Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian church in 
Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have arrested a suspect in 
the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley 
Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department 
spokesman. Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the church, 
he said.

Reality_Check© wrote:

> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian church in 
> Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have arrested a suspect in 
> the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley 
> Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department 
> spokesman. Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the church, 
> he said. 

You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed them all?

John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 

> Reality_Check© wrote:
> 
>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>> church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>> arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at
>> the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>> Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>> for minor injuries at the church, he said. 
> 
> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed them
> all? 
> 

I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.

-- 
Enkidu AA#2165  
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?" 
          John Maynard Keynes

In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
 wrote: 

> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
> 
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>> 
>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>> church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>> arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at
>>> the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>>> Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>>> for minor injuries at the church, he said. 
>> 
>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed them
>> all? 
>> 
> 
> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.

I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
Tennessee, is illegal. 

-- 
Bert Hyman	St. Paul, MN	bert@iphouse.com

Bert Hyman  wrote in news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@
216.250.184.7:

> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>  wrote: 
> 
>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
>> 
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>> church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>> arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at
>>>> the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>>>> Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>>>> for minor injuries at the church, he said. 
>>> 
>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed them
>>> all? 
>>> 
>> 
>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
>> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
> Tennessee, is illegal. 

If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.

-- 
Enkidu AA#2165  
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

I hold out the following challenge to christians:
 
You talk a great deal about evil and you choose to blame the devil, whom 
you call Satan. I challenge you to read your bibles and find therein, 
just one example of one act committed by Satan that is half as cruel, 
vicious, brutal and sadistic as the hundreds of despicable acts committed 
by your abominable god, Jehovah.

In news:Xns9AE864D058FF7255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
 wrote: 

> Bert Hyman  wrote in
> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
> 
>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
>>> 
>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>>> church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>>> arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET
>>>>> at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent
>>>>> Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people
>>>>> were treated for minor injuries at the church, he said. 
>>>> 
>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed
>>>> them all? 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
>>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
>>> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>> Tennessee, is illegal. 
> 
> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.

So, you knew that your remark about "the things we Americans keep legal,
the things we criminalize" had no bearing on the topic, but you made it
anyway? 

That's interesting.

Good luck.

-- 
Bert Hyman	St. Paul, MN	bert@iphouse.com

Enkidu wrote:
> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
> 
> 
>>Reality_Check© wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at
>>>the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>>>Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>>>for minor injuries at the church, he said. 
>>
>>You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed them
>>all? 
>>
> 
> 
> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.

Smoking "Joints" is not legal there.
Attempted murder is not legal anywhere.


Were you born stupid, or did you later become that way due to a injury 
or other malfunction?

Enkidu wrote:

> Bert Hyman  wrote in news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@
> 216.250.184.7:
> 
> 
>>In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>> wrote: 
>>
>>
>>>John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
>>>
>>>
>>>>Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>>>church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>>>arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at
>>>>>the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>>>>>Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>>>>>for minor injuries at the church, he said. 
>>>>
>>>>You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed them
>>>>all? 
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
>>>a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
>>>criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>
>>I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>Tennessee, is illegal. 
> 
> 
> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.

You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do it?

Reality_Check© wrote:
> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian church in 
> Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have arrested a suspect in 
> the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley 
> Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department 
> spokesman. Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the church, 
> he said. 

Bet he was a christian listening to god. Why on earth pick on the 
unitarians?

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:42:54 +0100, martin 
wrote:

>Reality_Check© wrote:
>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian church in 
>> Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have arrested a suspect in 
>> the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley 
>> Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department 
>> spokesman. Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the church, 
>> he said. 
>
>Bet he was a christian listening to god. Why on earth pick on the 
>unitarians?
>
Maybe the guy hated the muscial "Annie" ?  



"If I had to choose a religion, the sun as the universal
 giver of life would be my god." - Napoleon Bonaparte

"Bert Hyman"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7...
> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>  wrote:
>
>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>> church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>> arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at
>>>> the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>>>> Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>>>> for minor injuries at the church, he said.
>>>
>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed them
>>> all?
>>>
>>
>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for
>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we
>> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>
> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
> Tennessee, is illegal.

How's Buster?

"John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Enkidu wrote:
>
>> Bert Hyman  wrote in news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@
>> 216.250.184.7:
>>
>>
>>>In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>>
>>>>>Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>>>>church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>>>>arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at
>>>>>>the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>>>>>>Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>>>>>>for minor injuries at the church, he said.
>>>>>
>>>>>You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed them
>>>>>all?
>>>>
>>>>I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for a 
>>>>dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
>>>>criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>
>>>I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>Tennessee, is illegal.
>>
>>
>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
>
> You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do it?

