http://www.friendsofelvaston.co.uk/

What a dreadful betray of British heritage. All for a game of mindless
golf!

On Nov 2, 3:08 am, jake  wrote:

> http://www.friendsofelvaston.co.uk/
>
> What a dreadful betray of British heritage. All for a game of mindless
> golf!

The very first line of the site above:

" Sadly, Elvaston Castle and Country Park have been allowed to become
run-down and neglected over recent years and Derbyshire County Council
has announced that the authority can no longer finance the annual
maintenance costs of the Country Park or the restoration costs of the
grade 2* listed House and are seeking investment from the private
sector. "

So what is to be done ?

Raise Council tax? Divert money from other projects ?

Why isn't the castle being put to its original and intended use?

The answer of course is that the original land use became obsolete
years ago. The original owners could no longer afford the maintenance
and conservation costs of a house built for a different age and a
different society. Therefore is the house was not to be reduced to
rubble then an alternative use had to be found. No the same problems
that forced the hand of the previous owners have come to bear on the
new owners or guardians the council.

The solution remains the same an alternative and more profitable use
has to be found one that ensures that visitors to the property spend
real money. A round of golf or a hotel room carries a much more
profit  than a cup of coffee or an ice cream. Therefore look for a
solution like this and the building will remain open all be it to a
section of the public.

Carry on as it were, it will become a bigger and bigger burden on the
Council budget and even then, ultimately, it will end up being boarded
up in the interests of public safety befoe demolition.

Those are the real choices.

Mel Rowing wrote:

> The very first line of the site above:

> " Sadly, Elvaston Castle and Country Park have been allowed to become
> run-down and neglected over recent years and Derbyshire County Council
> has announced that the authority can no longer finance the annual
> maintenance costs of the Country Park or the restoration costs of the
> grade 2* listed House and are seeking investment from the private
> sector. "

> So what is to be done ?

> Raise Council tax? Divert money from other projects ?

I'm sure some Asian day care centres and Negro graffiti projects can do 
without a few tens of thousands in sterling.

White Spirit wrote:
> Mel Rowing wrote:
> 
>> The very first line of the site above:
> 
>> " Sadly, Elvaston Castle and Country Park have been allowed to become
>> run-down and neglected over recent years and Derbyshire County Council
>> has announced that the authority can no longer finance the annual
>> maintenance costs of the Country Park or the restoration costs of the
>> grade 2* listed House and are seeking investment from the private
>> sector. "
> 
>> So what is to be done ?
> 
>> Raise Council tax? Divert money from other projects ?
> 
> I'm sure some Asian day care centres and Negro graffiti projects can do 
> without a few tens of thousands in sterling.
> 

Both projects you mention help more people than putting money into an 
ageing structure with no reasonable public utility.

I'm sure if you could think of a decent use for the building they'd give 
you some money.

But you need a 'reasonable purpose' for the structure.

And there just isn't one...



-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> Mel Rowing wrote:

>>> The very first line of the site above:

>>> " Sadly, Elvaston Castle and Country Park have been allowed to become
>>> run-down and neglected over recent years and Derbyshire County Council
>>> has announced that the authority can no longer finance the annual
>>> maintenance costs of the Country Park or the restoration costs of the
>>> grade 2* listed House and are seeking investment from the private
>>> sector. "

>>> So what is to be done ?

>>> Raise Council tax? Divert money from other projects ?

>> I'm sure some Asian day care centres and Negro graffiti projects can 
>> do without a few tens of thousands in sterling.

> Both projects you mention help more people than putting money into an 
> ageing structure with no reasonable public utility.

> I'm sure if you could think of a decent use for the building they'd give 
> you some money.

> But you need a 'reasonable purpose' for the structure.

> And there just isn't one...

