I cracked my rib recently, necessitating a telephone call to NHS Direct. 
  During the course of the conversation, I was asked to answer the 
question: 'How would you describe your ethnic background?'

I immediately replied, 'English', to which the person on the telephone 
replied, 'But is that "Asian", "Black" or what?'  I repeated to him, 
'No, I am English'.  After a further necessary repetition, he stated 
that it doesn't describe my ethnic background because one can be black 
English, or Asian English etc.

I found it quite startling that he could be so ignorant.  Clearly, the 
neo-Marxists have got him convinced that there is no ethnic English 
group and, by implication, no English identity either.  I encounter more 
and more people who display similar ignorance of our culture - people 
who will idly stand by and watch while our nation is destroyed by the 
neo-Marxist liberal elite through mass immigration in order for them to 
create a new order in its stead.

"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
news:gd2ce7$kdg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>I cracked my rib recently, necessitating a telephone call to NHS Direct. 
>During the course of the conversation, I was asked to answer the question: 
>'How would you describe your ethnic background?'
>
> I immediately replied, 'English', to which the person on the telephone 
> replied, 'But is that "Asian", "Black" or what?'  I repeated to him, 'No, 
> I am English'.  After a further necessary repetition, he stated that it 
> doesn't describe my ethnic background because one can be black English, or 
> Asian English etc.

Nope.

They'd have said 'British',  not 'English'.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:15:08 +0100, "William Black"
 wrote:

>
>"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>news:gd2ce7$kdg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>I cracked my rib recently, necessitating a telephone call to NHS Direct. 
>>During the course of the conversation, I was asked to answer the question: 
>>'How would you describe your ethnic background?'
>>
>> I immediately replied, 'English', to which the person on the telephone 
>> replied, 'But is that "Asian", "Black" or what?'  I repeated to him, 'No, 
>> I am English'.  After a further necessary repetition, he stated that it 
>> doesn't describe my ethnic background because one can be black English, or 
>> Asian English etc.
>
>Nope.
>
>They'd have said 'British',  not 'English'.

That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.

"jake"  wrote in message 
news:j9i9f4h08ii705mlsdvr8dbm19adfsupgv@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:15:08 +0100, "William Black"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"White Spirit"  wrote in message
>>news:gd2ce7$kdg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>I cracked my rib recently, necessitating a telephone call to NHS Direct.
>>>During the course of the conversation, I was asked to answer the 
>>>question:
>>>'How would you describe your ethnic background?'
>>>
>>> I immediately replied, 'English', to which the person on the telephone
>>> replied, 'But is that "Asian", "Black" or what?'  I repeated to him, 
>>> 'No,
>>> I am English'.  After a further necessary repetition, he stated that it
>>> doesn't describe my ethnic background because one can be black English, 
>>> or
>>> Asian English etc.
>>
>>Nope.
>>
>>They'd have said 'British',  not 'English'.
>
> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.

Have you considered professional help?

Of course the doctor may not come from the UK,  but there you go...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:

> Have you considered professional help?

> Of course the doctor may not come from the UK,  but there you go...

Strictly speaking, has he gone or has the doctor come?

jake wrote:

> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.

It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of 
Englishman who don't even identify with being English.

"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> jake wrote:
>
>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>
> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of Englishman 
> who don't even identify with being English.

And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?


-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:
> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> jake wrote:
>>
>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of Englishman 
>> who don't even identify with being English.
> 
> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?

Today's England.

-- 
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> jake wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of 
>>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
>>
>> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
> 
> Today's England.
> 

    LOL, Absolutely.

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
news:6lk2ulFcka84U1@mid.individual.net...
> William Black wrote:
>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> jake wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of 
>>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
>>
>> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
>
> Today's England.

Not too bad where I live.

We do get the occasional 'naughty boy', but very little outright villainy is 
apparent.

Perhaps you should either move or stop reading the Daily Mail

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On 14 Oct, 18:04, White Spirit  wrote:
> I cracked my rib recently, necessitating a telephone call to NHS Direct.
>   During the course of the conversation, I was asked to answer the
> question: 'How would you describe your ethnic background?'

> I immediately replied, 'English', to which the person on the telephone
> replied, 'But is that "Asian", "Black" or what?'  I repeated to him,
> 'No, I am English'.  After a further necessary repetition, he stated
> that it doesn't describe my ethnic background because one can be black
> English, or Asian English etc.

> I found it quite startling that he could be so ignorant.

If you wouldn't tell him what your ethnic background was, how could
you expect him to help you properly?

England is a hotch potch of immigrants that have washed over the
British isles over the centuries, Angles, Saxons, Danes, Jamaicans,
Indians, Muslims, they're all part of what together make up the
English. Some Englishmen have a strong identity as Muslims or
Jamaicans or Afghanis, some are unsure of their ethnicity.

You  obviously fall into the latter category and should have described
your self as "Nonedescript." This would probably satisfied your
inquisitor and he could have marked you down as a mongrel nonentity
with no distinguishing or interesting profile in the rich
multicultural tapestry of immigrants that has always made up England
and the English.

Svenne

White Spirit wrote:
>
> I found it quite startling that he could be so ignorant.  Clearly, the
> neo-Marxists have got him convinced that there is no ethnic English
> group

There are lots of them. If you are English it means you were born there. 
It is neither you nationality (British) or your ethnic group (Caucasian 
if you're white).

This being said, I would have told them to sod off. While ethnicity can 
have an influence on certain conditions, or the likelihood of them, they 
are pretty few and far between.

William Black wrote:
> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
> news:6lk2ulFcka84U1@mid.individual.net...
>> William Black wrote:
>>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>>> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> jake wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>>>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of 
>>>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
>>> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
>> Today's England.
> 
> Not too bad where I live.
> 
> We do get the occasional 'naughty boy', but very little outright villainy is 
> apparent.
> 
> Perhaps you should either move or stop reading the Daily Mail

S London is tomorrow's model of England.
A view of the future.

-- 
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
news:gd2ce7$kdg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> I found it quite startling that he could be so ignorant.  Clearly, the 
> neo-Marxists have got him convinced that there is no ethnic English group 
> and, by implication, no English identity either.  I encounter more and 
> more people who display similar ignorance of our culture - people who will 
> idly stand by and watch while our nation is destroyed by the neo-Marxist 
> liberal elite through mass immigration in order for them to create a new 
> order in its stead.

No, the driver for immigration is the capitalist need for growth, to feed 
the greed.
All western democracies are guilty of it.

J&H.

