from ch.4 of 'the great heresies'....belloc...1936
http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT
"Both in the world of Hither Asia and in the Graeco-Roman world of
the Mediterranean, but especially in the latter, society had fallen,
much as our society has today, into a tangle wherein the bulk of men
were disappointed and angry and seeking for a solution to the whole
group of social strains. There was indebtedness everywhere; the power
of money and consequent usury. There was slavery everywhere. Society
reposed upon it, as ours reposes upon wage slavery today. There was
weariness and discontent with theological debate, which, for all its
intensity, had grown out of touch with the masses. There lay upon the
freemen, already tortured with debt, a heavy burden of imperial
taxation; and there was the irritant of existing central government
interfering with men's lives; there was the tyranny of the lawyers and
their charges."



probably socialists!!


regards

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On Oct 15, 3:42 am, abelard  wrote:
> from ch.4 of 'the great heresies'....belloc...1936http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT
> "Both in the world of Hither Asia and in the Graeco-Roman world of
> the Mediterranean, but especially in the latter, society had fallen,
> much as our society has today, into a tangle wherein the bulk of men
> were disappointed and angry and seeking for a solution to the whole
> group of social strains. There was indebtedness everywhere; the power
> of money and consequent usury. There was slavery everywhere. Society
> reposed upon it, as ours reposes upon wage slavery today. There was
> weariness and discontent with theological debate, which, for all its
> intensity, had grown out of touch with the masses. There lay upon the
> freemen, already tortured with debt, a heavy burden of imperial
> taxation; and there was the irritant of existing central government
> interfering with men's lives; there was the tyranny of the lawyers and
> their charges."
>
> probably socialists!!
>
> regards
>
> --
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>   all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
>   the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
>   good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
>                     only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
all that is necessary for           [] walk quietly like a big prick.
the triumph of rubbish is that    []
the readers believe it .             [] trust logic not flatulence

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You seem to always be posting that  which others have written. Why is
this clown-abelard? Is it because you lack the ability to think for
yourself have to use better brains then you possess to post
intelligibly?

"abelard"  wrote in message 
news:bmq9f45j0imk8vnbk4non0r5qf2tcmhb9m@4ax.com...
>
>
> from ch.4 of 'the great heresies'....belloc...1936
> http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT
> "Both in the world of Hither Asia and in the Graeco-Roman world of
> the Mediterranean, but especially in the latter, society had fallen,
> much as our society has today, into a tangle wherein the bulk of men
> were disappointed and angry and seeking for a solution to the whole
> group of social strains. There was indebtedness everywhere; the power
> of money and consequent usury. There was slavery everywhere. Society
> reposed upon it, as ours reposes upon wage slavery today. There was
> weariness and discontent with theological debate, which, for all its
> intensity, had grown out of touch with the masses. There lay upon the
> freemen, already tortured with debt, a heavy burden of imperial
> taxation; and there was the irritant of existing central government
> interfering with men's lives; there was the tyranny of the lawyers and
> their charges."
>
>
>
> probably socialists!!

Thanks for posting - there's lots of good stuff in there. e.g. "the spread 
over Mesopotamia and Persia and the mountain land towards India, was not, as 
in the case of the sudden successes in Syria and Egypt, due to the appeal of 
simplicity, freedom from slavery and relief from debt. It was due to a 
certain underlying historical character in the Near East which has always 
influenced its society and continues to influence it today. That character 
is a sort of natural uniformity. There has been inherent in it from times 
earlier than any known historical record, a sort of instinct for obedience 
to one religious head, which is also the civil head, and a general 
similarity of social culture."

Nobody seems to write history like that any more - as if people have real 
thoughts then act on those thoughts. Instead everything is portrayed as a 
set of impersonal social mechanisms in action. The bloody marxists need 
shooting for that.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:12:14 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>
>"abelard"  wrote in message 
>news:bmq9f45j0imk8vnbk4non0r5qf2tcmhb9m@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> from ch.4 of 'the great heresies'....belloc...1936
>> http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT
>> "Both in the world of Hither Asia and in the Graeco-Roman world of
>> the Mediterranean, but especially in the latter, society had fallen,
>> much as our society has today, into a tangle wherein the bulk of men
>> were disappointed and angry and seeking for a solution to the whole
>> group of social strains. There was indebtedness everywhere; the power
>> of money and consequent usury. There was slavery everywhere. Society
>> reposed upon it, as ours reposes upon wage slavery today. There was
>> weariness and discontent with theological debate, which, for all its
>> intensity, had grown out of touch with the masses. There lay upon the
>> freemen, already tortured with debt, a heavy burden of imperial
>> taxation; and there was the irritant of existing central government
>> interfering with men's lives; there was the tyranny of the lawyers and
>> their charges."
>>
>>
>>
>> probably socialists!!
>
>Thanks for posting - there's lots of good stuff in there. e.g. "the spread 
>over Mesopotamia and Persia and the mountain land towards India, was not, as 
>in the case of the sudden successes in Syria and Egypt, due to the appeal of 
>simplicity, freedom from slavery and relief from debt. It was due to a 
>certain underlying historical character in the Near East which has always 
>influenced its society and continues to influence it today. That character 
>is a sort of natural uniformity. There has been inherent in it from times 
>earlier than any known historical record, a sort of instinct for obedience 
>to one religious head, which is also the civil head, and a general 
>similarity of social culture."
>
>Nobody seems to write history like that any more - as if people have real 
>thoughts then act on those thoughts. Instead everything is portrayed as a 
>set of impersonal social mechanisms in action. The bloody marxists need 
>shooting for that. 