"I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and
fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell 
me,
'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did.
Now again.  I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their
state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle
East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
         -- George W. Bush,  June 2003

Reality_Check© wrote:
> "John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
> news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> Enkidu wrote:
>>
>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@
>>> 216.250.184.7:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>>>>> church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>>>>> arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at
>>>>>>> the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>>>>>>> Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>>>>>>> for minor injuries at the church, he said.
>>>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed them
>>>>>> all?
>>>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for a 
>>>>> dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
>>>>> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>> Tennessee, is illegal.
>>>
>>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
>> You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do it?
> 
> "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and
> fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell 
> me,
> 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did.
> Now again.  I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their
> state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle
> East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
>          -- George W. Bush,  June 2003 
> 
> 
So, you've proven his point...

Bert Hyman  wrote in
news:Xns9AE87A0C4607EVeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7: 

> In news:Xns9AE864D058FF7255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>  wrote: 
> 
>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>> 
>>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>  wrote: 
>>> 
>>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
>>>> 
>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a
>>>>>> Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said.
>>>>>> Police have arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred
>>>>>> about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said
>>>>>> Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman.
>>>>>> Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the church,
>>>>>> he said. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed
>>>>> them all? 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
>>>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we
>>>> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>> Tennessee, is illegal. 
>> 
>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
> 
> So, you knew that your remark about "the things we Americans keep
> legal, the things we criminalize" had no bearing on the topic, but you
> made it anyway? 

Guns are legal, pot is not. You can justify keeping guns legal as a 
fundamental freedom and the deaths as a price we pay to maintain that 
freedom. I might agree with you, I might not, but I would admit the logic 
of your argument. But then why criminalize pot? (That's just one example 
I could have chosen.) Why infringe on the personal liberty of an adult to 
use a natural drug which has never and could never harm a fraction of a 
percent as many people as guns do? Why do we put up with so much death in 
the name of personal liberty in the one case, and roll over to the power 
of the state to regulate personal behavior in the other?

-- 
Enkidu AA#2165  
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

"Only error needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself"
     -Thomas Jefferson

John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net: 

> Enkidu wrote:
> 
>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>> 
>> 
>>>In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>>>John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>>>>church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>>>>arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET
>>>>>>at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent
>>>>>>Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people
>>>>>>were treated for minor injuries at the church, he said. 
>>>>>
>>>>>You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed
>>>>>them all? 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
>>>>a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
>>>>criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>
>>>I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>Tennessee, is illegal. 
>> 
>> 
>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
> 
> You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do
> it? 
> 

Not hardly.

-- 
Enkidu AA#2165  
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                 


Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.
          -- Benjamin Franklin

"Enkidu"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4...
> Bert Hyman  wrote in
> news:Xns9AE87A0C4607EVeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7:
>
>> In news:Xns9AE864D058FF7255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>>
>>>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a
>>>>>>> Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said.
>>>>>>> Police have arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred
>>>>>>> about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said
>>>>>>> Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman.
>>>>>>> Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the church,
>>>>>>> he said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed
>>>>>> them all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for
>>>>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we
>>>>> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>> Tennessee, is illegal.
>>>
>>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
>>
>> So, you knew that your remark about "the things we Americans keep
>> legal, the things we criminalize" had no bearing on the topic, but you
>> made it anyway?
>
> Guns are legal, pot is not.

Bullshit!

S B  wrote in
news:laOdnVjgAPB7JhHVnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@comcast.com: 

> Reality_Check© wrote:
>> "John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
>> news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>> Enkidu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>>> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a
>>>>>>>> Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said.
>>>>>>>> Police have arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred
>>>>>>>> about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said
>>>>>>>> Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman.
>>>>>>>> Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the
>>>>>>>> church, he said. 
>>>>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed
>>>>>>> them all?
>>>>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for
>>>>>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things
>>>>>> we criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>>> Tennessee, is illegal.
>>>>
>>>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
>>> You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do
>>> it? 
>> 
>> "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go
>> and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God
>> would tell me,
>> 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did.
>> Now again.  I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians
>> their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the
>> Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
>>          -- George W. Bush,  June 2003 
>> 
>> 
> So, you've proven his point...
> 

Not hardly.

