Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank Robbery Suspect
Saturday , October 04, 2008

ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in Hillborough County, Fla., 
tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the Valrico State Bank on 
Friday, Bay News 9 reported.

The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained in Germany as a police 
officer, but she was only half the size of the suspect she took down.

Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran past Da Silva's on the 
way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.

The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished to remain unidentified - 
reportedly saw Merritt running with something and looking behind him. She 
chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm going to shoot" and then tackled 
him.

She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the suspect surrendered.

"I knew she was a trained officer, but I didn't know what that really 
meant," Karen Raga, a co-worker, told The Tampa Tribune.

Bystanders then helped the waitress sit on Merritt until police arrived.

Reality_Check© wrote:
> Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank Robbery Suspect
> Saturday , October 04, 2008
> 
> ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in Hillborough County, Fla., 
> tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the Valrico State Bank on 
> Friday, Bay News 9 reported.
> 
> The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained in Germany as a police 
> officer, but she was only half the size of the suspect she took down.
> 
> Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran past Da Silva's on the 
> way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.
> 
> The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished to remain unidentified - 
> reportedly saw Merritt running with something and looking behind him. She 
> chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm going to shoot" and then tackled 
> him.
> 
> She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the suspect surrendered.


See how well Conceal carry laws work, the criminals never know who is 
armed, and even a bluff worked, but a person is a fool to bluff without 
a firearm, The "stop or I will shoot"  """BLUFF"""  does not work often, 
unless they can see your firearm in your hand ready to fire. If this had 
been a career criminal, or gang member, they would have killed her 
before she could draw that gun they thought she had

Without the Fl. C.C. law, this would not have worked, yelling that in 
D.C. would have been a waste of time.  They know no one but criminals 
have guns and if another criminal was trying to rip him off, they would 
just shoot him in the back, so would any cop, seeing a fleeing "armed" 
bank robber

That for showing us how C.C. laws help protect even the unarmed


>
-- 
SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
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"Rodney Long"  wrote in message
news:cm3Gk.18817$cX6.13409@newsfe07.iad...
> Reality_Check© wrote:
> > Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank Robbery Suspect
> > Saturday , October 04, 2008
> >
> > ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in Hillborough County,
Fla.,
> > tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the Valrico State Bank
on
> > Friday, Bay News 9 reported.
> >
> > The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained in Germany as a
police
> > officer, but she was only half the size of the suspect she took down.
> >
> > Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran past Da Silva's on
the
> > way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.
> >
> > The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished to remain
unidentified -
> > reportedly saw Merritt running with something and looking behind him.
She
> > chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm going to shoot" and then
tackled
> > him.
> >
> > She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the suspect
surrendered.
>
>
> See how well Conceal carry laws work, the criminals never know who is
> armed, and even a bluff worked, but a person is a fool to bluff without
> a firearm, The "stop or I will shoot"  """BLUFF"""  does not work often,
> unless they can see your firearm in your hand ready to fire. If this had
> been a career criminal, or gang member, they would have killed her
> before she could draw that gun they thought she had
>
> Without the Fl. C.C. law, this would not have worked, yelling that in
> D.C. would have been a waste of time.  They know no one but criminals
> have guns and if another criminal was trying to rip him off, they would
> just shoot him in the back, so would any cop, seeing a fleeing "armed"
> bank robber
>
> That for showing us how C.C. laws help protect even the unarmed

Very good post. I live in Florida and carry all the time. This proves that
carry laws are more successful than not allowing anyone to carry at all
except cops.
>
>
> >
> -- 
> SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
> Fishing lure remote control
> See lure video you won't believe
> http://ezknot.com

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 02:38:30 -0600, "Reality_Check©" 
wrote:

>Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank Robbery Suspect
>Saturday , October 04, 2008
>
>ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in Hillborough County, Fla., 
>tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the Valrico State Bank on 
>Friday, Bay News 9 reported.
>
>The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained in Germany as a police 
>officer, but she was only half the size of the suspect she took down.
>
>Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran past Da Silva's on the 
>way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.
>
>The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished to remain unidentified - 
>reportedly saw Merritt running with something and looking behind him. She 
>chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm going to shoot" and then tackled 
>him.
>
>She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the suspect surrendered.
>
>"I knew she was a trained officer, but I didn't know what that really 
>meant," Karen Raga, a co-worker, told The Tampa Tribune.
>
>Bystanders then helped the waitress sit on Merritt until police arrived. 
>

She could just as easily wind up in jail herself if some gung ho
prosecutor wanted to be a badass.