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
news:6lk7n9FcrnbqU2@mid.individual.net...
> William Black wrote:
>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
>> news:6lk2ulFcka84U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> jake wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>>>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>>>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of 
>>>>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
>>>> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
>>> Today's England.
>>
>> Not too bad where I live.
>>
>> We do get the occasional 'naughty boy', but very little outright villainy 
>> is apparent.
>>
>> Perhaps you should either move or stop reading the Daily Mail
>
> S London is tomorrow's model of England.
> A view of the future.

I remember when 'South London' meant white,  working class and prone to 
unprovoked violence.

I gather that all that has changed is the colour...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:
> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
> news:6lk7n9FcrnbqU2@mid.individual.net...
>> William Black wrote:
>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
>>> news:6lk2ulFcka84U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>> jake wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>>>>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>>>>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of 
>>>>>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
>>>>> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
>>>> Today's England.
>>> Not too bad where I live.
>>>
>>> We do get the occasional 'naughty boy', but very little outright villainy 
>>> is apparent.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you should either move or stop reading the Daily Mail
>> S London is tomorrow's model of England.
>> A view of the future.
> 
> I remember when 'South London' meant white,  working class and prone to 
> unprovoked violence.
> 
> I gather that all that has changed is the colour...

Not at all.
It's the degree of the violence, its motivation and in most cases its 
incompetence and stupidity.
I'd like to know where all the Chinese posses are - they're clearly not 
hanging around the shops with their postcode homies.

-- 
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
news:6lkh92Fcvc1fU1@mid.individual.net...
> William Black wrote:
>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
>> news:6lk7n9FcrnbqU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:6lk2ulFcka84U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>>> jake wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. 
>>>>>>>> What's
>>>>>>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>>>>>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of 
>>>>>>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
>>>>>> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
>>>>> Today's England.
>>>> Not too bad where I live.
>>>>
>>>> We do get the occasional 'naughty boy', but very little outright 
>>>> villainy is apparent.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you should either move or stop reading the Daily Mail
>>> S London is tomorrow's model of England.
>>> A view of the future.
>>
>> I remember when 'South London' meant white,  working class and prone to 
>> unprovoked violence.
>>
>> I gather that all that has changed is the colour...
>
> Not at all.
> It's the degree of the violence, its motivation and in most cases its 
> incompetence and stupidity.

Look up the Richardson gang and the 'Torture Trial' some time.

They were very violent and grossly incompetent and heavily involved with 
drugs,  but they paid off the police so it didn't matter...

'Laverly bouys,  vey awnly ever kiwled dere awn...'

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:
> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
> news:6lkh92Fcvc1fU1@mid.individual.net...
>> William Black wrote:
>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
>>> news:6lk7n9FcrnbqU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:6lk2ulFcka84U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>>>> jake wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. 
>>>>>>>>> What's
>>>>>>>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>>>>>>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of 
>>>>>>>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
>>>>>>> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
>>>>>> Today's England.
>>>>> Not too bad where I live.
>>>>>
>>>>> We do get the occasional 'naughty boy', but very little outright 
>>>>> villainy is apparent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps you should either move or stop reading the Daily Mail
>>>> S London is tomorrow's model of England.
>>>> A view of the future.
>>> I remember when 'South London' meant white,  working class and prone to 
>>> unprovoked violence.
>>>
>>> I gather that all that has changed is the colour...
>> Not at all.
>> It's the degree of the violence, its motivation and in most cases its 
>> incompetence and stupidity.
> 
> Look up the Richardson gang and the 'Torture Trial' some time.
> 
> They were very violent and grossly incompetent and heavily involved with 
> drugs,  but they paid off the police so it didn't matter...
> 
> 'Laverly bouys,  vey awnly ever kiwled dere awn...'

Very true. But then you can say that of the postcode "nigga gangstas" as 
well. Except when they shoot down innocent people who just happened to 
get in the way of their incompetent aim.

The facts you quoted above show the Richardsons to be quite competent 
criminals. Nor do I recall them murdering anyone for their smart shoes. 
And, of course, there was the added benefit of their only being one such 
gang, not one per postcode (minimum), so the danger of coming into 
contact with the scum was negligible.

BTW, I see you didn't tell me where the Chinese posses hang out...
Or are all ethnic minorities not equal when it comes to fuck stupid 
criminality?

-- 
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

wrote in message 
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On 14 Oct, 18:04, White Spirit  wrote:
> I cracked my rib recently, necessitating a telephone call to NHS Direct.
> During the course of the conversation, I was asked to answer the
> question: 'How would you describe your ethnic background?'

> I immediately replied, 'English', to which the person on the telephone
> replied, 'But is that "Asian", "Black" or what?' I repeated to him,
> 'No, I am English'. After a further necessary repetition, he stated
> that it doesn't describe my ethnic background because one can be black
> English, or Asian English etc.

> I found it quite startling that he could be so ignorant.

>If you wouldn't tell him what your ethnic background was, how could
>you expect him to help you properly?

What a crock of shite. "well, I am Urglur, great, great, great, great, 
great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, 
great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandson of 
Horsvald the Horned, therefore I am "Norsk English".

>England is a hotch potch of immigrants that have washed over the
>British isles over the centuries, Angles, Saxons, Danes, Jamaicans,
>Indians, Muslims, they're all part of what together make up the
>English. Some Englishmen have a strong identity as Muslims or
>Jamaicans or Afghanis, some are unsure of their ethnicity.

How nice of you to welcome invasions and unwelcome immigrations on everyone 
elses behalf. Don't forget the Romans, Spanish et.al. too.
I would have thought it's common knowledge that "English" meant a white 
european descended from the early Saxon, Norman, and Scandinavian 
migrations.

J&H.

>Svenne

"Je|<ݬ¬ & µÝÐe" <jekyll&hyde@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:48f51608$1@news01.wxnz.net...

> I would have thought it's common knowledge that "English" meant a white 
> european descended from the early Saxon, Norman, and Scandinavian 
> migrations.

The Normans didn't 'migrate',  they launched an invasion.

It looks like Celts aren't English in your opinion either...

And the place is called 'England'.  Which group do you think it's named 
after?

I'll give you a  clue,  it isn't anyone you mentioned...

Oh yes,  and what about the Romans?

Then there's all those French Protestants,  Jews for the past three hundred 
and fifty years and an assortment of people from just about all over the 
world going back so far as to make your head spin.

I can find examples of Ethiopians fighting for Cromwell,  Italians in 
sixteenth century Portsmouth and London,  fifteenth century Lithuanians in 
Hull and an assortment of others.

Except you say they're not 'English'.

