At last, a faint glimmer of light at the end of the Afghan tunnel.

George W. Bush, is probably the most disliked man on earth and
certainly America's worst president in history, who has led his
nation  from disaster to calamity. Only 22% of Americans support Bush.
Half of  them believe Elvis is still alive.

Last week, the U.S.-installed Afghan president, Hamid Karzai,
revealed  he had asked Saudi Arabia to broker peace talks with the
alliance of  tribal and political groups resisting western occupation
collectively  known as the Taliban.

Taliban leader Mullah Omar quickly rejected Karzai's offer and
claimed  the U.S. was headed toward the same kind of catastrophic
defeat in  Afghanistan that the Soviet Union met. The ongoing
financial panic in  North America lent a certain credence to his
words.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2008/10/05/6984116-sun.html
Meanwhile, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David McKiernan,
urgently called for at least 10,000 more troops but, significantly,
also proposed political talks with the Taliban. U.S. and NATO forces
in Afghanistan are increasingly on the defensive, hard pressed to
defend vulnerable supply lines in spite of massive fire power and
total control of the air.

I recently asked Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's former senior
adviser, how this seemingly impossible war could be won. His eyes
dancing with imperial hubris, Rove replied, "More Predators (missile
armed drones) and helicopters!" Which reminded me of poet Hilaire
Belloc's wonderful line about British imperialism, "Whatever happens/
we have got/the Maxim gun (machine gun)/and they have not."

Though Karzai's olive branch was rejected, the fact he made it public
is very important. By doing so, he broke the simple-minded western
taboo against negotiations with the Taliban and its allies.

DRUG FIGHTERS

The Taliban was founded as an Islamic religious movement dedicated to
fighting communism and the drug trade. It received U.S. funding until
May 2001. But western war propaganda has so demonized the Taliban
that  few politicians have the courage to propose the obvious and
inevitable: A negotiated settlement to this pointless seven-year war.
.
Even NATO's secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, said the war
could only be ended by negotiations, not military means.

The Taliban and its allies are mostly Pashtuns (or Pathans), who
comprise half of Afghanistan's population. They have been largely
excluded from political power by the U.S.-backed Kabul regime, which
relies on Tajik and Uzbek ethnic minorities, chiefs of the old Afghan
Communist Party, and the nation's leading drug lords.

Canada, which lacks funds for modern medical care, has spent a
staggering $22 billion to support its little war against the Pashtun
tribes. It's a war which Canada's defence minister actually claimed
is  necessary so that Canadian delegates would be "taken seriously"
at  international meetings. A better path to credibility might be to
not  plagiarize from other right wing leader's speeches.

Ottawa and Washington should listen to Karzai who, despite being a
U.S.-installed "asset," is also a decent man who cares about his
nation. In fact, Ottawa should remember Canada's venerable position
as  an international peacemaker, a role that has made it one of the
world's most respected nations.

Mr. Harper's role model, George W. Bush, is probably the most
disliked  man on earth and certainly America's worst president in
history, who  has led his nation from disaster to calamity. Only 22%
of Americans support Bush. Half of them believe Elvis is still alive.

Taliban are not "terrorists." They  had nothing to do with  9/11
.
 though it did shelter Osama bin Laden, a national hero of the war
against the Soviets. Only a handful of al-Qaida are left in
Afghanistan.

The current war is not really about al-Qaida and "terrorism," but
about opening a secure corridor through Pashtun tribal territory to
export the oil and gas riches of the Caspian Basin to the West. Canada
and the rest of NATO have no business being pipeline protection
troops. Canada's military intervention in Afghanistan has jeopardized
its national security by putting it on the map as an anti-Muslim
nation joined at the hip with Bush and his ruinous policies.

As the great Benjamin Franklin said, "there is no good war, and no
bad  peace."

I hope Ottawa will have the courage to admit it was wrong about
Afghanistan and bring its troops home -- now.

The West would likely have left the Taliban to their own peculiar brand of 
13th century religious extremism if on September 12th, 1991, they had 
arrested the leadership of al Qaeda, and asked the Americans to come and 
pick them up.