Unless I had seen an actual officer chasing the guy, then yeah, I'd
assist if I could. But not simply because some guy was running by me
and looking back. If there was a gun visible, I'd just wait for the
cops and keep an eye on the guy.

What if she had tackled an undercover cop who was chasing the real bad
guy? Maybe he was looking back to see if another officer was around.

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0400, "boat987" 
wrote:

>
>"Rodney Long"  wrote in message
>news:cm3Gk.18817$cX6.13409@newsfe07.iad...
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>> > Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank Robbery Suspect
>> > Saturday , October 04, 2008
>> >
>> > ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in Hillborough County,
>Fla.,
>> > tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the Valrico State Bank
>on
>> > Friday, Bay News 9 reported.
>> >
>> > The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained in Germany as a
>police
>> > officer, but she was only half the size of the suspect she took down.
>> >
>> > Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran past Da Silva's on
>the
>> > way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.
>> >
>> > The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished to remain
>unidentified -
>> > reportedly saw Merritt running with something and looking behind him.
>She
>> > chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm going to shoot" and then
>tackled
>> > him.
>> >
>> > She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the suspect
>surrendered.
>>
>>
>> See how well Conceal carry laws work, the criminals never know who is
>> armed, and even a bluff worked, but a person is a fool to bluff without
>> a firearm, The "stop or I will shoot"  """BLUFF"""  does not work often,
>> unless they can see your firearm in your hand ready to fire. If this had
>> been a career criminal, or gang member, they would have killed her
>> before she could draw that gun they thought she had
>>
>> Without the Fl. C.C. law, this would not have worked, yelling that in
>> D.C. would have been a waste of time.  They know no one but criminals
>> have guns and if another criminal was trying to rip him off, they would
>> just shoot him in the back, so would any cop, seeing a fleeing "armed"
>> bank robber
>>
>> That for showing us how C.C. laws help protect even the unarmed
>
>Very good post. I live in Florida and carry all the time. This proves that
>carry laws are more successful than not allowing anyone to carry at all
>except cops.

They also make the job of enforcement tougher because the cops never
know if a person is packin or not. Did you not read where it said the
lady was "NOT" armed?
Being from Germany, I don't believe you can get a CC permit while on a
visa.
What if the guy decided to stop and shoot her dead instead?

Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he knows
it ain't no bluff.

richard wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0400, "boat987" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Rodney Long"  wrote in message
>> news:cm3Gk.18817$cX6.13409@newsfe07.iad...
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>> Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank Robbery Suspect
>>>> Saturday , October 04, 2008
>>>>
>>>> ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in Hillborough
>>>> County, Fla., tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the
>>>> Valrico State Bank on Friday, Bay News 9 reported.
>>>>
>>>> The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained in Germany as
>>>> a police officer, but she was only half the size of the suspect
>>>> she took down.
>>>>
>>>> Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran past Da Silva's
>>>> on the way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.
>>>>
>>>> The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished to remain
>>>> unidentified - reportedly saw Merritt running with something and
>>>> looking behind him. She chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm
>>>> going to shoot" and then tackled him.
>>>>
>>>> She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the suspect
>>>> surrendered.
>>>
>>>
>>> See how well Conceal carry laws work, the criminals never know who
>>> is armed, and even a bluff worked, but a person is a fool to bluff
>>> without a firearm, The "stop or I will shoot"  """BLUFF"""  does
>>> not work often, unless they can see your firearm in your hand ready
>>> to fire. If this had been a career criminal, or gang member, they
>>> would have killed her before she could draw that gun they thought
>>> she had
>>>
>>> Without the Fl. C.C. law, this would not have worked, yelling that
>>> in D.C. would have been a waste of time.  They know no one but
>>> criminals have guns and if another criminal was trying to rip him
>>> off, they would just shoot him in the back, so would any cop,
>>> seeing a fleeing "armed" bank robber
>>>
>>> That for showing us how C.C. laws help protect even the unarmed
>>
>> Very good post. I live in Florida and carry all the time. This
>> proves that carry laws are more successful than not allowing anyone
>> to carry at all except cops.
>
> They also make the job of enforcement tougher because the cops never
> know if a person is packin or not. Did you not read where it said the
> lady was "NOT" armed?
> Being from Germany, I don't believe you can get a CC permit while on a
> visa.
> What if the guy decided to stop and shoot her dead instead?
>
> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ROTFLMAO !!

