslim believes in his 'prophet', the
> true Christian believes that there is only one Lord, only one Faith,
> only one Baptism - and one mediator between God and mankind, and one
> atonement for sin, Jesus Christ.

The Muslim believes in the same God who he calls Allah. The place of
Christ is replaced in Islam with Muhammad and Christ himself is
reduced to a prophet.

> Every other path, every other philosophy, every other creed, every other
> belief system is a fast track to hell.

I see! A spiteful Lord. Not one, thankfully, I ever made acquaintance
with.

> That might not accord with the bogus 'tolerant' spirit of the age - but
> it is a truth upon which you can stake your immortal soul.

> It was God who raised this little insignificant country up and made it
> so startlingly great among the nations of the earth - and while we
> nurtured the flame of Christian truth He blessed us, and sustained us,
> and protected us.

If the Lord had not been on our side ... (the beginning of the Service
of Thanksgiving for Victory in Battle  in the Book of Common Prayer)
The trouble is that in fairly recent times the enemy would have been
reciting something very similar and to the same deity.

We are not his chosen people. The Gospels make no such assertion. The
God I was brought up with would surely have no truck with such mundane
matters he was more insistent rather that the Christian word should be
spread. Blessed are the meek .., Blessed are the poor .., Blessed are
the peacemakers ... (The beatitudes from the Sermon on the Mount)

> Conversely, it is *precisely* because we turned our backs on Him - and,
> worse, enacted unimaginably pernicious laws, directly contravening his
> word - that He has turned *His* back upon us - leaving a void into which
> has rushed just about every abomination and filthiness that men can devise.

This is toxic stuff. Just as toxic as anything that was ever preached
by any half or fully crazy imam! Real Old Testament. I don't recognise
your vengeful and spiteful Lord.

He did after all grant us a freedom of will that still remains central
to our culture. We did not turn our backs on him. Our attentions were
distracted away from him or rather his churches by the wonderful
discoveries and innovations that were going on around us. Incidentally
the more fundamental of these developments took place during times
when this "little insignificant country" was very much on the
ascendancy in terms of Empire and economic development. As regards the
social development that all this economic growth in particular made
possible, most of the great social reformers were ardent Christians
who, whether they were or not, believed themselves to be doing God's
work.

> Skin colour is not the issue! - I have already commented on the
> Caribbean Christians who came here in 50's and 60's.  What *is* relevant
> are the pagan rites and heathen idolatries unleashed in this land
> through 'multiculturalism' - not to mention the ever growing power of a
> militant islam that will seek to subjugate *all*!

Paganism is older then Christianity. Paganism was what St Augustine
found when he landed on these islands but he survived to carry out his
conversions. Pagans are/were not evil. I refuse to believe that every
Pagan that  has ever existed  eternally burns in Hell.

Neither is Islam pagan. The God worshipped by Muslims is the same
monothic deity that you worship.

Islam will never subjugate the world even if that were the intention
because all religion is in terminal decline. In any case, if such
subjugation were evil  (and I for one don't relish any such  prospect)
then an almighty God would be in a position to prevent it.

> So, that being the case,  should we care if the land is occupied by
> strangers?, should we protest if ungodly beliefs and creeds hold sway in
> the place of Christianity?
>
> Absolutely! - but not for 'the land' - rather for the Christian faith it
> once sheltered.

Christianity itself is older than the BNP It is not an appendage to be
hi-jacked by the BNP along with our national flag  ( a situation that
I would very much like to see corrected) alleged guardianship of our
culture  and bogus patriotism. These people are not Christians
pursuing articles of the faith. Who ever heard such a ridiculous and
preposterous proposition?

They are nothing! They are certainly not an intelligentsia and so can
only appeal to that which is base. They can only  offer exclusion,
bigotry, scapegoating, division and hate. In an ever shrinking world,
that would be a recipe for disaster.

"They came for the Jews etc. "

I don't know whether your declared faith is real and sincerely felt or
simply your usual oakum-pokum but if it is then you've allowed
yourself into very bad company.

As for me I shall not be continuing this discussion along these lines
since they have impinged upon matters that I left behind me many years
ago when I lapsed.