-- 
Enkidu AA#2165  
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                        
                                                                 


Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.
          -- Benjamin Franklin

Reality_Check© wrote:
> "John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
> news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> 

>>You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do it?
> 
(snip)

You forgot to answer the guestion, you moron.

I have already said MANY times, that anybody that believes in "Gods" is 
a moron.

"John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
news:488cbe93$0$5016$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Reality_Check© wrote:
>> "John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
>> news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>
>>>You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do it?
>>
> (snip)
>
> You forgot to answer the guestion, you moron.

Speak English much, eh asswipe?


> I have already said MANY times, that anybody that believes in "Gods" is a 
> moron.

"I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and
fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell
me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did.
Now again.  I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their
state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle
East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
         -- George W. Bush,  June 2003

In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
 wrote: 

>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and the
>  deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom. 

The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom." 

-- 
Bert Hyman	St. Paul, MN	bert@iphouse.com

Reality_Check© wrote:
> "John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
> news:488cbe93$0$5016$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>> "John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
>>> news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>
>>>> You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do it?
>> (snip)
>>
>> You forgot to answer the guestion, you moron.
> 
> Speak English much, eh asswipe?
> 
> 
>> I have already said MANY times, that anybody that believes in "Gods" is a 
>> moron.
> 
> "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and
> fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell
> me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did.
> Now again.  I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their
> state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle
> East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
>          -- George W. Bush,  June 2003
> 
> 
> 
And, AGAIN, you prove his point.

"Reality_Check©"  wrote in
news:6f3sqrF9j9meU1@mid.individual.net: 

> 
> "Enkidu"  wrote in message 
> news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4...
>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>> news:Xns9AE87A0C4607EVeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7:
>>
>>> In news:Xns9AE864D058FF7255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>>> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>>>
>>>>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a
>>>>>>>> Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said.
>>>>>>>> Police have arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred
>>>>>>>> about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said
>>>>>>>> Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman.
>>>>>>>> Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the
>>>>>>>> church, he said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed
>>>>>>> them all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for
>>>>>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things
>>>>>> we criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>>> Tennessee, is illegal.
>>>>
>>>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
>>>
>>> So, you knew that your remark about "the things we Americans keep
>>> legal, the things we criminalize" had no bearing on the topic, but
>>> you made it anyway?
>>
>> Guns are legal, pot is not.
> 
> Bullshit!

Which part? Are guns illigal? Is pot legal?

-- 
Enkidu AA#2165  
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA


". . . believing in things that aren't true doesn't make you deep, it
just makes you wrong." 
     -The Atheist Barmaid

John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in news:488cbe93$0$5016
$607ed4bc@cv.net:

> Reality_Check© wrote:
>> "John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
>> news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> 
> 
>>>You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do 
it?
>> 
> (snip)
> 
> You forgot to answer the guestion, you moron.
> 
> I have already said MANY times, that anybody that believes in "Gods" is 
> a moron.
> 

I wouldn't say "moron" but I'd go as far as calling them "deluded fools."

-- 
Enkidu AA#2165  
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

". . . believing in things that aren't true doesn't make you deep, it 
just makes you wrong."
     -The Atheist Barmaid

S B wrote:

> Reality_Check© wrote:
> 
>> "John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
>> news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>>> Enkidu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in 
>>>> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@
>>>> 216.250.184.7:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>>>>>> church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>>>>>> arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. 
>>>>>>>> ET at
>>>>>>>> the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>>>>>>>> Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>>>>>>>> for minor injuries at the church, he said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed 
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
>>>>>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things 
>>>>>> we criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>>> Tennessee, is illegal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
>>>
>>> You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do it?
>>
>>
>> "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and
>> fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would 
>> tell me,
>> 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did.
>> Now again.  I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians 
>> their
>> state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle
>> East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
>>          -- George W. Bush,  June 2003
>>
> So, you've proven his point..


Reality Check needs a canceled reality check!

Of Course GW Bush is an idiot.
  I NEVER said otherwise!

Butt, he is still better than Gore and Kerry combined!

John Locke wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:42:54 +0100, martin 
> wrote:
> 
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian church in 
>>> Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have arrested a suspect in 
>>> the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley 
>>> Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department 
>>> spokesman. Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the church, 
>>> he said. 
>> Bet he was a christian listening to god. Why on earth pick on the 
>> unitarians?
>>
> Maybe the guy hated the muscial "Annie" ?  

ok, more than justified!

Bert Hyman  wrote in news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@
216.250.184.7:

> In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>  wrote: 
> 
>>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and the
>>  deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom. 
> 
> The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
> have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom." 

Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the English and 
the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do. We also 
would have lost the freedom to own guns. I'm sure we would all rather 
keep the freedom without the nasty side effect of criminals using guns, 
but nobody has found a way to do that so far.

(One could make a similar argument about cars and drunk drivers too. 
Banning cars would eliminate drunk driving, but at a high cost to the 
rest of us who obey the law.)

If you have a solution, don't keep it to yourself!

-- 
Enkidu AA#2165  
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

"The Old Testament is responsible for more atheism, agnosticism, 
disbelief call it what you will than all of the counterattractions of 
cinema, motor bicycle, and golf course." 
      A. A. Milne
      (01/18/1882 - 01/31/1956)

Enkidu wrote:
> Bert Hyman  wrote in news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@
> 216.250.184.7:
> 
>> In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>  wrote: 
>>
>>>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and the
>>>  deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom. 
>> The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
>> have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom." 
> 
> Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the English and 
> the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do.

COMPLETELY unsupported assertion.

John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
news:488cc070$0$5007$607ed4bc@cv.net: 

> S B wrote:
> 
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>> 
>>> "John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
>>> news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>
>>>> Enkidu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in 
>>>>> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@
>>>>> 216.250.184.7:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a
>>>>>>>>> Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said.
>>>>>>>>> Police have arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred
>>>>>>>>> about 10 a.m. ET at
>>>>>>>>> the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent
>>>>>>>>> Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12
>>>>>>>>> people were treated for minor injuries at the church, he said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and
>>>>>>>> killed them
>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11
>>>>>>> for a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the
>>>>>>> things we criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>>>> Tennessee, is illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was
>>>>> illegal. 
>>>>
>>>> You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do
>>>> it? 
>>>
>>>
>>> "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go
>>> and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God
>>> would tell me,
>>> 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did.
>>> Now again.  I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the
>>> Palestinians their
>>> state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the
>>> Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
>>>          -- George W. Bush,  June 2003
>>>
>> So, you've proven his point..
> 
> 
> Reality Check needs a canceled reality check!
> 
> Of Course GW Bush is an idiot.
>   I NEVER said otherwise!
> 
> But, he is still better than Gore and Kerry combined!

We will never know, will we?

-- 
Enkidu AA#2165  
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

                                                                                                                                                                                            


Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are 
putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it.
   -Mark Twain

Sam Buckland <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:g6ig2j$pjl$2@registered.motzarella.org: 

> Enkidu wrote:
>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>> news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>> 
>>> In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>  wrote: 
>>>
>>>>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and
>>>>  the deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom. 
>>> The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
>>> have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom." 
>> 
>> Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
>> and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do.
> 
> COMPLETELY unsupported assertion.

What? That people don't get shot by guns in countries where there is one 
handgun per thousand like they do in a country where there is one handgun 
per person?

-- 
Enkidu AA#2165  
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

                                                                                                                                                                                            


Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. 
Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it.
          -John Adams, letter to his son, John Quincy Adams, November 13, 
1816

Enkidu wrote:
> Sam Buckland <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:g6ig2j$pjl$2@registered.motzarella.org: 
> 
>> Enkidu wrote:
>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>> news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>>
>>>> In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>  wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and
>>>>>  the deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom. 
>>>> The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
>>>> have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom." 
>>> Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
>>> and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do.
>> COMPLETELY unsupported assertion.
> 
> What? That people don't get shot by guns in countries where there is one 
> handgun per thousand like they do in a country where there is one handgun 
> per person?
> 
No, that "If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do."

Are you having trouble following along?

In news:Xns9AE87867B286255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
 wrote: 

> 
> Bert Hyman  wrote in
> news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
> 
>> In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>>>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and the
>>>  deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom. 
>> 
>> The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
>> have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom." 
> 
> Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
> and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do. 

Really? Just like alcohol prohibition eliminated alcohol from the land
and the War on (Some) Drugs has removed all traces of illegal drugs? 

You're just a shill for organized crime, aren't you?

-- 
Bert Hyman	St. Paul, MN	bert@iphouse.com

Enkidu  wrote in news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@
130.133.1.4:

> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
> 
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>> 
>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>> church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>> arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET at
>>> the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>>> Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>>> for minor injuries at the church, he said. 
>> 
>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed them
>> all? 
>> 
> 
> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
> 

Guns should be legal.....bad and onerous behavior should be punished.  
However, we get too many priests and revernds crying about what a poor 
childhood the perp had.  Tough shit.  He knew the difference between 
right and wrong.