Send the Asians and Negroes back and then there'll be more money to 
preserve our culture and heritage rather than spending it on ungrateful 
ingangers who are being encouraged to supplant us.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> White Spirit wrote:
> 
>>> Mel Rowing wrote:
> 
>>>> The very first line of the site above:
> 
>>>> " Sadly, Elvaston Castle and Country Park have been allowed to become
>>>> run-down and neglected over recent years and Derbyshire County Council
>>>> has announced that the authority can no longer finance the annual
>>>> maintenance costs of the Country Park or the restoration costs of the
>>>> grade 2* listed House and are seeking investment from the private
>>>> sector. "
> 
>>>> So what is to be done ?
> 
>>>> Raise Council tax? Divert money from other projects ?
> 
>>> I'm sure some Asian day care centres and Negro graffiti projects can 
>>> do without a few tens of thousands in sterling.
> 
>> Both projects you mention help more people than putting money into an 
>> ageing structure with no reasonable public utility.
> 
>> I'm sure if you could think of a decent use for the building they'd 
>> give you some money.
> 
>> But you need a 'reasonable purpose' for the structure.
> 
>> And there just isn't one...
> 
> Send the Asians and Negroes back and then there'll be more money to 
> preserve our culture and heritage rather than spending it on ungrateful 
> ingangers who are being encouraged to supplant us.
> 

Immigrants pay taxes just like everyone else here.

You still haven't found a purpose for the structure.

The days of people paying for a building just to 'look nice' are gone.

The local council has to find a use or sell to to someone who will.

-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

William Black wrote:
> White Spirit wrote:
>> Mel Rowing wrote:
>>
>>> The very first line of the site above:
>>
>>> " Sadly, Elvaston Castle and Country Park have been allowed to become
>>> run-down and neglected over recent years and Derbyshire County Council
>>> has announced that the authority can no longer finance the annual
>>> maintenance costs of the Country Park or the restoration costs of the
>>> grade 2* listed House and are seeking investment from the private
>>> sector. "
>>
>>> So what is to be done ?
>>
>>> Raise Council tax? Divert money from other projects ?
>>
>> I'm sure some Asian day care centres and Negro graffiti projects can 
>> do without a few tens of thousands in sterling.
>>
> 
> Both projects you mention help more people than putting money into an 
> ageing structure with no reasonable public utility.
> 
> I'm sure if you could think of a decent use for the building they'd give 
> you some money.
> 
> But you need a 'reasonable purpose' for the structure.
> 
> And there just isn't one...



Anyone with an ounce of imagination could think of one, though.

Personally, I'd like to see the deportation industry given a huge boost 
in the near future, which would require more land and premises for 
processing centres, transit facilities, you name it.

It seems quite fitting that the stately homes of England should be 
employed to rescue England in her hour of need.

One can anticipate with relish a rejuvenated Elvaston Castle, once again 
humming with activity as busy clerks hurry to and fro stamping 
deportation orders, and property confiscation notices - while, set 
within the lawned grounds, barbed wire compounds are thronged with those 
awaiting transport to their new life far away from Britain.

You probably wouldn't be at Elvastion Relocation Centre, of course, 
probably in a similar facility established a bit further north - but 
wherever you might be, you can be assured that I'll make the effort to 
turn up and wish you a safe journey...

Hopefully, we can part as friends - but part we must!

William Black wrote:

> Immigrants pay taxes just like everyone else here.

The kind of people who benefit from Asian day care centres and Negro 
graffiti projects do not.

> You still haven't found a purpose for the structure.

How about a White History Museum?

On 2 Nov, 03:08, jake  wrote:
> http://www.friendsofelvaston.co.uk/
>
> What a dreadful betray of British heritage. All for a game of mindless
> golf!

You should see what happening up in NE Scotland in an area of Specific
Scientific Interest. None other than Trump the Chump meglomaniac is
building a massive golf course and resort. Not for the riff-raff you
understand.

