Shots Fired at Party with Usher and Nelly
By Mike Fleeman and Anne Marie Cruz

UpdatePosted Saturday August 02, 2008 03:30 PM EDT

Gunfire erupted early Saturday at an Atlanta nightclub party sponsored by 
Jermaine Dupri and attended by music stars Usher, Nelly and Sean "Diddy" Combs. 
A security guard was reportedly wounded.

"I'm sad this incident happened because it interrupted a beautiful and loving 
party. But I'm happy none of my people or friends got hurt. And the party 
continues," Dupri tells PEOPLE in a statement.

The shots were fired at about 3:30 a.m. at the party at Dreamz ATL after some 
guests were allegedly double-charged by security guards to enter, DeKalb County 
police spokesman Marcus Hodge tells WSBTV.

Rowdy guests were escorted outside, where the shooting occurred, Hodge says. A 
club security guard was shot in the arm. He was treated at a hospital and 
released, Hodge says.

The party also was attended by actresses Gabrielle Union and Regina King and 
actor Larenz Tate.

"I didn't hear the shots, but around 3:30 a.m., everybody started ducking," 
party guest Nigel D. of realtalkny.net tells PEOPLE. "Nobody really knew what 
happened. It was dark in the club. And everyone was trying to get out of the VIP 
area, but there were so many people no one could really move."

An announcement was made that the sound wasn't shots but a bottle popping or a 
speaker problem, "But people, including the celebs, were still trying to leave, 
so I don't think anyone believed them," he says. "I got outside, and the cops 
shut the club down. No one inside could leave and no one outside in the parking 
lot could leave either. One of my friends was stuck inside the club and people 
were scared that the shooter was still inside."

"_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote in message 
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> Shots Fired at Party with Usher and Nelly
> By Mike Fleeman and Anne Marie Cruz
>
> UpdatePosted Saturday August 02, 2008 03:30 PM EDT
>
> Gunfire erupted early Saturday at an Atlanta nightclub party 
> sponsored by Jermaine Dupri and attended by music stars Usher, Nelly 
> and Sean "Diddy" Combs.

In the black of night......................

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A Missouri jury has found a 44-year-old man guilty of murder in the 
videotaped slaying of a 41-year-old woman.Jurors deliberated for less 
than four hours Thursday before finding Richard D. Davis guilty of 
first-degree murder in the May 2006 killing of Marsha Spicer. 
Prosecutors say Davis and his girlfriend, Dena Riley, videotaped the 
slaying to fulfill his violent sexual fantasies. During the trial, 
jurors were shown graphic videotape that Davis had made of Spicer's death.

Prosecutors say Davis held Spicer down while his girlfriend smothered 
her by sitting on her face. Riley is scheduled to go to trial next year 
in that killing.



I post this here just to explain

Man kills, he has killed for all of history, the gun gives victims a 
chance to fight back. take away all guns, and man still kills , just the 
victims have no chance.

Man has now even used the crotch of his women, to kill another, as in 
this story

Why are people posting under the subject line  "more American Gun MADNESS"

Why are they not just posting "More Madness" ?

We as civilized law abiding humans need firearms to protect ourself from 
the madness, as well as protect ourselves from governments. How many 
unarmed citizens were killed by their "own" governments over the last 
century ?  somewhere around 50,000,000 if I remember right.

I have never read a story anywhere, where a "gun" went mad

In my own area , just over the last couple days, we have had three 
knife murders

Why are we not seeing these same "fools" posting about the knife madness ?

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In talk.politics.guns Rodney Long  wrote:

>Prosecutors say Davis held Spicer down while his girlfriend smothered 
>her by sitting on her face. Riley is scheduled to go to trial next year 
>in that killing.

When asses are outlawed, only outlaws will have asses.

On Aug 2, 9:22 pm, Rodney Long  wrote:
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> A Missouri jury has found a 44-year-old man guilty of murder in the
> videotaped slaying of a 41-year-old woman.Jurors deliberated for less
> than four hours Thursday before finding Richard D. Davis guilty of
> first-degree murder in the May 2006 killing of Marsha Spicer.
> Prosecutors say Davis and his girlfriend, Dena Riley, videotaped the
> slaying to fulfill his violent sexual fantasies. During the trial,
> jurors were shown graphic videotape that Davis had made of Spicer's death> Prosecutors say Davis held Spicer down while his girlfriend smothered
> her by sitting on her face. Riley is scheduled to go to trial next year
> in that killing.
>
> I post this here just to explain
>
> Man kills, he has killed for all of history, the gun gives victims a
> chance to fight back. take away all guns, and man still kills , just the
> victims have no chance.
>
> Man has now even used the crotch of his women, to kill another, as in
> this story
>
> Why are people posting under the subject line  "more American Gun MADNESS"
>
> Why are they not just posting "More Madness" ?
>
> We as civilized law abiding humans need firearms to protect ourself from
> the madness, as well as protect ourselves from governments. How many
> unarmed citizens were killed by their "own" governments over the last
> century ?  somewhere around 50,000,000 if I remember right.
>
> I have never read a story anywhere, where a "gun" went mad
>
> In my own area , just over the last couple days, we have had three
> knife murders
>
> Why are we not seeing these same "fools" posting about the knife madness > SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
> Fishing lure remote control
> See lure video you won't believehttp://ezknot.com/videos.html

Gun madness is hardly unique to the USA. It goes on all around the
world but the media focuses on events in this country. John Lott
pointed out that Germany, often held up by the gun grabbers as a
shining example of a civil society because of strict gun control laws,
has had two mass school shootings with higher death tolls than any
K-12 school shooting in the USA. Few people in this country are even
aware of that fact because that sort of thing is a major story only if
it occurs in the USA. The gun grabbers and their friends in the media
would have us believe that this sort of thing only happens in our
country.

