The Organisation for Security and Cooperation says Stalin was equally
to blame due to the carving up of Poland between the Nazis and the
Communists.

Mail today

Funny that. I have been told right is bad commy is good.

On Jul 4, 9:32 pm, Mike  wrote:
> The Organisation for Security and Cooperation says Stalin was equally
> to blame due to the carving up of Poland between the Nazis and the
> Communists.
>
> Mail today
>
> Funny that. I have been told right is bad commy is good.

Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.
It is a shame they are trying to wash their bloodied hands and disown
their loyal puppet.

Karl Marx is buried in Highgate Cemetery, London. Are they going to
disown him too?

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:42:37 -0700 (PDT), Benito Cramerrini
 wrote:

>On Jul 4, 9:32 pm, Mike  wrote:
>> The Organisation for Security and Cooperation says Stalin was equally
>> to blame due to the carving up of Poland between the Nazis and the
>> Communists.
>>
>> Mail today
>>
>> Funny that. I have been told right is bad commy is good.
>
>Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.

ha ha  ha - iodiot!

>It is a shame they are trying to wash their bloodied hands and disown
>their loyal puppet.

Well why is it a "shame" then

>Karl Marx is buried in Highgate Cemetery, London. Are they going to
>disown him too?

Dunno - activist is he?

On 4 July, 05:34, jake  wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:42:37 -0700 (PDT), Benito Cramerrini
>
>  wrote:
> >On Jul 4, 9:32�pm, Mike  wrote:
> >> The Organisation for Security and Cooperation says Stalin was equally
> >> to blame due to the carving up of Poland between the Nazis and the
> >> Communists.
>
> >> Mail today
>
> >> Funny that. I have been told right is bad commy is good.
>
> >Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.
>
> ha ha �ha - iodiot!
>
> >It is a shame they are trying to wash their bloodied hands and disown
> >their loyal puppet.
>
> Well why is it a "shame" then
>
> >Karl Marx is buried in Highgate Cemetery, London. Are they going to
> >disown him too?
>
> Dunno - activist is he?

Splitter!

On 4 July, 12:32, Mike  wrote:
> The Organisation for Security and Cooperation says Stalin was equally
> to blame due to the carving up of Poland between the Nazis and the
> Communists.
>
> Mail today
>
> Funny that. I have been told right is bad commy is good.

There isn't a way to make Shtler right
by making Stalin wrong.  He was wrong
but there isn't any exculpation for Nazism.

On Jul 4, 10:34 pm, jake  wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:42:37 -0700 (PDT), Benito Cramerrini
>
>  wrote:
> >On Jul 4, 9:32 pm, Mike  wrote:
> >> The Organisation for Security and Cooperation says Stalin was equally
> >> to blame due to the carving up of Poland between the Nazis and the
> >> Communists.
>
> >> Mail today
>
> >> Funny that. I have been told right is bad commy is good.
>
> >Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.
>
> ha ha  ha - iodiot!

He has a Scotland Yard dossier, too. Don't know what the funny thing
is that
you find in this very sad story.

> >It is a shame they are trying to wash their bloodied hands and disown
> >their loyal puppet.
>
> Well why is it a "shame" then

they should be proud of him

> >Karl Marx is buried in Highgate Cemetery, London. Are they going to
> >disown him too?
>
> Dunno - activist is he?

very active

On 4 July, 05:40, Ariadne  wrote:
> On 4 July, 12:32, Mike  wrote:
>
> > The Organisation for Security and Cooperation says Stalin was equally
> > to blame due to the carving up of Poland between the Nazis and the
> > Communists.
>
> > Mail today
>
> > Funny that. I have been told right is bad commy is good.
>
> There isn't a way to make Shtler right
> by making Stalin wrong. �He was wrong
> but there isn't any exculpation for Nazism.

Who says otherwise? The point is that Hitler has been used to divert
attention from the evil of communism. That may be coming to an end.

Benito Cramerrini wrote:



> Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.

Well that's a new one.

You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some time here,  
but Stalin!!!

-- 
William Black

On Jul 5, 3:29 am, William Black  wrote:
> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> > Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.
>
> Well that's a new one.
>
> You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some time here,  
> but Stalin!!!
>
> --
> William Black

A petty agitator and troublemaker, he
was protected from Scotland Yard by British Intel.
England was no doubt the training ground.

Benito Cramerrini wrote:

> On Jul 5, 3:29 am, William Black  wrote:
>> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
>> > Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.
>>
>> Well that's a new one.
>>
>> You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some time
>> here, but Stalin!!!
>>
>> --
>> William Black
> 
> A petty agitator and troublemaker, he
> was protected from Scotland Yard by British Intel.
> England was no doubt the training ground.

