AZ Nomad wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:24:16 -0400, nym  wrote:
> 
>> He can't create a stone too heavy for him to lift,

Prove it!    B^]

Where is your evidence??

Why do atheists always inflict their UNPROVEN beliefs
on everyone?

 > brain damage.


Yes, that would explain it, certainly they cannot match the
fabulous intellectual output of all the theist scientists,
mathematicians, logicians, philosophers, composers, artists etc etc:

The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
are aware of it

-  Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher

René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in 
the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system 
used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important 
work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy 
partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas 
with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.


I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world

-  Louis Pasteur 1822-95

As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.

-  Sir Isaac Newton  1642-1727

The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.

-  Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
      "My view of the World" 1918

There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
and harmony.

-  Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
      "Where is Science Going" 1918

      "Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
          -Sir Arthur Eddington

Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
materialism.

- 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911

Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)

George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)

Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)

John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)

George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)

Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)

Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)

Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)

Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)

Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)

Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)

Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)

Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.

Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)

Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)

Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)

Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)

Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)

Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)

Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)



  Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
  understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
  superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
  comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)

  Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
  Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
  can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
  billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
  and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
  contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
  the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
  of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
  that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
  extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
  entirely unique." (25)


  "The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
  little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
  ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
  someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
  does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
  child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
  mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
  suspects." - Albert Einstein

  "The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
  precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
  generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
  Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
  I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28

  "The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
  knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,
  and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
  even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
  chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
  unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
  you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
  (noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
  University)


Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;

Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based 
on experimentation and inductive reasoning.

Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world view.

William Turner the "father of English botany"

John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms, 
Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.

Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic solids 
was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous 
scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was 
based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous 
astronomical observations,

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
necessary demonstrations.

    - Galileo Galilei 1615.

..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
is lame, religion without science is blind.

- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954

The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven

- Galileo Galilei 1564-1642

Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem 
(math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).

Nicolas Steno  a pioneer in both anatomy and geology

Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of 
science could improve glorification of God.

John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis, 
introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped 
develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.


Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating 
machine

Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and 
mathematicians in history.

Thomas Bayes  Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society

Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.

Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.

Leonhard Euler  mathematician and physicist,

Maria Gaetana Agnesi  mathematician

Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
Michael Faraday

Charles Babbage

Gregor Mendel  "father of modern genetics"

Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.

Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist 
and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax, 
chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the 
development of the first vaccines.


Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal Medal,

Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials

Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry

John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes, 
Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.

Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics

Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne 
model and had a Moon crater named for him.  Gold Medal of the Royal 
Astronomical Society,

Arthur Compton  Nobel Prize in Physics.

Georges Lemaître  proposed the Big Bang theory.    Roman Catholic priest

Sir Robert Boyd  pioneer in British space science

  von Weizsäcker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizsäcker formula.

Charles Hard Townes 1964  Nobel Prize in Physics 1966  wrote The 
Convergence of Science and Religion.

Freeman Dyson  the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis 
Thomas Prize.

John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate 
Change  gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.

Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and 
Noncommutative geometry.

Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize

Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute.

John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic principle.

Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of 
Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.

Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.

Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for 
evolutionary dynamics.


And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists



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fasgnadh wrote:

> AZ Nomad wrote:
> > On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:24:16 -0400, nym  wrote:
> >
> >> He can't create a stone too heavy for him to lift,
>
> Prove it!    B^]
>
> Where is your evidence??
>
> Why do atheists always inflict their UNPROVEN beliefs
> on everyone?
>
>  > brain damage.
>
> Yes, that would explain it, certainly they cannot match the
> fabulous intellectual output of all the theist scientists,
> mathematicians, logicians, philosophers, composers, artists etc etc:







                                    Man you are really sick











>
>
> The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
> are aware of it
>
> -  Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher
>
> René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
> the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
> used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
> work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
> partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas> with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.
>
> I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world> -  Louis Pasteur 1822-95
>
> As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner> by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.
>
> -  Sir Isaac Newton  1642-1727
>
> The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
> deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
> an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is> a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
> which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.
>
> -  Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
>       "My view of the World" 1918
>
> There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
> Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
> religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
> all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance> and harmony.
>
> -  Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
>       "Where is Science Going" 1918
>
>       "Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
>           -Sir Arthur Eddington
>
> Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
> soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
> possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
> wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
> superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
> he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
> materialism.
>
> - 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911
>
> Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
> the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
> well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
> worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
> facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
> beyond question." (2)
>
> George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
> the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
> complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
> the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
> status of the word." (3)
>
> Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
> quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
> some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
> explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
> instead of nothing." (6)
>
> John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
> a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
> Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
> never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
> indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)
>
> George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
> thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
> Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
> intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
> of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
> crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)
>
> Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
> Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
> state of scientific theory." (9)
>
> Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
> event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
> delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
> permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
> 'supernatural') plan." (10)
>
> Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
> has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)
>
> Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
> of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
> tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
> sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)
>
> Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
> our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
> divine." (13)
>
> Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
> lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
> dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
> conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
> is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
> centuries." (14)
>
> Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
> take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
> the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
> ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
> God." (15)
>
> Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
> career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
> atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
> writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
> Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
> straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
> them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
> logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
> has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
> Physics Of Christianity.
>
> Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
> described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
> it."(17)
>
> Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
> existence of God Æ the design argument of Paley Æ updated and
> refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
> evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
> requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
> Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
> teleological or design argument." (18)
>
> Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
> in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
> our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)
>
> Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
> question but that a God will always be needed." (20)
>
> Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
> however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
> conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)
>
> Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
> Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
> marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
> The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
> in the universe and in my own life." (22)
>
> Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
> director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
> University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
> in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
> myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
> corner of God's plan." (23)
>
>   Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
>   understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
>   superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to>   comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)>   Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
>   Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
>   can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
>   billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
>   and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
>   contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that>   the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
>   of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
>   that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
>   extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
>   entirely unique." (25)
>
>   "The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
>   little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
>   ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
>   someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
>   does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
>   child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
>   mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
>   suspects." - Albert Einstein
>
>   "The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
>   precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
>   generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
>   Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
>   I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28
>
>   "The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
>   knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,>   and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
>   even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
>   chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
>   unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
>   you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
>   (noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
>   University)
>
> Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
> ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;
>
> Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
> on experimentation and inductive reasoning.
>
> Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world view.
>
> William Turner the "father of English botany"
>
> John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
> Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.
>
> Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic solids
> was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous
> scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was
> based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous
> astronomical observations,
>
> I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
> with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
> and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
> them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
> matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or> necessary demonstrations.
>
>     - Galileo Galilei 1615.
>
> ..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
> the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
> however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
> is lame, religion without science is blind.
>
> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>
> The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
> in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven
>
> - Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
>
> Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem
> (math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).
>
> Nicolas Steno  a pioneer in both anatomy and geology
>
> Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of
> science could improve glorification of God.
>
> John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis,
> introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped
> develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.
>
> Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating
> machine
>
> Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and
> mathematicians in history.
>
> Thomas Bayes  Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society
>
> Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.
>
> Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.
>
> Leonhard Euler  mathematician and physicist,
>
> Maria Gaetana Agnesi  mathematician
>
> Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
> Michael Faraday
>
> Charles Babbage
>
> Gregor Mendel  "father of modern genetics"
>
> Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.
>
> Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist
> and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax,
> chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the
> development of the first vaccines.
>
> Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal Medal,
>
> Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials
>
> Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry
>
> John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes,
> Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.
>
> Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics
>
> Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne> model and had a Moon crater named for him.  Gold Medal of the Royal
> Astronomical Society,
>
> Arthur Compton  Nobel Prize in Physics.
>
> Georges Lemaítre  proposed the Big Bang theory.    Roman Catholic priest
>
> Sir Robert Boyd  pioneer in British space science
>
>   von Weizsäcker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizsäcker formula.
>
> Charles Hard Townes 1964  Nobel Prize in Physics 1966  wrote The
> Convergence of Science and Religion.
>
> Freeman Dyson  the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis
> Thomas Prize.
>
> John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
> Change  gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.
>
> Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and
> Noncommutative geometry.
>
> Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize
>
> Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute.
>
> John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic principle.
>
> Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of
> Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.
>
> Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.
>
> Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for
> evolutionary dynamics.
>
> And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
>
> --
>
> alt.atheism FAQ:
>
> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
>
>   "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>       -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
>   "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>       - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
>   "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>       - Lenin
>
>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
>    http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

bob young doesn't have an answer, apparently:
>  
> 
> fasgnadh wrote:
> 
>> AZ Nomad wrote:
>> > On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:24:16 -0400, nym  wrote:
>> >
>> >> He can't create a stone too heavy for him to lift,
>>
>> Prove it!    B^]
>>
>> Where is your evidence??
>>

So the atheists don't have any proof?   Just as I thought!   B^]

>> Why do atheists always inflict their UNPROVEN beliefs
>> on everyone?
>>
>>> brain damage.
>>
>> Yes, that would explain it, certainly they cannot match the
>> fabulous intellectual output of all the theist scientists,
>> mathematicians, logicians, philosophers, composers, artists etc etc:
>
>   Man you are really sick

Look, it's clearly a waste of time asking any atheist about
anything, you are all obviously clueless, but what is 'sick'
about acknowledging the theist geniuses of science..  are
you just Jealous becasue you are a complete non-entity?     B^]