On Aug 3, 1:01 am,
>
> > --
> > SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
> > Fishing lure remote control
> > See lure video you won't believehttp://ezknot.com/videos.html
>
> Gun madness is hardly unique to the USA. It goes on all around the
> world but the media focuses on events in this country. John Lott
> pointed out that Germany, often held up by the gun grabbers as a
> shining example of a civil society because of strict gun control laws,
> has had two mass school shootings with higher death tolls than any
> K-12 school shooting in the USA. Few people in this country are even
> aware of that fact because that sort of thing is a major story only if
> it occurs in the USA. The gun grabbers and their friends in the media
> would have us believe that this sort of thing only happens in our
> country.

However gun violence is an every day occurrence in the US and its
quite rare in Germany.  Were do you feel safer, any town in Germany or
Birmingham, AL?

Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> On Aug 3, 1:01 am,
>>> --
>>> SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
>>> Fishing lure remote control
>>> See lure video you won't believehttp://ezknot.com/videos.html
>> Gun madness is hardly unique to the USA. It goes on all around the
>> world but the media focuses on events in this country. John Lott
>> pointed out that Germany, often held up by the gun grabbers as a
>> shining example of a civil society because of strict gun control laws,
>> has had two mass school shootings with higher death tolls than any
>> K-12 school shooting in the USA. Few people in this country are even
>> aware of that fact because that sort of thing is a major story only if
>> it occurs in the USA. The gun grabbers and their friends in the media
>> would have us believe that this sort of thing only happens in our
>> country.
> 
> However gun violence is an every day occurrence in the US and its
> quite rare in Germany.  Were do you feel safer, any town in Germany or
> Birmingham, AL?

Birmingham, hands down


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See lure video you won't believe
http://ezknot.com/videos.html

Rodney Long wrote:
> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>> On Aug 3, 1:01 am,
>>>> --
>>>> SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
>>>> Fishing lure remote control
>>>> See lure video you won't believehttp://ezknot.com/videos.html
>>> Gun madness is hardly unique to the USA. It goes on all around the
>>> world but the media focuses on events in this country. John Lott
>>> pointed out that Germany, often held up by the gun grabbers as a
>>> shining example of a civil society because of strict gun control
>>> laws, has had two mass school shootings with higher death tolls
>>> than any K-12 school shooting in the USA. Few people in this
>>> country are even aware of that fact because that sort of thing is a
>>> major story only if it occurs in the USA. The gun grabbers and
>>> their friends in the media would have us believe that this sort of
>>> thing only happens in our country.
>>
>> However gun violence is an every day occurrence in the US and its
>> quite rare in Germany.  Were do you feel safer, any town in Germany
>> or Birmingham, AL?
>
> Birmingham, hands down

Teutophobe !

On Aug 3, 9:58 am, Kevin Cunningham  wrote:
> On Aug 3, 1:01 am,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > --
> > > SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
> > > Fishing lure remote control
> > > See lure video you won't believehttp://ezknot.com/videos.html
>
> > Gun madness is hardly unique to the USA. It goes on all around the
> > world but the media focuses on events in this country. John Lott
> > pointed out that Germany, often held up by the gun grabbers as a
> > shining example of a civil society because of strict gun control laws,
> > has had two mass school shootings with higher death tolls than any
> > K-12 school shooting in the USA. Few people in this country are even
> > aware of that fact because that sort of thing is a major story only if
> > it occurs in the USA. The gun grabbers and their friends in the media
> > would have us believe that this sort of thing only happens in our
> > country.
>
> However gun violence is an every day occurrence in the US and its
> quite rare in Germany.  Were do you feel safer, any town in Germany or
> Birmingham, AL?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

South Dakota and Washington DC have roughly the same population. South
Dakota residents have easy access to firearms while Washington DC
residents have been barred from that right for the past 30 years.
Where do you feel safer, any town in South Dakota or Washington DC?

bigdog wrote:
> On Aug 3, 9:58 am, Kevin Cunningham  wrote:
>> On Aug 3, 1:01 am,
>>

>>>> SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
>>>> Fishing lure remote control
>>>> See lure video you won't believehttp://ezknot.com/videos.html
>>
>>> Gun madness is hardly unique to the USA. It goes on all around the
>>> world but the media focuses on events in this country. John Lott
>>> pointed out that Germany, often held up by the gun grabbers as a
>>> shining example of a civil society because of strict gun control
>>> laws, has had two mass school shootings with higher death tolls
>>> than any K-12 school shooting in the USA. Few people in this
>>> country are even aware of that fact because that sort of thing is a
>>> major story only if it occurs in the USA. The gun grabbers and
>>> their friends in the media would have us believe that this sort of
>>> thing only happens in our country.
>>
>> However gun violence is an every day occurrence in the US and its
>> quite rare in Germany. Were do you feel safer, any town in Germany or
>> Birmingham, AL?- >>

>
> South Dakota and Washington DC have roughly the same population. South
> Dakota residents have easy access to firearms while Washington DC
> residents have been barred from that right for the past 30 years.
> Where do you feel safer, any town in South Dakota or Washington DC?

Are all gun-nuts as stump-stupid as you are?

If you crammed all the people of South Dakota into a space as small
as Wash D.C., do you think crime would go up or down?

If you dispersed all the resident of D.C. across the plains and hills of South 
Dakota,
do you think crime would go down or up?

