....would national telephone networks such as Britain's continue to 
operate through landlines?   Would all mobile phones become useless, ie, 
do they all rely ultimately on connections via satellite?  If the 
landline network (or even the mobile network) continued to operate at a 
national level would the internet nonetheless be defunct?

RH

-- 
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"Robert Henderson"  wrote in message
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> ....would national telephone networks such as Britain's continue to
> operate through landlines?   Would all mobile phones become useless, ie,
> do they all rely ultimately on connections via satellite?  If the
> landline network (or even the mobile network) continued to operate at a
> national level would the internet nonetheless be defunct?
>


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On 10 Okt, 12:53, Robert Henderson 
wrote:
> ....would national telephone networks such as Britain's continue to
> operate through landlines?  

 Believe it or not, but when you phone the chap down the road, or even
in a neighbouring townor even a neighbouring country, it doesn't go
via a satellite link very often...

> Would all mobile phones become useless, ie, do they all rely ultimately on connections via satellite?  

No, only the big clunky satphones do. The GSM/3G/DoCoMo etc etc are
all based around cells of radio towers on the ground.
(People keep moaning about them being placed outsides schools etc,
remember?)
It's a bit tricky to get decent talking time and pocket-sized form
factor (not to mention not sterilising your customers) with a mobile
phone that has sufficient wattage to talk to a satellite, you see.

> If the landline network (or even the mobile network) continued to operate at a national level would the internet nonetheless be
> defunct?

The vast majority of internet traffic goes nowhere near a satellite.

>
> RH
>
> --
> Robert Henderson
> Blair Scandal website:http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
> Personal website:http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:53:08 +0100, Robert Henderson wrote:

> ....would national telephone networks such as Britain's continue to
> operate through landlines?   Would all mobile phones become useless, ie,
> do they all rely ultimately on connections via satellite?  If the
> landline network (or even the mobile network) continued to operate at a
> national level would the internet nonetheless be defunct?
> 
> RH

no, big undersea cables, like the ones that mysteriously kept getting cut 
around middle east recently....

Sky and FOX news distribution would be seriously affected though :)

as would military secure comms. and intelligence.

but if someone emp's the satellites, they would probably have subs or 
anchor dragging boats to do the cables as well...

and an emp blast in high atmosphere might take out the cell phone towers 
and landline exchanges if they are not hardened facilities.... depending 
on distance from discharge.

On 10 Okt, 15:18, FriarTuck  wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:53:08 퍝, Robert Henderson wrote:
> > ....would national telephone networks such as Britain's continue to
> > operate through landlines?   Would all mobile phones become useless, ie,
> > do they all rely ultimately on connections via satellite?  If the
> > landline network (or even the mobile network) continued to operate at a
> > national level would the internet nonetheless be defunct?
>
> > RH
>
> no, big undersea cables, like the ones that mysteriously kept getting cut
> around middle east recently....

That was two seperate cables (though physically close), Tucky that
both failed once. And another cable that was shut down by a power
failure. Can't you get ANYTHING right?

And what was mysterious about it? It's an accepted fact that undersea
cables break or get snagged by anchors. There were 50 incidents of
damaged cables in the atlantic alone during 2007...

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:8X7HW4MaodgJ:blogs.wsj.com/biztech/2008/02/06/conspiracy-theories-behind-those-cut-undersea-cables/%3Fmod%3Dgooglenews_wsj멷庮잚阮鮕狫&hl=sv&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=se

Not that I expect factual information to make any difference to your
"opnions"...

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:53:50 -0700, parris_k wrote:

> On 10 Okt, 15:18, FriarTuck  wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:53:08 +0100, Robert Henderson wrote:
>> > ....would national telephone networks such as Britain's continue to
>> > operate through landlines?   Would all mobile phones become useless,
>> > ie, do they all rely ultimately on connections via satellite?  If the
>> > landline network (or even the mobile network) continued to operate at
>> > a national level would the internet nonetheless be defunct?
>>
>> > RH
>>
>> no, big undersea cables, like the ones that mysteriously kept getting
>> cut around middle east recently....
> 
> That was two seperate cables (though physically close), Tucky that both
> failed once. And another cable that was shut down by a power failure.
> Can't you get ANYTHING right?
> 
> And what was mysterious about it? It's an accepted fact that undersea
> cables break or get snagged by anchors. There were 50 incidents of
> damaged cables in the atlantic alone during 2007...
> 
> http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:8X7HW4MaodgJ:blogs.wsj.com/
biztech/2008/02/06/conspiracy-theories-behind-those-cut-undersea-cables/%
3Fmod%3Dgooglenews_wsj+undersea+cables+cut&hl=sv&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=se
> 
> Not that I expect factual information to make any difference to your
> "opnions"...

you and your "facts", they are as dubious as you parris_k...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7222536.stm

[...]

The cause of the break has still not been confirmed. Initial reports 
suggested that it could have been snapped by a ship's anchor.

But Egypt's communications ministry said damage to the cables in the 
Mediterranean was not caused by ships.

The transport ministry said that footage recorded by onshore video 
cameras of the location of the cables showed no maritime traffic in the 
area when the cables were damaged.

Could still use radio it bounces off the ether.

On 10 Okt, 17:57, FriarTuck  wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:53:50 -0700, parris_k wrote:
> > On 10 Okt, 15:18, FriarTuck  wrote:
> >> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:53:08 퍝, Robert Henderson wrote:
> >> > ....would national telephone networks such as Britain's continue to
> >> > operate through landlines?   Would all mobile phones become useless,
> >> > ie, do they all rely ultimately on connections via satellite?  If the
> >> > landline network (or even the mobile network) continued to operate at
> >> > a national level would the internet nonetheless be defunct?
>
> >> > RH
>
> >> no, big undersea cables, like the ones that mysteriously kept getting
> >> cut around middle east recently....
>
> > That was two seperate cables (though physically close), Tucky that both
> > failed once. And another cable that was shut down by a power failure.
> > Can't you get ANYTHING right?
>
> > And what was mysterious about it? It's an accepted fact that undersea
> > cables break or get snagged by anchors. There were 50 incidents of
> > damaged cables in the atlantic alone during 2007...
>
> >http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:8X7HW4MaodgJ:blogs.wsj.com/
>
> biztech/2008/02/06/conspiracy-theories-behind-those-cut-undersea-cables/%
> 3Fmod%3Dgooglenews_wsj멷庮잚阮鮕狫&hl=sv&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=se
>
>
>
> > Not that I expect factual information to make any difference to your
> > "opnions"...
>
> you and your "facts", they are as dubious as you parris_k...


Or rather, uor understanding is as dubious as your understanding of
e.g. fly by wire..

>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7222536.stm
>
> [...]
>
> The cause of the break has still not been confirmed. Initial reports
> suggested that it could have been snapped by a ship's anchor.
>
> But Egypt's communications ministry said damage to the cables in the
> Mediterranean was not caused by ships.
>
> The transport ministry said that footage recorded by onshore video
> cameras of the location of the cables showed no maritime traffic in the
> area when the cables were damaged.

HOw does that contradict anything I posted, chumpy? LOL

count 2 wrote:
> Could still use radio it bounces off the ether.

The ionishphere I think you mean and not all. Short wave is the best (in 
that it can bounce more often and so furthest) FM not at all.