McKevvy

The gods have made us mad wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> White Spirit wrote:
>>> Mel Rowing wrote:
>>>
>>>> The very first line of the site above:
>>>
>>>> " Sadly, Elvaston Castle and Country Park have been allowed to become
>>>> run-down and neglected over recent years and Derbyshire County Council
>>>> has announced that the authority can no longer finance the annual
>>>> maintenance costs of the Country Park or the restoration costs of the
>>>> grade 2* listed House and are seeking investment from the private
>>>> sector. "
>>>
>>>> So what is to be done ?
>>>
>>>> Raise Council tax? Divert money from other projects ?
>>>
>>> I'm sure some Asian day care centres and Negro graffiti projects can 
>>> do without a few tens of thousands in sterling.
>>>
>>
>> Both projects you mention help more people than putting money into an 
>> ageing structure with no reasonable public utility.
>>
>> I'm sure if you could think of a decent use for the building they'd 
>> give you some money.
>>
>> But you need a 'reasonable purpose' for the structure.
>>
>> And there just isn't one...
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone with an ounce of imagination could think of one, though.
> 

<Discounting your obviously lunatic that idea I've deleted.>

Off you go then...

The lottery heritage fund form isn't that hard to do and they'll give 
you a couple of million of you've got a decent idea.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> Immigrants pay taxes just like everyone else here.
> 
> The kind of people who benefit from Asian day care centres and Negro 
> graffiti projects do not.

I've never actually seen an 'Asian day centre' or a 'Negro graphiti 
project' but I'm sure such places have web sites.  Do please point me at 
one...

> 
>> You still haven't found a purpose for the structure.
> 
> How about a White History Museum?
> 

You idea excludes part of the community for no good reason.

Try and be supportive rather than exclusive.

How about 'A Museum of Local Trades History',  especially including now 
defunct local industry and trades'.

It meets your requirements without excluding people.

It would even give employment to that part of the community you feel is 
being deprived.

Except that you want to exclude people.

The idea of inclusive public works is one you refuse to consider.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.

On Nov 2, 12:58 pm, McKevvy  wrote:
> On 2 Nov, 03:08, jake  wrote:
>
> >http://www.friendsofelvaston.co.uk/
>
> > What a dreadful betray of British heritage. All for a game of mindless
> > golf!
>
> You should see what happening up in NE Scotland in an area of Specific
> Scientific Interest. None other than Trump the Chump meglomaniac is
> building a massive golf course and resort. Not for the riff-raff you
> understand.

I would presume that the arrangements that apply to SSSI in Scotland
are the same or similar to those in England.

Land given SSSI status does not become public land and the public do
not acquire any rights as a consequence and neither does the land
owner lose any.

The SSSI rather places a burden on planning authorities to the effect
that they may not permit development on any land whether part of or
containing an SSSI or not that would damage an existing SSSI site.
That in turn does not mean that the land cannot be developed. It does
mean that as part of the planning proposal,  provision for
conservation of the site must be made. This might mean no more than
sectioning off the site in question or it may mean the movement of
flora and fauna ot an alternative location by competent persons.

Whatever, form the conservation takes there must be provision for it.

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> 
>> Immigrants pay taxes just like everyone else here.
> 
> The kind of people who benefit from Asian day care centres and Negro 
> graffiti projects do not.
> 
>> You still haven't found a purpose for the structure.
> 
> How about a White History Museum?<<


Hmmm....surely, that would be just *another* museum - since there is no 
'black history' to speak of? - or, if there is, I've yet to hear about it.

I rather suspect that the entire A-Level Black History syllabus could be 
contained on half of one A4 page.

Which makes one wonder why it's not more popular in our schools ;)

William Black wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> William Black wrote:

>>> Immigrants pay taxes just like everyone else here.

>> The kind of people who benefit from Asian day care centres and Negro 
>> graffiti projects do not.

> I've never actually seen an 'Asian day centre' or a 'Negro graphiti 
> project' but I'm sure such places have web sites.  Do please point me at 
> one...

http://www.multikulti.org.uk/agencies/bengali/london/17589/index.html

I walk past it on the way to work.

Here are some Graffiti projects:

http://www.agcc.co.uk/graffiti-project-is-off-the-wall/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southwest/sites/inpictures/pages/hideout.shtml

Ironically, they (deliberately) chose a token white person on the above 
link.

>>> You still haven't found a purpose for the structure.

>> How about a White History Museum?

> You idea excludes part of the community for no good reason.

Well, so do Black History Museums and Jewish History Museums so why 
shouldn't we have our own?

> Try and be supportive rather than exclusive.

Why?  I support their permanent exclusion.