Did your mother have any children that lived, who weren't retarded?

wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:18:47 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>  wrote:
>
>>bigdog wrote:
>>> On Aug 3, 9:58 am, Kevin Cunningham  wrote:
>>>> On Aug 3, 1:01 am,
>>>>
>>
>>>>>> SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
>>>>>> Fishing lure remote control
>>>>>> See lure video you won't believehttp://ezknot.com/videos.html
>>>>
>>>>> Gun madness is hardly unique to the USA. It goes on all around the
>>>>> world but the media focuses on events in this country. John Lott
>>>>> pointed out that Germany, often held up by the gun grabbers as a
>>>>> shining example of a civil society because of strict gun control
>>>>> laws, has had two mass school shootings with higher death tolls
>>>>> than any K-12 school shooting in the USA. Few people in this
>>>>> country are even aware of that fact because that sort of thing is a
>>>>> major story only if it occurs in the USA. The gun grabbers and
>>>>> their friends in the media would have us believe that this sort of
>>>>> thing only happens in our country.
>>>>
>>>> However gun violence is an every day occurrence in the US and its
>>>> quite rare in Germany. Were do you feel safer, any town in Germany or
>>>> Birmingham, AL?- >>
>>
>>>
>>> South Dakota and Washington DC have roughly the same population. South
>>> Dakota residents have easy access to firearms while Washington DC
>>> residents have been barred from that right for the past 30 years.
>>> Where do you feel safer, any town in South Dakota or Washington DC?
>>
>>Are all gun-nuts as stump-stupid as you are?
>
> Are all you left wing nuts stump stupid?
>
>
>>
>>If you crammed all the people of South Dakota into a space as small
>>as Wash D.C., do you think crime would go up or down?
>
> As you so accurately point out; guns aren't the problem.

Really?

So how much Gun Crime would there be if there were no guns?

Take a second and ponder that.

Reality_Check© wrote:

>> As you so accurately point out; guns aren't the problem.
> 
> Really?
> 
> So how much Gun Crime would there be if there were no guns?

Since that's not even a possibility, why discuss it?

On Aug 3, 2:18 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
> bigdog wrote:
> > On Aug 3, 9:58 am, Kevin Cunningham  wrote:
> >> On Aug 3, 1:01 am,
>
> >>>> SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
> >>>> Fishing lure remote control
> >>>> See lure video you won't believehttp://ezknot.com/videos.html
>
> >>> Gun madness is hardly unique to the USA. It goes on all around the
> >>> world but the media focuses on events in this country. John Lott
> >>> pointed out that Germany, often held up by the gun grabbers as a
> >>> shining example of a civil society because of strict gun control
> >>> laws, has had two mass school shootings with higher death tolls
> >>> than any K-12 school shooting in the USA. Few people in this
> >>> country are even aware of that fact because that sort of thing is a
> >>> major story only if it occurs in the USA. The gun grabbers and
> >>> their friends in the media would have us believe that this sort of
> >>> thing only happens in our country.
>
> >> However gun violence is an every day occurrence in the US and its
> >> quite rare in Germany. Were do you feel safer, any town in Germany or
> >> Birmingham, AL?- >>
>
> > South Dakota and Washington DC have roughly the same population. South
> > Dakota residents have easy access to firearms while Washington DC
> > residents have been barred from that right for the past 30 years.
> > Where do you feel safer, any town in South Dakota or Washington DC?
>
> Are all gun-nuts as stump-stupid as you are?
>
> If you crammed all the people of South Dakota into a space as small
> as Wash D.C., do you think crime would go up or down?
>
> If you dispersed all the resident of D.C. across the plains and hills of South
> Dakota,
> do you think crime would go down or up?
>
> Did your mother have any children that lived, who weren't retarded?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh, now I get it. Other factors contribute to homicide rates other
than whether or not citizens have the right to bear arms. So why do
you gun grabbers point to lower homicide rates in countries such as
Germany as if that establishes some sort of cause-and-effect
relationship between gun laws and gun deaths?

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> bigdog wrote:
>> On Aug 3, 9:58 am, Kevin Cunningham  wrote:
>>> On Aug 3, 1:01 am,
>>>
> 
>>>>> SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
>>>>> Fishing lure remote control
>>>>> See lure video you won't believehttp://ezknot.com/videos.html
>>>> Gun madness is hardly unique to the USA. It goes on all around the
>>>> world but the media focuses on events in this country. John Lott
>>>> pointed out that Germany, often held up by the gun grabbers as a
>>>> shining example of a civil society because of strict gun control
>>>> laws, has had two mass school shootings with higher death tolls
>>>> than any K-12 school shooting in the USA. Few people in this
>>>> country are even aware of that fact because that sort of thing is a
>>>> major story only if it occurs in the USA. The gun grabbers and
>>>> their friends in the media would have us believe that this sort of
>>>> thing only happens in our country.
>>> However gun violence is an every day occurrence in the US and its
>>> quite rare in Germany. Were do you feel safer, any town in Germany or
>>> Birmingham, AL?- >>
> 
>> South Dakota and Washington DC have roughly the same population. South
>> Dakota residents have easy access to firearms while Washington DC
>> residents have been barred from that right for the past 30 years.
>> Where do you feel safer, any town in South Dakota or Washington DC?
> 
> Are all gun-nuts as stump-stupid as you are?
> 
> If you crammed all the people of South Dakota into a space as small
> as Wash D.C., do you think crime would go up or down?
> 
> If you dispersed all the resident of D.C. across the plains and hills of South 
> Dakota,
> do you think crime would go down or up?
> 
> Did your mother have any children that lived, who weren't retarded?
> 
> 
> 


Man you just solved the crime problem,, limit how many people per square 
mile, The whole crime problem is people not liking anyone close to them, 
every human that has to live close to another, gets this uncontrollable 
urge to rape, maim, steal, murder, do and sell drugs.

Next you will tell us it's because the Sun goes down hours earlier in 
D.C., and it's too early for them to go in bed , so they engage in turf 
wars for fun, until it gets late enough for them to need their sleep.

yep those people out west are so tuckered out by the time the Sun goes 
down, they are just too tired for crime.

It could not be because their victims are defenseless in D.C. That the 
criminals have no fear of their victims in D.C. ?

That they can brake down any door they please with no fear from the 
occupants.

They Banned firearms in D.C. to reduce murder, and the rates went up ?