"MI Wakefield"  wrote in message 
news:48e9158d$0$10363$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> The West would likely have left the Taliban to their own peculiar brand of 
> 13th century religious extremism if on September 12th, 1991,

Yeah.  I meant 2001.  Duh.

> they had arrested the leadership of al Qaeda, and asked the Americans to 
> come and pick them up.
>

On Oct 6, 9:28 am, "MI Wakefield"  wrote:
.
.
> The West would likely have left the Taliban to their own peculiar brand of
> 13th century religious extremism if on September 12th, 1991, they had
> arrested the leadership of al Qaeda, and asked the Americans to come and
> pick them up.

After 7 years the west has not been able to " arrest " the leaders you
think did 9/11

Yanks are war criminals

They invented WMD and terrorism as an excuse to invade anywhere
anytime using terrorism as a license to behave like mass murderers

Thank GOD yanks have finally bled to death

Yanks have been exposed as useless in Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan

Now they have bankrupted themselves and are trapped in unwinnable wars
for Israel

700 billion bailout and markets are crashing in australia in the first
few minutes of trade this morning

nothing can save the western taxpayers from paying for yanks stupidity

Hey motherfucker !!

First you declared that the greenbacks are junk.

Now you proclaim that Talibans are angels.

Fuck you !

On Oct 6, 6:52 am, kangarooistan  wrote:
> At last, a faint glimmer of light at the end of the Afghan tunnel.
>
> George W. Bush, is probably the most disliked man on earth and
> certainly America's worst president in history, who has led his
> nation  from disaster to calamity. Only 22% of Americans support Bush.
> Half of  them believe Elvis is still alive.
>
> Last week, the U.S.-installed Afghan president, Hamid Karzai,
> revealed  he had asked Saudi Arabia to broker peace talks with the
> alliance of  tribal and political groups resisting western occupation
> collectively  known as the Taliban.
>
> Taliban leader Mullah Omar quickly rejected Karzai's offer and
> claimed  the U.S. was headed toward the same kind of catastrophic
> defeat in  Afghanistan that the Soviet Union met. The ongoing
> financial panic in  North America lent a certain credence to his
> words.http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2008/10/05/6984116-sun.html
> Meanwhile, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David McKiernan,
> urgently called for at least 10,000 more troops but, significantly,
> also proposed political talks with the Taliban. U.S. and NATO forces
> in Afghanistan are increasingly on the defensive, hard pressed to
> defend vulnerable supply lines in spite of massive fire power and
> total control of the air.
>
> I recently asked Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's former senior
> adviser, how this seemingly impossible war could be won. His eyes
> dancing with imperial hubris, Rove replied, "More Predators (missile
> armed drones) and helicopters!" Which reminded me of poet Hilaire
> Belloc's wonderful line about British imperialism, "Whatever happens/
> we have got/the Maxim gun (machine gun)/and they have not."
>
> Though Karzai's olive branch was rejected, the fact he made it public
> is very important. By doing so, he broke the simple-minded western
> taboo against negotiations with the Taliban and its allies.
>
> DRUG FIGHTERS
>
> The Taliban was founded as an Islamic religious movement dedicated to
> fighting communism and the drug trade. It received U.S. funding until
> May 2001. But western war propaganda has so demonized the Taliban
> that  few politicians have the courage to propose the obvious and
> inevitable: A negotiated settlement to this pointless seven-year war.
> .
> Even NATO's secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, said the war
> could only be ended by negotiations, not military means.
>
> The Taliban and its allies are mostly Pashtuns (or Pathans), who
> comprise half of Afghanistan's population. They have been largely
> excluded from political power by the U.S.-backed Kabul regime, which
> relies on Tajik and Uzbek ethnic minorities, chiefs of the old Afghan
> Communist Party, and the nation's leading drug lords.
>
> Canada, which lacks funds for modern medical care, has spent a
> staggering $22 billion to support its little war against the Pashtun
> tribes. It's a war which Canada's defence minister actually claimed
> is  necessary so that Canadian delegates would be "taken seriously"
> at  international meetings. A better path to credibility might be to
> not  plagiarize from other right wing leader's speeches.
>
> Ottawa and Washington should listen to Karzai who, despite being a
> U.S.-installed "asset," is also a decent man who cares about his
> nation. In fact, Ottawa should remember Canada's venerable position
> as  an international peacemaker, a role that has made it one of the
> world's most respected nations.
>
> Mr. Harper's role model, George W. Bush, is probably the most
> disliked  man on earth and certainly America's worst president in
> history, who  has led his nation from disaster to calamity. Only 22%
> of Americans support Bush. Half of them believe Elvis is still alive.
>
> Taliban are not "terrorists." They  had nothing to do with  9/11
> .
>  though it did shelter Osama bin Laden, a national hero of the war
> against the Soviets. Only a handful of al-Qaida are left in
> Afghanistan.
>
> The current war is not really about al-Qaida and "terrorism," but
> about opening a secure corridor through Pashtun tribal territory to
> export the oil and gas riches of the Caspian Basin to the West. Canada
> and the rest of NATO have no business being pipeline protection
> troops. Canada's military intervention in Afghanistan has jeopardized
> its national security by putting it on the map as an anti-Muslim
> nation joined at the hip with Bush and his ruinous policies.
>
> As the great Benjamin Franklin said, "there is no good war, and no
> bad  peace."
>
> I hope Ottawa will have the courage to admit it was wrong about
> Afghanistan and bring its troops home -- now.