Stalin or Trotsky?

-- 
William Black

On Jul 5, 3:56 am, Benito Cramerrini 
wrote:
> On Jul 5, 3:29 am, William Black  wrote:
>
> > Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> > > Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.
>
> > Well that's a new one.
>
> > You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some time here,  
> > but Stalin!!!
>
> > --
> > William Black
>
> A petty agitator and troublemaker, he
> was protected from Scotland Yard by British Intel.
> England was no doubt the training ground.

PS

WW II, the handler Victor Rothschild and cie.
The "official" memorandum is rather vague and
apologetic, but it is for public consumption
of course. Suffice to know how "impressed" he was
by the "Soviet man being the test tube man of the
future". What an embarrassing slip up, eh?:-)
Top British financier and James Bond wannabe.

Benito Cramerrini wrote:

> On Jul 5, 3:56 am, Benito Cramerrini 
> wrote:
>> On Jul 5, 3:29 am, William Black  wrote:
>>
>> > Benito Cramerrini wrote:
>> > > Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.
>>
>> > Well that's a new one.
>>
>> > You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some time
>> > here, but Stalin!!!
>>
>> > --
>> > William Black
>>
>> A petty agitator and troublemaker, he
>> was protected from Scotland Yard by British Intel.
>> England was no doubt the training ground.
> 
> PS
> 
> WW II, the handler Victor Rothschild and cie.
> The "official" memorandum is rather vague and
> apologetic, but it is for public consumption
> of course. Suffice to know how "impressed" he was
> by the "Soviet man being the test tube man of the
> future". What an embarrassing slip up, eh?:-)
> Top British financier and James Bond wannabe.

What on earth are you blathering on about?

-- 
William Black

On Jul 5, 4:11 am, William Black  wrote:
> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 3:29 am, William Black  wrote:
> >> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> >> > Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.
>
> >> Well that's a new one.
>
> >> You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some time
> >> here, but Stalin!!!
>
> >> --
> >> William Black
>
> > A petty agitator and troublemaker, he
> > was protected from Scotland Yard by British Intel.
> > England was no doubt the training ground.
>
> Stalin or Trotsky?
>
> --
> William Black

Stalin and buddies.

On Jul 5, 4:21 am, William Black  wrote:
> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 3:56 am, Benito Cramerrini 
> > wrote:
> >> On Jul 5, 3:29 am, William Black  wrote:
>
> >> > Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> >> > > Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London> >> > Well that's a new one.
>
> >> > You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some time
> >> > here, but Stalin!!!
>
> >> > --
> >> > William Black
>
> >> A petty agitator and troublemaker, he
> >> was protected from Scotland Yard by British Intel.
> >> England was no doubt the training ground.
>
> > PS
>
> > WW II, the handler Victor Rothschild and cie.
> > The "official" memorandum is rather vague and
> > apologetic, but it is for public consumption
> > of course. Suffice to know how "impressed" he was
> > by the "Soviet man being the test tube man of the
> > future". What an embarrassing slip up, eh?:-)
> > Top British financier and James Bond wannabe.
>
> What on earth are you blathering on about?
>
> --
> William Black

Do some research on Victor his role in WW II. His
"patriotic" adventures, and you will get the whole picture.
Bit by bit. I can see that you don't like what you hear
already, but this is the sad truth.

On Jul 5, 4:33 am, William Black  wrote:
> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 4:11 am, William Black  wrote:
> >> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> >> > On Jul 5, 3:29 am, William Black  wrote> >> >> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> >> >> > Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.
>
> >> >> Well that's a new one.
>
> >> >> You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some time
> >> >> here, but Stalin!!!
>
> >> >> --
> >> >> William Black
>
> >> > A petty agitator and troublemaker, he
> >> > was protected from Scotland Yard by British Intel.
> >> > England was no doubt the training ground.
>
> >> Stalin or Trotsky?
>
> > Stalin and buddies.
>
> There's no evidence that Stalin ever visited the UK at all.
>
> There is evidence that several Bolshevik revolutionaries did visit the UK,  
> but the rate at which they killed policemen and were themselves killed seems
> to indicate that there was no collusion between them and the British
> authorities.
>
> The inevitable conclusion is that,  unless you have some proof of your
> remarkable assertions, you're barking mad...
>
> --
> William Black

Jesus man, do you always go by the "official" account?
You don't think the British Lords will admit in public that they are
mass-murderers. Think about it, there is zero logic for them to
have been in England in the first place, yet they were.
Do your research and try to use your brains.