>>
>> The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
>> are aware of it
>>
>> -  Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher
>>
>> Renι Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
>> the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
>> used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
>> work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
>> partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas
>> with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.
>>
>> I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world
>>
>> -  Louis Pasteur 1822-95
>>
>> As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
>> by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.
>>
>> -  Sir Isaac Newton  1642-1727
>>
>> The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
>> deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
>> an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
>> a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
>> which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.
>>
>> -  Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
>>       "My view of the World" 1918
>>
>> There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
>> Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
>> religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
>> all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
>> and harmony.
>>
>> -  Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
>>       "Where is Science Going" 1918
>>
>>       "Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
>>           -Sir Arthur Eddington
>>
>> Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
>> soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
>> possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
>> wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
>> superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
>> he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
>> materialism.
>>
>> - 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911
>>
>> Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
>> the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
>> well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
>> worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
>> facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
>> beyond question." (2)
>>
>> George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
>> the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
>> complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
>> the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
>> status of the word." (3)
>>
>> Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
>> quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
>> some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
>> explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
>> instead of nothing." (6)
>>
>> John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
>> a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
>> Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
>> never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
>> indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)
>>
>> George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
>> thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
>> Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
>> intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
>> of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
>> crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)
>>
>> Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
>> Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
>> state of scientific theory." (9)
>>
>> Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
>> event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
>> delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
>> permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
>> 'supernatural') plan." (10)
>>
>> Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
>> has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)
>>
>> Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
>> of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
>> tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
>> sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)
>>
>> Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
>> our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
>> divine." (13)
>>
>> Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
>> lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
>> dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
>> conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
>> is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
>> centuries." (14)
>>
>> Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall� be able to
>> take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
>> the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
>> ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
>> God." (15)
>>
>> Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
>> career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
>> atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
>> writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
>> Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
>> straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
>> them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
>> logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
>> has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
>> Physics Of Christianity.
>>
>> Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
>> described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
>> it."(17)
>>
>> Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
>> existence of God · the design argument of Paley · updated and
>> refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
>> evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
>> requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
>> Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
>> teleological or design argument." (18)
>>
>> Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
>> in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
>> our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)
>>
>> Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
>> question but that a God will always be needed." (20)
>>
>> Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
>> however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
>> conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)
>>
>> Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
>> Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
>> marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
>> The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
>> in the universe and in my own life." (22)
>>
>> Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
>> director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
>> University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
>> in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
>> myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
>> corner of God's plan." (23)
>>
>>   Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
>>   understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
>>   superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
>>   comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)
>>
>>   Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
>>   Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
>>   can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
>>   billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
>>   and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
>>   contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
>>   the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
>>   of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
>>   that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
>>   extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
>>   entirely unique." (25)
>>
>>   "The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
>>   little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
>>   ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
>>   someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
>>   does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
>>   child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
>>   mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
>>   suspects." - Albert Einstein
>>
>>   "The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
>>   precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
>>   generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
>>   Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
>>   I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28
>>
>>   "The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
>>   knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,
>>   and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
>>   even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
>>   chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
>>   unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
>>   you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
>>   (noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
>>   University)
>>
>> Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
>> ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;
>>
>> Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
>> on experimentation and inductive reasoning.
>>
>> Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world 
>> view.
>>
>> William Turner the "father of English botany"
>>
>> John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
>> Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.
>>
>> Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic solids
>> was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous
>> scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was
>> based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous
>> astronomical observations,
>>
>> I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
>> with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
>> and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
>> them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
>> matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
>> necessary demonstrations.
>>
>>     - Galileo Galilei 1615.
>>
>> ..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
>> the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
>> however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
>> is lame, religion without science is blind.
>>
>> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>>
>> The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
>> in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven
>>
>> - Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
>>
>> Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem
>> (math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).
>>
>> Nicolas Steno  a pioneer in both anatomy and geology
>>
>> Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of
>> science could improve glorification of God.
>>
>> John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis,
>> introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped
>> develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.
>>
>> Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating
>> machine
>>
>> Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and
>> mathematicians in history.
>>
>> Thomas Bayes  Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society
>>
>> Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.
>>
>> Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.
>>
>> Leonhard Euler  mathematician and physicist,
>>
>> Maria Gaetana Agnesi  mathematician
>>
>> Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
>> Michael Faraday
>>
>> Charles Babbage
>>
>> Gregor Mendel  "father of modern genetics"
>>
>> Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.
>>
>> Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist
>> and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax,
>> chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the
>> development of the first vaccines.
>>
>> Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal 
>> Medal,
>>
>> Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials
>>
>> Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry
>>
>> John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes,
>> Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.
>>
>> Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics
>>
>> Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne
>> model and had a Moon crater named for him.  Gold Medal of the Royal
>> Astronomical Society,
>>
>> Arthur Compton  Nobel Prize in Physics.
>>
>> Georges Lemaξtre  proposed the Big Bang theory.    Roman Catholic priest
>>
>> Sir Robert Boyd  pioneer in British space science
>>
>>   von Weizsδcker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizsδcker formula.
>>
>> Charles Hard Townes 1964  Nobel Prize in Physics 1966  wrote The
>> Convergence of Science and Religion.
>>
>> Freeman Dyson  the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis
>> Thomas Prize.
>>
>> John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
>> Change  gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.
>>
>> Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and
>> Noncommutative geometry.
>>
>> Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize
>>
>> Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research 
>> Institute.
>>
>> John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic 
>> principle.
>>
>> Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of
>> Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.
>>
>> Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.
>>
>> Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for
>> evolutionary dynamics.
>>
>> And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> alt.atheism FAQ:
>>
>> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>>
>> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source 
>> <http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source> 
>>
>>
>>   "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>>       -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>>
>>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>>
>>   "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>>       - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>
>>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>>
>>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>>
>>   "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>>       - Lenin
>>
>>    http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>>    http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>>  
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
>>


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