> How about 'A Museum of Local Trades History',  especially including now 
> defunct local industry and trades'.

> It meets your requirements without excluding people.

> It would even give employment to that part of the community you feel is 
> being deprived.

> Except that you want to exclude people.

Only the people who don't belong here.

> The idea of inclusive public works is one you refuse to consider.

You can say the same of workshops set up for Blacks and Asians.  The 
fact that they are deliberately exclusive is something that you refuse 
to consider.

The gods have made us mad wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> How about a White History Museum?<<

> Hmmm....surely, that would be just *another* museum - since there is no 
> 'black history' to speak of? - or, if there is, I've yet to hear about it.

Didn't you hear?  A black person invented the light bulb, the vacuum 
cleaner, the telephone, the ancient pyramids of Egypt and myriad 
inventions that are wrongly attributed to Caucasians.  It's all part of 
an elaborate conspiracy to keep the blacks down ;)

> I rather suspect that the entire A-Level Black History syllabus could be 
> contained on half of one A4 page.

> Which makes one wonder why it's not more popular in our schools ;)

Heheh.  One would have thought that the oral traditions that are still 
active in the dark continent could be put to good use in that regard. 
Unfortunately, they have established some entirely new oral traditions 
after becoming acquainted with Western civilisation ;)

William Black wrote:
> The gods have made us mad wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> White Spirit wrote:
>>>> Mel Rowing wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The very first line of the site above:
>>>>
>>>>> " Sadly, Elvaston Castle and Country Park have been allowed to become
>>>>> run-down and neglected over recent years and Derbyshire County Council
>>>>> has announced that the authority can no longer finance the annual
>>>>> maintenance costs of the Country Park or the restoration costs of the
>>>>> grade 2* listed House and are seeking investment from the private
>>>>> sector. "
>>>>
>>>>> So what is to be done ?
>>>>
>>>>> Raise Council tax? Divert money from other projects ?
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure some Asian day care centres and Negro graffiti projects can 
>>>> do without a few tens of thousands in sterling.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Both projects you mention help more people than putting money into an 
>>> ageing structure with no reasonable public utility.
>>>
>>> I'm sure if you could think of a decent use for the building they'd 
>>> give you some money.
>>>
>>> But you need a 'reasonable purpose' for the structure.
>>>
>>> And there just isn't one...
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone with an ounce of imagination could think of one, though.
>>
> 
> <Discounting your obviously lunatic that idea I've deleted.>
> 
> Off you go then...
> 
> The lottery heritage fund form isn't that hard to do and they'll give 
> you a couple of million of you've got a decent idea.



Ah, well, if it's Lottery funding that we're talking about, that's a 
very different kettle of fish.

That would require Elvaston Castle being transformed into a retreat for 
bi-sexual one-armed Hindi transvestite drummers with bi-polar disorder.

Or something similar.

The main thing to remember when completing a Lottery grant application 
is, never enter the words, 'White' or 'Christian' -  those forms go 
straight into the bin...

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:01:28 +0000, The gods have made us mad
 wrote:

>The main thing to remember when completing a Lottery grant application 
>is, never enter the words, 'White' or 'Christian' -  those forms go 
>straight into the bin...
>
>

It's so very easy to  wipe out hundreds of years of British history,
culture heritage and so on - and once gone they are gone forever. It's
Black and his sort who are more that happy to come up any old cra*
reasons why they should go. They should look up the word treachery. We
can but hope one day they will be made to understand what that really
means. 

Elvaston is mainly enjoyed by white people (not exclusively so by any
means) and generations of kids have played there and escaped from city
life to a bit of reasonable seclusion, peace and quiet.  They will
learn what a tree looks like and see a lawn or two - and what a
beautiful building is (even though is was originally for a privileged
few). To Black and his ilk , that's a great reason to destroy it.
Elvaston is far from being the only such building in the UK to be the
victim of this pillage of course.