Mel Rowing wrote:
> On Nov 4, 1:24 am, The gods have made us mad 
> wrote:

(Most of Rowing's hypocritical posturing snipped)

> 
> As for me I shall not be continuing this discussion along these lines
> since they have impinged upon matters that I left behind me many years
> ago when I lapsed.<<


I did begin a lengthy reply, refuting your points one by one.

And then I thought, Nah, what waste of time and effort, and deleted it.

The last three words of your reply succinctly summarise the situation 
perfectly adequately - you 'lapsed'

Which, translated from Mel-speak, means "I betrayed my faith as easily 
as I betrayed my country"

Thus, having no principles, no ideals, nothing of truth to cling on to, 
you swirl helplessly around in the urinal that you, and cheap little men 
just like you, inhabit with such maniacal glee.

The bitter irony is, of course, that as things get steadily worse, you, 
or someone you love, stands a very good chance of coming off worst in an 
encounter with some of the criminal immigrants whom you have helped to 
foist on the UK.

If a niece gets gang raped, or a nephew gets stabbed through his lung by 
a gang of 'new Britons' who haven't *really* taken your multicultural 
message of love fully on-board, it will doubtless come as an 
immeasurable consolation to their weeping relatives to know that Uncle 
Mel has a comforting message of tolerance to help heal their broken hearts.

Let's hope it never happens - but if it does, well, no use blubbing 
about it, Mel, you will have worked hard for it, and you will richly 
deserve your reward.

Meanwhile,  do please try and open a window, there's a good chap  - a 
certain unpleasant odour accompanies you on your Usenet travels...

William Black wrote:

>> Er, you were talking about 'previous mass immigrations'  - that is 
>> mass immigrations prior to the last 50/60 years (ie the recent influx).

>> Is this the best you can do?

> It's an example of successful mass immigration.

> So are the Jews

I suppose that holding the purse strings of international finance, 
owning a large part of the media and being disproportionately 
represented in Government is very successful for the Jews, but not such 
a great success for everyone else.

I find it interesting that the policies on equal opportunities and 
representation of ethnic groups reflecting the population don't apply to 
Jews in the cabinet.

William Black wrote:

> But I'm the one who is arguing from strength.

> The authorities,  such as they are,  agree with me.

'Appeal to authority' - a standard logical fallacy.

>>> Straw now flaunts himself as Jewish but he himself didn't know he was 
>>> very slightly Jewish until someone pointed it out to him a few years 
>>> ago,  and now he's 'The Jew Straw'.

>> Which has to do with what, exactly?

> You said Jews don't integrate.

Straw integrates into a class of back-stabbing anti-English political 
elite who oversee the colonisation of this country.

>> Successful for whom?

> The Jews and the country.

You are fifty percent correct.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>>> Er, you were talking about 'previous mass immigrations'  - that is 
>>> mass immigrations prior to the last 50/60 years (ie the recent influx).
> 
>>> Is this the best you can do?
> 
>> It's an example of successful mass immigration.
> 
>> So are the Jews
> 
> I suppose that holding the purse strings of international finance, 
> owning a large part of the media and being disproportionately 
> represented in Government is very successful for the Jews, but not such 
> a great success for everyone else.

And how does 'everyone else' count success?

> I find it interesting that the policies on equal opportunities and 
> representation of ethnic groups reflecting the population don't apply to 
> Jews in the cabinet.

And that is interesting.

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Nov 5, 12:11 am, The gods have made us mad
 wrote:
> Mel Rowing wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 1:24 am, The gods have made us mad 
> > wrote:
>
> (Most of Rowing's hypocritical posturing snipped)

Touché !

> > As for me I shall not be continuing this discussion along these lines
> > since they have impinged upon matters that I left behind me many years
> > ago when I lapsed.<<
>
> I did begin a lengthy reply, refuting your points one by one.

No you didn't!

> And then I thought, Nah, what waste of time and effort, and deleted it.

You realised the impossibility of reconciling the teachings of the
Scriptures with racism.

As I said, and still say, you are a hypocrite!

[ argumentum ad hominem  snipped ]

William Black wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>>> It's an example of successful mass immigration.

>>> So are the Jews

>> I suppose that holding the purse strings of international finance, 
>> owning a large part of the media and being disproportionately 
>> represented in Government is very successful for the Jews, but not 
>> such a great success for everyone else.