As a general rule people accept as 'English' someone who can trace their 
ancestors back to about the time they themselves can trace their ancestors 
back.

The English are mongrels,  that's what makes them special...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
news:6lkicpFcsrhsU1@mid.individual.net...

> The facts you quoted above show the Richardsons to be quite competent 
> criminals. Nor do I recall them murdering anyone for their smart shoes. 
> And, of course, there was the added benefit of their only being one such 
> gang, not one per postcode (minimum), so the danger of coming into contact 
> with the scum was negligible.

Two gangs.

The Krays and the Richardsons had something of a falling out.

> BTW, I see you didn't tell me where the Chinese posses hang out...
> Or are all ethnic minorities not equal when it comes to fuck stupid 
> criminality?

What ever happened to all that 'brown sugar' the Triads were supposed to be 
flogging?

The Chinese have gangsters as well...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Oct 14, 2:29 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax 
wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> > "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message
> >news:6lk7n9FcrnbqU2@mid.individual.net...
> >> William Black wrote:
> >>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message
> >>>news:6lk2ulFcka84U1@mid.individual.net...
> >>>> William Black wrote:
> >>>>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message
> >>>>>news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>>>>> jake wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
> >>>>>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
> >>>>>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of
> >>>>>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
> >>>>> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
> >>>> Today's England.
> >>> Not too bad where I live.
>
> >>> We do get the occasional 'naughty boy', but very little outright villainy
> >>> is apparent.
>
> >>> Perhaps you should either move or stop reading the Daily Mail
> >> S London is tomorrow's model of England.
> >> A view of the future.
>
> > I remember when 'South London' meant white,  working class and prone to
> > unprovoked violence.
>
> > I gather that all that has changed is the colour...
>
> Not at all.
> It's the degree of the violence, its motivation and in most cases its
> incompetence and stupidity.
> I'd like to know where all the Chinese posses are - they're clearly not
> hanging around the shops with their postcode homies.
>
> --
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5- Our podcasts on weird stuff- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-warfare-breaks-out-in-londons-chinatown-644305.html

"We were very concerned because this is the first time in
 20 years that firearms have been associated with crime in
 the Chinese community," said a police source.

"These gangs tend to be affiliated to different parts of the
 South-east Asian community. Their criminal activity ...
 centres round credit-card fraud, gambling and money-laundering."

Sounds like they are part of the financial sector, Dirk.

Max

"Je|<ݬ¬ & µÝÐe" <jekyll&hyde@gmail.com> wrote in
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>  wrote in message 
> news:3523bbf5-8d9d-42a7-bc99-7e3907450510@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com.
> .. On 14 Oct, 18:04, White Spirit  wrote:
>> I cracked my rib recently, necessitating a telephone call to NHS
>> Direct. During the course of the conversation, I was asked to answer
>> the question: 'How would you describe your ethnic background?'
> 
>> I immediately replied, 'English', to which the person on the
>> telephone replied, 'But is that "Asian", "Black" or what?' I repeated
>> to him, 'No, I am English'. After a further necessary repetition, he
>> stated that it doesn't describe my ethnic background because one can
>> be black English, or Asian English etc.
> 
>> I found it quite startling that he could be so ignorant.
> 
>>If you wouldn't tell him what your ethnic background was, how could
>>you expect him to help you properly?
> 
> What a crock of shite. "well, I am Urglur, great, great, great, great,
> great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great,
> great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great,
> grandson of Horsvald the Horned, therefore I am "Norsk English".
> 
>>England is a hotch potch of immigrants that have washed over the
>>British isles over the centuries, Angles, Saxons, Danes, Jamaicans,
>>Indians, Muslims, they're all part of what together make up the
>>English. Some Englishmen have a strong identity as Muslims or
>>Jamaicans or Afghanis, some are unsure of their ethnicity.
> 
> How nice of you to welcome invasions and unwelcome immigrations on
> everyone elses behalf. Don't forget the Romans, Spanish et.al. too.
> I would have thought it's common knowledge that "English" meant a
> white european descended from the early Saxon, Norman, and
> Scandinavian migrations.
> 
It may be common belief but it's certainly not 'knowledge'. Genetic 
studies suggest that most of the population of these islands are 
descended from the people who were here before any of the interlopers you 
mention above arrived.

>>>
>>> They'd have said 'British',  not 'English'.
>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
> 
> Have you considered professional help?

Willie, it appears that you are much in need of some cultural re-education.

R

White Spirit wrote:
> jake wrote:
> 
>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
> 
> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of 
> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.

Willie appears to be one of that type even if you have not met him.

R

William Black wrote:
> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> jake wrote:
>>
>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of Englishman 
>> who don't even identify with being English.
> 
> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?

Sometimes Willie you are unbelievably bloody stupid.

R
> 
>

> 
> Not too bad where I live.
> 
In other words 'Fuck you Jack, I am OK'.

Apparently all too typical of the 'thought' processes of the modern 
resident in the British Isles.

R

William Black wrote:
> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
> news:6lkicpFcsrhsU1@mid.individual.net...
> 
>> The facts you quoted above show the Richardsons to be quite competent 
>> criminals. Nor do I recall them murdering anyone for their smart shoes. 
>> And, of course, there was the added benefit of their only being one such 
>> gang, not one per postcode (minimum), so the danger of coming into contact 
>> with the scum was negligible.
> 
> Two gangs.
> 
> The Krays and the Richardsons had something of a falling out.
> 
>> BTW, I see you didn't tell me where the Chinese posses hang out...
>> Or are all ethnic minorities not equal when it comes to fuck stupid 
>> criminality?
> 
> What ever happened to all that 'brown sugar' the Triads were supposed to be 
> flogging?

Probably good stuff.

> The Chinese have gangsters as well...

I'm sure they do, but I have yet to hear of anyone being casually 
murdered for looking at them "the wrong way" in the street, or shot 
because someone told one of them that smoking was not permitted. In 
other words, there may well be Chinese gangsters but they aren't stupid 
fuckwits.