Now you answer why that is ?



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http://ezknot.com/videos.html

"Rodney Long"  wrote in message 
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> They Banned firearms in D.C. to reduce murder, and the rates went up ?

Murder rates didn't rise significantly until about 12 years after the 1976 
ban. In fact the average murder rate for the 11 years after the ban  was 
less than the average murder rate for the 7 years before the ban, and the 
difference is statistically significant.

> Now you answer why that is ?

The murder rate also went up before the ban. About 7 years before the ban it 
became relatively stable then dropped a little after the ban - why was that? 
If there is some connection between the gun ban and murder rate, why did it 
take 12 years to show itself?

"Blinky Bill"  wrote in message 
news:8Fulk.25340$IK1.16489@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Rodney Long"  wrote in message 
> news:gWslk.6975$LF2.2516@newsfe09.iad...
>
>> They Banned firearms in D.C. to reduce murder, and the rates went up ?
>
> Murder rates didn't rise significantly until about 12 years after the 1976 
> ban. In fact the average murder rate for the 11 years after the ban  was 
> less than the average murder rate for the 7 years before the ban, and the 
> difference is statistically significant.
>
>> Now you answer why that is ?
>
> The murder rate also went up before the ban. About 7 years before the ban 
> it became relatively stable then dropped a little after the ban - why was 
> that? If there is some connection between the gun ban and murder rate, why 
> did it take 12 years to show itself?

Whoooooooooop! There it is!

Reality_Check© wrote:

>> As you so accurately point out; guns aren't the problem.
> 
> Really?
> 
> So how much Gun Crime would there be if there were no guns?
> 
> Take a second and ponder that. 

Oh I did

But how much crime would there be after all the gun crime was gone, how 
much would the murder and rape cases increase ? take all the victims of 
murder, rape, robbery, car jacking, kidnapping, home invasion, and make 
them totally at the mercy of their attackers.

There are some who have no two brain cells that talk top each other , 
that think a tool is the rout of all evil , when evil was there 
thousands of years before the tool.

You think by just taking away a single tool, that criminals will stop 
what they are doing, are you really that stupid ? of course you are, why 
did I even ask
> 
> 


-- 
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Blinky Bill wrote:
> "Rodney Long"  wrote in message 
> news:gWslk.6975$LF2.2516@newsfe09.iad...
> 
>> They Banned firearms in D.C. to reduce murder, and the rates went up ?
> 
> Murder rates didn't rise significantly until about 12 years after the 1976 
> ban. In fact the average murder rate for the 11 years after the ban  was 
> less than the average murder rate for the 7 years before the ban, and the 
> difference is statistically significant.
> 
>> Now you answer why that is ?
> 
> The murder rate also went up before the ban. About 7 years before the ban it 
> became relatively stable then dropped a little after the ban - why was that? 
> If there is some connection between the gun ban and murder rate, why did it 
> take 12 years to show itself? 

HELLO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because 35,000 handguns were registered, and grand fathered in

Because the criminals could not believe every citizen registered their 
guns, they sure didn't, and didn't think the majority of the people would

It took time for them to realize the streets belonged to them.

Now the big question are we talking homicide rates or murder rates ? or 
were these two swapped, homicide rates before the ban, murder rates 
after the ban ?

I know for a fact, that in only one year since the enactment of the ban 
was there a lower murder rate, all other years it has been higher after 
the ban.

Now another question, how has the over all violent crime rates responded 
to the ban ?


> 
> 


-- 
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See lure video you won't believe
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Rodney Long wrote:
> Reality_Check© wrote:
>
>>> As you so accurately point out; guns aren't the problem.
>>
>> Really?
>>
>> So how much Gun Crime would there be if there were no guns?
>>
>> Take a second and ponder that.
>
> Oh I did
>
> But how much crime would there be after all the gun crime was gone,
> how much would the murder and rape cases increase ? take all the
> victims of murder, rape, robbery, car jacking, kidnapping, home
> invasion, and make them totally at the mercy of their attackers.

Only because piss-pant cowards like you can even conceive of
defending yourself without a gun ... while MILLIONS of other
people manage to do that every year.

Sucks to be you, eh?

On Aug 3, 11:25 pm, "Blinky Bill"  wrote:
> "Rodney Long"  wrote in message
>
> news:gWslk.6975$LF2.2516@newsfe09.iad...
>
> > They Banned firearms in D.C. to reduce murder, and the rates went up ?
>
> Murder rates didn't rise significantly until about 12 years after the 1976
> ban. In fact the average murder rate for the 11 years after the ban  was
> less than the average murder rate for the 7 years before the ban, and the
> difference is statistically significant.
>
> > Now you answer why that is ?
>
> The murder rate also went up before the ban. About 7 years before the ban it
> became relatively stable then dropped a little after the ban - why was that?
> If there is some connection between the gun ban and murder rate, why did it
> take 12 years to show itself?

It's not hard to figure that out. After the ban was passed. residents
of DC still had guns purchased prior to the ban. As time passed, new
residents could not purchase guns legally so the percentage of law
abiding citizens who still had them means to defend themselves
gradually declined and criminals increasingly got the upper hand. DC
became a very safe city for criminals to work in.
(Congressmen liked that too).

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> Rodney Long wrote:
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>
>>>> As you so accurately point out; guns aren't the problem.
>>> Really?
>>>
>>> So how much Gun Crime would there be if there were no guns?
>>>
>>> Take a second and ponder that.
>> Oh I did
>>
>> But how much crime would there be after all the gun crime was gone,
>> how much would the murder and rape cases increase ? take all the
>> victims of murder, rape, robbery, car jacking, kidnapping, home
>> invasion, and make them totally at the mercy of their attackers.
> 
> Only because piss-pant cowards like you can even conceive of
> defending yourself without a gun ... while MILLIONS of other
> people manage to do that every year.
> 
> Sucks to be you, eh?

