erikc wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:20:56 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana
>  wrote:
> 
>> I have searched for two definitions of CIVILIZATION... One seems a
>> little bit funny and sounds like the Law of the Jungle, and the other
>> sounds far more civilized...
>>
>> Civilization is an outcome of strong culture and religion of the
>> society!!!
>>
>> Strong cultural and religious growth play important role for a strong
>> society, gives strong identity to one society which initiates other
>> small societies to join or bigger population of same society who
>> follow their ideology. Thus a large and strong and large society is
>> established.  So Cultural and religious growth of the society in one
>> era is civilization.
>> ...
>>
>> At present can say, going through western civilization which has
>> strongest culture (from intelligence to way of life) strongest
>> religion (Christianity).
>>
>> http://www.sadashivan.com/freephotos4ursocialstudy/id27.html
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Civilization is social order promoting cultural creation. Four
>> elements constitute it: economic provision, political organization,
>> moral traditions and the pursuit of knowledge and the arts. It begins
>> where chaos and insecurity end. For when fear is overcome, curiosity
>> and constructiveness are free, and man passes by natural impulse
>> towards the understanding and embellishment of life.
>>
>> Physical and biological conditions are only prerequisites to
>> civilization; they do not constitute or generate it. Subtle
>> psychological factors must enter into play. There must be political
>> order, even if it be so near to chaos as in Renaissance Florence or
>> Rome; men must feel, by and large, that they need not look for death
>> or taxes at every turn. There must be some unity of language to serve
>> as medium of mental exchange. Through church, or family, or school, or
>> otherwise, there must be a unifying moral code, some rules of the game
>> of life acknowledged even by those who violate them, and giving to
>> conduct some order and regularity, some direction and stimulus.
>> Perhaps there must also be some unity of basic belief, some faith --
>> supernatural or utopian -- that lifts morality from calculation to
>> devotion, and gives life nobility and significance despite our mortal
>> brevity. And finally there must be education -- some technique,
>> however primitive, for the transmission of culture. Whether through
>> imitation, initiation or instruction, whether through father or
>> mother, teacher or priest, the lore and heritage of the tribe -- its
>> language and knowledge, its morals and manners, its technology and
>> arts -- must be handed down to the young, as the very instrument
>> through which they are turned from animals into men.
>>
>> http://www.willdurant.com/civilization.htm
>>
>> I let you choose which one is closer to HUMANISM OR CIVILIZATION.
>>
> 
> I like Durant's definition.

Both acknowledge the historical role of religion in teaching and
transmitting moral and social and spiritual values, forms
of initiation, or instruction in the lore and heritage...

"for the transmission of culture. ...- its
language and knowledge, its morals and manners,
its technology and arts -- must be handed down to the young,
  as the very instrument through which they are turned from
animals into men."

   ..all things which mankind has relied upon religion to do throughout
    history..  and which every atheist regime FAILED utterly to do...

   Instead the atheist regimes wantonly DESTROYED traditional wisdom
   heedlessly..  one thinks of the crowning image of Mao's Cultural
   Devolution being arrogant young Red Guard Thugs smashing cultural
   artefacts and beating academics, scholars and priests...

    there is a direct link to the BAAWA thugs...

> Erikc (alt.atheist #002) 
> BAAWA Knight (retired)   

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