-- 
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

Max Muir wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2:29 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax 
> wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message
>>> news:6lk7n9FcrnbqU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> "Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:6lk2ulFcka84U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>>>> jake wrote:
>>>>>>>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>>>>>>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>>>>>>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of
>>>>>>>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
>>>>>>> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
>>>>>> Today's England.
>>>>> Not too bad where I live.
>>>>> We do get the occasional 'naughty boy', but very little outright villainy
>>>>> is apparent.
>>>>> Perhaps you should either move or stop reading the Daily Mail
>>>> S London is tomorrow's model of England.
>>>> A view of the future.
>>> I remember when 'South London' meant white,  working class and prone to
>>> unprovoked violence.
>>> I gather that all that has changed is the colour...
>> Not at all.
>> It's the degree of the violence, its motivation and in most cases its
>> incompetence and stupidity.
>> I'd like to know where all the Chinese posses are - they're clearly not
>> hanging around the shops with their postcode homies.
>>
>> --
>> Dirk
>>
>> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/- Transcendence UKhttp://www.theconsensus.org/- A UK political partyhttp://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5- Our podcasts on weird stuff- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-warfare-breaks-out-in-londons-chinatown-644305.html
> 
> "We were very concerned because this is the first time in
>  20 years that firearms have been associated with crime in
>  the Chinese community," said a police source.
> 
> "These gangs tend to be affiliated to different parts of the
>  South-east Asian community. Their criminal activity ...
>  centres round credit-card fraud, gambling and money-laundering."
> 
> Sounds like they are part of the financial sector, Dirk.

Yes - the Chinese do tend towards accountancy rather than street 
mugging. Even their criminals are smart. If I see a group of rowdy young 
Chinese males walking towards me late in the evening I don't worry. 
Can't say that about some other ethnic groups.

-- 
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:14:08 -0700 (PDT), tvaerskaegg@aol.com wrote:

>On 14 Oct, 18:04, White Spirit  wrote:
>> I cracked my rib recently, necessitating a telephone call to NHS Direct.
>>   During the course of the conversation, I was asked to answer the
>> question: 'How would you describe your ethnic background?'
>
>> I immediately replied, 'English', to which the person on the telephone
>> replied, 'But is that "Asian", "Black" or what?'  I repeated to him,
>> 'No, I am English'.  After a further necessary repetition, he stated
>> that it doesn't describe my ethnic background because one can be black
>> English, or Asian English etc.
>
>> I found it quite startling that he could be so ignorant.
>
>If you wouldn't tell him what your ethnic background was, how could
>you expect him to help you properly?
>
>England is a hotch potch of immigrants that have washed over the
>British isles over the centuries, Angles, Saxons, Danes, Jamaicans,
>Indians, Muslims, they're all part of what together make up the
>English. Some Englishmen have a strong identity as Muslims or
>Jamaicans or Afghanis, some are unsure of their ethnicity.
>
>You  obviously fall into the latter category and should have described
>your self as "Nonedescript." This would probably satisfied your
>inquisitor and he could have marked you down as a mongrel nonentity
>with no distinguishing or interesting profile in the rich
>multicultural tapestry of immigrants that has always made up England
>and the English.
>
>Svenne

You've been watching too much BBC.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:31:05 +0100, "William Black"
 wrote:

>
>"Je|<ݬ¬ & µÝÐe" <jekyll&hyde@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>news:48f51608$1@news01.wxnz.net...
>
>> I would have thought it's common knowledge that "English" meant a white 
>> european descended from the early Saxon, Norman, and Scandinavian 
>> migrations.
>
>The Normans didn't 'migrate',  they launched an invasion.
>
>It looks like Celts aren't English in your opinion either...
>
>And the place is called 'England'.  Which group do you think it's named 
>after?
>
>I'll give you a  clue,

How can the clueless give anyone a clue!
Basically crocks of any old shite are boiled up by people like Black
to help the annihilation of the indeginious  peoples of these Isles.

You try this trick in more or less any other country on Earth and
you'd get the hefty kick up the arse you deserve.

I'm NOT  English btw.

William Black wrote:

>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of Englishman 
>> who don't even identify with being English.

> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?

Can you possibly think it a good thing that English people don't have 
any awareness of their cultural identity?  Of course you could - you're 
a liberal ;)

Baiting aside, I find it shocking not just that people in England are 
losing their sense of identity but that it is actively being encouraged 
by the establishment.  This damage is but one step necessary to bring 
about their aims - replacement of British society with a would-be 
multicultural utopia, with England bearing the brunt.  So we have the 
situation today where, increasingly, people are being misled by the idea 
that English culture is inherently racist.  The down-side is obvious to 
all those who don't subscribe the idea that our culture is racist or 
must be eradicated in order for equality to exist.

William Black wrote:

> I remember when 'South London' meant white,  working class and prone to 
> unprovoked violence.

> I gather that all that has changed is the colour...

No, that is not all that has changed, but if you think that South London 
is bad (many parts are, in fact, very nice), give North London a try. 
One big multicultural ghetto.

Perhaps you feel at home walking around multicultural areas of England. 
  I don't.  I suppose that makes me racist?

tvaerskaegg@aol.com wrote:

> If you wouldn't tell him what your ethnic background was, how could
> you expect him to help you properly?

I did tell him my ethnic background.

> England is a hotch potch of immigrants that have washed over the
> British isles over the centuries, Angles, Saxons, Danes,

Which, collectively, have culminated in the English.  Learn some history 
before you declare yourself professor.

> Jamaicans,
> Indians, Muslims, they're all part of what together make up the
> English.

They are Jamaican, Indian or whatever else, but not English.

The rest of your pathetic trolling has been snipped.

William Black wrote:

> "Je|<ݬ¬ & µÝÐe" <jekyll&hyde@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:48f51608$1@news01.wxnz.net...

>> I would have thought it's common knowledge that "English" meant a white 
>> european descended from the early Saxon, Norman, and Scandinavian 
>> migrations.

> The Normans didn't 'migrate',  they launched an invasion.

Hence the aristocracy.

> It looks like Celts aren't English in your opinion either...

Of course not - they're Irish, Scottish, Welsh or Breton.

> And the place is called 'England'.  Which group do you think it's named 
> after?

> I'll give you a  clue,  it isn't anyone you mentioned...

The Angles, Jutes, Saxons and Normans all came from the same stock.

> Oh yes,  and what about the Romans?

They fled, remember?

> Then there's all those French Protestants,  Jews for the past three hundred 
> and fifty years and an assortment of people from just about all over the 
> world going back so far as to make your head spin.

The Jews have ever stuck to themselves.

> I can find examples of Ethiopians fighting for Cromwell,  Italians in 
> sixteenth century Portsmouth and London,  fifteenth century Lithuanians in 
> Hull and an assortment of others.

> Except you say they're not 'English'.

> As a general rule people accept as 'English' someone who can trace their 
> ancestors back to about the time they themselves can trace their ancestors 
> back.

> The English are mongrels,  that's what makes them special...