When I was 21 I had earned a Black Belt in karate, it took me 4 years to 
get there. Karate is worthless against a gun, unlike what you see on TV 
and  you are stupid enough  to believe. It's not preferred against 
someone who knows what they are doing with a baseball bat, club, 
machete, Ax, or many other weapons . It takes years to get good enough 
with karate to even have a chance against such weapons. Pull out a 
handgun, and the threat is over, no one has to die. If I was fighting 
someone by hand who was using any of these weapons, I would have to kill 
them quickly to end the threat

What about that 105 lb women, does she stand a chance against a 230 lb 
rapist ?  Did my wife stand a chance against 4 of them?  she did with 
that 357 mag. in her hands, what would your wife or daughter do in that 
case ?

Pray they did not kill her, after they raped her, that is all she could do.

I and mine will be called cowards by you, I could care less what you 
call me, I walk the streets with no fear of anyone.

My wife was not raped, nor was she killed, because she had the right of 
self defense, and knew how to use it.
> 
> 
> 


-- 
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See lure video you won't believe
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"Reality_Check©"  wrote in news:6fmnnnFcd84cU1
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> 
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>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 12:18:47 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>bigdog wrote:
>>>> On Aug 3, 9:58 am, Kevin Cunningham  wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 3, 1:01 am,
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
>>>>>>> Fishing lure remote control
>>>>>>> See lure video you won't believehttp://ezknot.com/videos.html
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gun madness is hardly unique to the USA. It goes on all around the
>>>>>> world but the media focuses on events in this country. John Lott
>>>>>> pointed out that Germany, often held up by the gun grabbers as a
>>>>>> shining example of a civil society because of strict gun control
>>>>>> laws, has had two mass school shootings with higher death tolls
>>>>>> than any K-12 school shooting in the USA. Few people in this
>>>>>> country are even aware of that fact because that sort of thing is 
a
>>>>>> major story only if it occurs in the USA. The gun grabbers and
>>>>>> their friends in the media would have us believe that this sort of
>>>>>> thing only happens in our country.
>>>>>
>>>>> However gun violence is an every day occurrence in the US and its
>>>>> quite rare in Germany. Were do you feel safer, any town in Germany 
or
>>>>> Birmingham, AL?- >>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> South Dakota and Washington DC have roughly the same population. 
South
>>>> Dakota residents have easy access to firearms while Washington DC
>>>> residents have been barred from that right for the past 30 years.
>>>> Where do you feel safer, any town in South Dakota or Washington DC?
>>>
>>>Are all gun-nuts as stump-stupid as you are?
>>
>> Are all you left wing nuts stump stupid?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>If you crammed all the people of South Dakota into a space as small
>>>as Wash D.C., do you think crime would go up or down?
>>
>> As you so accurately point out; guns aren't the problem.
> 
> Really?
> 
> So how much Gun Crime would there be if there were no guns?
> 
> Take a second and ponder that. 

Why?  It's as asinine and meaninless a statement as saying no people 
would die if there were no people.


-- 
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http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

Never complain about old age......many others never had that opportunity.

"Rodney Long"  wrote in message 
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> Blinky Bill wrote:
>> "Rodney Long"  wrote in message 
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>>
>>> They Banned firearms in D.C. to reduce murder, and the rates went up ?
>>
>> Murder rates didn't rise significantly until about 12 years after the 
>> 1976 ban. In fact the average murder rate for the 11 years after the ban 
>> was less than the average murder rate for the 7 years before the ban, and 
>> the difference is statistically significant.
>>
>>> Now you answer why that is ?
>>
>> The murder rate also went up before the ban. About 7 years before the ban 
>> it became relatively stable then dropped a little after the ban - why was 
>> that? If there is some connection between the gun ban and murder rate, 
>> why did it take 12 years to show itself?
>
> HELLO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello - there's no need to shout.

>
> Because 35,000 handguns were registered, and grand fathered in
>
> Because the criminals could not believe every citizen registered their 
> guns, they sure didn't, and didn't think the majority of the people would
>
> It took time for them to realize the streets belonged to them.

How did the streets belong to them? What evidence do you have to support 
your claim about what the criminals thought? How does your "theory" explain 
the rise that occurred from 1964 to 1968? How does it explain that the 
murder rate was lower for 12 years?

> Now the big question are we talking homicide rates or murder rates ? or 
> were these two swapped, homicide rates before the ban, murder rates after 
> the ban ?

Murder rates as listed at
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/dccrime.htm
which claim to be based on FBI UCR data.

>
> I know for a fact, that in only one year since the enactment of the ban 
> was there a lower murder rate,

A lower murder rate than what - what numbers are you comparing?

>all other years it has been higher after the ban.

Where does evidence for your claim come from?
The site above shows the average of the 7 years before the 1976 ban was 
34.6. The average for the 12 years after the ban was 29.9.

>
> Now another question, how has the over all violent crime rates responded 
> to the ban ?

Let's not move the goal posts.

"_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote in message

> Only because piss-pant cowards like you can even conceive of
> defending yourself without a gun ... while MILLIONS of other
> people manage to do that every year.
>
> Sucks to be you, eh?

No doubt you wouldn't use a fire extinquisher against a kitchen fire 
either... since millions don't.

Check the FBI/DOJ statistics, they say the best way to avoid being killed in 
confrontational crime is to be armed.

Why is that you want to even the odds with criminal predators? You on their 
side?

"RSweeney"  wrote in message 
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>
> "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote in message
>
>> Only because piss-pant cowards like you can even conceive of
>> defending yourself without a gun ... while MILLIONS of other
>> people manage to do that every year.
>>
>> Sucks to be you, eh?
>
> No doubt you wouldn't use a fire extinquisher against a kitchen fire 
> either... since millions don't.
>
> Check the FBI/DOJ statistics, they say the best way to avoid being killed 
> in confrontational crime is to be armed.