In article 
"Reality_Check©"  wrote:

> ROTFLMAO !!

I personally thought it was pretty funny too.

"richard"  wrote in message 
news:8q8je4taav3bptlfh3cvjb9h7ng9uom880@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0400, "boat987" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Rodney Long"  wrote in message
>>news:cm3Gk.18817$cX6.13409@newsfe07.iad...
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>> > Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank Robbery Suspect
>>> > Saturday , October 04, 2008
>>> >
>>> > ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in Hillborough County,
>>Fla.,
>>> > tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the Valrico State 
>>> > Bank
>>on
>>> > Friday, Bay News 9 reported.
>>> >
>>> > The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained in Germany as a
>>police
>>> > officer, but she was only half the size of the suspect she took down.
>>> >
>>> > Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran past Da Silva's on
>>the
>>> > way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.
>>> >
>>> > The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished to remain
>>unidentified -
>>> > reportedly saw Merritt running with something and looking behind him.
>>She
>>> > chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm going to shoot" and then
>>tackled
>>> > him.
>>> >
>>> > She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the suspect
>>surrendered.
>>>
>>>
>>> See how well Conceal carry laws work, the criminals never know who is
>>> armed, and even a bluff worked, but a person is a fool to bluff without
>>> a firearm, The "stop or I will shoot"  """BLUFF"""  does not work often,
>>> unless they can see your firearm in your hand ready to fire. If this had
>>> been a career criminal, or gang member, they would have killed her
>>> before she could draw that gun they thought she had
>>>
>>> Without the Fl. C.C. law, this would not have worked, yelling that in
>>> D.C. would have been a waste of time.  They know no one but criminals
>>> have guns and if another criminal was trying to rip him off, they would
>>> just shoot him in the back, so would any cop, seeing a fleeing "armed"
>>> bank robber
>>>
>>> That for showing us how C.C. laws help protect even the unarmed
>>
>>Very good post. I live in Florida and carry all the time. This proves that
>>carry laws are more successful than not allowing anyone to carry at all
>>except cops.
>
> They also make the job of enforcement tougher because the cops never
> know if a person is packin or not. Did you not read where it said the
> lady was "NOT" armed?
> Being from Germany, I don't believe you can get a CC permit while on a
> visa.
> What if the guy decided to stop and shoot her dead instead?
>
> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he knows
> it ain't no bluff.

Oh yeah
Lob some lead in the air, not knowing where it will come down
    Now THAT is REAL smart

"richard"  wrote in message 
news:8q8je4taav3bptlfh3cvjb9h7ng9uom880@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0400, "boat987" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Rodney Long"  wrote in message
>>news:cm3Gk.18817$cX6.13409@newsfe07.iad...
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>> > Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank Robbery Suspect
>>> > Saturday , October 04, 2008
>>> >
>>> > ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in Hillborough County,
>>Fla.,
>>> > tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the Valrico State 
>>> > Bank
>>on
>>> > Friday, Bay News 9 reported.
>>> >
>>> > The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained in Germany as a
>>police
>>> > officer, but she was only half the size of the suspect she took down.
>>> >
>>> > Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran past Da Silva's on
>>the
>>> > way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.
>>> >
>>> > The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished to remain
>>unidentified -
>>> > reportedly saw Merritt running with something and looking behind him.
>>She
>>> > chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm going to shoot" and then
>>tackled
>>> > him.
>>> >
>>> > She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the suspect
>>surrendered.
>>>
>>>
>>> See how well Conceal carry laws work, the criminals never know who is
>>> armed, and even a bluff worked, but a person is a fool to bluff without
>>> a firearm, The "stop or I will shoot"  """BLUFF"""  does not work often,
>>> unless they can see your firearm in your hand ready to fire. If this had
>>> been a career criminal, or gang member, they would have killed her
>>> before she could draw that gun they thought she had
>>>
>>> Without the Fl. C.C. law, this would not have worked, yelling that in
>>> D.C. would have been a waste of time.  They know no one but criminals
>>> have guns and if another criminal was trying to rip him off, they would
>>> just shoot him in the back, so would any cop, seeing a fleeing "armed"
>>> bank robber
>>>
>>> That for showing us how C.C. laws help protect even the unarmed
>>
>>Very good post. I live in Florida and carry all the time. This proves that
>>carry laws are more successful than not allowing anyone to carry at all
>>except cops.
>
> They also make the job of enforcement tougher because the cops never
> know if a person is packin or not.