> And how does 'everyone else' count success?

I'd suggest that fair and adequate representation would be a factor in 
determining success.

>> I find it interesting that the policies on equal opportunities and 
>> representation of ethnic groups reflecting the population don't apply 
>> to Jews in the cabinet.

> And that is interesting.

Yes, I rather thought so.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> White Spirit wrote:
> 
>>>> It's an example of successful mass immigration.
> 
>>>> So are the Jews
> 
>>> I suppose that holding the purse strings of international finance, 
>>> owning a large part of the media and being disproportionately 
>>> represented in Government is very successful for the Jews, but not 
>>> such a great success for everyone else.
> 
>> And how does 'everyone else' count success?
> 
> I'd suggest that fair and adequate representation would be a factor in 
> determining success.

Which is why the almost total lack of representation of certain ethnic
groups is more than a little worrying.

0.4% of the population is Chinese,  which means there should be 2 or 3
Chinese MPs,  I don't think there's even a candidate...

There's a similar population from Eastern Asia,  again,  not even a 
candidate.  Not a Phillipino,  not a Vietnamese,  not a Malayan.

4% of the population is from South Asia,  which means that there
should be about 24 MPs from that community,  I think there are eight or 
nine despite that community delivering 6% of UK GNP,  50% more than they 
would if they produced the average amount for a community that size.

What's your explanation?

I know what mine is,  it's what the party leaders say it is; 
institutional racism within the political structures of the UK...

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:

>>>>> It's an example of successful mass immigration.

>>>>> So are the Jews

>>>> I suppose that holding the purse strings of international finance, 
>>>> owning a large part of the media and being disproportionately 
>>>> represented in Government is very successful for the Jews, but not 
>>>> such a great success for everyone else.

>>> And how does 'everyone else' count success?

>> I'd suggest that fair and adequate representation would be a factor in 
>> determining success.

> Which is why the almost total lack of representation of certain ethnic
> groups is more than a little worrying.

> 0.4% of the population is Chinese,  which means there should be 2 or 3
> Chinese MPs,  I don't think there's even a candidate...

> There's a similar population from Eastern Asia,  again,  not even a 
> candidate.  Not a Phillipino,  not a Vietnamese,  not a Malayan.

> 4% of the population is from South Asia,  which means that there
> should be about 24 MPs from that community,  I think there are eight or 
> nine despite that community delivering 6% of UK GNP,  50% more than they 
> would if they produced the average amount for a community that size.

> What's your explanation?

> I know what mine is,  it's what the party leaders say it is; 
> institutional racism within the political structures of the UK...

In that case, the cabinet is institutionally racist in favour of Jews.

Do you see how it works?

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>>>>>> It's an example of successful mass immigration.
> 
>>>>>> So are the Jews
> 
>>>>> I suppose that holding the purse strings of international finance, 
>>>>> owning a large part of the media and being disproportionately 
>>>>> represented in Government is very successful for the Jews, but not 
>>>>> such a great success for everyone else.
> 
>>>> And how does 'everyone else' count success?
> 
>>> I'd suggest that fair and adequate representation would be a factor 
>>> in determining success.
> 
>> Which is why the almost total lack of representation of certain ethnic
>> groups is more than a little worrying.
> 
>> 0.4% of the population is Chinese,  which means there should be 2 or 3
>> Chinese MPs,  I don't think there's even a candidate...
> 
>> There's a similar population from Eastern Asia,  again,  not even a 
>> candidate.  Not a Phillipino,  not a Vietnamese,  not a Malayan.
> 
>> 4% of the population is from South Asia,  which means that there
>> should be about 24 MPs from that community,  I think there are eight 
>> or nine despite that community delivering 6% of UK GNP,  50% more than 
>> they would if they produced the average amount for a community that size.
> 
>> What's your explanation?
> 
>> I know what mine is,  it's what the party leaders say it is; 
>> institutional racism within the political structures of the UK...
> 
> In that case, the cabinet is institutionally racist in favour of Jews.
> 
> Do you see how it works?

I don't think you can be racist in a positive way.

But,  as I said earlier,  it's interesting.

As the cabinet is selected by a Scottish Presbyterian ex academic it's 
obviously not Jews self selecting themselves.

What do you think is going on?

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.