In the past, we have previously assimilated immigrants, culturally and 
ethnically.  The levels of immigration we are facing now are 
unprecedented.  In the near future, we truly will be a mongrel race, and 
there is nothing special in that.  Neo-Marxist multi-cultists talk about 
diversity but there won't be much ethnic diversity in Britain when 
everyone has brown hair, brown eyes and coffee-coloured skin.

Lou Ravi wrote:

> This being said, I would have told them to sod off. While ethnicity can 
> have an influence on certain conditions, or the likelihood of them, they 
> are pretty few and far between. 

In future, perhaps my response should be 'Anglo-Saxon' - not that it 
matters much when you have a cracked rib.

Je|<ݬ¬ & µÝÐe wrote:

> No, the driver for immigration is the capitalist need for growth, to feed 
> the greed.
> All western democracies are guilty of it.

That has been true in the past because it is a quick fix for certain 
economic conditions where the government would rather plaster over the 
cracks.  Now, however, immigration is actively being sought in order to 
change the nature of our society.

"Roger Dewhurst"  wrote in message 
news:gd389c$l33$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
>>>>
>>>> They'd have said 'British',  not 'English'.
>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>
>> Have you considered professional help?
>
> Willie, it appears that you are much in need of some cultural 
> re-education.
>

Well no.

I'm not...

But help is available...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Roger Dewhurst"  wrote in message 
news:gd38bf$l33$2@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> White Spirit wrote:
>> jake wrote:
>>
>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>
>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of Englishman 
>> who don't even identify with being English.
>
> Willie appears to be one of that type even if you have not met him.
>

I'm British it says so on my passport.

I'm reasonably proud of being a Yorkshireman.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Roger Dewhurst"  wrote in message 
news:gd38dd$l33$3@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> William Black wrote:
>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>> news:gd2j99$gst$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> jake wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
>>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
>>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
>>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of 
>>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
>>
>> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
>
> Sometimes Willie you are unbelievably bloody stupid.
>

Oh dear.

And the 'down side' is what exactly?

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Roger Dewhurst"  wrote in message 
news:gd38io$le5$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>
>>
>> Not too bad where I live.
>>
> In other words 'Fuck you Jack, I am OK'.
>

Make some money and move somewhere nice.

It's not that difficult.

After all,  I did it...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
news:gd4fho$9ln$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> William Black wrote:
>
>> I remember when 'South London' meant white,  working class and prone to 
>> unprovoked violence.
>
>> I gather that all that has changed is the colour...
>
> No, that is not all that has changed, but if you think that South London 
> is bad (many parts are, in fact, very nice), give North London a try. One 
> big multicultural ghetto.
>
> Perhaps you feel at home walking around multicultural areas of England. I 
> don't.  I suppose that makes me racist?

I feel at home walking about in the slums of Bombay,  and I'm usually the 
only white person for a mile.

'Feeling comfortable' about your environment is a state of mind.

If you're scared then you're scared.

Learn to live with your fear...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:

> I feel at home walking about in the slums of Bombay,  and I'm usually the 
> only white person for a mile.

> 'Feeling comfortable' about your environment is a state of mind.

> If you're scared then you're scared.

> Learn to live with your fear...

The feeling of discomfort is caused by the knowledge that our country is 
being handed over to migrants in order for the liberal elite to bring 
about their vision of utopia.

With regard to fear - if the mad immigration policies have led to 
increasing numbers of areas becoming dangerous, fear is something a lot 
more people are going to have to live with day by day.  Do you happen to 
recall Jacqui Smith employing a bodyguard when she went to Peckham not 
so long ago?  That was unheard of in the 1970s in South London; so much 
for that example, which you trot out with tedious regularity.

"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
news:gd4gbo$fic$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> William Black wrote:
>

>> It looks like Celts aren't English in your opinion either...
>
> Of course not - they're Irish, Scottish, Welsh or Breton.

Well no.

Modern research seems to indicate that most of them stayed.

Oh yes,  and that 'Celtic' wasn't an ethnicity at all,  but more like a 
culture.

>
>> And the place is called 'England'.  Which group do you think it's named 
>> after?
>
>> I'll give you a  clue,  it isn't anyone you mentioned...
>
> The Angles, Jutes, Saxons and Normans all came from the same stock.

Goodness no.

The Jutes seem to have been indigenous,  the Normans were of Viking stock 
and so probably came from a 'migration period' group from somewhere near the 
Black Sea.  The Saxons were a confederation and the Angles seem to have been 
central Asian who entered Northern Germany during the migration period.

Chances are that there were minor physical differences between all these 
groups when they arrived.

>> Oh yes,  and what about the Romans?
>
> They fled, remember?

Oh dear.

No.

The legions withdrew.

The veterans who'd been given grants of land remained and an answer to a 
letter for 'the elders of Briton' answering their request  for military aid 
is well known.

>> Then there's all those French Protestants,  Jews for the past three 
>> hundred and fifty years and an assortment of people from just about all 
>> over the world going back so far as to make your head spin.
>
> The Jews have ever stuck to themselves.

Could you expand on that please?

>> I can find examples of Ethiopians fighting for Cromwell,  Italians in 
>> sixteenth century Portsmouth and London,  fifteenth century Lithuanians 
>> in Hull and an assortment of others.
>
>> Except you say they're not 'English'.
>
>> As a general rule people accept as 'English' someone who can trace their 
>> ancestors back to about the time they themselves can trace their 
>> ancestors back.
>
>> The English are mongrels,  that's what makes them special...
>
> In the past, we have previously assimilated immigrants, culturally and 
> ethnically.  The levels of immigration we are facing now are 
> unprecedented.  In the near future, we truly will be a mongrel race, and 
> there is nothing special in that.  Neo-Marxist multi-cultists talk about 
> diversity but there won't be much ethnic diversity in Britain when 
> everyone has brown hair, brown eyes and coffee-coloured skin.

And your expectation of the timescales involved?

The reality is that about a third of the ethnic minorities marry outside 
their own ethnic group.

The Anglo Indian (both Protestant and Catholic) community has been almost 
absorbed in the past half century and,  as a general rule,  they've just 
about disappeared into the community.  We're not talking about a few 
thousand here.  It is believed that about half a million Christian Indians 
moved to the UK from India between 1947 and 1962, when the Commonwealth 
Immigration Act was passed.