Really? Criminals obey the law now?

Free hint, the police will NEVER know if a suspect is packing or not.


> Did you not read where it said the
> lady was "NOT" armed?

Yea, gutsy lady.


> Being from Germany, I don't believe you can get a CC permit while on a
> visa.

Depending on the jurisdiction you can.


> What if the guy decided to stop and shoot her dead instead?

Then she would have been dead.

Like I said a gutsy lady.


> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".

Good for you, but I can tell you there are times I would do so.

> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy.

Right, and you have now wasted a round, illegally discharged a firearm in 
city limits, brandishing, the illegal threat of deadly force and if that 
round hits anything on the way down your ass is grass.

> That way he knows
> it ain't no bluff.

Who cares if he knows? You warned him, more than you are legally required to 
do. If he doesn't believe then he pays the price.

On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0400, in the Year of Our Lord, boat987,
Beloved Prophet of the Lord said:

> Very good post. I live in Florida and carry all the time. This proves that
> carry laws are more successful than not allowing anyone to carry at all
> except cops.
>>

Cops here in UK would not like it. They need to know when they gun
down inocent people that there is no chance of retaliation.

"Reality_Check©"  wrote in message
news:6ktn8gF9jcsqU1@mid.individual.net...
> richard wrote:
> > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0400, "boat987" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Rodney Long"  wrote in message
> >> news:cm3Gk.18817$cX6.13409@newsfe07.iad...
> >>> Reality_Check© wrote:
> >>>> Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank Robbery Suspect
> >>>> Saturday , October 04, 2008
> >>>>
> >>>> ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in Hillborough
> >>>> County, Fla., tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the
> >>>> Valrico State Bank on Friday, Bay News 9 reported.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained in Germany as
> >>>> a police officer, but she was only half the size of the suspect
> >>>> she took down.
> >>>>
> >>>> Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran past Da Silva's
> >>>> on the way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.
> >>>>
> >>>> The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished to remain
> >>>> unidentified - reportedly saw Merritt running with something and
> >>>> looking behind him. She chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm
> >>>> going to shoot" and then tackled him.
> >>>>
> >>>> She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the suspect
> >>>> surrendered.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> See how well Conceal carry laws work, the criminals never know who
> >>> is armed, and even a bluff worked, but a person is a fool to bluff
> >>> without a firearm, The "stop or I will shoot"  """BLUFF"""  does
> >>> not work often, unless they can see your firearm in your hand ready
> >>> to fire. If this had been a career criminal, or gang member, they
> >>> would have killed her before she could draw that gun they thought
> >>> she had
> >>>
> >>> Without the Fl. C.C. law, this would not have worked, yelling that
> >>> in D.C. would have been a waste of time.  They know no one but
> >>> criminals have guns and if another criminal was trying to rip him
> >>> off, they would just shoot him in the back, so would any cop,
> >>> seeing a fleeing "armed" bank robber
> >>>
> >>> That for showing us how C.C. laws help protect even the unarmed
> >>
> >> Very good post. I live in Florida and carry all the time. This
> >> proves that carry laws are more successful than not allowing anyone
> >> to carry at all except cops.
> >
> > They also make the job of enforcement tougher because the cops never
> > know if a person is packin or not. Did you not read where it said the
> > lady was "NOT" armed?
> > Being from Germany, I don't believe you can get a CC permit while on a
> > visa.
> > What if the guy decided to stop and shoot her dead instead?
> >
> > Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
> > shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
> > I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> ROTFLMAO !!