Benito Cramerrini wrote:

> On Jul 5, 4:21 am, William Black  wrote:
>> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
>> > On Jul 5, 3:56 am, Benito Cramerrini 
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Jul 5, 3:29 am, William Black  wrote:
>>
>> >> > Benito Cramerrini wrote:
>> >> > > Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in
>> >> > > London.
>>
>> >> > Well that's a new one.
>>
>> >> > You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some time
>> >> > here, but Stalin!!!
>>
>> >> > --
>> >> > William Black
>>
>> >> A petty agitator and troublemaker, he
>> >> was protected from Scotland Yard by British Intel.
>> >> England was no doubt the training ground.
>>
>> > PS
>>
>> > WW II, the handler Victor Rothschild and cie.
>> > The "official" memorandum is rather vague and
>> > apologetic, but it is for public consumption
>> > of course. Suffice to know how "impressed" he was
>> > by the "Soviet man being the test tube man of the
>> > future". What an embarrassing slip up, eh?:-)
>> > Top British financier and James Bond wannabe.
>>
>> What on earth are you blathering on about?
>>
>> --
>> William Black
> 
> Do some research on Victor his role in WW II. His
> "patriotic" adventures, and you will get the whole picture.
> Bit by bit. I can see that you don't like what you hear
> already, but this is the sad truth.

We are talking about the same bloke aren't we?

The 3rd Baron Rothschild,  war hero,  GM winner,  security advisor to 
Margaret Thatcher?

He may have been a bit careless with his friends in the 'thirties, but so 
were many others, and he was cleared.

My understanding is that most of his work in WWII involved bomb disposal...

The only connection I can find between Stalin and the Rothschild family in 
his early life was Stalin either attacking their assets or blackmailing them

Details here:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message388385/pg1 

There's a lot of conspiracy stuff on the web,  but most of it is tainted by 
the insistence that the Illuminati are running everything.

-- 
William Black

Benito Cramerrini wrote:

> On Jul 5, 4:33 am, William Black  wrote:


>> The inevitable conclusion is that,  unless you have some proof of your
>> remarkable assertions, you're barking mad...
>>

> 
> Jesus man, do you always go by the "official" account?
> You don't think the British Lords will admit in public that they are
> mass-murderers. Think about it, there is zero logic for them to
> have been in England in the first place, yet they were.
> Do your research and try to use your brains.

No proof then

You're barking...

-- 
William Black

"William Black"  wrote in message 
news:h2o8fo$4vd$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
>
>> On Jul 5, 4:33 am, William Black  wrote:
>
>>> The inevitable conclusion is that,  unless you have some proof of your
>>> remarkable assertions, you're barking mad...
>>>
>
>>
>> Jesus man, do you always go by the "official" account?
>> You don't think the British Lords will admit in public that they are
>> mass-murderers. Think about it, there is zero logic for them to
>> have been in England in the first place, yet they were.
>> Do your research and try to use your brains.
>
> No proof then

Yeah, but they destroyed the proof, din't they?  S'obvious.  Etc...

> You're barking...
>
> -- 
> William Black

On Jul 5, 4:47 am, William Black  wrote:
> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 4:21 am, William Black  wrote:
> >> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> >> > On Jul 5, 3:56 am, Benito Cramerrini 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> On Jul 5, 3:29 am, William Black  wrote:
>
> >> >> > Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> >> >> > > Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in
> >> >> > > London.
>
> >> >> > Well that's a new one.
>
> >> >> > You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some time
> >> >> > here, but Stalin!!!
>
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > William Black
>
> >> >> A petty agitator and troublemaker, he
> >> >> was protected from Scotland Yard by British Intel.
> >> >> England was no doubt the training ground.
>
> >> > PS
>
> >> > WW II, the handler Victor Rothschild and cie.
> >> > The "official" memorandum is rather vague and
> >> > apologetic, but it is for public consumption
> >> > of course. Suffice to know how "impressed" he was
> >> > by the "Soviet man being the test tube man of the
> >> > future". What an embarrassing slip up, eh?:-)
> >> > Top British financier and James Bond wannabe.
>
> >> What on earth are you blathering on about?
>
> >> --
> >> William Black
>
> > Do some research on Victor his role in WW II. His
> > "patriotic" adventures, and you will get the whole picture.
> > Bit by bit. I can see that you don't like what you hear
> > already, but this is the sad truth.
>
> We are talking about the same bloke aren't we?
>
> The 3rd Baron Rothschild,  war hero,  GM winner,  security advisor to
> Margaret Thatcher?

Try Owner of England.