marxists have so many qualifications for being shot...
but 'we mustn't make judgements'...

how did socialists ever get sane people to believe that!

regards...

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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:12:14 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>
>"abelard"  wrote in message 
>news:bmq9f45j0imk8vnbk4non0r5qf2tcmhb9m@4ax.com...

>> from ch.4 of 'the great heresies'....belloc...1936
>> http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT
>> "Both in the world of Hither Asia and in the Graeco-Roman world of
>> the Mediterranean, but especially in the latter, society had fallen,
>> much as our society has today, into a tangle wherein the bulk of men
>> were disappointed and angry and seeking for a solution to the whole
>> group of social strains. There was indebtedness everywhere; the power
>> of money and consequent usury. There was slavery everywhere. Society
>> reposed upon it, as ours reposes upon wage slavery today. There was
>> weariness and discontent with theological debate, which, for all its
>> intensity, had grown out of touch with the masses. There lay upon the
>> freemen, already tortured with debt, a heavy burden of imperial
>> taxation; and there was the irritant of existing central government
>> interfering with men's lives; there was the tyranny of the lawyers and
>> their charges."

>> probably socialists!!
>
>Thanks for posting - there's lots of good stuff in there. e.g. "the spread 
>over Mesopotamia and Persia and the mountain land towards India, was not, as 
>in the case of the sudden successes in Syria and Egypt, due to the appeal of 
>simplicity, freedom from slavery and relief from debt. It was due to a 
>certain underlying historical character in the Near East which has always 
>influenced its society and continues to influence it today. That character 
>is a sort of natural uniformity. There has been inherent in it from times 
>earlier than any known historical record, a sort of instinct for obedience 
>to one religious head, which is also the civil head, and a general 
>similarity of social culture."
>
>Nobody seems to write history like that any more - as if people have real 
>thoughts then act on those thoughts. Instead everything is portrayed as a 
>set of impersonal social mechanisms in action. The bloody marxists need 
>shooting for that. 

what interested me was bliar and the clown have produced the
     conditions in the uk....that belloc claims left the door open for
     the success of islam among the pagans!

regards

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  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
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On Oct 15, 10:00 pm, abelard  wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:12:14 퍝, "DVH"  wrote:
>
> >"abelard"  wrote in message
> >news:bmq9f45j0imk8vnbk4non0r5qf2tcmhb9m@4ax.com...
> >> from ch.4 of 'the great heresies'....belloc...1936
> >>http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT
> >> "Both in the world of Hither Asia and in the Graeco-Roman world of
> >> the Mediterranean, but especially in the latter, society had fallen,
> >> much as our society has today, into a tangle wherein the bulk of men
> >> were disappointed and angry and seeking for a solution to the whole
> >> group of social strains. There was indebtedness everywhere; the power
> >> of money and consequent usury. There was slavery everywhere. Society
> >> reposed upon it, as ours reposes upon wage slavery today. There was
> >> weariness and discontent with theological debate, which, for all its
> >> intensity, had grown out of touch with the masses. There lay upon the
> >> freemen, already tortured with debt, a heavy burden of imperial
> >> taxation; and there was the irritant of existing central government
> >> interfering with men's lives; there was the tyranny of the lawyers and
> >> their charges."
> >> probably socialists!!
>
> >Thanks for posting - there's lots of good stuff in there. e.g. "the spread
> >over Mesopotamia and Persia and the mountain land towards India, was not, as
> >in the case of the sudden successes in Syria and Egypt, due to the appeal of
> >simplicity, freedom from slavery and relief from debt. It was due to a
> >certain underlying historical character in the Near East which has always
> >influenced its society and continues to influence it today. That character
> >is a sort of natural uniformity. There has been inherent in it from times
> >earlier than any known historical record, a sort of instinct for obedience
> >to one religious head, which is also the civil head, and a general
> >similarity of social culture."
>
> >Nobody seems to write history like that any more - as if people have real
> >thoughts then act on those thoughts. Instead everything is portrayed as a
> >set of impersonal social mechanisms in action. The bloody marxists need
> >shooting for that.
>
> what interested me was bliar and the clown have produced the
>      conditions in the uk....that belloc claims left the door open for
>      the success of islam among the pagans!

