Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all charges 
dropped.

More detail at: 
http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

Regards,

James

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James Hammerton wrote:
> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all charges 
> dropped.
> 
> More detail at: 
> http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75 

Glad to hear it but not surprised...think of the limelight the issue 
would have got had you been convicted...

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:34:04 +0100, James Hammerton
 wrote:

>Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all charges 
>dropped.
>
>More detail at: 
>http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

can you sue them for harassment or some such?

regards

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Maria wrote:
> James Hammerton wrote:
>> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all 
>> charges dropped.
>>
>> More detail at: 
>> http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75 
> 
> 
> Glad to hear it but not surprised...think of the limelight the issue 
> would have got had you been convicted...

Even having a trial would have generated a lot of publicity - we would 
have had Home Office officials and a minister called as witnesses!

James

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abelard wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:34:04 +0100, James Hammerton
>  wrote:
> 
>> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all charges 
>> dropped.
>>
>> More detail at: 
>> http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
> 
> can you sue them for harassment or some such?

We're investigating our options. Geraint mentions various points of 
contention in the thread at the NO2ID forums. Suffice to say we're not 
letting it lie. The main question is how best to make our points.

James

-- 
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http://jameshammerton.blogspot.com/
http://www.magnacartaplus.org/news/

James Hammerton  writes:
>Maria wrote:
>> James Hammerton wrote:
>>> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>>> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>>> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all 
>>> charges dropped.
>>>
>>> More detail at: 
>>> http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75 
>> 
>> Glad to hear it but not surprised...think of the limelight the issue 
>> would have got had you been convicted...

i am, of course, also glad to hear that your spurious charge has been
dropped.  better had you never have got it in the first place, but...

>Even having a trial would have generated a lot of publicity - we would 
>have had Home Office officials and a minister called as witnesses!

i wouldn't have counted on it: remember, they've the spurious "public
interest immunity" to fall back on, if they don't want to give
evidence.

the government has so many ways of ducking and weaving away from the
accountability we ought to be entitled to expect, that it's best not
to spend much time reflecting on these issues -- if you worry at all
about your blood pressure (i do).

note that i was committed to labour even at age three, when my mother
was taking me around in my push chair -- i had a little labour flag
(presumably a leaflet tied to a stick) and was calling out "vote for
labour" in the 1950 election.  (highly significant, this ;-)

i can't currently see any situation in which i will ever again vote
labour.  the party i supported was a democratic socialist party; the
party with the same name, now, has neither attribute.
-- 
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:10:14 +0100, James Hammerton
 wrote:

>abelard wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:34:04 +0100, James Hammerton
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>>> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>>> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all charges 
>>> dropped.
>>>
>>> More detail at: 
>>> http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
>> 
>> can you sue them for harassment or some such?
>
>We're investigating our options. Geraint mentions various points of 
>contention in the thread at the NO2ID forums. Suffice to say we're not 
>letting it lie. The main question is how best to make our points.

good....
you're a fine and useful fellow!

regards...

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On 24 Jul 2008 10:50:23 GMT, rf10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
wrote:

> James Hammerton  writes:
>>Maria wrote:
>>> James Hammerton wrote:
>>>> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>>>> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>>>> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all 
>>>> charges dropped.
>>>>
>>>> More detail at: 
>>>> http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75 
>>> 
>>> Glad to hear it but not surprised...think of the limelight the issue 
>>> would have got had you been convicted...
>
>i am, of course, also glad to hear that your spurious charge has been
>dropped.  better had you never have got it in the first place, but...
>
>>Even having a trial would have generated a lot of publicity - we would 
>>have had Home Office officials and a minister called as witnesses!
>
>i wouldn't have counted on it: remember, they've the spurious "public
>interest immunity" to fall back on, if they don't want to give
>evidence.
>
>the government has so many ways of ducking and weaving away from the
>accountability we ought to be entitled to expect, that it's best not
>to spend much time reflecting on these issues -- if you worry at all
>about your blood pressure (i do).
>
>note that i was committed to labour even at age three, when my mother
>was taking me around in my push chair -- i had a little labour flag
>(presumably a leaflet tied to a stick) and was calling out "vote for
>labour" in the 1950 election.  (highly significant, this ;-)
>
>i can't currently see any situation in which i will ever again vote
>labour.  the party i supported was a democratic socialist party

that is a contradiction in terms....