On Oct 6, 12:34 pm, pg  wrote:
.
> Hey motherfucker !!
>
> First you declared that the greenbacks are junk.
>
> Now you proclaim that Talibans are angels.
>
> Fuck you !

truth HURTS mate , its not my call , its the call of those who KNOW

i merely agreed from day one , experts took 7 years to ADMIT the truth

you will sooner or later work it out , or bleed to death and remove
yourself from the game

The Australian ASX lost 4% in the first 4 hours trade today , wait
till USA markets open to see what YOU got for YOUR 700 billion

Brig Carleton-Smith is the Commander of 16 Air Assault Brigade which
has just completed its second tour of Afghanistan.

He paid tribute to his forces and told the newspaper . But he stated:
"We're not going to win this war”.

He said it was unrealistic to expect that multinational forces would
be able to wipe out armed bands of insurgents in the country.

The BBC's Martin Patience in Kabul says Brig Carleton-Smith's comments
echo a view commonly-held, if rarely aired, by British military and
diplomatic officials in Afghanistan.

Many believe certain legitimate elements of the Taleban represent the
positions of the Afghan people and so should be a part of the
country's future, says BBC correspondent.

Brig Carleton-Smith is the Commander of 16 Air Assault Brigade which
has just completed its second tour of Afghanistan.

He paid tribute to his forces and told the newspaper they had "taken
the sting out of the Taleban for 2008". But he stated: "We're not
going to win this war”.

He underline that "it's about reducing it to a manageable level of
insurgency that's not a strategic threat and can be managed by the
Afghan army."

Brig Carleton-Smith said the goal was to change how debates were
resolved in the country so that violence was not the first option
considered.

He said: "If the Taleban were prepared to sit on the other side of the
table and talk about a political settlement, then that's precisely the
sort of progress that concludes insurgencies like this. That shouldn't
make people uncomfortable."

Since the start of operations in Afghanistan in 2001, 120 UK military
personnel have been killed. (BBC).-

At last, a faint glimmer of light at the end of the Afghan tunnel.

Last week, the U.S.-installed Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, revealed
he had asked Saudi Arabia to broker peace talks with the alliance of
tribal and political groups resisting western occupation collectively
known as the Taliban.

Taliban leader Mullah Omar quickly rejected Karzai's offer and claimed
the U.S. was headed toward the same kind of catastrophic defeat in
Afghanistan that the Soviet Union met. The ongoing financial panic in
North America lent a certain credence to his words.

Meanwhile, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David McKiernan,
urgently called for at least 10,000 more troops but, significantly,
also proposed political talks with the Taliban. U.S. and NATO forces
in Afghanistan are increasingly on the defensive, hard pressed to
defend vulnerable supply lines in spite of massive fire power and
total control of the air.



Though Karzai's olive branch was rejected, the fact he made it public
is very important. By doing so, he broke the simple-minded western
taboo against negotiations with the Taliban and its allies.