"It was (is) the instinctive policy with the mass of the Jewish
nation, a deliberate policy with most of its leaders, not only to use
ridicule against anti-Semitism but to label as 'anti-Semitic' any
discussion of the Jewish problem at all, or, for that matter, any
information even on the Jewish problem...If a man alluded to the
presence of a Jewish financial power in any region, for instance, in
India, he was an anti-Semite. If he interested himself in the peculiar
character of Jewish philosophical discussions, especially in matters
concerning religion, he was an anti-Semite. If the emigrations of the
Jewish masses from country to country, the vast modern invasion of the
United States, for instance (which has been organized and controlled
like an army on the march), interested him as an historian, he could
not speak of it under pain of being called an anti-Semite. If he
exposed a financial swindler who happened to be a Jew, he was an anti-
Semite. If he exposed a group of Parliamentarians taking money from
the Jews, he was called an anti-Semite. If he did no more than call a
Jew a Jew, he was an anti- Semite. You cannot long confuse interest
with hatred, the statement of plain and important truths with mania,
the discussion of fundamental questions with silly enthusiasm, for the
same reason that you cannot long confuse truth with falsehood. Sooner
or later people are bound to remark that the defendant seems curiously
anxious to avoid all investigation of his case...I say it was a fatal
policy; but it was deliberately undertaken by the Jews." (Hilaire
Belloc, The Jews, pp. 160-161).

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:36:46 -0700 (PDT), joblard@hushmail.com wrote:

>On Oct 15, 10:00 pm, abelard  wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:12:14 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:
>>
>> >"abelard"  wrote in message
>> >news:bmq9f45j0imk8vnbk4non0r5qf2tcmhb9m@4ax.com...
>> >> from ch.4 of 'the great heresies'....belloc...1936
>> >>http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.TXT
>> >> "Both in the world of Hither Asia and in the Graeco-Roman world of
>> >> the Mediterranean, but especially in the latter, society had fallen,
>> >> much as our society has today, into a tangle wherein the bulk of men
>> >> were disappointed and angry and seeking for a solution to the whole
>> >> group of social strains. There was indebtedness everywhere; the power
>> >> of money and consequent usury. There was slavery everywhere. Society
>> >> reposed upon it, as ours reposes upon wage slavery today. There was
>> >> weariness and discontent with theological debate, which, for all its
>> >> intensity, had grown out of touch with the masses. There lay upon the
>> >> freemen, already tortured with debt, a heavy burden of imperial
>> >> taxation; and there was the irritant of existing central government
>> >> interfering with men's lives; there was the tyranny of the lawyers and
>> >> their charges."
>> >> probably socialists!!
>>
>> >Thanks for posting - there's lots of good stuff in there. e.g. "the spread
>> >over Mesopotamia and Persia and the mountain land towards India, was not, as
>> >in the case of the sudden successes in Syria and Egypt, due to the appeal of
>> >simplicity, freedom from slavery and relief from debt. It was due to a
>> >certain underlying historical character in the Near East which has always
>> >influenced its society and continues to influence it today. That character
>> >is a sort of natural uniformity. There has been inherent in it from times
>> >earlier than any known historical record, a sort of instinct for obedience
>> >to one religious head, which is also the civil head, and a general
>> >similarity of social culture."
>>
>> >Nobody seems to write history like that any more - as if people have real
>> >thoughts then act on those thoughts. Instead everything is portrayed as a
>> >set of impersonal social mechanisms in action. The bloody marxists need
>> >shooting for that.
>>
>> what interested me was bliar and the clown have produced the
>>      conditions in the uk....that belloc claims left the door open for
>>      the success of islam among the pagans!
>
>"It was (is) the instinctive policy with the mass of the Jewish
>nation, a deliberate policy with most of its leaders, not only to use
>ridicule against anti-Semitism but to label as 'anti-Semitic' any
>discussion of the Jewish problem at all, or, for that matter, any
>information even on the Jewish problem...If a man alluded to the
>presence of a Jewish financial power in any region, for instance, in
>India, he was an anti-Semite. If he interested himself in the peculiar
>character of Jewish philosophical discussions, especially in matters
>concerning religion, he was an anti-Semite. If the emigrations of the
>Jewish masses from country to country, the vast modern invasion of the
>United States, for instance (which has been organized and controlled
>like an army on the march), interested him as an historian, he could
>not speak of it under pain of being called an anti-Semite. If he
>exposed a financial swindler who happened to be a Jew, he was an anti-
>Semite. If he exposed a group of Parliamentarians taking money from
>the Jews, he was called an anti-Semite. If he did no more than call a
>Jew a Jew, he was an anti- Semite. You cannot long confuse interest
>with hatred, the statement of plain and important truths with mania,
>the discussion of fundamental questions with silly enthusiasm, for the
>same reason that you cannot long confuse truth with falsehood. Sooner
>or later people are bound to remark that the defendant seems curiously
>anxious to avoid all investigation of his case...I say it was a fatal
>policy; but it was deliberately undertaken by the Jews." (Hilaire
>Belloc, The Jews, pp. 160-161).

i'm unsure why you've posted that....

regards...

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