> He may have been a bit careless with his friends in the 'thirties, but so
> were many others, and he was cleared.
>

"cleared" by whom??? He got a bj and a shoeshine every time he paid
British Intel a visit.

> My understanding is that most of his work in WWII involved bomb disposal.You are raving mad, he was the gazillionaire handler of Stalin.


> The only connection I can find between Stalin and the Rothschild family in
> his early life was Stalin either attacking their assets or blackmailing them
>
> Details here:
>
> http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message388385/pg1

Wanna give that another try?

Results 1 - 10 of about 8,760 for victor rothschild british
intelligence. (0.12 seconds)

> There's a lot of conspiracy stuff on the web,  but most of it is tainted by
> the insistence that the Illuminati are running everything.

Don't worry about illuminati, worry about the death of 50 million
Russians
and millions more East Europeans.

> --
> William Black

On Jul 5, 4:49 am, William Black  wrote:
> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 4:33 am, William Black  wrote:
> >> The inevitable conclusion is that,  unless you have some proof of your
> >> remarkable assertions, you're barking mad...
>
> > Jesus man, do you always go by the "official" account?
> > You don't think the British Lords will admit in public that they are
> > mass-murderers. Think about it, there is zero logic for them to
> > have been in England in the first place, yet they were.
> > Do your research and try to use your brains.
>
> No proof then
>
> You're barking...
>
> --
> William Black

I have seen the Scotland Yard picture taken of Stalin in Greg Hallet's
article "Stalin's British training".
http://www.greghallett.com/
The photograph looks authentic, and the story more than just, logical
and believable.

I am tempted to throw an insult back at you but see no point wasting
time.

Benito Cramerrini wrote:

> On Jul 5, 4:47 am, William Black  wrote:
>> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
>> > On Jul 5, 4:21 am, William Black  wrote:
>> >> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
>> >> > On Jul 5, 3:56 am, Benito Cramerrini 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> On Jul 5, 3:29 am, William Black 
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > Benito Cramerrini wrote:
>> >> >> > > Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in
>> >> >> > > London.
>>
>> >> >> > Well that's a new one.
>>
>> >> >> > You could possibly make a case for Trotsky as he did spend some
>> >> >> > time here, but Stalin!!!
>>
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > William Black
>>
>> >> >> A petty agitator and troublemaker, he
>> >> >> was protected from Scotland Yard by British Intel.
>> >> >> England was no doubt the training ground.
>>
>> >> > PS
>>
>> >> > WW II, the handler Victor Rothschild and cie.
>> >> > The "official" memorandum is rather vague and
>> >> > apologetic, but it is for public consumption
>> >> > of course. Suffice to know how "impressed" he was
>> >> > by the "Soviet man being the test tube man of the
>> >> > future". What an embarrassing slip up, eh?:-)
>> >> > Top British financier and James Bond wannabe.
>>
>> >> What on earth are you blathering on about?
>>
>> >> --
>> >> William Black
>>
>> > Do some research on Victor his role in WW II. His
>> > "patriotic" adventures, and you will get the whole picture.
>> > Bit by bit. I can see that you don't like what you hear
>> > already, but this is the sad truth.
>>
>> We are talking about the same bloke aren't we?
>>
>> The 3rd Baron Rothschild,  war hero,  GM winner,  security advisor to
>> Margaret Thatcher?
> 
> Try Owner of England.
> 
>> He may have been a bit careless with his friends in the 'thirties, but so
>> were many others, and he was cleared.
>>
> 
> "cleared" by whom??? He got a bj and a shoeshine every time he paid
> British Intel a visit.
> 
>> My understanding is that most of his work in WWII involved bomb
>> disposal...
> 
> You are raving mad, he was the gazillionaire handler of Stalin.
> 
> 
>> The only connection I can find between Stalin and the Rothschild family
>> in his early life was Stalin either attacking their assets or
>> blackmailing them
>>
>> Details here:
>>
>> http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message388385/pg1
> 
> Wanna give that another try?
> 
> Results 1 - 10 of about 8,760 for victor rothschild british
> intelligence. (0.12 seconds)
> 
>> There's a lot of conspiracy stuff on the web,  but most of it is tainted
>> by the insistence that the Illuminati are running everything.
> 
> Don't worry about illuminati, worry about the death of 50 million
> Russians
> and millions more East Europeans.

Well I still think you're mad.

However I'm prepared to give you one last chance.

Point me at something rational that tells me all about it.