DRUG FIGHTERS

The Taliban was founded as an Islamic religious movement dedicated to
fighting communism and the drug trade.
.
 It received U.S. funding until May 2001. But western war propaganda
has so demonized the Taliban that few politicians have the courage to
propose the obvious and inevitable:
.
 A negotiated settlement to this pointless seven-year war. Even NATO's
secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, said the war could only be
ended by negotiations, not military means.
.
The Taliban and its allies are mostly Pashtuns (or Pathans), who
comprise half of Afghanistan's population.
.
 They have been largely excluded from political power by the U.S.-
backed Kabul regime, which relies on Tajik and Uzbek ethnic
minorities, chiefs of the old Afghan Communist Party, and the nation's
leading drug lords.
.
Canada, which lacks funds for modern medical care, has spent a
staggering $22 billion to support its little war against the Pashtun
tribes. It's a war which Canada's defence minister actually claimed is
necessary so that Canadian delegates would be "taken seriously" at
international meetings. A better path to credibility might be to not
plagiarize from other right wing leader's speeches.

Ottawa and Washington should listen to Karzai who, despite being a
U.S.-installed "asset," is also a decent man who cares about his
nation. In fact, Ottawa should remember Canada's venerable position as
an international peacemaker, a role that has made it one of the
world's most respected nations.

Mr. Harper's role model, George W. Bush, is probably the most disliked
man on earth and certainly America's worst president in history, who
has led his nation from disaster to calamity. Only 22% of Americans
support Bush. Half of them believe Elvis is still alive.
.
The Taliban are not "terrorists." The movement had nothing to do with
9/11 though it did shelter Osama bin Laden, a national hero of the war
against the Soviets. Only a handful of al-Qaida are left in
Afghanistan.
.
The current war is not really about al-Qaida and "terrorism," but
about opening a secure corridor through Pashtun tribal territory to
export the oil and gas riches of the Caspian Basin to the West.
.
 Canada and the rest of NATO have no business being pipeline
protection troops. Canada's military intervention in Afghanistan has
jeopardized its national security by putting it on the map as an anti-
Muslim nation joined at the hip with Bush and his ruinous policies.

As the great Benjamin Franklin said, "there is no good war, and no bad
peace."

I hope Ottawa will have the courage to admit it was wrong about
Afghanistan and bring its troops home -- now.

kangarooistan wrote:
>
> Taliban are not "terrorists." They  had nothing to do with  9/11
> though it did shelter Osama bin Laden,
>
You cannot just gloss over this statement as it is the SOLE REASON THE U.S. 
IS IN AFGHANISTAN. No one, to my knowledge, has ever labeled the Taliban as 
"terrorists". They were arrogant and obstinate in sheltering bin Laden and, 
in doing so, took a political position on the side of the terrorists. That 
was their choice. They were smug and self-righteous about it and the most 
popular thing GW Bush has ever done was the invasion of Afghanistan based on 
that choice. They should have turned him over. They would still be in power 
and their country would not be in ruin.
>
> The current war is not really about al-Qaida and "terrorism," but
> about opening a secure corridor through Pashtun tribal territory to
> export the oil and gas riches
>
This is one of those ridiculous assertions designed to rewrite the history 
of the issue and deflect the topic. To date, despite all the allegations 
about these wars being "about oil", the U.S. and its allies have not 
occupied a single oil well nor taken any oil. To my knowledge, for example, 
Iraq currently has an $80 billion oil revenue surplus, SAVED IN U.S. BANKS, 
while the U.S. spends $1 billion a month of its own money to reconstruct the 
country. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/06/world/main4326313.shtml 
If that's an example of the U.S. going after foreign oil, they must be 
really stupid. Me? I'd freeze the frickin' oil revenue assets until the debt 
was paid back, dontcha think?