You lying piece of crap.

The best way to avoid being killed in a confrontation is to
avoid the confrontation in the first place you pig-ignorant Neanderthal.


>
> Why is that you want to even the odds with criminal predators? You on 
> their side?

You live in perpetual fear, don't you coward?

"Reality_Check©"  wrote in message 
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> "RSweeney"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote in message
>>
>>> Only because piss-pant cowards like you can even conceive of
>>> defending yourself without a gun ... while MILLIONS of other
>>> people manage to do that every year.
>>>
>>> Sucks to be you, eh?
>>
>> No doubt you wouldn't use a fire extinquisher against a kitchen fire 
>> either... since millions don't.
>>
>> Check the FBI/DOJ statistics, they say the best way to avoid being killed 
>> in confrontational crime is to be armed.
>
> You lying piece of crap.
>
> The best way to avoid being killed in a confrontation is to
> avoid the confrontation in the first place you pig-ignorant Neanderthal.
>
>
>>
>> Why is that you want to even the odds with criminal predators? You on 
>> their side?
>
> You live in perpetual fear, don't you coward?

Once again, check the FBI/DOJ stats and see who is safer, the victim who 
cowers and begs for mercy or the one who is armed and demands to be left 
alone. Check and see for yourself.

as for fear, I sleep well knowing I have options.
And you? It seems you are terrified that people like me are armed.

"Reality_Check©"  wrote in news:6g1sc4Fdl2t4U1
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> "RSweeney"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote in message
>>
>>> Only because piss-pant cowards like you can even conceive of
>>> defending yourself without a gun ... while MILLIONS of other
>>> people manage to do that every year.
>>>
>>> Sucks to be you, eh?
>>
>> No doubt you wouldn't use a fire extinquisher against a kitchen fire 
>> either... since millions don't.
>>
>> Check the FBI/DOJ statistics, they say the best way to avoid being killed 
>> in confrontational crime is to be armed.
> 
> You lying piece of crap.
> 
> The best way to avoid being killed in a confrontation is to
> avoid the confrontation in the first place you pig-ignorant Neanderthal.

And if it comes to you anyway do you simply tell him you refuse to 
participate?

> 
> 
>>
>> Why is that you want to even the odds with criminal predators? You on 
>> their side? 
> 
> You live in perpetual fear, don't you coward? 
> 

Given the amount of profanity coming from you I'd say the only fearful coward 
was you.



-- 
"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to 
tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But 
being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and 
would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I 
feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?"

Reality_Check© wrote:
>
>>
>> Check the FBI/DOJ statistics, they say the best way to avoid being killed 
>> in confrontational crime is to be armed.
> 
> You lying piece of crap.
> 
> The best way to avoid being killed in a confrontation is to
> avoid the confrontation in the first place you pig-ignorant Neanderthal.


Please tell us how "you" avoid this, and is your way fool proof, so 
their is a zero chance of it failing.

What if you come up on someone else being killed ? what do "YOU" do ?

In todays World, there is no 100% sure fire way to avoid any and every 
confrontation. Not if you don't live in a Fort Nox, and you never go out 
of it.

(I know a man who just went to get his hair cut , he was in the barber 
chair when two armed men came in and robbed it, and robbed all inside 
it. They had them all on the floor when one of the robbers said to the 
other one, "we can't have any "live" witnesses, the other one yelled, 
you guys know Jesus ? Your about to meet him. This man rolled over on 
the floor pulling out a little 2 shot  22 mag. derringer, and fired the 
two shots striking  both robbers in the head, killing them both.)

If it had been you in this barber shop, instead of him, all would have 
been killed.
> 
> 
>> Why is that you want to even the odds with criminal predators? You on 
>> their side?
> 
> You live in perpetual fear, don't you coward? 

I have no fear at all, I'm not constantly looking around for someone who 
might harm me or , my family. Like it has been stated here, a handgun is 
just like a fire extinguisher, when you carry one in your car or boat, 
you have no perpetual fear of them catching fire, if by the very slim 
chance it does, your ready. You avoid, every way you can, of a fire 
happening, as you never want to use that fire extinguisher. If your 
lucky, you never will have to use it, but you would be a fool not to 
have one, What if "you" come up on someone else's car on fire, and they 
are trapped inside it ?

I fear a person like you would just keep driving, dialing 911, too 
afraid of the fire .

Of course this is was an analogy,

what would you do if you see a women, being dragged screaming into a 
car, yelling for help ?

I'm sure you would dial 911

I would stop it, then dial 911

Which would give the women a better chance of living ?


> 
> 


-- 
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Fishing lure remote control
See lure video you won't believe
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"Reality_Check©"  wrote in message 
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> "RSweeney"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote in message
>>
>>> Only because piss-pant cowards like you can even conceive of
>>> defending yourself without a gun ... while MILLIONS of other
>>> people manage to do that every year.
>>>
>>> Sucks to be you, eh?
>>
>> No doubt you wouldn't use a fire extinquisher against a kitchen fire 
>> either... since millions don't.
>>
>> Check the FBI/DOJ statistics, they say the best way to avoid being killed 
>> in confrontational crime is to be armed.
>
> You lying piece of crap.
>
> The best way to avoid being killed in a confrontation is to
> avoid the confrontation in the first place you pig-ignorant Neanderthal.

 The crimminal picks the time and place for the confrontation, making it 
difficult to avoid at time. Your only option is to be able to provide a more 
aggressive defend so he picks a softer target.  Which means he would go 
after someone who is not armed and a softer target..
 Thinking you can past a law to remove guns will end killing is living in a 
dream world.  As long as there are criminals out there one of them will 
provide a gun to the others as long as he can make a dollar. Thinking you 
can avoid confrontatonal situations is totally unrealistic, at some point 
something is going to happen to put you at risk, unless you live in total 
isolation and that in itself puts you at risk.