-- 
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

Never complain about old age......many others never had that opportunity.

Enkidu  wrote in news:Xns9AE864D058FF7255229@
130.133.1.4:

> Bert Hyman  wrote in 
news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@
> 216.250.184.7:
> 
>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
>>> 
>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>>> church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>>> arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET 
at
>>>>> the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent Seymour, a
>>>>> Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people were treated
>>>>> for minor injuries at the church, he said. 
>>>> 
>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed 
them
>>>> all? 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
>>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
>>> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>> Tennessee, is illegal. 
> 
> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
> 

Bullshit.  In that case God must be hiding in his Rice Krispies.

-- 
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

Never complain about old age......many others never had that opportunity.

Enkidu  wrote in
news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4: 

> Bert Hyman  wrote in
> news:Xns9AE87A0C4607EVeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7: 
> 
>> In news:Xns9AE864D058FF7255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>> 
>>>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>  wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a
>>>>>>> Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said.
>>>>>>> Police have arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred
>>>>>>> about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said
>>>>>>> Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman.
>>>>>>> Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the church,
>>>>>>> he said. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed
>>>>>> them all? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
>>>>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things
>>>>> we criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>> Tennessee, is illegal. 
>>> 
>>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
>> 
>> So, you knew that your remark about "the things we Americans keep
>> legal, the things we criminalize" had no bearing on the topic, but
>> you made it anyway? 
> 
> Guns are legal, pot is not. You can justify keeping guns legal as a 
> fundamental freedom and the deaths as a price we pay to maintain that 
> freedom. I might agree with you, I might not, but I would admit the
> logic of your argument. But then why criminalize pot? (That's just one
> example I could have chosen.) Why infringe on the personal liberty of
> an adult to use a natural drug which has never and could never harm a
> fraction of a percent as many people as guns do? Why do we put up with
> so much death in the name of personal liberty in the one case, and
> roll over to the power of the state to regulate personal behavior in
> the other? 
> 

Most of us in here agree with you on the decriminalization of pot.

-- 
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

Never complain about old age......many others never had that opportunity.

Bert Hyman wrote:
> In news:Xns9AE87867B286255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
>>Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>
>>
>>>In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>>> You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and the
>>>> deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom. 
>>>
>>>The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
>>>have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom." 
>>
>>Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
>>and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do. 
> 
> 
> Really? Just like alcohol prohibition eliminated alcohol from the land
> and the War on (Some) Drugs has removed all traces of illegal drugs? 
> 
> You're just a shill for organized crime, aren't you?

Enkidu forgot that DEATH(murder rates) did not stop when firearms were 
made "illegal".
He forgot that the rates are going UP, and the Sheople are still UNARMED!

Enkidu  wrote in
news:Xns9AE87867B286255229@130.133.1.4: 

> Bert Hyman  wrote in
> news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
> 
>> In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>>>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and the
>>>  deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom. 
>> 
>> The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
>> have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom." 
> 
> Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
> and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do.

We'd have a much higher suicide like the Japanese and dental problems 
like the Brits.

> We also would have lost the freedom to own guns. I'm sure we would all
> rather keep the freedom without the nasty side effect of criminals
> using guns, but nobody has found a way to do that so far.

Nobody wants to really look at the ways.  It is so much easier and gives 
better soundbytes to blame the gun.
 
> (One could make a similar argument about cars and drunk drivers too. 
> Banning cars would eliminate drunk driving, but at a high cost to the 
> rest of us who obey the law.)
> 
> If you have a solution, don't keep it to yourself!

One needs to take a long look and cultural, social and economic factors, 
education to be viable in the workplace and present greater opportunity 
or the perception of it.  That is too difficult for too many to do. 



-- 
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

Never complain about old age......many others never had that opportunity.

Enkidu  wrote in news:Xns9AE8788D5137D255229@
130.133.1.4:

> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
> news:488cc070$0$5007$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
> 
>> S B wrote:
>> 
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
>>>> news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>>
>>>>> Enkidu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in 
>>>>>> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@
>>>>>> 216.250.184.7:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a
>>>>>>>>>> Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said.
>>>>>>>>>> Police have arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred
>>>>>>>>>> about 10 a.m. ET at
>>>>>>>>>> the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent
>>>>>>>>>> Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12
>>>>>>>>>> people were treated for minor injuries at the church, he said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and
>>>>>>>>> killed them
>>>>>>>>> all?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11
>>>>>>>> for a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the
>>>>>>>> things we criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>>>>> Tennessee, is illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was
>>>>>> illegal. 
>>>>>
>>>>> You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do
>>>>> it? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go
>>>> and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God
>>>> would tell me,
>>>> 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did.
>>>> Now again.  I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the
>>>> Palestinians their
>>>> state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the
>>>> Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
>>>>          -- George W. Bush,  June 2003
>>>>
>>> So, you've proven his point..
>> 
>> 
>> Reality Check needs a canceled reality check!
>> 
>> Of Course GW Bush is an idiot.
>>   I NEVER said otherwise!
>> 
>> But, he is still better than Gore and Kerry combined!
> 
> We will never know, will we?
> 

