NRA accused of paying mole in gun-control groups
  a.. Accused NRA spy being ousted by gun-control groups

  b.. NRA and 62-year-old accused of spying refuse to comment

  c.. Groups investigating whether actions were illegal; sweeping offices 
for bugs

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A gun-control activist who championed the 
cause for more than a decade and served on the boards of two antiviolence 
groups is suspected of working as a paid spy for the National Rifle 
Association, and now those organizations are expelling her and sweeping 
their offices for bugs.

The suggestion that Mary Lou McFate was a double agent is contained in a 
deposition filed as part of a contract dispute involving a security firm. 
The muckraking magazine Mother Jones, in a story last week, was the first to 
report on McFate's alleged dual identity.

The NRA refused to comment to the magazine and did not respond to calls 
Tuesday from The Associated Press. Nor did McFate.

The 62-year-old former flight attendant and sex counselor from Sarasota, 
Florida, is not new to the world of informants.

She infiltrated an animal-rights group in the late 1980s at the request of 
U.S. Surgical, and befriended an activist who was later convicted in a pipe 
bomb attack against the medical-supply business, U.S. Surgical acknowledged 
in news reports at the time. U.S. Surgical had come under fire for using 
dogs for research and training.

McFate resurfaced in Pennsylvania and has since spent years as an unpaid 
board member of CeaseFirePA and an organization called States United to 
Prevent Gun Violence. She also twice pushed unsuccessfully to join the board 
of the nation's largest gun-control group, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun 
Violence.

"It raises some real concerns with the tactics of the NRA. If they've got 
one person, maybe they have more. If they've done this dirty trick, what 
else have they done?" said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign, 
which planned to search its offices for listening devices and computer 
spyware.

The Brady Campaign and other groups said they are also researching whether 
McFate's alleged spying constituted a crime.

"Under some circumstances, it could be trespass," said Laurie Levenson, a 
professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, California, and a former 
prosecutor. But "if they're open meetings, it may be underhanded and sneaky; 
it may not be illegal."

At States United, McFate served as federal legislation director, meeting 
with members of Congress on Capitol Hill and writing letters. Over the 
years, she also stuffed envelopes, attended rallies and took part in 
conference calls and strategy sessions.

In retrospect, Helmke said, he now realizes McFate stopped by the Washington 
office for meetings and conference calls that could have been handled by 
phone, and perhaps pushed too hard to join the board or lobby Congress.

But as for any secrets she might have been privy to, the gun-control groups 
said they have little to hide, since they put their message and information 
about their budgets on the Web.

The allegations against McFate stem from a lawsuit brought against officials 
with Beckett Brown International, a now-defunct security firm based in 
Maryland. A former beer distributor who bankrolled the firm accused them of 
defrauding him.

Boxes of documents filed in the dispute reveal that McFate worked as a 
subcontractor for Beckett Brown and that the firm's clients included the 
NRA. And they show that McFate billed the firm for unspecified 
intelligence-gathering services, submitting among other things a request for 
a $4,500-a-month retainer in 1999.

The documents also reveal that McFate -- that is her maiden name; her 
married name is Mary Lou Sapone -- tried to get her daughter-in-law, 
Montgomery Sapone, hired by Beckett Brown. Montgomery Sapone worked as an 
intern at Brady Campaign headquarters in 2003, the gun-control group said.

John Dodd III, the Maryland beer distributor who bankrolled Beckett Brown, 
told the AP he did not condone the infiltration of activist groups.

Bryan Miller, executive director of Ceasefire NJ, said he feels betrayed by 
McFate. Miller's brother, an FBI agent, was shot to death in 1994.

"To have somebody that I consider a friend, have been with dozens of times, 
shared meals with, treated as a friend, to have her be an employee, a 
subcontracted spy for the NRA, is just mind-boggling. It's so venal," Miller 
said. "In the battle of ideas with the gun lobby, we're at a constant 
disadvantage because we're honest."

Timothy Ward, a former Beckett Brown principal who said in a sworn statement 
that McFate worked for the firm, declined comment Tuesday through a person 
who answered the phone at his new company, Chesapeake Strategies Group. The 
NRA now uses that firm for intelligence-gathering, another Chesapeake 
official said in a deposition.

The CeaseFirePA leadership plans a vote Friday on whether to expel McFate, a 
board member for seven years.

"I feel flattered that the NRA would feel that they would have to infiltrate 
CeaseFire of PA. Obviously, they're hearing our footsteps," said Phil 
Goldsmith, the group's president. "Frankly, I think it's a waste of their 
money. We don't deal in state secrets."

Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.

RM V2.0 wrote:
> Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.

And with the NRA being the gun-owner's worst enemy, who needs
a political lobbyist ?

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> RM V2.0 wrote:
> 
>>Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.
> 
> 
> And with the NRA being the gun-owner's worst enemy, who needs
> a political lobbyist ?
> 

Well first off, you are an ignorant fool and second there is nothing 
wrong with spying on un American gun control groups. We should have 
spies in all un American groups of any type in this country.

Mahead the Mufti wrote:
> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> RM V2.0 wrote:
>>
>>> Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.
>>
>>
>> And with the NRA being the gun-owner's worst enemy, who needs
>> a political lobbyist ?
>>
> 
> Well first off, you are an ignorant fool and second there is nothing 
> wrong with spying on un American gun control groups. We should have 
> spies in all un American groups of any type in this country.

I doubt if the NRA cares if these people have spies it it's group either


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_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> RM V2.0 wrote:
> 
>>Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.
> 
> 
> And with the NRA being the gun-owner's worst enemy, who needs
> a political lobbyist ?

You don't live in the USA, poofter, remember?

So what the fuck to do care, now that YOU ran away to Canaduh, where YOU 
have no right to own anything?

