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date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:30:59 -0500, group: uk.politics.guns back

How's that Gun Control Working Out for You?

http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2009/10/hows-that-gun-control-
working-out-for.html

Friday, October 23, 2009
 
How's that Gun Control Working Out for You?

    Britain now has some of the toughest gun laws in the world. We 
recognize that only the strictest control of firearms will protect the 
public.

    -- Home Office Minister Alun Michael, 11/3/97 press release.

That was right after passage of the handgun ban.

Today?

    Armed officers placed on routine foot patrol for first time

And not just any guns, either!

    Police officers armed with submachine guns are to be deployed on 
routine patrol of Britain's streets for the first time. A hand-picked 
team from CO19, the Metropolitan Police's elite firearms unit, will walk 
the beat in gun crime hotspots where armed gangs have turned entire 
estates into "no go" zones.

    Local politicians and anti-gun campaigners have reacted with anger 
at the news that the officers will carry Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine 
guns  capable of firing up to 800 rounds-per-minute  and Glock semi-
automatic pistols. 

This, in a country where at least one media outlet called the full-auto 
Glock 18 pistol the Most Terrifying Gun in the World!

    CO19 currently provides armed support in volatile situations like 
sieges and terrorist attacks, with its officers on constant call in 
vehicles around London.

    But this is the first time that armed officers will be sent on 
permanent foot patrol anywhere in the country outside Northern Ireland.

    "Historically, CO19 was only called out when someone rang up to 
report a gun crime," said Inspector Derek Carroll, head of the new unit.

    "But a lot of streets in London have young people in postcode gangs, 
aged 14 and upwards, and a lot of communities feel that they are 
controlling areas of estates.

    "We are looking at gangs that have access to firearms and will be 
robust in dealing with them and disrupting and deterring them." 

Really! Gangs have access to firearms on an island nation with "the 
strictest control of firearms" that they were promised would "protect 
the public"?

Say it ain't so!

    The team of 18 constables, led by an inspector and two sergeants, 
will begin their patrols of Brixton, Haringey and Tottenham on Nov 9, 
following successful trial schemes.

    The officers  some on motorbikes  will carrying out weapon 
"sweeps" of their neighbourhoods in an effort to deter gang members from 
carrying guns, and are also intended to be a reassuring presence for 
residents.

Residents that have been told, literally for decades, that guns are 
evil, and that fully-automatic weapons are only useful for mowing down 
large crowds indiscriminately.

You'd think someone would comment on the dichotomy there.

    "My view is that just because you carry a gun, it should not affect 
the way you police," Inspector Carroll added. "We chat to people and 
they love it."

    Unlike their counterparts in the United States, British police 
officers not routinely carry guns, although armed patrols are frequently 
deployed in the aftermath of shootings and to guard potential terrorist 
targets.

    In October 2000 armed officers on the beat were temporarily 
introduced in Nottingham after a string of drug-related deaths.

    Jennette Arnold, a Labour London Assembly member for northeast 
London constituency, said that the patrols threatened to tear up the 
contract between the community and the police.

Already torn, Ms. Arnold, already torn.

    "No one asked us or the people I represent if this was acceptable 
and when they do I shall tell them it isn't. It isn't acceptable to 
throw away the principle of policing by consent," she said.

    Gill Marshall-Andrews, chairwoman of the Gun Control Network 
campaign group, described the routine arming of officers as a "very 
retrograde step" and warned that it could lead to higher levels of gun 
crime.

    "This is likely to raise the stakes and encourage more criminals, 
especially young criminals, to arm themselves," she said. 

Soooo, you're saying that having armed foot patrols in the area might 
"escalate the situation"? Who do you represent, Ms. Marshall-Andrews? 
The residents or the thugs?

    "Gun crime in this country is very low by international standards 
and that's largely because there aren't many guns about. Arming police 
officers sends out all the wrong messages."

    The Police Federation, which represents rank-and-file officers, has 
long campaigned against attempts to arm a larger section of the force, 
but said it had no objection to the new scheme.

    Simon Reed, vice-chairman of the national federation, said that 
although majority of his members did not wish be to armed, forces must 
be free to respond to particular threats.

    "The ethos will always be that the British police are unarmed, but 
we need officers to be able to use firearms when appropriate," he said. 
"My feeling is that the current balance is just about right."

    The Home Office declined to comment, saying that the operational use 
of firearms was a matter for local forces.

    Officers from CO19, formerly known as SO19, have been involved in a 
number of high-profile incidents in the capital, including the shooting 
of Jean Charles de Menezes at Stockwell station in 2005.

No internal link to that one, but a second on Bing gets you this:

    Police officers in Jean Charles de Menezes shooting escape 
punishment

    No police officers involved in the shooting of Jean Charles de 
Menezes will be disciplined, despite an inquest finding that 
catastrophic failures led to his death in London.

Same paper. Imagine that. The public should feel very secure!

    Gun-related crime is on the increase in London with 1,736 gun crimes 
reported in London between April and September this year  up 17 per 
cent on 2008.

    The problem of turf violence between drugs gangs was highlighted 
earlier this month with a spate of shootings in north London linked to 
two Turkish gangs, the Tottenham Boys and the Bombacilar.

Yup, Gun crime in the UK is very low by international standards, but it 
keeps going UP. It keeps going up in the face of Alun Michael's 
proclamation that "only the strictest control of firearms will protect 
the public."

It's a stone bitch when reality won't conform to the theory, isn't it? 
And it's even worse when someone points it out.

date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:30:59 -0500 author: Devil's Advocate Devil'