I have several cops and a Marine MP in my family. They all prefer citizens
carry. The job is no harder for law enforcement since the cops don't know if
a person is "packing" or not anyhow. I lived in Newark, NJ for awhile. Cops
always assumed people were packing until they frisked them. Don't you watch
COPS?? Are you so blind you think that just because NJ doesn't issue hardly
any permits that cops would walk up to a car at night and leave their gun in
the car or not have their hand on it getting ready in case the driver had a
gun?? You know nothing of police work if you think that. Or do you know cops
who say, "Oh, Charlie, we can walk up to this van with no plates at night
time and not be on alert. Guns aren't allowed here. These 4 nice gang
members are just riding around looking for a church to join."

> They also make the job of enforcement tougher because the cops never
> know if a person is packin or not. Did you not read where it said the
> lady was "NOT" armed?

That is a moot point as the cops never, never know at first if someone is 
armed or not. That was one of the dumbest statements ever from the LEO in DC 
"We wont know if someone is armed or not now." Well, No Shit! You never did 
before!

"richard" <>
> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he knows
> it ain't no bluff.
I dont know where you trained, but here you never ever fire a warning shot. 
Deadly force is used or not used, period. Warning shots will get you in more 
trouble than just stopping the threat in Texas, anyway.

richard  wrote in
news:8q8je4taav3bptlfh3cvjb9h7ng9uom880@4ax.com: 

> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0400, "boat987" 
> wrote:
> 
>>
>>"Rodney Long"  wrote in message
>>news:cm3Gk.18817$cX6.13409@newsfe07.iad...
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>> > Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank Robbery Suspect
>>> > Saturday , October 04, 2008
>>> >
>>> > ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in Hillborough
>>> > County, 
>>Fla.,
>>> > tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the Valrico State
>>> > Bank 
>>on
>>> > Friday, Bay News 9 reported.
>>> >
>>> > The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained in Germany as
>>> > a 
>>police
>>> > officer, but she was only half the size of the suspect she took
>>> > down. 
>>> >
>>> > Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran past Da Silva's
>>> > on 
>>the
>>> > way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.
>>> >
>>> > The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished to remain
>>unidentified -
>>> > reportedly saw Merritt running with something and looking behind
>>> > him. 
>>She
>>> > chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm going to shoot" and then
>>tackled
>>> > him.
>>> >
>>> > She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the suspect
>>surrendered.
>>>
>>>
>>> See how well Conceal carry laws work, the criminals never know who
>>> is armed, and even a bluff worked, but a person is a fool to bluff
>>> without a firearm, The "stop or I will shoot"  """BLUFF"""  does not
>>> work often, unless they can see your firearm in your hand ready to
>>> fire. If this had been a career criminal, or gang member, they would
>>> have killed her before she could draw that gun they thought she had
>>>
>>> Without the Fl. C.C. law, this would not have worked, yelling that
>>> in D.C. would have been a waste of time.  They know no one but
>>> criminals have guns and if another criminal was trying to rip him
>>> off, they would just shoot him in the back, so would any cop, seeing
>>> a fleeing "armed" bank robber
>>>
>>> That for showing us how C.C. laws help protect even the unarmed
>>
>>Very good post. I live in Florida and carry all the time. This proves
>>that carry laws are more successful than not allowing anyone to carry
>>at all except cops.
> 
> They also make the job of enforcement tougher because the cops never
> know if a person is packin or not. 

That is true whether or not the state has concealed carry.  Do you think 
that gangbangers in LA aren't packing?

> Did you not read where it said the
> lady was "NOT" armed?
> Being from Germany, I don't believe you can get a CC permit while on a
> visa. What if the guy decided to stop and shoot her dead instead?

She took a chance.  If I remember correctly she was ex law enforcement 
herself.

> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. 