 Some clown earlier said "so what's do be done - divert money from
other project". YES of course - did you manage to work that out all by
yourself!  Have you see the anti-white projects we Britsish waste on
these dreadful etho-integration junk!  Or I s uppose you would far
sooner see it spent on mansions abroad for the "investors" and
"developers" - because that's who it will "be GIVEN" to. Just like
Labour gave OUR money to the Banks. And YOUR sort at the ones who
voted for them so they could do such evil.

jake wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:01:28 +0000, The gods have made us mad
>  wrote:
> 
>> The main thing to remember when completing a Lottery grant application 
>> is, never enter the words, 'White' or 'Christian' -  those forms go 
>> straight into the bin...
>>
>>
> 
> It's so very easy to  wipe out hundreds of years of British history,
> culture heritage and so on - and once gone they are gone forever. It's
> Black and his sort who are more that happy to come up any old cra*
> reasons why they should go. They should look up the word treachery. We
> can but hope one day they will be made to understand what that really
> means. 

As someone who spends his weekends recreating parts of English history, 
I feel you really are a complete twat.

> 
> Elvaston is mainly enjoyed by white people (not exclusively so by any
> means) and generations of kids have played there and escaped from city
> life to a bit of reasonable seclusion, peace and quiet.  They will
> learn what a tree looks like and see a lawn or two - and what a
> beautiful building is (even though is was originally for a privileged
> few). To Black and his ilk , that's a great reason to destroy it.
> Elvaston is far from being the only such building in the UK to be the
> victim of this pillage of course.

So what would you do with the building?

I know that if I lived close enough to do anything and I thought it was 
worth saving then I'd be out trying to get something organised.


--

William Black

On Nov 2, 4:38 pm, jake  wrote:

> It's so very easy to  wipe out hundreds of years of British history,
> culture heritage and so on - and once gone they are gone forever. It's
> Black and his sort who are more that happy to come up any old cra*
> reasons why they should go. They should look up the word treachery. We
> can but hope one day they will be made to understand what that really
> means.

I would be interested to know what exactly you do at a personal level
to preserve Britain's  architectural heritage ?

It's very easy to make a moan on the internet. It's quite a different
matter to dip your hand into your pocket  or to freely give of your
time towards this end.

Are you, for instance, a member of the National Trust or English
Heritage ? Perhaps from time to time you prefer visit one of these
properties leaving a few pounds at the ticket kiosk as you go in?
Maybe you are a volunteer and give a few hours a year serving as a
guide or helping with the gardens? NT and EH are totally dependent
upon volunteers without whom dozens of properties up and down the
country could not open their doors to the public throughout every
summer.

Or are you simply content to talk the talk. It's all down to the
government/council to provide this very valuable conservation work. "I
mek my contribution in my Council Tax downe ah?"

Or are you simply talking the talk?

> Elvaston is mainly enjoyed by white people (not exclusively so by any
> means) and generations of kids have played there and escaped from city
> life to a bit of reasonable seclusion, peace and quiet.  They will
> learn what a tree looks like and see a lawn or two - and what a
> beautiful building is (even though is was originally for a privileged
> few). To Black and his ilk , that's a great reason to destroy it.
> Elvaston is far from being the only such building in the UK to be the
> victim of this pillage of course.

In their day these houses were a source of income and employment for a
whole community. That day was  already coming to a close at the onset
of WW1 which with the advent of death duties afterwards signalled the
final death knell to a way of life for a great many people.

>  Some clown earlier said "so what's do be done - divert money from
> other project". YES of course - did you manage to work that out all by
> yourself!  Have you see the anti-white projects we Britsish waste on
> these dreadful etho-integration junk!  Or I s uppose you would far
> sooner see it spent on mansions abroad for the "investors" and
> "developers" - because that's who it will "be GIVEN" to. Just like
> Labour gave OUR money to the Banks. And YOUR sort at the ones who
> voted for them so they could do such evil.

And that same clown is a full member of both the NT and EH and at one
time was a volunteer with the NT. He puts his money and has previously
put his time where his mouth is. He and others like him have done more
for conservation of our British Architectural Heritage than the whole
legion of your BNP mates who are so myopic they can only see any issue
in terms of race.

Even he, clown that he is, can understand that the upkeep of these
properties cannot compete for funds with home helps, meals on wheels,
refuse collection, street cleansing, highway maintenance and whatever
without coming a very poor last and rightly so. There are priorities.