"Rodney Long"  wrote in message 
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> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Check the FBI/DOJ statistics, they say the best way to avoid being 
>>> killed in confrontational crime is to be armed.
>>
>> You lying piece of crap.
>>
>> The best way to avoid being killed in a confrontation is to
>> avoid the confrontation in the first place you pig-ignorant Neanderthal.
>
>
> Please tell us how "you" avoid this, and is your way fool proof, so their 
> is a zero chance of it failing.
>
> What if you come up on someone else being killed ? what do "YOU" do ?
>
> In todays World, there is no 100% sure fire way to avoid any and every 
> confrontation. Not if you don't live in a Fort Nox, and you never go out 
> of it.
>
> (I know a man who just went to get his hair cut , he was in the barber 
> chair when two armed men came in and robbed it, and robbed all inside it. 
> They had them all on the floor when one of the robbers said to the other 
> one, "we can't have any "live" witnesses, the other one yelled, you guys 
> know Jesus ? Your about to meet him. This man rolled over on the floor 
> pulling out a little 2 shot  22 mag. derringer, and fired the two shots 
> striking  both robbers in the head, killing them both.)
>
> If it had been you in this barber shop, instead of him, all would have 
> been killed.

 The problem with the people who think taking away the guns will solve the 
problem is they don't learn the cold hard truth until they wake up dead.

Harry Callahan wrote:
> "Reality_Check©"  wrote
>> "RSweeney"  wrote in message
>>> "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Only because piss-pant cowards like you can even conceive of
>>>> defending yourself without a gun ... while MILLIONS of other
>>>> people manage to do that every year.
>>>>
>>>> Sucks to be you, eh?
>>>
>>> No doubt you wouldn't use a fire extinquisher against a kitchen fire
>>> either... since millions don't.
>>>
>>> Check the FBI/DOJ statistics, they say the best way to avoid being
>>> killed in confrontational crime is to be armed.
>>
>> You lying piece of crap.
>>
>> The best way to avoid being killed in a confrontation is to
>> avoid the confrontation in the first place you pig-ignorant
>> Neanderthal.
>
> And if it comes to you anyway do you simply tell him you refuse to
> participate?
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Why is that you want to even the odds with criminal predators? You
>>> on their side?
>>
>> You live in perpetual fear, don't you coward?
>>
>
> Given the amount of profanity coming from you I'd say the only
> fearful coward was you.

Another non-sequitur from the stammering gun-loon.

The Dog wrote:
> "Reality_Check©"  wrote in message
>> "RSweeney"  wrote in message
>>> "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Only because piss-pant cowards like you can even conceive of
>>>> defending yourself without a gun ... while MILLIONS of other
>>>> people manage to do that every year.
>>>>
>>>> Sucks to be you, eh?
>>>
>>> No doubt you wouldn't use a fire extinquisher against a kitchen fire
>>> either... since millions don't.
>>>
>>> Check the FBI/DOJ statistics, they say the best way to avoid being
>>> killed in confrontational crime is to be armed.
>>
>> You lying piece of crap.
>>
>> The best way to avoid being killed in a confrontation is to
>> avoid the confrontation in the first place you pig-ignorant
>> Neanderthal.
>
> The crimminal picks the time and place for the confrontation, making
> it difficult to avoid at time. Your only option is to be able to
> provide a more aggressive defend so he picks a softer target.  Which
> means he would go after someone who is not armed and a softer target..

Which explains why the U$$A always attacks and invades far smaller,
weaker and poorer sovereign nations, eh numbnuts?


> Thinking you can past a law to remove guns will end killing is living
> in a dream world.  As long as there are criminals out there one of
> them will provide a gun to the others as long as he can make a
> dollar. Thinking you can avoid confrontatonal situations is totally
> unrealistic,

Tell it to the Palestinians living in Israeli occupied territories ...

> at some point something is going to happen to put you at
> risk, unless you live in total isolation and that in itself puts you
> at risk.

You just can't shake your abject fear of life, can you nutter?

what would one expect from a nigger party in atlanta?

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> Shots Fired at Party with Usher and Nelly
> By Mike Fleeman and Anne Marie Cruz
> 
> UpdatePosted Saturday August 02, 2008 03:30 PM EDT
> 
> Gunfire erupted early Saturday at an Atlanta nightclub party sponsored by 
> Jermaine Dupri and attended by music stars Usher, Nelly and Sean "Diddy" Combs. 
> A security guard was reportedly wounded.
> 
> "I'm sad this incident happened because it interrupted a beautiful and loving 
> party. But I'm happy none of my people or friends got hurt. And the party 
> continues," Dupri tells PEOPLE in a statement.
> 
> The shots were fired at about 3:30 a.m. at the party at Dreamz ATL after some 
> guests were allegedly double-charged by security guards to enter, DeKalb County 
> police spokesman Marcus Hodge tells WSBTV.
> 
> Rowdy guests were escorted outside, where the shooting occurred, Hodge says. A 
> club security guard was shot in the arm. He was treated at a hospital and 
> released, Hodge says.
> 
> The party also was attended by actresses Gabrielle Union and Regina King and 
> actor Larenz Tate.
> 
> "I didn't hear the shots, but around 3:30 a.m., everybody started ducking," 
> party guest Nigel D. of realtalkny.net tells PEOPLE. "Nobody really knew what 
> happened. It was dark in the club. And everyone was trying to get out of the VIP 
> area, but there were so many people no one could really move."
> 
> An announcement was made that the sound wasn't shots but a bottle popping or a 
> speaker problem, "But people, including the celebs, were still trying to leave, 
> so I don't think anyone believed them," he says. "I got outside, and the cops 
> shut the club down. No one inside could leave and no one outside in the parking 
> lot could leave either. One of my friends was stuck inside the club and people 
> were scared that the shooter was still inside." 
> 
> 