An Anglo Indian friend of mine has blond grandchildren.  They're 
indistinguishable from the majority community in every way.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
news:gd4lmo$h8j$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> William Black wrote:
>
>> I feel at home walking about in the slums of Bombay,  and I'm usually the 
>> only white person for a mile.
>
>> 'Feeling comfortable' about your environment is a state of mind.
>
>> If you're scared then you're scared.
>
>> Learn to live with your fear...
>
> The feeling of discomfort is caused by the knowledge that our country is 
> being handed over to migrants in order for the liberal elite to bring 
> about their vision of utopia.
>
> With regard to fear - if the mad immigration policies have led to 
> increasing numbers of areas becoming dangerous, fear is something a lot 
> more people are going to have to live with day by day.  Do you happen to 
> recall Jacqui Smith employing a bodyguard when she went to Peckham not so 
> long ago?  That was unheard of in the 1970s in South London; so much for 
> that example, which you trot out with tedious regularity.

So Jacqui Smith is a physical coward as well as you.

Who cares?

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:

> So Jacqui Smith is a physical coward as well as you.

> Who cares?

Typical William Black response - resort to insinuation and petty insults 
when he can't prove his argument.

William Black wrote:

> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
> news:gd4gbo$fic$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> William Black wrote:

>>> It looks like Celts aren't English in your opinion either...
>> Of course not - they're Irish, Scottish, Welsh or Breton.

> Well no.

> Modern research seems to indicate that most of them stayed.

> Oh yes,  and that 'Celtic' wasn't an ethnicity at all,  but more like a 
> culture.

The last research that was carried out showed by DNA evidence that the 
Anglo-Saxons overran England and even areas in Britain that were thought 
to be ethnically Celtic.  It even prompted the BBC to write a news 
article accusing our ancestors of ethnic cleansing.  It's somewhat 
strange for you to say that Celtic doesn't denote an ethnicity given 
that it is possible to trace their migration via DNA strands.

>>> And the place is called 'England'.  Which group do you think it's named 
>>> after?

>>> I'll give you a  clue,  it isn't anyone you mentioned...

>> The Angles, Jutes, Saxons and Normans all came from the same stock.

> Goodness no.

> The Jutes seem to have been indigenous,  the Normans were of Viking stock 
> and so probably came from a 'migration period' group from somewhere near the 
> Black Sea.  The Saxons were a confederation and the Angles seem to have been 
> central Asian who entered Northern Germany during the migration period.

Incorrect.

>>> Oh yes,  and what about the Romans?

>> They fled, remember?

> Oh dear.

> No.

> The legions withdrew.

> The veterans who'd been given grants of land remained and an answer to a 
> letter for 'the elders of Briton' answering their request  for military aid 
> is well known.

Well, presumably if our ancestors engaged in ethnic cleansing, as your 
beloved BBC attest, no trace of them remains in our DNA.

>>> Then there's all those French Protestants,  Jews for the past three 
>>> hundred and fifty years and an assortment of people from just about all 
>>> over the world going back so far as to make your head spin.

>> The Jews have ever stuck to themselves.

> Could you expand on that please?

Visit Golders Green or Stamford Bridge ('Planet Jewpiter').

>> In the past, we have previously assimilated immigrants, culturally and 
>> ethnically.  The levels of immigration we are facing now are 
>> unprecedented.  In the near future, we truly will be a mongrel race, and 
>> there is nothing special in that.  Neo-Marxist multi-cultists talk about 
>> diversity but there won't be much ethnic diversity in Britain when 
>> everyone has brown hair, brown eyes and coffee-coloured skin.

> And your expectation of the timescales involved?

Based on current trends, around 2060.  Less if certain things brewing in 
the EU come to pass.

> An Anglo Indian friend of mine has blond grandchildren.  They're 
> indistinguishable from the majority community in every way.

As I said, people can be assimilated in just a few generations if the 
numbers aren't too high.

"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
news:gd4ot3$2d6$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> William Black wrote:
>
>> So Jacqui Smith is a physical coward as well as you.
>
>> Who cares?
>
> Typical William Black response - resort to insinuation and petty insults 
> when he can't prove his argument.

Look, you said you're scared to walk about in parts of London.

You produced no evidence that people suffered disproportionate levels of 
attack in that part of London and the inevitable conclusion is that any risk 
is an illusion brought on by your own fear.

Irrational fear of your environment is your problem .  I've spent time in 
both Hounslow and Croydon in the past year,  along with a somewhat shorter 
time in Stoke-on-Trent and central Coventry,  all areas with violence 
problems, without any problems or fear at all.

You're a physical coward,  deal with it...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
news:gd4pdh$76k$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> William Black wrote:

>>> The Jews have ever stuck to themselves.
>
>> Could you expand on that please?
>
> Visit Golders Green or Stamford Bridge ('Planet Jewpiter').

But not Whitechaple or Spitalfields, which they used to dominate...

I wonder why?

>> An Anglo Indian friend of mine has blond grandchildren.  They're 
>> indistinguishable from the majority community in every way.
>
> As I said, people can be assimilated in just a few generations if the 
> numbers aren't too high.

Half a million of them came!

That's a vast number.


-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:

> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
> news:gd4ot3$2d6$1@registered.motzarella.org...

>> William Black wrote:

>>> So Jacqui Smith is a physical coward as well as you.
>>> Who cares?

>> Typical William Black response - resort to insinuation and petty insults 
>> when he can't prove his argument.

> Look, you said you're scared to walk about in parts of London.

That's not what I said.  I said that I feel uncomfortable, for entirely 
different reasons.  I addressed the issue of fear with regard to the 
increased danger brought by immigration, but I did not say that I was 
scared to walk about in those areas.

> You produced no evidence that people suffered disproportionate levels of 
> attack in that part of London and the inevitable conclusion is that any risk 
> is an illusion brought on by your own fear.

Home Office statistics speak for themselves, particularly with regard to 
gun and knife crime.  Nine percent of the population of London commit 
forty-five percent of all knife and gun crimes.  Nine percent of the 
population of London commit seventy-nine percent of all violent crimes.

> Irrational fear of your environment is your problem .  I've spent time in 
> both Hounslow and Croydon in the past year,  along with a somewhat shorter 
> time in Stoke-on-Trent and central Coventry,  all areas with violence 
> problems, without any problems or fear at all.

I don't fear these environments - I simply dislike them and what they 
represent.  With regard to your comments about physical cowardice and 
dealing with fear - tell that to some of the women I know who were 
mugged at knife-point near where I used to live.  Even better - tell 
that to the attackers.

William Black wrote:

> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
> news:gd4pdh$76k$1@registered.motzarella.org...

>> William Black wrote:

>>>> The Jews have ever stuck to themselves.

>>> Could you expand on that please?

>> Visit Golders Green or Stamford Bridge ('Planet Jewpiter').

> But not Whitechaple or Spitalfields, which they used to dominate...

> I wonder why?