You fire a round into the air in some states and you go to jail.  That 
round has to come down somewhere and in some states it is an illegal act.


> That way he knows it ain't no bluff.

Which may or may not stop him from pulling a gun and trying to place a 
bullet in your ass.



-- 
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http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that 
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."

"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote 
in message news:Xns9B2F60149C339hopewell@216.196.97.131...
> richard  wrote in
> news:8q8je4taav3bptlfh3cvjb9h7ng9uom880@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:47:09 -0400, "boat987" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Rodney Long"  wrote in message
>>>news:cm3Gk.18817$cX6.13409@newsfe07.iad...
>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>> > Unarmed Coffee Shop Waitress Nabs Fleeing Bank 
>>>> > Robbery Suspect
>>>> > Saturday , October 04, 2008
>>>> >
>>>> > ADVERTISEMENTAn unarmed coffee shop waitress in 
>>>> > Hillborough
>>>> > County,
>>>Fla.,
>>>> > tackled and subdued an armed robber after he hit the 
>>>> > Valrico State
>>>> > Bank
>>>on
>>>> > Friday, Bay News 9 reported.
>>>> >
>>>> > The Da Silva's Coffee Shop employee had been trained 
>>>> > in Germany as
>>>> > a
>>>police
>>>> > officer, but she was only half the size of the 
>>>> > suspect she took
>>>> > down.
>>>> >
>>>> > Local police said suspect Jeffrey Merritt, 44, ran 
>>>> > past Da Silva's
>>>> > on
>>>the
>>>> > way to his getaway car after robbing the bank.
>>>> >
>>>> > The waitress - the Tampa Tribune reports she wished 
>>>> > to remain
>>>unidentified -
>>>> > reportedly saw Merritt running with something and 
>>>> > looking behind
>>>> > him.
>>>She
>>>> > chased him down, yelling, "Freeze or I'm going to 
>>>> > shoot" and then
>>>tackled
>>>> > him.
>>>> >
>>>> > She did not have a gun, but the bluff worked, and the 
>>>> > suspect
>>>surrendered.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See how well Conceal carry laws work, the criminals 
>>>> never know who
>>>> is armed, and even a bluff worked, but a person is a 
>>>> fool to bluff
>>>> without a firearm, The "stop or I will shoot" 
>>>> """BLUFF"""  does not
>>>> work often, unless they can see your firearm in your 
>>>> hand ready to
>>>> fire. If this had been a career criminal, or gang 
>>>> member, they would
>>>> have killed her before she could draw that gun they 
>>>> thought she had
>>>>
>>>> Without the Fl. C.C. law, this would not have worked, 
>>>> yelling that
>>>> in D.C. would have been a waste of time.  They know no 
>>>> one but
>>>> criminals have guns and if another criminal was trying 
>>>> to rip him
>>>> off, they would just shoot him in the back, so would 
>>>> any cop, seeing
>>>> a fleeing "armed" bank robber
>>>>
>>>> That for showing us how C.C. laws help protect even the 
>>>> unarmed
>>>
>>>Very good post. I live in Florida and carry all the time. 
>>>This proves
>>>that carry laws are more successful than not allowing 
>>>anyone to carry
>>>at all except cops.
>>
>> They also make the job of enforcement tougher because the 
>> cops never
>> know if a person is packin or not.
>
> That is true whether or not the state has concealed carry. 
> Do you think
> that gangbangers in LA aren't packing?
>
>> Did you not read where it said the
>> lady was "NOT" armed?
>> Being from Germany, I don't believe you can get a CC 
>> permit while on a
>> visa. What if the guy decided to stop and shoot her dead 
>> instead?
>
> She took a chance.  If I remember correctly she was ex law 
> enforcement
> herself.
>
>> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go 
>> around
>> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
>> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy.
>
> You fire a round into the air in some states and you go to 
> jail.  That
> round has to come down somewhere and in some states it is 
> an illegal act.

It certainly would be here in Nashville.  BTW, security is 
tighter than a drum around Belmont University's Curb Center. 
And that's just for the 3,000 media types covering the 2nd 
Presidential Debate.