-- 
                          "*DEY CALLS ME DA NIGGER CREEPER*"

G_Reaper wrote:
> what would one expect from a nigger party in atlanta?
>
> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>> Shots Fired at Party with Usher and Nelly
>> By Mike Fleeman and Anne Marie Cruz
>>
>> UpdatePosted Saturday August 02, 2008 03:30 PM EDT
>>
>> Gunfire erupted early Saturday at an Atlanta nightclub party
>> sponsored by Jermaine Dupri and attended by music stars Usher, Nelly
>> and Sean "Diddy" Combs. A security guard was reportedly wounded.
>>
>> "I'm sad this incident happened because it interrupted a beautiful
>> and loving party. But I'm happy none of my people or friends got
>> hurt. And the party continues," Dupri tells PEOPLE in a statement.
>>
>> The shots were fired at about 3:30 a.m. at the party at Dreamz ATL
>> after some guests were allegedly double-charged by security guards
>> to enter, DeKalb County police spokesman Marcus Hodge tells WSBTV.
>>
>> Rowdy guests were escorted outside, where the shooting occurred,
>> Hodge says. A club security guard was shot in the arm. He was
>> treated at a hospital and released, Hodge says.
>>
>> The party also was attended by actresses Gabrielle Union and Regina
>> King and actor Larenz Tate.
>>
>> "I didn't hear the shots, but around 3:30 a.m., everybody started
>> ducking," party guest Nigel D. of realtalkny.net tells PEOPLE.
>> "Nobody really knew what happened. It was dark in the club. And
>> everyone was trying to get out of the VIP area, but there were so
>> many people no one could really move." An announcement was made that the 
>> sound wasn't shots but a bottle
>> popping or a speaker problem, "But people, including the celebs,
>> were still trying to leave, so I don't think anyone believed them,"
>> he says. "I got outside, and the cops shut the club down. No one
>> inside could leave and no one outside in the parking lot could leave
>> either. One of my friends was stuck inside the club and people were
>> scared that the shooter was still inside."

The Dog wrote:
> "Rodney Long"  wrote in message
> news:EqXmk.13228$QX3.9653@newsfe02.iad...
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Check the FBI/DOJ statistics, they say the best way to avoid being
>>>> killed in confrontational crime is to be armed.
>>>
>>> You lying piece of crap.
>>>
>>> The best way to avoid being killed in a confrontation is to
>>> avoid the confrontation in the first place you pig-ignorant
>>> Neanderthal.
>>
>>
>> Please tell us how "you" avoid this, and is your way fool proof, so
>> their is a zero chance of it failing.
>>
>> What if you come up on someone else being killed ? what do "YOU" do ?
>>
>> In todays World, there is no 100% sure fire way to avoid any and
>> every confrontation. Not if you don't live in a Fort Nox, and you
>> never go out of it.
>>
>> (I know a man who just went to get his hair cut , he was in the
>> barber chair when two armed men came in and robbed it, and robbed
>> all inside it. They had them all on the floor when one of the
>> robbers said to the other one, "we can't have any "live" witnesses,
>> the other one yelled, you guys know Jesus ? Your about to meet him.
>> This man rolled over on the floor pulling out a little 2 shot  22
>> mag. derringer, and fired the two shots striking  both robbers in
>> the head, killing them both.) If it had been you in this barber shop, instead 
>> of him, all would
>> have been killed.
>
> The problem with the people who think taking away the guns will solve
> the problem is they don't learn the cold hard truth until they wake
> up dead.

This from the scared puppy who rolls over and pees on himself.

_ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
> G_Reaper wrote:
>> what would one expect from a nigger party in atlanta?
>>
>> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>>> Shots Fired at Party with Usher and Nelly
>>> By Mike Fleeman and Anne Marie Cruz
>>>
>>> UpdatePosted Saturday August 02, 2008 03:30 PM EDT
>>>
>>> Gunfire erupted early Saturday at an Atlanta nightclub party
>>> sponsored by Jermaine Dupri and attended by music stars Usher, Nelly
>>> and Sean "Diddy" Combs. A security guard was reportedly wounded.
>>>
>>> "I'm sad this incident happened because it interrupted a beautiful
>>> and loving party. But I'm happy none of my people or friends got
>>> hurt. And the party continues," Dupri tells PEOPLE in a statement.
>>>
>>> The shots were fired at about 3:30 a.m. at the party at Dreamz ATL
>>> after some guests were allegedly double-charged by security guards
>>> to enter, DeKalb County police spokesman Marcus Hodge tells WSBTV.
>>>
>>> Rowdy guests were escorted outside, where the shooting occurred,
>>> Hodge says. A club security guard was shot in the arm. He was
>>> treated at a hospital and released, Hodge says.
>>>
>>> The party also was attended by actresses Gabrielle Union and Regina
>>> King and actor Larenz Tate.
>>>
>>> "I didn't hear the shots, but around 3:30 a.m., everybody started
>>> ducking," party guest Nigel D. of realtalkny.net tells PEOPLE.
>>> "Nobody really knew what happened. It was dark in the club. And
>>> everyone was trying to get out of the VIP area, but there were so
>>> many people no one could really move." An announcement was made that the 
>>> sound wasn't shots but a bottle
>>> popping or a speaker problem, "But people, including the celebs,
>>> were still trying to leave, so I don't think anyone believed them,"
>>> he says. "I got outside, and the cops shut the club down. No one
>>> inside could leave and no one outside in the parking lot could leave
>>> either. One of my friends was stuck inside the club and people were
>>> scared that the shooter was still inside." 
> 
> 

-- 
                          "*DEY CALLS ME DA NIGGER CREEPER*"

G_Reaper  wrote in 
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> -- 
>                           "*DEY CALLS ME DA NIGGER CREEPER*"

Susan Dey called you a nigger creeper?  She seems so sweet!