kangarooistan1 wrote:
> On Oct 6, 9:28 am, "MI Wakefield"  wrote:
> .
> .
>> The West would likely have left the Taliban to their own peculiar
>> brand of 13th century religious extremism if on September 12th,
>> 1991, they had arrested the leadership of al Qaeda, and asked the
>> Americans to come and pick them up.
>
> After 7 years the west has not been able to " arrest " the leaders you
> think did 9/11
>
> Yanks are war criminals
>
> They invented WMD and terrorism as an excuse to invade anywhere
> anytime using terrorism as a license to behave like mass murderers
>
> Thank GOD yanks have finally bled to death
>
> Yanks have been exposed as useless in Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan
>
> Now they have bankrupted themselves and are trapped in unwinnable wars
> for Israel
>
> 700 billion bailout and markets are crashing in australia in the first
> few minutes of trade this morning
>
>
Awww, poor baby. Perhaps your people shouldn't have tied your assets in so 
closely with American banks, commerce, and trade if you have this disdain 
for those Yanks. Don't your people have ANY principles or are you just 
whores wanting to ride the wave of "Yank" success until it turns around and 
bites you in the ass?

On Oct 7, 2:46 am, "Carl"  wrote:
> kangarooistan1 wrote:
> > On Oct 6, 9:28 am, "MI Wakefield"  wrote:
> > .
> > .
> >> The West would likely have left the Taliban to their own peculiar
> >> brand of 13th century religious extremism if on September 12th,
> >> 1991, they had arrested the leadership of al Qaeda, and asked the
> >> Americans to come and pick them up.
>
> > After 7 years the west has not been able to " arrest " the leaders you
> > think did 9/11
>
> > Yanks are war criminals
>
> > They invented WMD and terrorism as an excuse to invade anywhere
> > anytime using terrorism as a license to behave like mass murderers
>
> > Thank GOD yanks have finally bled to death
>
> > Yanks have been exposed as useless in Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan
>
> > Now they have bankrupted themselves and are trapped in unwinnable wars
> > for Israel
>
> > 700 billion bailout and markets are crashing in australia in the first
> > few minutes of trade this morning
>
> Awww, poor baby. Perhaps your people shouldn't have tied your assets in so
> closely with American banks, commerce, and trade if you have this disdain
> for those Yanks. Don't your people have ANY principles or are you just
> whores wanting to ride the wave of "Yank" success until it turns around and
> bites you in the ass?

Once western taxpayers have been bled to death by USA and Israel they
will leave Afghanistan and Iraq and pay reconstruction costs via oil
price rises for decades

Nobody I know has any exposure to USA markets

We have simply been waiting patiently since 2001 for western taxpayers
to bleed to death and surrender the REAL terrorists to face justice

Once the war is over , THEN we will start rebuilding

No point doing anything until AFTER the war ends

On Oct 6, 9:40 am, kangarooistan1  wrote:
> On Oct 6, 9:28 am, "MI Wakefield"  wrote:
> .
> .
>
> > The West would likely have left the Taliban to their own peculiar brand of
> > 13th century religious extremism if on September 12th, 1991, they had
> > arrested the leadership of al Qaeda, and asked the Americans to come and
> > pick them up.
>
> After 7 years the west has not been able to " arrest " the leaders you
> think did 9/11
>
> Yanks are war criminals
>
> They invented WMD and terrorism as an excuse to invade anywhere
> anytime using terrorism as a license to behave like mass murderers
>
> Thank GOD yanks have finally bled to death
>
> Yanks have been exposed as useless in Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan
>
 Now they have bankrupted themselves and are trapped in unwinnable
wars for Israel
>
> 700 billion bailout and markets are crashing in australia in the first
> few minutes of trade this morning
>
 nothing can save the western taxpayers from paying for yanks
stupidity

