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date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:57:51 -0500,    group: uk.politics.misc        back       
Russia’s predominant religion by 2050?Islam to become   
Islam to become Russia’s predominant religion by 2050?

22-07-2008

Pravda:

Islam is likely to become the primary religion in the Russian Federation by 2050 due to the
high birth rate in Muslim republics.

The current Chinese-led conquest of Russia’s Far East already seems to be a matter of immediate
concern for the Kremlin. The ethnic birth rate disproportion in different regions of the
country is another problem. The Muslim community may become the largest community by the middle
of the current century. Therefore, Islam has all chances to become the predominant religion in
Russia.

Ukrainian scientists of politics, Valery Chaliy and Mikhail Pashkov, believe that this is not
the only challenge, which Russia has to face nowadays.

“The Russian macroeconomic stability is being shattered with the high inflation rate and
growing food prices. Considerable funds are being invested in state-run corporations and are
being spent on social needs. Corruption restrains the growth of the national economy. Russia
dropped from the 120th to the 14th place among 160 countries on Transparency International’s
corruption list. Russian found itself in the company of Gambia, Indonesia and Togo at this
point. Russia takes the humble 58th place on the list of 131 countries on the integral rating
of the competitive ability of the economy for 2007.

Islam is currently the second most widely professed religion in the Russian Federation. It is
impossible to provide official statistics of "practicing" adherents of Islam or any other
religion in Russia because there is no country-wide census or statistics done on this matter by
any governmental organization. Roman Silantyev, a Russian Islamologist has estimated that there
are only between 7 and 9 million people who practise Islam in Russia, and that the rest are
only Muslims by ethnicity. Muslim communities are concentrated among minority nationalities
residing between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea: Adyghe, Balkars, Chechens, Circassians,
Ingush, Kabardin, Karachay, and numerous Dagestani peoples. Also, in the middle of the Volga
Basin reside populations of Tatars and Bashkirs, many of whom are Muslims.


There was much evidence of official conciliation toward Islam in Russia in the 1990s. The
number of Muslims allowed to make pilgrimages to Mecca increased sharply after the embargo of
the Soviet era ended in 1990. In 1995 the newly established Union of Muslims of Russia, led by
Imam Khatyb Mukaddas of Tatarstan, began organizing a movement aimed at improving inter-ethnic
understanding and ending Russians' lingering misconception of Islam. The Union of Muslims of
Russia is the direct successor to the pre-World War I Union of Muslims, which had its own
faction in the Russian Duma. The post-Communist union has formed a political party, the Nur
All-Russia Muslim Public Movement, which acts in close coordination with Muslim imams to defend
the political, economic, and cultural rights of Muslims and other minorities. The Islamic
Cultural Center of Russia, which includes a madrassa (religious school), opened in Moscow in 1991.

The majority of Muslims in Russia adhere to the Sunni branch of Islam. About 2% are Shi'a
Muslims. In a few areas, notably Chechnya, there is a tradition of Sunni Sufism. The Azeris
have also historically and still currently been nominally followers of Shi'a Islam, as their
republic split off from the Soviet Union, significant number of Azeris immigrated to Russia in
search of work.

Many Muslim citizens, in particular Muslim clerics, often cite instances of arrest and
harassment by authorities, as well as ocassional confiscation of Islamic educational sources.
The problems have been exacerbated by terrorist attacks linked with Islamic extremism and
Chechen independence. Many ordinary Muslims in Russia fear that they have become the victims of
a violent backlash.

The rise in the Russian Muslim population, terrorist attacks and the steep decline of the
ethnic Russian population have given rise to a greater degree of Xenophobia and Islamophobia in
Russia. Violent racist attacks by ethnic Russians, particularly Neo-Nazi skinheads, which used
to be mainly conducted against Jews, are becoming increasingly frequent towards Muslims. As
such, Muslims bear the brunt of the escalating racist violence in Russia. Racist attacks struck
539 people in 2006, a 17 percent rise over 2005, the Sova analytical center said in a report.
Nearly half of the 56 people killed in the attacks were from the overwhelmingly North Caucasus
and Central Asia.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:57:51 -0500   author:   Ramabriga