Because they have been forced out by the Bangladeshis and Pakistanis.

>>> An Anglo Indian friend of mine has blond grandchildren.  They're 
>>> indistinguishable from the majority community in every way.

>> As I said, people can be assimilated in just a few generations if the 
>> numbers aren't too high.

> Half a million of them came!

> That's a vast number.

Not too much to assimilate.  How many millions of migrants have entered 
in total since then?

"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
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> William Black wrote:

>> You produced no evidence that people suffered disproportionate levels of 
>> attack in that part of London and the inevitable conclusion is that any 
>> risk is an illusion brought on by your own fear.
>
> Home Office statistics speak for themselves, particularly with regard to 
> gun and knife crime.  Nine percent of the population of London commit 
> forty-five percent of all knife and gun crimes.  Nine percent of the 
> population of London commit seventy-nine percent of all violent crimes.

That sounds a bit odd.

Are you saying that 9% of a city with a population of over 8,000,000 are 
violent criminals.

That's something over 700,000 people.

>> Irrational fear of your environment is your problem .  I've spent time in 
>> both Hounslow and Croydon in the past year,  along with a somewhat 
>> shorter time in Stoke-on-Trent and central Coventry,  all areas with 
>> violence problems, without any problems or fear at all.
>
> I don't fear these environments - I simply dislike them and what they 
> represent.  With regard to your comments about physical cowardice and 
> dealing with fear - tell that to some of the women I know who were mugged 
> at knife-point near where I used to live.  Even better - tell that to the 
> attackers.

As I said,  your physical cowardice is your problem.

It's nothing to be ashamed of.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"White Spirit"  wrote in message 
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> William Black wrote:
>
>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>> news:gd4pdh$76k$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
>>> William Black wrote:
>
>>>>> The Jews have ever stuck to themselves.
>
>>>> Could you expand on that please?
>
>>> Visit Golders Green or Stamford Bridge ('Planet Jewpiter').
>
>> But not Whitechaple or Spitalfields, which they used to dominate...
>
>> I wonder why?
>
> Because they have been forced out by the Bangladeshis and Pakistanis.

Ho ho ho...

 And it's Stamford Hill not Stamford Bridge,  which is,  I think,  a 
football stadium...

You couldn't make it up.

>
>>>> An Anglo Indian friend of mine has blond grandchildren.  They're 
>>>> indistinguishable from the majority community in every way.
>
>>> As I said, people can be assimilated in just a few generations if the 
>>> numbers aren't too high.
>
>> Half a million of them came!
>
>> That's a vast number.
>
> Not too much to assimilate.  How many millions of migrants have entered in 
> total since then?

Not that many.

About a million and a half from South Asia and the Middle East.

About five hundred thousand of those are Hindu from India and don't seem to 
cause a problem.  About two hundred thousand are Sikhs who aren't that much 
of a problem.

The rest are Muslims from an assortment of places,  mainly ex colonies which 
places 'an obligation' (as defined by the UN) on the UK, and who do cause a 
problem,  but that's religious rather than anything else.

There's also a couple of million assorted EC migrant workers who seem to be 
packing up and going home now.  Obviously some will stay,  but not that many 
now things are getting bad.

The next major influx I expect will be Slavic,  from Russia and people from 
the 'Stans'.  Fortunately we have no 'colonial legacy' there and so won't 
feel obliged to let them in...

On the other hand if the BJP/Shiv Sena win next year's election in India and 
the Pope appeals for Europe to open the gates to all the Christians fleeing 
the inevitable and promised persecution from there then we'll have about 60 
million people who speak reasonable English to absorb,  (and guess where 
they'll go because they speak the language) which will be entertaining...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:

> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
> news:gd4qaf$cip$1@registered.motzarella.org...

>> William Black wrote:

>>> You produced no evidence that people suffered disproportionate levels of 
>>> attack in that part of London and the inevitable conclusion is that any 
>>> risk is an illusion brought on by your own fear.

>> Home Office statistics speak for themselves, particularly with regard to 
>> gun and knife crime.  Nine percent of the population of London commit 
>> forty-five percent of all knife and gun crimes.  Nine percent of the 
>> population of London commit seventy-nine percent of all violent crimes.

> That sounds a bit odd.

> Are you saying that 9% of a city with a population of over 8,000,000 are 
> violent criminals.

> That's something over 700,000 people.

Perhaps I should have worded it better:

Forty-five percent of all knife and gun crimes are committed by an 
ethnic group that represents nine percent of the population.

Seventy-nine percent of all violent crimes are committed by an ethnic 
group that represents nine percent of the population.

>>> Irrational fear of your environment is your problem .  I've spent time in 
>>> both Hounslow and Croydon in the past year,  along with a somewhat 
>>> shorter time in Stoke-on-Trent and central Coventry,  all areas with 
>>> violence problems, without any problems or fear at all.

>> I don't fear these environments - I simply dislike them and what they 
>> represent.  With regard to your comments about physical cowardice and 
>> dealing with fear - tell that to some of the women I know who were mugged 
>> at knife-point near where I used to live.  Even better - tell that to the 
>> attackers.

> As I said,  your physical cowardice is your problem.

> It's nothing to be ashamed of.

The people exhibiting cowardice are those carrying - and using - guns 
and knives.  They certainly have something to feel ashamed of.

"William Black"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Roger Dewhurst"  wrote in message 
> news:gd38io$le5$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
>>
>>>
>>> Not too bad where I live.
>>>
>> In other words 'Fuck you Jack, I am OK'.
>>
>
> Make some money and move somewhere nice.
>
> It's not that difficult.
>
> After all,  I did it...
>
> -- 
> William Black


What, to Bombay, is that where the call centre relocated too then?

snigger

Redman

On 2008-10-15 16:52:18 +0100, White Spirit  said:

> William Black wrote:
> 
>> "White Spirit"  wrote in message 
>> news:gd4qaf$cip$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> 
>>> William Black wrote:
> 
>>>> You produced no evidence that people suffered disproportionate levels 
>>>> of attack in that part of London and the inevitable conclusion is that 
>>>> any risk is an illusion brought on by your own fear.
> 
>>> Home Office statistics speak for themselves, particularly with regard 
>>> to gun and knife crime.  Nine percent of the population of London 
>>> commit forty-five percent of all knife and gun crimes.  Nine percent of 
>>> the population of London commit seventy-nine percent of all violent 
>>> crimes.
> 
>> That sounds a bit odd.
> 
>> Are you saying that 9% of a city with a population of over 8,000,000 
>> are violent criminals.
> 
>> That's something over 700,000 people.
> 
> Perhaps I should have worded it better:
> 
> Forty-five percent of all knife and gun crimes are committed by an 
> ethnic group that represents nine percent of the population.
> 
> Seventy-nine percent of all violent crimes are committed by an ethnic 
> group that represents nine percent of the population.