On Oct 6, 8:52 am, kangarooistan  wrote:
> At last, a faint glimmer of light at the end of the Afghan tunnel.
>
> George W. Bush, is probably the most disliked man on earth and
> certainly America's worst president in history, who has led his
> nation  from disaster to calamity. Only 22% of Americans support Bush.
> Half of  them believe Elvis is still alive.
>
> Last week, the U.S.-installed Afghan president, Hamid Karzai,
> revealed  he had asked Saudi Arabia to broker peace talks with the
> alliance of  tribal and political groups resisting western occupation
> collectively  known as the Taliban.
>
> Taliban leader Mullah Omar quickly rejected Karzai's offer and
> claimed  the U.S. was headed toward the same kind of catastrophic
> defeat in  Afghanistan that the Soviet Union met. The ongoing
> financial panic in  North America lent a certain credence to his
> words.http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2008/10/05/6984116-sun.html
> Meanwhile, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David McKiernan,
> urgently called for at least 10,000 more troops but, significantly,
> also proposed political talks with the Taliban. U.S. and NATO forces
> in Afghanistan are increasingly on the defensive, hard pressed to
> defend vulnerable supply lines in spite of massive fire power and
> total control of the air.
>
> I recently asked Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's former senior
> adviser, how this seemingly impossible war could be won. His eyes
> dancing with imperial hubris, Rove replied, "More Predators (missile
> armed drones) and helicopters!" Which reminded me of poet Hilaire
> Belloc's wonderful line about British imperialism, "Whatever happens/
> we have got/the Maxim gun (machine gun)/and they have not."
>
> Though Karzai's olive branch was rejected, the fact he made it public
> is very important. By doing so, he broke the simple-minded western
> taboo against negotiations with the Taliban and its allies.
>
> DRUG FIGHTERS
>
> The Taliban was founded as an Islamic religious movement dedicated to
> fighting communism and the drug trade. It received U.S. funding until
> May 2001. But western war propaganda has so demonized the Taliban
> that  few politicians have the courage to propose the obvious and
> inevitable: A negotiated settlement to this pointless seven-year war.
> .
> Even NATO's secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, said the war
> could only be ended by negotiations, not military means.
>
> The Taliban and its allies are mostly Pashtuns (or Pathans), who
> comprise half of Afghanistan's population. They have been largely
> excluded from political power by the U.S.-backed Kabul regime, which
> relies on Tajik and Uzbek ethnic minorities, chiefs of the old Afghan
> Communist Party, and the nation's leading drug lords.
>
> Canada, which lacks funds for modern medical care, has spent a
> staggering $22 billion to support its little war against the Pashtun
> tribes. It's a war which Canada's defence minister actually claimed
> is  necessary so that Canadian delegates would be "taken seriously"
> at  international meetings. A better path to credibility might be to
> not  plagiarize from other right wing leader's speeches.
>
> Ottawa and Washington should listen to Karzai who, despite being a
> U.S.-installed "asset," is also a decent man who cares about his
> nation. In fact, Ottawa should remember Canada's venerable position
> as  an international peacemaker, a role that has made it one of the
> world's most respected nations.
>
> Mr. Harper's role model, George W. Bush, is probably the most
> disliked  man on earth and certainly America's worst president in
> history, who  has led his nation from disaster to calamity. Only 22%
> of Americans support Bush. Half of them believe Elvis is still alive.
>
> Taliban are not "terrorists." They  had nothing to do with  9/11
> .
>  though it did shelter Osama bin Laden, a national hero of the war
> against the Soviets. Only a handful of al-Qaida are left in
> Afghanistan.
>
> The current war is not really about al-Qaida and "terrorism," but
> about opening a secure corridor through Pashtun tribal territory to
> export the oil and gas riches of the Caspian Basin to the West. Canada
> and the rest of NATO have no business being pipeline protection
> troops. Canada's military intervention in Afghanistan has jeopardized
> its national security by putting it on the map as an anti-Muslim
> nation joined at the hip with Bush and his ruinous policies.
>
> As the great Benjamin Franklin said, "there is no good war, and no
> bad  peace."
>
> I hope Ottawa will have the courage to admit it was wrong about
> Afghanistan and bring its troops home -- now.