Re: Islam to become Russia?s predominant religion by 2050?   
"Ramabriga"  wrote in message
news:a8a90$4887711f$4412@news.teranews.com...
> Islam to become Russia’s predominant religion by 2050?
>
> 22-07-2008
>
> Pravda:
>
> Islam is likely to become the primary religion in the Russian Federation
by 2050 due to the
> high birth rate in Muslim republics.
>
> The current Chinese-led conquest of Russia’s Far East already seems to be
a matter of immediate
> concern for the Kremlin. The ethnic birth rate disproportion in different
regions of the
> country is another problem. The Muslim community may become the largest
community by the middle
> of the current century. Therefore, Islam has all chances to become the
predominant religion in
> Russia.
>
> Ukrainian scientists of politics, Valery Chaliy and Mikhail Pashkov,
believe that this is not
> the only challenge, which Russia has to face nowadays.
>
> “The Russian macroeconomic stability is being shattered with the high
inflation rate and
> growing food prices. Considerable funds are being invested in state-run
corporations and are
> being spent on social needs. Corruption restrains the growth of the
national economy. Russia
> dropped from the 120th to the 14th place among 160 countries on
Transparency International’s
> corruption list. Russian found itself in the company of Gambia, Indonesia
and Togo at this
> point. Russia takes the humble 58th place on the list of 131 countries on
the integral rating
> of the competitive ability of the economy for 2007.
>
> Islam is currently the second most widely professed religion in the
Russian Federation. It is
> impossible to provide official statistics of "practicing" adherents of
Islam or any other
> religion in Russia because there is no country-wide census or statistics
done on this matter by
> any governmental organization. Roman Silantyev, a Russian Islamologist has
estimated that there
> are only between 7 and 9 million people who practise Islam in Russia, and
that the rest are
> only Muslims by ethnicity. Muslim communities are concentrated among
minority nationalities
> residing between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea: Adyghe, Balkars,
Chechens, Circassians,
> Ingush, Kabardin, Karachay, and numerous Dagestani peoples. Also, in the
middle of the Volga
> Basin reside populations of Tatars and Bashkirs, many of whom are Muslims.
>
>
> There was much evidence of official conciliation toward Islam in Russia in
the 1990s. The
> number of Muslims allowed to make pilgrimages to Mecca increased sharply
after the embargo of
> the Soviet era ended in 1990. In 1995 the newly established Union of
Muslims of Russia, led by
> Imam Khatyb Mukaddas of Tatarstan, began organizing a movement aimed at
improving inter-ethnic
> understanding and ending Russians' lingering misconception of Islam. The
Union of Muslims of
> Russia is the direct successor to the pre-World War I Union of Muslims,
which had its own
> faction in the Russian Duma. The post-Communist union has formed a
political party, the Nur
> All-Russia Muslim Public Movement, which acts in close coordination with
Muslim imams to defend
> the political, economic, and cultural rights of Muslims and other
minorities. The Islamic
> Cultural Center of Russia, which includes a madrassa (religious school),
opened in Moscow in 1991.
>
> The majority of Muslims in Russia adhere to the Sunni branch of Islam.
About 2% are Shi'a
> Muslims. In a few areas, notably Chechnya, there is a tradition of Sunni
Sufism. The Azeris
> have also historically and still currently been nominally followers of
Shi'a Islam, as their
> republic split off from the Soviet Union, significant number of Azeris
immigrated to Russia in
> search of work.
>
> Many Muslim citizens, in particular Muslim clerics, often cite instances
of arrest and
> harassment by authorities, as well as ocassional confiscation of Islamic
educational sources.
> The problems have been exacerbated by terrorist attacks linked with
Islamic extremism and
> Chechen independence. Many ordinary Muslims in Russia fear that they have
become the victims of
> a violent backlash.
>
> The rise in the Russian Muslim population, terrorist attacks and the steep
decline of the
> ethnic Russian population have given rise to a greater degree of
Xenophobia and Islamophobia in
> Russia. Violent racist attacks by ethnic Russians, particularly Neo-Nazi
skinheads, which used
> to be mainly conducted against Jews, are becoming increasingly frequent
towards Muslims. As
> such, Muslims bear the brunt of the escalating racist violence in Russia.
Racist attacks struck
> 539 people in 2006, a 17 percent rise over 2005, the Sova analytical
center said in a report.
> Nearly half of the 56 people killed in the attacks were from the
overwhelmingly North Caucasus
> and Central Asia.
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