>; the
>party with the same name, now, has neither attribute.

sounds like 'once a catholic'...the guilt remains even once
     the brain is mostly cleansed!

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abelard wrote:
> On 24 Jul 2008 10:50:23 GMT, rf10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
> wrote:
> 
>> James Hammerton  writes:
>>> Maria wrote:
>>>> James Hammerton wrote:
>>>>> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>>>>> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>>>>> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all 
>>>>> charges dropped.
>>>>>
>>>>> More detail at: 
>>>>> http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75 
>>>> Glad to hear it but not surprised...think of the limelight the issue 
>>>> would have got had you been convicted...
>> i am, of course, also glad to hear that your spurious charge has been
>> dropped.  better had you never have got it in the first place, but...
>>
>>> Even having a trial would have generated a lot of publicity - we would 
>>> have had Home Office officials and a minister called as witnesses!
>> i wouldn't have counted on it: remember, they've the spurious "public
>> interest immunity" to fall back on, if they don't want to give
>> evidence.

The Home Office using a PII to prevent giving evidence over a breach of 
the peace charge would be news worthy itself!

>> the government has so many ways of ducking and weaving away from the
>> accountability we ought to be entitled to expect, that it's best not
>> to spend much time reflecting on these issues -- if you worry at all
>> about your blood pressure (i do).
>>
>> note that i was committed to labour even at age three, when my mother
>> was taking me around in my push chair -- i had a little labour flag
>> (presumably a leaflet tied to a stick) and was calling out "vote for
>> labour" in the 1950 election.  (highly significant, this ;-)
>>
>> i can't currently see any situation in which i will ever again vote
>> labour.  the party i supported was a democratic socialist party
> 
> that is a contradiction in terms....

That depends how you define the terms... ;-)

James

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On Jul 23, 9:34 pm, James Hammerton  wrote:
> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the
> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the
> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all charges
> dropped.
>

Bravo sir, I doff my cap in your direction.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:47:44 -0700 (PDT), "Mad Cliffy's Legs Don't
Work"  wrote:

>On Jul 23, 9:34 pm, James Hammerton  wrote:
>> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the
>> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the
>> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all charges
>> dropped.
>>
>
>Bravo sir, I doff my cap in your direction.

I don't have a cap, only a bobble hat, but I doff that, too!

MM

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:44:15 +0100, James Hammerton
 wrote:

>abelard wrote:
>> On 24 Jul 2008 10:50:23 GMT, rf10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> James Hammerton  writes:
>>>> Maria wrote:
>>>>> James Hammerton wrote:
>>>>>> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>>>>>> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>>>>>> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all 
>>>>>> charges dropped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More detail at: 
>>>>>> http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75 
>>>>> Glad to hear it but not surprised...think of the limelight the issue 
>>>>> would have got had you been convicted...
>>> i am, of course, also glad to hear that your spurious charge has been
>>> dropped.  better had you never have got it in the first place, but...
>>>
>>>> Even having a trial would have generated a lot of publicity - we would 
>>>> have had Home Office officials and a minister called as witnesses!
>>> i wouldn't have counted on it: remember, they've the spurious "public
>>> interest immunity" to fall back on, if they don't want to give
>>> evidence.
>
>The Home Office using a PII to prevent giving evidence over a breach of 
>the peace charge would be news worthy itself!
>
>>> the government has so many ways of ducking and weaving away from the
>>> accountability we ought to be entitled to expect, that it's best not
>>> to spend much time reflecting on these issues -- if you worry at all
>>> about your blood pressure (i do).
>>>
>>> note that i was committed to labour even at age three, when my mother
>>> was taking me around in my push chair -- i had a little labour flag
>>> (presumably a leaflet tied to a stick) and was calling out "vote for
>>> labour" in the 1950 election.  (highly significant, this ;-)
>>>
>>> i can't currently see any situation in which i will ever again vote
>>> labour.  the party i supported was a democratic socialist party
>> 
>> that is a contradiction in terms....
>
>That depends how you define the terms... ;-)

do you really want to claim that :-)

regards

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James Hammerton  posted
>Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all charges 
>dropped.