There are scores of ways in which the general public can lend its
support to the preservation of our vast store of architectural
heritage if only by paying a few quid to go and see an example from
time to time but that ain't "free" is it?

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:38:39 +0000, jake  wrote:

>On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:01:28 +0000, The gods have made us mad
> wrote:
>
>>The main thing to remember when completing a Lottery grant application 
>>is, never enter the words, 'White' or 'Christian' -  those forms go 
>>straight into the bin...
>>
>>
>
>It's so very easy to  wipe out hundreds of years of British history,
>culture heritage and so on - and once gone they are gone forever. 


Sign the Naseby Battlefield Petition to try and get HM gov. to divert a
lousy three million (of our money) to highlight a major part of English
history:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Naseby/

White Spirit wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> White Spirit wrote:
>>> William Black wrote:

>>>> Immigrants pay taxes just like everyone else here.

>>> The kind of people who benefit from Asian day care centres and Negro
>>> graffiti projects do not.

>> I've never actually seen an 'Asian day centre' or a 'Negro graphiti
>> project' but I'm sure such places have web sites.  Do please point
>> me at one...

> http://www.multikulti.org.uk/agencies/bengali/london/17589/index.html

> I walk past it on the way to work.

So no more British Legion then, only open to ex-servicemen.

What exactly is you problem here racist moron?

> Here are some Graffiti projects:

> http://www.agcc.co.uk/graffiti-project-is-off-the-wall/

Where does the 'negro' bit fit in? It says on the website "Places on the
workshops are free for anyone aged 14 and over", not any black person,
but ANYONE.

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southwest/sites/inpictures/pages/hideout.shtml

Where's the 'negro' bit then?

> Ironically, they (deliberately) chose a token white person on the
> above link.

>>>> You still haven't found a purpose for the structure.

>>> How about a White History Museum?

>> You idea excludes part of the community for no good reason.

> Well, so do Black History Museums and Jewish History Museums so why
> shouldn't we have our own?

I've no problem with that. Though, as you and as your fellow racists 
point
out regularly, most recorded history comes from the Western world so one
does not really have to specify.

>> Try and be supportive rather than exclusive.

> Why?  I support their permanent exclusion.

Yes you would but then you are an unintelligent, uneducated and
inexperienced fuckwit.

>> How about 'A Museum of Local Trades History',  especially including
>> now defunct local industry and trades'.

>> It meets your requirements without excluding people.

>> It would even give employment to that part of the community you feel
>> is being deprived.

>> Except that you want to exclude people.

> Only the people who don't belong here.

But they do laddie. Get used to it. If you threw out all those who did
not have family ties going back to the Ice Age, Queen Brenda would be on
the second boat out.

Lou Ravi wrote:

>>>>> Immigrants pay taxes just like everyone else here.

>>>> The kind of people who benefit from Asian day care centres and Negro
>>>> graffiti projects do not.

>>> I've never actually seen an 'Asian day centre' or a 'Negro graphiti
>>> project' but I'm sure such places have web sites.  Do please point
>>> me at one...

>> http://www.multikulti.org.uk/agencies/bengali/london/17589/index.html

>> I walk past it on the way to work.

> So no more British Legion then, only open to ex-servicemen.

> What exactly is you problem here racist moron?

The beneficiaries of the Asian Day Care Centre do not pay taxes and have 
not fought for this country.  A charity set up to provide relief to the 
indigenous British would be publicly derided.

Is that plain enough for you, you ignorant twat?

>> Here are some Graffiti projects:

>> http://www.agcc.co.uk/graffiti-project-is-off-the-wall/

> Where does the 'negro' bit fit in? It says on the website "Places on the
> workshops are free for anyone aged 14 and over", not any black person,
> but ANYONE.

Graffiti is part of black subculture.

>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southwest/sites/inpictures/pages/hideout.shtml

> Where's the 'negro' bit then?

Graffiti is part of black subculture.

>>> Try and be supportive rather than exclusive.

>> Why?  I support their permanent exclusion.

> Yes you would but then you are an unintelligent, uneducated and
> inexperienced fuckwit.