#
 "Islam to become Russia’s predominant religion by 2050?"
 Maybe so, but I predict that by about 2050 AD, the human species will be
decimated or extinct - due to that very increase in population seen as, eg,
Islam's greatest asset.
  No religion or other group is going to advocate reduction in human
numbers - we don't trust each other - and so the predicted increase in
overall world population, from the current 6.5 billion to nine billion, will
occur.
  The impact of our huge bio-mass is already deleterious to our environment,
and this will accelerate rather than decrease, as all us human locusts
devour our habitat.
  The well-meaning, but feeble, attempts to arrest climate change, recycle
waste, and otherwise become Green, are as nothing unless human population
growth is stopped, and reversed.  And this won't happen.
  Islam may populate the world with indoctrinated zombies, all worshipping a
non-existent god five times a day - but it will prove nothing, except how
stupid the Clever Ape is.  The population crash, following the boom, will
decimate Islam along with the Rest of Us.  Nuclear war in the Middle East is
a useful first step.
  Homo Sap is on the way out, and Nature doesn't care - nor does your God,
who is conspicuous by his absence, whether at WYD or Mecca.
  Any mutant survivors will dwell in caves, and scratch a subsistence living
among the garbage heaps and ruins of a non-recoverable civilisation, before
they too, exit.
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:04:20 GMT   author:   Don H

Re: Islam to become Russia?s predominant religion by 2050?   
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:04:20 GMT, "Don H" 
wrote:

>  Any mutant survivors will dwell in caves, and scratch a subsistence living
>among the garbage heaps and ruins of a non-recoverable civilisation, before
>they too, exit.

But that's only in the short term. 

After a few hundred million years something else will have come along.

Abdul Al-Svenne
date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:23:02 GMT   author:   Svenne

Re: Islam to become Russia?s predominant religion by 2050?   
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:57:51 -0500, Ramabriga 
wrote:
>Islam to become Russia’s predominant religion by 2050?
>22-07-2008
>Islam is likely to become the primary religion in the Russian Federation by 2050 due to the
>high birth rate in Muslim republics.

Time for ethnic cleansing!!!!
date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:48:54 -0400   author:   Patriot Games

Re: Islam to become Russia's predominant religion by 2050?   
"Svenne"  wrote in message
news:p51f84lpflabigjejh7ou9vhvtn30286eb@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:04:20 GMT, "Don H" 
> wrote:
>
> >  Any mutant survivors will dwell in caves, and scratch a subsistence
living
> >among the garbage heaps and ruins of a non-recoverable civilisation,
before
> >they too, exit.
>
> But that's only in the short term.
>
> After a few hundred million years something else will have come along.
>
> Abdul Al-Svenne
>

#  I doubt it. Even if life goes back to cockroach level, and eventually
evolves again to intelligent form, the fossil fuels which took millions of
years to accumulate would have been depleted or gone, as too minerals,
dispersed.  Hence, cannot re-create a civilised existence.
   No, if we, as the dominant, and supposedly-intelligent, apemen go, then
life on Earth will revert to primitive form, and stay thus, until the sun
burns out.
   Homo Sapiens existed for one million years, and his large brain merely
expedited his extinction - through over-population, pollution, extinction of
most other species, and mutual warfare.  Leaving a baked and desolate
planet.
date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:49:15 GMT   author:   Don H

Re: Islam to become Russia's predominant religion by 2050?   
Don H  wrote: 
> #  I doubt it. Even if life goes back to cockroach level, and eventually
> evolves again to intelligent form, the fossil fuels which took millions of
> years to accumulate would have been depleted or gone, as too minerals,
> dispersed.  Hence, cannot re-create a civilised existence.
>    No, if we, as the dominant, and supposedly-intelligent, apemen go, then
> life on Earth will revert to primitive form, and stay thus, until the sun
> burns out.
>    Homo Sapiens existed for one million years, and his large brain merely
> expedited his extinction - through over-population, pollution, extinction of
> most other species, and mutual warfare.  Leaving a baked and desolate
> planet.
> 
Yep.  Overpopulation, pollution like global warming and war are not a threat 
to our planet because our planet has survived far worse.  Such things are a 
threat to mankind's current existence and ways.   Don't worry about "saving 
the planet" because the planet will do just fine without assholes like us; 
just like it has done through more than a few mass extinctions in the past.
date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:57:01 -0400   author:   Garek

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