>
>
>> That way he knows it ain't no bluff.
>
> Which may or may not stop him from pulling a gun and 
> trying to place a
> bullet in your ass.
>

Judging from his posts, that's a really BIG target.

Any thing from Ruger on the fix yet?

The old man may be gone, but the company apparently still 
adheres to his standards of quality and service.

"Kent Finnell"  wrote in news:OHrGk.48563
$De7.14817@bignews7.bellsouth.net:

>> Which may or may not stop him from pulling a gun and 
>> trying to place a
>> bullet in your ass.
>>
> 
> Judging from his posts, that's a really BIG target.

;)
 
> Any thing from Ruger on the fix yet?

On the SR9?  Yep, they emailed me about a month ago, sent me a ship box 
via overnite FedEx, picked it up the next day and returned it with a new 
spare mag and completely new trigger assembly one week later.  That also 
arrived via overnite FedEx.

The grittiness of the trigger is completely gone.  It is now very 
smooth....particularly for a Ruger.
 
> The old man may be gone, but the company apparently still 
> adheres to his standards of quality and service.

You betcha....  

I also picked up an SP-101 in .327 Federal. 3" bbl.  Haven't shot it yet 
but am looking forward to it.  One more round with about 80% of the 
muzzle energy of a .357 Mag. It also shoots .32H&R and .32 Magnum.  Less 
power there but either one makes a plinking cartridge.

Just too damn many guns to single out just one for shooting on a 
particular day.  Helluva problem to have, eh?  ;)



-- 
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman


"Be who you are and say what you feel...Because those that 
matter...don't mind...And those that mind...don't matter."

"RM V2.0"  wrote in message 
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>
> "richard" <>
>> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
>> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
>> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he knows
>> it ain't no bluff.
> I dont know where you trained, but here you never ever fire a warning 
> shot. Deadly force is used or not used, period. Warning shots will get you 
> in more trouble than just stopping the threat in Texas, anyway.
>

Why are you assuming that he even trained ANYWHERE ?
It's clear that he's pulling this stuff out of his fundament...

SaPeIsMa wrote:
> "RM V2.0"  wrote in message
> news:P_pGk.945883$I42.601032@fe04.news.easynews.com...
>>
>> "richard" <>
>>> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
>>> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
>>> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he knows
>>> it ain't no bluff.
>> I dont know where you trained, but here you never ever fire a warning
>> shot. Deadly force is used or not used, period. Warning shots will
>> get you in more trouble than just stopping the threat in Texas,
>> anyway.
>
> Why are you assuming that he even trained ANYWHERE ?
> It's clear that he's pulling this stuff out of his fundament...

As you did for years with your Iraq War lies ... you gutless chickenhawk 
coward.

"Reality_Check©"  wrote in message 
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> SaPeIsMa wrote:
>> "RM V2.0"  wrote in message
>> news:P_pGk.945883$I42.601032@fe04.news.easynews.com...
>>>
>>> "richard" <>
>>>> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
>>>> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
>>>> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he knows
>>>> it ain't no bluff.
>>> I dont know where you trained, but here you never ever fire a warning
>>> shot. Deadly force is used or not used, period. Warning shots will
>>> get you in more trouble than just stopping the threat in Texas,
>>> anyway.
>>
>> Why are you assuming that he even trained ANYWHERE ?
>> It's clear that he's pulling this stuff out of his fundament...
>
> As you did for years with your Iraq War lies ... you gutless chickenhawk 
> coward.
>
>
Guns should never be fired in the air. The bullet comes down fast and many 
have died from this stupidity.

In article , 
member@newsguy.com says...
> 
> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he knows
> it ain't no bluff.

You need retraining.
Firing a shot into the air is not a responsible action.



-- 
Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste 
Goode with Ketchup.

tankfixer wrote:
> In article ,
> member@newsguy.com says...
>>
>> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
>> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
>> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he knows
>> it ain't no bluff.
>
> You need retraining.
> Firing a shot into the air is not a responsible action.

Neither is murdering Iraqi civilians, scumbag.