kangarooistan wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2:46 am, "Carl"  wrote:
>> kangarooistan1 wrote:
>>> On Oct 6, 9:28 am, "MI Wakefield"  wrote:
>>> .
>>> .
>>>> The West would likely have left the Taliban to their own peculiar
>>>> brand of 13th century religious extremism if on September 12th,
>>>> 1991, they had arrested the leadership of al Qaeda, and asked the
>>>> Americans to come and pick them up.
>>
>>> After 7 years the west has not been able to " arrest " the leaders
>>> you think did 9/11
>>
>>> Yanks are war criminals
>>
>>> They invented WMD and terrorism as an excuse to invade anywhere
>>> anytime using terrorism as a license to behave like mass murderers
>>
>>> Thank GOD yanks have finally bled to death
>>
>>> Yanks have been exposed as useless in Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan
>>
>>> Now they have bankrupted themselves and are trapped in unwinnable
>>> wars for Israel
>>
>>> 700 billion bailout and markets are crashing in australia in the
>>> first few minutes of trade this morning
>>
>> Awww, poor baby. Perhaps your people shouldn't have tied your assets
>> in so closely with American banks, commerce, and trade if you have
>> this disdain for those Yanks. Don't your people have ANY principles
>> or are you just whores wanting to ride the wave of "Yank" success
>> until it turns around and bites you in the ass?
>
> Once western taxpayers have been bled to death by USA and Israel they
> will leave Afghanistan and Iraq and pay reconstruction costs via oil
> price rises for decades
>
You haven't been paying attention lately have you? The U.S. is growing 
geometrically more tired of paying for oil. I predict alternative sources 
will over-take oil within 10 years, so forget your "decades of payback" 
scenario. Then, prey-tell, what will all those oil-producing countries, who 
produce nothing else of use, do then? Back to the desert for them.
>
> Nobody I know has any exposure to USA markets
>
> We have simply been waiting patiently since 2001 for western taxpayers
> to bleed to death and surrender the REAL terrorists to face justice
>
Keep waiting. Since those "real terrorists" exist only in your mind, you'll 
be waiting a long time.
>
> Once the war is over , THEN we will start rebuilding
>
Who is the "we" that you keep referring to?
>
> No point doing anything until AFTER the war ends

On Oct 10, 6:38 am, "Carl"  wrote:
> kangarooistan wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 2:46 am, "Carl"  wrote:
> >> kangarooistan1 wrote:
> >>> On Oct 6, 9:28 am, "MI Wakefield"  wrote:
> >>> .
> >>> .
> >>>> The West would likely have left the Taliban to their own peculiar
> >>>> brand of 13th century religious extremism if on September 12th,
> >>>> 1991, they had arrested the leadership of al Qaeda, and asked the
> >>>> Americans to come and pick them up.
>
> >>> After 7 years the west has not been able to " arrest " the leaders
> >>> you think did 9/11
>
> >>> Yanks are war criminals
>
> >>> They invented WMD and terrorism as an excuse to invade anywhere
> >>> anytime using terrorism as a license to behave like mass murderers
>
> >>> Thank GOD yanks have finally bled to death
>
> >>> Yanks have been exposed as useless in Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan
>
> >>> Now they have bankrupted themselves and are trapped in unwinnable
> >>> wars for Israel
>
> >>> 700 billion bailout and markets are crashing in australia in the
> >>> first few minutes of trade this morning
>
> >> Awww, poor baby. Perhaps your people shouldn't have tied your assets
> >> in so closely with American banks, commerce, and trade if you have
> >> this disdain for those Yanks. Don't your people have ANY principles
> >> or are you just whores wanting to ride the wave of "Yank" success
> >> until it turns around and bites you in the ass?
>
> > Once western taxpayers have been bled to death by USA and Israel they
> > will leave Afghanistan and Iraq and pay reconstruction costs via oil
> > price rises for decades
>
> You haven't been paying attention lately have you? The U.S. is growing
> geometrically more tired of paying for oil. I predict alternative sources
> will over-take oil within 10 years, so forget your "decades of payback"
> scenario. Then, prey-tell, what will all those oil-producing countries, who
> produce nothing else of use, do then? Back to the desert for them.
>
> > Nobody I know has any exposure to USA markets
>
> > We have simply been waiting patiently since 2001 for western taxpayers
> > to bleed to death and surrender the REAL terrorists to face justice
>
> Keep waiting. Since those "real terrorists" exist only in your mind, you'll
> be waiting a long time.
>
> > Once the war is over , THEN we will start rebuilding
>
.
.
> Who is the "we" that you keep referring to?
>
>
>
> > No point doing anything until AFTER the war ends
>
>

The We are all those who can PROVE they did not support the real
terrorists

Those who can PROVE they did ALL in their power to resist the western
taxpayers funded USA and Israeli terrorists death squads and pipeline
protection occupation forces

kanga
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 Most expensive camel sold at auction in Abu Dhabi
Submitted by Sahil Nagpal on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 19:33.