I can't find that statistic anywhere, can you link to the page please?

On Oct 15, 12:31 pm, "William Black" 
wrote:
>>
> Make some money and move somewhere nice.
>
> It's not that difficult.
>
> After all,  I did it...
>

Isn't that a bit of a racist remark, William?
Are you saying that you've moved away from areas with high numbers of
immigrants?

On Oct 15, 12:30 pm, "William Black" 
wrote:
> "Roger Dewhurst"  wrote in message
>
>>
> >>>> That's right. One is not allowed to say anything which might show that
> >>>> the English exist any more. Unless of course it's a foreigner. What's
> >>>> a foreigner - why anyone who's white. Welcome to New Britain.
> >>> It has reached the point that I have met increasing numbers of
> >>> Englishman who don't even identify with being English.
>
> >> And what exactly do you see as the down-side to this?
>
> > Sometimes Willie you are unbelievably bloody stupid.
>
> Oh dear.
>
> And the 'down side' is what exactly?
>

A lack of identity is quite a serious thing. If we don't have a strong
identity and a pride
in our culture and heritage then we will begin to see our young people
take up their
own identity. For instance, Muslims feel alienated from the majority
culture, they've
always felt like outsiders, so they've forged a strong identity and
loyalty to Islam and
(often) Pakistan/or their country of origin. That's a problem.
In the same way, ethnic English young people need a strong sense of
identity otherwise they
will start to find their own identity. It's a tribal thing and I don't
think it's possible to
ignore it. The tribal instinct will surface sooner or later. We all
need to belong.

You seem to be saying that there can be Asians, blacks, and Chinese
etc. etc.
but there can't be "English". The ethnic English don't exist anymore??
Are we simply "white British" now? That includes Poles, I suppose?
Don't we deserve a little more recognition than to be lumped in with
East Europeans??

What about Scots, William? Do you object to Scots calling themselves
Scots?
Or the Welsh? Is it only the English who must be "British"?

On Oct 14, 7:29 pm, "Lou Ravi"  wrote:
> White Spirit wrote:
>
> > I found it quite startling that he could be so ignorant.  Clearly, the
> > neo-Marxists have got him convinced that there is no ethnic English
> > group
>
> There are lots of them.

Lots of ethnic English groups??
There is one ethnic English group, and there are lots of British
people of other ethnic origins.  That's why they are known as ethnic
minorities. They tend not to call themselves English,
as they regard English as an ethnic term eg. white. It's general only
white liberals
who call the ethnic English "white British". Blacks/Asians themselves
are not so
silly.

On Oct 15, 12:34 pm, "William Black" 
wrote:
>>
>
> I feel at home walking about in the slums of Bombay,  and I'm usually the
> only white person for a mile.
>
> 'Feeling comfortable' about your environment is a state of mind.
>
> If you're scared then you're scared.
>
> Learn to live with your fear...
>

Didn't you just give someone the advice to move "somewhere nice", just
as you have done??
It seems that you didn't stick around the dodgier parts of the country
for long.
So why didn't you stay and "learn to live with your fear"?

wrote in message 
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On Oct 15, 12:31 pm, "William Black" 
wrote:
>>
> Make some money and move somewhere nice.
>
> It's not that difficult.
>
> After all, I did it...
>

Isn't that a bit of a racist remark, William?
Are you saying that you've moved away from areas with high numbers of
immigrants?

----------------------

What makes you say that areas with large numbers of immigrants aren't nice?

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

wrote in message 
news:801bf6ee-0492-42a2-b78c-dbd7b12be1e5@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 15, 12:34 pm, "William Black" 
wrote:
>>
>
> I feel at home walking about in the slums of Bombay, and I'm usually the
> only white person for a mile.
>
> 'Feeling comfortable' about your environment is a state of mind.
>
> If you're scared then you're scared.
>
> Learn to live with your fear...
>

Didn't you just give someone the advice to move "somewhere nice", just
as you have done??
It seems that you didn't stick around the dodgier parts of the country
for long.
So why didn't you stay and "learn to live with your fear"?

-------------------------------

I lived in large cities for the first half of my life.

I enjoyed the experience.

But as one grows older one prefers a slower pace.


-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

wrote in message 
news:d7118211-baa6-4d22-a646-2ffb0adc2b48@t65g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

A lack of identity is quite a serious thing. If we don't have a strong
identity and a pride
in our culture and heritage then we will begin to see our young people
take up their
own identity. For instance, Muslims feel alienated from the majority
culture, they've
always felt like outsiders, so they've forged a strong identity and
loyalty to Islam and
(often) Pakistan/or their country of origin.

---------------------------

Pakistan isn't somewhere anyone really wants to identify with,  even the 
people who live there doin't like the place very much.

My experience of people of South Asian origin is that they prefer their 
'clan affiliation' to most other 'labels'.

--------------------------


You seem to be saying that there can be Asians, blacks, and Chinese
etc. etc.
but there can't be "English". The ethnic English don't exist anymore??

-------------------------

Did they ever?

-------------------------


What about Scots, William? Do you object to Scots calling themselves
Scots?
Or the Welsh? Is it only the English who must be "British"?

---------------------------

I have no objection to anyone calling themselves 'English'.

I object violently to people using that label as an indicator that they feel 
people who do not have the same back-ground as they have are not entitled to 
live here.

Are Jews 'English'?

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

wrote in message 
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On Oct 14, 7:29 pm, "Lou Ravi"  wrote:
> White Spirit wrote:
>
> > I found it quite startling that he could be so ignorant. Clearly, the
> > neo-Marxists have got him convinced that there is no ethnic English
> > group
>
> There are lots of them.

Lots of ethnic English groups??
There is one ethnic English group, and there are lots of British
people of other ethnic origins.  That's why they are known as ethnic
minorities. They tend not to call themselves English,
as they regard English as an ethnic term eg. white. It's general only
white liberals
who call the ethnic English "white British". Blacks/Asians themselves
are not so
silly.

--------------------------

So how do you define Jews?

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

In article <gd5u2u$7h8$1@registered.motzarella.org>, William Black says...
>
>
> wrote in message 
>news:d7118211-baa6-4d22-a646-2ffb0adc2b48@t65g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>A lack of identity is quite a serious thing. If we don't have a strong
>identity and a pride
>in our culture and heritage then we will begin to see our young p