-- 
William Black

Benito Cramerrini wrote:

> On Jul 5, 4:49 am, William Black  wrote:
>> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
>> > On Jul 5, 4:33 am, William Black  wrote:
>> >> The inevitable conclusion is that,  unless you have some proof of your
>> >> remarkable assertions, you're barking mad...
>>
>> > Jesus man, do you always go by the "official" account?
>> > You don't think the British Lords will admit in public that they are
>> > mass-murderers. Think about it, there is zero logic for them to
>> > have been in England in the first place, yet they were.
>> > Do your research and try to use your brains.
>>
>> No proof then
>>
>> You're barking...
>>
>> --
>> William Black
> 
> I have seen the Scotland Yard picture taken of Stalin in Greg Hallet's
> article "Stalin's British training".

I've come across people refering to this Hallett <note spelling please,  
you'll confuse people> character before.

He's the one who makes a series of incredibly puerile claims that don't seem 
to stand up to even superficial scrutiny.

Can we try for a source written by someone who doesn't need a certificate to 
prove his sanity...

-- 
William Black

On Jul 6, 12:30 am, William Black  wrote:
> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> > On Jul 5, 4:49 am, William Black  wrote:
> >> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> >> > On Jul 5, 4:33 am, William Black  wrote> >> >> The inevitable conclusion is that,  unless you have some proof of your
> >> >> remarkable assertions, you're barking mad...
>
> >> > Jesus man, do you always go by the "official" account?
> >> > You don't think the British Lords will admit in public that they are
> >> > mass-murderers. Think about it, there is zero logic for them to
> >> > have been in England in the first place, yet they were.
> >> > Do your research and try to use your brains.
>
> >> No proof then
>
> >> You're barking...
>
> >> --
> >> William Black
>
> > I have seen the Scotland Yard picture taken of Stalin in Greg Hallet's
> > article "Stalin's British training".
>
> I've come across people refering to this Hallett <note spelling please,  
> you'll confuse people> character before.
>
> He's the one who makes a series of incredibly puerile claims that don't seem
> to stand up to even superficial scrutiny.
>
> Can we try for a source written by someone who doesn't need a certificate to
> prove his sanity...
>
> --
> William Black

Hallett is not Icke.

If you have experience doing a serious reading you would notice that
most authors
that challenge the official propaganda, usually leave an "escape
route". This not
because the propaganda doctors are such nice people. "Accidents" do
happen
It is better to allow mainstream "critics" to be able to claim
insanity than to be run over
by a truck.

This does not undermine the valid part of the information they supply.

The quote from Victor is actually from a "respectable source as
according to _your_
extraordinary requirements. It was an embarrassing slip up in an
otherwise very apologetic
and ass-licking article about this "great" "British" "patriot".

If the richest person in the universe said that we are a test tube
men, and that
communism is very exciting, then why would it be so hard to believe
that he was
indeed Stalin's handler?...or that Stalin received his training in
Britain?

Benito Cramerrini wrote:

> On Jul 6, 12:30 am, William Black  wrote:

> Hallett is not Icke.

Goodness no.

Icke is dangerous.  Hallett is just bonkers.

Both are dangerous

> If you have experience doing a serious reading you would notice that
> most authors
> that challenge the official propaganda, usually leave an "escape
> route". This not
> because the propaganda doctors are such nice people. "Accidents" do
> happen

Ah,  have you considered the use of a tinfoil hat to deter them?


-- 
William Black

On Jul 6, 1:21 am, William Black  wrote:
> Benito Cramerrini wrote:
> > On Jul 6, 12:30 am, William Black  wrote:
> > Hallett is not Icke.
>
> Goodness no.
>
> Icke is dangerous.  Hallett is just bonkers.
>
> Both are dangerous

Well maybe tinfoil might help you shield their influence.:-)

> > If you have experience doing a serious reading you would notice that
> > most authors
> > that challenge the official propaganda, usually leave an "escape
> > route". This not
> > because the propaganda doctors are such nice people. "Accidents" do
> > happen
>
> Ah,  have you considered the use of a tinfoil hat to deter them?

No, why should I? I don't publish, I am not useful victim and tinfoil
doesn't help against those very
expensive radioactive poisons that Rothschild can afford, if you catch
my hint.

> --
> William Black

On 4 Juli, 13:42, Benito Cramerrini 
wrote:
> On Jul 4, 9:32 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
> > The Organisation for Security and Cooperation says Stalin was equally
> > to blame due to the carving up of Poland between the Nazis and the
> > Communists.
>
> > Mail today
>
> > Funny that. I have been told right is bad commy is good.
>
> Stalin was recruited and trained by British Intelligence in London.

Your proof of this being?
YOu're just as stupid and dishonest as teh last Cramer,aren't you?