In article 
"Reality_Check©"  wrote:
>
> tankfixer wrote:
> > In article ,
> > member@newsguy.com says...
> >>
> >> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
> >> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
> >> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he knows
> >> it ain't no bluff.
> >
> > You need retraining.
> > Firing a shot into the air is not a responsible action.
>
> Neither is murdering Iraqi civilians, scumbag.

Shit happens.

Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
> In article 
> "Reality_Check©"  wrote:
>>
>> tankfixer wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> member@newsguy.com says...
>>>>
>>>> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
>>>> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
>>>> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he
>>>> knows it ain't no bluff.
>>>
>>> You need retraining.
>>> Firing a shot into the air is not a responsible action.
>>
>> Neither is murdering Iraqi civilians, scumbag.
>
> Shit happens.

May it happen to you and yours.

"Reality_Check©"  wrote in message 
news:6l0d8cF9sl4mU1@mid.individual.net...
> tankfixer wrote:
>> In article ,
>> member@newsguy.com says...
>>>
>>> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
>>> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
>>> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he knows
>>> it ain't no bluff.
>>
>> You need retraining.
>> Firing a shot into the air is not a responsible action.
>
> Neither is murdering Iraqi civilians, scumbag.
>

Some of those "civilians" help kill US soldiers. And even if they're 
innocent, would you prefer Saddam back? How many civilians did he kill? If 
he got the atomic bomb and aimed it at Israel from Baghdad and we nuked the 
launching site, how many civilians would die?

I don't know your nationality nor do I care. But I know wherever you live, 
your country killed civilians at one time or another. Stop the 
self-righteous crap and find a job. How some 12 year old punk (that's the 
level of your IQ) has this much time to post all the shit you do is a 
terrible waste of time. Go take music lessons or better yet, ask Mommy for 
new crayons and draw pictures of the psychiatrists that you visit.

And if you're "prof. jonez", you really are a lunatic. Your entire insult 
vocabulary is "asswipe" and "eh?" If you'd sell your computer since you 
obviously aren't learning much by using it, you could bail your Mother out 
of jail on that prostitution charge. Then pay for her treatment in a drug 
rehab center. After that, if there is money left over, go pay for your meds 
and this time, TAKE them.

Oh, I have a message for you. The proctologist called. They found your head.

In article 
"Reality_Check©"  wrote:
>
> Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer wrote:
> > In article 
> > "Reality_Check©"  wrote:
> >>
> >> tankfixer wrote:
> >>> In article ,
> >>> member@newsguy.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
> >>>> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
> >>>> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he
> >>>> knows it ain't no bluff.
> >>>
> >>> You need retraining.
> >>> Firing a shot into the air is not a responsible action.
> >>
> >> Neither is murdering Iraqi civilians, scumbag.
> >
> > Shit happens.
>
> May it happen to you and yours.

Take your best shot.

Anthony Wilson wrote:
> "Reality_Check©"  wrote in message
> news:6l0d8cF9sl4mU1@mid.individual.net...
>> tankfixer wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>> member@newsguy.com says...
>>>>
>>>> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
>>>> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
>>>> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he
>>>> knows it ain't no bluff.
>>>
>>> You need retraining.
>>> Firing a shot into the air is not a responsible action.
>>
>> Neither is murdering Iraqi civilians, scumbag.
>>
>
> Some of those "civilians" help kill US soldiers.

Freedom Fighters and Heroes defending their homeland from
belligerent murderous invaders.

Amerikkkan War Criminals *deserve* to die!

RD (The Sandman) wrote:
> Judge J. P.  Pigglesworth  wrote in
> news:r2jle4hmec3400oqoo4cc0af3bmrdr9cqj@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:07:04 -0700, tankfixer
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> In article ,
>>> member@newsguy.com says...
>>>>
>>>> Having been trained in firearms, I sure as hell don't go around
>>>> shouting, "Stop or I'll shoot".
>>>> I'd fire a round in the air then shout at the guy. That way he
>>>> knows it ain't no bluff.
>>>
>>> You need retraining.
>>> Firing a shot into the air is not a responsible action.
>>
>>
>> Right!  You should be shooting at somebody to make it worth your
>> while!
>
> Shooting in the air IS shooting at somebody, you just don't know who.

Hopefully Richard the Retard will shoot straight up, on a windless day ...