    * Abu Dhabi
    * United Arab Emirates

Most expensive camel sold at auction in Abu Dhabi Abu Dhabi - The
most  expensive camel in the world was sold in the United Arab
Emirates for  6 million dirhams (1.6 million USA dollars), the Abu
Dhabi International  Exhibition for Hunting and Equestrian (ADIHEX)
announced Thursday.

The camel was bought by Sheikh Hamdan bin Mohammed bin Rashid, Crown
Prince of Dubai, in an auction held late Wednesday, ADIHEX said.
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The wild side

    * Last Updated: October 09. 2008 7:57PM UAE / October 9. 2008
3:57PM GMT
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20081009/OPINION/479479424/-1/NEWS
.
The headlines will no doubt focus on jewel-encrusted hunting rifles,
camels with $2 million price tags, and falcons so costly they ought
really to be caged in bank vaults not let loose in the desert.

But Hunting and Equestrian Exhibition that is expected to
attract as many as 170,000 visitors this week. This, after all, is a
society that is rooted in the desert, where until very recently
rifles, camels and falcons were as much necessities as they are now
treasures. So this exhibition is a chance for the present urban
generation to reinvigorate those roots, refuel the culture,
rediscover  the essential freedom and spirit of the desert.

And thanks to the large numbers of international visitors that the
exhibition attracts, it is also an opportunity for the people of the
UAE to discover mutual bonds with country people and field sports
enthusiasts from abroad.
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 The thrill of hunting, the love of animals, the joy of being out of
the city and in the open air are not restricted to any one
nationality  but shared by most of mankind.
.

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 The bling, ultimately, is irrelevant.
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Extensive aerial surveys conducted over the past three years by the
Department of Environment and Conservation and the Department of
Agriculture and Food WA have found feral camel numbers in the one
area of western Australia,  have grown to more than 400,000.

The DEC along with DAFWA would work with other states in a bid to
control camel numbers.

"One strategy we will be exploring is the potential use of price
incentives along lines similar to those currently being evaluated in
South Australia," Dr Burrows said.

An aerial survey which monitored the camels began three years ago and
covered about 300,000 square kilometres , 10%  of the pastoral zone,
located in the interior range lands of the  WA state.

The survey program, which began three year ago and will run until
2010, has  only covered about 300,000sq km east of the pastoral zone
in the arid interior range  lands of the state.

"These surveys provide valuable baseline data on populations and the
land systems and vegetation types

Large herds of up to 100 camels were often found in the more
habitable  areas where rivers lakes and ranges were located, while
camel numbers  were lower in areas dominated by sand plains and dune
fields, Dr  Burrows said.

To track camels in the program, eight female camels were captured and
fitted with tracking devices that would pinpoint their location every
six hours over the next 18 months.

"Aerial surveys and satellite tracking will enable DEC to identify
those parts of the landscape that are at risk from damage and
degradation by feral camels," he said.

"It will also provide data to assist with feral camel management and
establishing cost-effective control options to protect biodiversity
and other values."

Australia has the largest wild camel population in the world.

White christians are keen to shoot them all to prevent the Aboriginal
peoples from building up any income potential and prop up the price
of  beef

Its very important to keep Aboriginals poor or they may start asking
embarrassing questions , so all income potential must be destroyed at
any cost , by pretending camels are a pest and  shooting them from
helicopters for sport ,and sending the bill to taxpayers,
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2008
Aerial cull ‘cruel and must stop’
26th August 2008, 6:00 WST

Animal welfare groups have strengthened calls to ban wild animal
culls  using helicopters after the RSPCA launched an investigation
into  claims that aerial shooting of hundreds of wild horses and
camels in  the Kimberley left many suffering painful deaths.

The Outback Heritage Horse Association of WA said the culls should be
banned because shooters could not guarantee a clean shot to the head
or heart, which was needed to ensure the animals did not suffer.
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