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:24:54 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
 wrote:

>RM V2.0 wrote:
>> Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.
>
>And with the NRA being the gun-owner's worst enemy, who needs
>a political lobbyist ?
>
Yah.  With "defeats" like Heller, we'll take all we can get.

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> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:24:54 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>  wrote:
>
>>RM V2.0 wrote:
>>> Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.
>>
>>And with the NRA being the gun-owner's worst enemy, who needs
>>a political lobbyist ?
>>
> Yah.  With "defeats" like Heller, we'll take all we can get.

Lookie here, one of the pig-ignorant gun loons
thinks he got a "victory" in D.C ...

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And his anti-psychotic meds have worn off ...

Reality_Check© wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:kl9k94h2m4en9hg6pa5gep524cvnt1onlu@4ax.com...
> 
>>On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:24:54 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>RM V2.0 wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.
>>>
>>>And with the NRA being the gun-owner's worst enemy, who needs
>>>a political lobbyist ?
>>>
>>
>>Yah.  With "defeats" like Heller, we'll take all we can get.
> 
> 
> Lookie here, one of the pig-ignorant gun loons
> thinks he got a "victory" in D.C ...

Fuck you, your mother's a whore and she fucks donkeys.

In article <GAnmk.212261$bC5.88661@fe07.news.easynews.com>, 
Blah@spamsux.com says...
> Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles. 

Funny how it's ok for an animal rights activist to go undercover but oh 
so bad if someone does it to them.

If they think she broke the law then charge her, but be ready for the 
consequences.


-- 

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.  
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic 
feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.

The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless 
made so and kept so by the exertions of much better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) English economist and philosopher.

Mahead the Mufti wrote:
> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>> news:kl9k94h2m4en9hg6pa5gep524cvnt1onlu@4ax.com...
>>
>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:24:54 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> RM V2.0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.
>>>>
>>>> And with the NRA being the gun-owner's worst enemy, who needs
>>>> a political lobbyist ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yah.  With "defeats" like Heller, we'll take all we can get.
>>
>>
>> Lookie here, one of the pig-ignorant gun loons
>> thinks he got a "victory" in D.C ...
>
> Fuck you, your mother's a whore and she fucks donkeys.

You're lying again, asswipe.

tankfixer wrote:
> In article <GAnmk.212261$bC5.88661@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
> Blah@spamsux.com says...
>> Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.
>
> Funny how it's ok for an animal rights activist to go undercover but
> oh so bad if someone does it to them.
>
> If they think she broke the law then charge her, but be ready for the
> consequences.

Do tell ...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1008809.html

torresD wrote:
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1008809.html 

Who cares, you retard?

In article , theprof@jonez.net 
says...
> tankfixer wrote:
> > In article <GAnmk.212261$bC5.88661@fe07.news.easynews.com>,
> > Blah@spamsux.com says...
> >> Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.
> >
> > Funny how it's ok for an animal rights activist to go undercover but
> > oh so bad if someone does it to them.
> >
> > If they think she broke the law then charge her, but be ready for the
> > consequences.
> 
> Do tell ... 

Well ?

-- 

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.  
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic 
feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.

The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety,
is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless 
made so and kept so by the exertions of much better men than himself.

John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) English economist and philosopher.

"Reality_Check©"  wrote in message 
news:6ft1i4Fd7lhvU1@mid.individual.net...
> NRA accused of paying mole in gun-control groups
>  a.. Accused NRA spy being ousted by gun-control groups
>
>  b.. NRA and 62-year-old accused of spying refuse to comment
>
>  c.. Groups investigating whether actions were illegal; sweeping offices 
> for bugs
>
> PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A gun-control activist who championed 
> the cause for more than a decade and served on the boards of two 
> antiviolence groups is suspected of working as a paid spy for the National 
> Rifle Association, and now those organizations are expelling her and 
> sweeping their offices for bugs.
>
> The suggestion that Mary Lou McFate was a double agent is contained in a 
> deposition filed as part of a contract dispute involving a security firm.

If it's true, then congratulations to Mary Lou for many years of good work. 
It's a pity that her work has been revealed in this court action. But, as 
there are lawyers involved, one must take all information with a pinch of 
salt.

Chris

"_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote in news:6g0vv4FdnanuU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Mahead the Mufti wrote:
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>> news:kl9k94h2m4en9hg6pa5gep524cvnt1onlu@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:24:54 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> RM V2.0 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wahhhhh! I am quite sure the activists all have their own moles.
>>>>>
>>>>> And with the NRA being the gun-owner's worst enemy, who needs
>>>>> a political lobbyist ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yah.  With "defeats" like Heller, we'll take all we can get.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lookie here, one of the pig-ignorant gun loons
>>> thinks he got a "victory" in D.C ...
>>
>> Fuck you, your mother's a whore and she fucks donkeys.
> 
> You're lying again, asswipe. 
> 
> 
> 


Sore loser. Nanny nanny boo boo.


-- 
"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to 
tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But 
being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and 
would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I 
feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?"

"Kerry Ladd"


 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1008809.html
>
> Who cares, you retard?

The Pot calling the Kettle Black, run along Lad.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:34:14 -0500, "torresD" 
wrote:

>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1008809.html 

Why don't the oil rich folks buy Nissan outright and run different
adds?
>

"torresD"  wrote in 
news:7YCdndxwxoyu0wbVnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@earthlink.com:

> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1008809.html 
> 
> 
> 

What abunch of jerkoffs. Is this really the most important thing these sand 
mutts have to worry about?

Gray Ghost wrote:
> "torresD"  wrote in
> news:7YCdndxwxoyu0wbVnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@earthlink.com:
>
>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1008809.html
>>
>>
>>
>
> What abunch of jerkoffs. Is this really the most important thing
> these sand mutts have to worry about?