What case and charges? First I've heard of it.

>
>More detail at: 
>http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&st
>art=75


Leaves me none the wiser, beginning as it does "10 Jul 2008 18:52:53 
+0000   The last load of cash I sent in the post I put in a jiffy bag! 
It arrived without a problem. When people send cash they normally put it 
in a card so people can't see through it, but then what most people do 
makes it look like what it is. You don't generally think of banknotes 
being fragile and so it was a good decoy."

Eh? What's all that abaht then?

If you want people to sympathise with your grand gestures you ought at 
least to tell them what the hell is going on .

-- 
Les
"God will save her, fear you not, be you the men you've been.
Get you the sons your fathers got and God will save the Queen."

Big Les Wade wrote:
> James Hammerton  posted
>> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all 
>> charges dropped.
> 
> What case and charges? First I've heard of it.

You can see this thread from the start at:

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/c2e316eeb1cfab12/ee9a5cfda90add54?lnk=gst&q=no2id+nine#ee9a5cfda90add54

>>
>> More detail at: 
>> http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&st
>> art=75
> 
> 
> Leaves me none the wiser, beginning as it does "10 Jul 2008 18:52:53 
> +0000   The last load of cash I sent in the post I put in a jiffy bag! 
> It arrived without a problem. When people send cash they normally put it 
> in a card so people can't see through it, but then what most people do 
> makes it look like what it is. You don't generally think of banknotes 
> being fragile and so it was a good decoy."
> 
> Eh? What's all that abaht then?
 >
> If you want people to sympathise with your grand gestures you ought at 
> least to tell them what the hell is going on .
> 

I did and I'm not going to repeat myself just because some people will 
jump into a thread without bothering to find out where it all started. 
It would only have taken one click at the above link to find out.

I linked to a page where the news of the charges being dropped was 
posted so that people who'd been following this wouldn't have to wade 
through stuff they already knew about.

James

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"James Hammerton"  wrote in message 
news:6epitsF8c6keU1@mid.individual.net...
> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the procurator 
> fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the PF's office and 
> has been told that the case was closed, and all charges dropped.

I'm sure Plod's main purpose was to get the DNA of a number of 
"troublemakers" on their database. The charges sticking would have been 
icing on the cake.

-- 
Peter <X-Files fan>

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:21:31 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>On 24 Jul 2008 10:50:23 GMT, rf10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
>wrote:
>
>> James Hammerton  writes:
>>>Maria wrote:
>>>> James Hammerton wrote:
>>>>> Several of us, myself included, received letters today from the 
>>>>> procurator fiscal dropping the charges. Geraint Bevan has phoned the 
>>>>> PF's office and has been told that the case was closed, and all 
>>>>> charges dropped.
>>>>>
>>>>> More detail at: 
>>>>> http://forum.no2id.net/viewtopic.php?t=23102&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75 
>>>> 
>>>> Glad to hear it but not surprised...think of the limelight the issue 
>>>> would have got had you been convicted...
>>
>>i am, of course, also glad to hear that your spurious charge has been
>>dropped.  better had you never have got it in the first place, but...
>>
>>>Even having a trial would have generated a lot of publicity - we would 
>>>have had Home Office officials and a minister called as witnesses!
>>
>>i wouldn't have counted on it: remember, they've the spurious "public
>>interest immunity" to fall back on, if they don't want to give
>>evidence.
>>
>>the government has so many ways of ducking and weaving away from the
>>accountability we ought to be entitled to expect, that it's best not
>>to spend much time reflecting on these issues -- if you worry at all
>>about your blood pressure (i do).
>>
>>note that i was committed to labour even at age three, when my mother
>>was taking me around in my push chair -- i had a little labour flag
>>(presumably a leaflet tied to a stick) and was calling out "vote for
>>labour" in the 1950 election.  (highly significant, this ;-)
>>
>>i can't currently see any situation in which i will ever again vote
>>labour.  the party i supported was a democratic socialist party
>
>that is a contradiction in terms....

Depends on how you define democracy and how you define socialism
>
>>; the
>>party with the same name, now, has neither attribute.
>
>sounds like 'once a catholic'...the guilt remains even once
>     the brain is mostly cleansed!

So which bunch of socialists do you belong to?