Actually, I'm educated with a First Class Honours Degree and intelligent 
enough to know four dead languages.  When it comes to multiculturalism, 
I wish I was inexperienced.

>>> Except that you want to exclude people.

>> Only the people who don't belong here.

> But they do laddie.

Mindless contradiction noted.

> Get used to it. If you threw out all those who did
> not have family ties going back to the Ice Age, Queen Brenda would be on
> the second boat out.

I'd limit the ties to before 1932.

On Nov 2, 8:59 am, Mel Rowing  wrote:
> On Nov 2, 3:08 am, jake  wrote:
>
> >http://www.friendsofelvaston.co.uk/
>
> > What a dreadful betray of British heritage. All for a game of mindless
> > golf!
>
> The very first line of the site above:
>
> " Sadly, Elvaston Castle and Country Park have been allowed to become
> run-down and neglected over recent years and Derbyshire County Council
> has announced that the authority can no longer finance the annual
> maintenance costs of the Country Park or the restoration costs of the
> grade 2* listed House and are seeking investment from the private
> sector. "
>
> So what is to be done ?
>
> Raise Council tax? Divert money from other projects ?
>
> Why isn't the castle being put to its original and intended use?
>
> The answer of course is that the original land use became obsolete
> years ago. The original owners could no longer afford the maintenance
> and conservation costs of a house built for a different age and a
> different society. Therefore is the house was not to be reduced to
> rubble then an alternative use had to be found. No the same problems
> that forced the hand of the previous owners have come to bear on the
> new owners or guardians the council.
>
> The solution remains the same an alternative and more profitable use
> has to be found one that ensures that visitors to the property spend
> real money. A round of golf or a hotel room carries a much more
> profit  than a cup of coffee or an ice cream. Therefore look for a
> solution like this and the building will remain open all be it to a
> section of the public.
>
> Carry on as it were, it will become a bigger and bigger burden on the
> Council budget and even then, ultimately, it will end up being boarded
> up in the interests of public safety befoe demolition.
>
> Those are the real choices.

How about the Lottery?

Sam wrote:
> On Nov 2, 8:59 am, Mel Rowing  wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 3:08 am, jake  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.friendsofelvaston.co.uk/
>>> What a dreadful betray of British heritage. All for a game of mindless
>>> golf!
>> The very first line of the site above:
>>
>> " Sadly, Elvaston Castle and Country Park have been allowed to become
>> run-down and neglected over recent years and Derbyshire County Council
>> has announced that the authority can no longer finance the annual
>> maintenance costs of the Country Park or the restoration costs of the
>> grade 2* listed House and are seeking investment from the private
>> sector. "
>>
>> So what is to be done ?
>>
>> Raise Council tax? Divert money from other projects ?
>>
>> Why isn't the castle being put to its original and intended use?
>>
>> The answer of course is that the original land use became obsolete
>> years ago. The original owners could no longer afford the maintenance
>> and conservation costs of a house built for a different age and a
>> different society. Therefore is the house was not to be reduced to
>> rubble then an alternative use had to be found. No the same problems
>> that forced the hand of the previous owners have come to bear on the
>> new owners or guardians the council.
>>
>> The solution remains the same an alternative and more profitable use
>> has to be found one that ensures that visitors to the property spend
>> real money. A round of golf or a hotel room carries a much more
>> profit  than a cup of coffee or an ice cream. Therefore look for a
>> solution like this and the building will remain open all be it to a
>> section of the public.
>>
>> Carry on as it were, it will become a bigger and bigger burden on the
>> Council budget and even then, ultimately, it will end up being boarded
>> up in the interests of public safety befoe demolition.
>>
>> Those are the real choices.
> 
> How about the Lottery?
> 

You need a 'project' to hang your request on.

Just preserving an old but pretty house and grounds won't work.  You 
need to be doing something with it.

These people:

http://www.friendsofelvaston.co.uk/

Are trying, but they have no focused project beyond 'a community asset' 
which probably means they aren't going to get any money.


-- 
William Black

"Any number under six"

The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of 
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat 
single handed with a quarterstaff.