Nope.  If Gore had only won his home state.  Of course, he didn't and he 
lost.

-- 
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman

Never complain about old age......many others never had that opportunity.

"Enkidu"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9AE875CE350CB255229@130.133.1.4...
> "Reality_Check©"  wrote in
> news:6f3sqrF9j9meU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>>
>> "Enkidu"  wrote in message
>> news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4...
>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>> news:Xns9AE87A0C4607EVeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7:
>>>
>>>> In news:Xns9AE864D058FF7255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>>>> news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a
>>>>>>>>> Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said.
>>>>>>>>> Police have arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred
>>>>>>>>> about 10 a.m. ET at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said
>>>>>>>>> Capt. Brent Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman.
>>>>>>>>> Another 12 people were treated for minor injuries at the
>>>>>>>>> church, he said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed
>>>>>>>> them all?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for
>>>>>>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things
>>>>>>> we criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>>>> Tennessee, is illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>> If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
>>>>
>>>> So, you knew that your remark about "the things we Americans keep
>>>> legal, the things we criminalize" had no bearing on the topic, but
>>>> you made it anyway?
>>>
>>> Guns are legal, pot is not.
>>
>> Bullshit!
>
> Which part?

Both, moron.

> Are guns illigal?

Yes. Many types of guns are illegal in many places,
and all guns are illegal in some places.

>Is pot legal?

Yes. Pot is legal in many places.

Have you always been stupid?

Reality_Check© wrote:

> Both, moron.
> 
>> Are guns illigal?
> 
> Yes. Many types of guns are illegal in many places,
> and all guns are illegal in some places.
> 
>> Is pot legal?
> 
> Yes. Pot is legal in many places.

We were talking about the US.

If you weren't, fuckoff.

"Sam Buckland" <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:g6ikk0$vhm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Reality_Check© wrote:
>
>> Both, moron.
>>
>>> Are guns illigal?
>>
>> Yes. Many types of guns are illegal in many places,
>> and all guns are illegal in some places.
>>
>>> Is pot legal?
>>
>> Yes. Pot is legal in many places.
>
> We were talking about the US.

Correct, you stump stupid stammering asswipe.

Enkidu wrote:

> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
> news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
> 
> 
>>Enkidu wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>>news:Xns9AE878B31793CVeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>> wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>>>>>news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net: 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>>>>>Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>>>>>church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>>>>>arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET
>>>>>>>at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent
>>>>>>>Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people
>>>>>>>were treated for minor injuries at the church, he said. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed
>>>>>>them all? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for 
>>>>>a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we 
>>>>>criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>>>
>>>>I'm pretty sure that shooting people, even in a church, even in
>>>>Tennessee, is illegal. 
>>>
>>>
>>>If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was illegal.
>>
>>You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do
>>it? 

> Not hardly.

Yet you claim to be an ordained minister and chaplain?

What do you do when you DO listen to "The voices?"

Do you or do you NOT believe in crap and/or "The voices?"

Where's yer church?

I really wanna see and hear yer sermons on any particular day.

"If God told him to do it, he had no choice, even if it was 
illegal."--Enkidu--

Enkidu wrote:

> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in news:488cbe93$0$5016
> $607ed4bc@cv.net:
> 
> 
>>Reality_Check© wrote:
>>
>>>"John Wetton" <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in message 
>>>news:488cac28$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>>
>>
>>>>You one of those twits that when you hear "god" talk to you, you do 
> 
> it?
> 
>>(snip)
>>
>>You forgot to answer the guestion, you moron.
>>
>>I have already said MANY times, that anybody that believes in "Gods" is 
>>a moron.

> I wouldn't say "moron" but I'd go as far as calling them "deluded fools."

Oh my.. yer making a major funny!

  I get it!

Reality_Check© wrote:
> "Sam Buckland" <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:g6ikk0$vhm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>
>>> Both, moron.
>>>
>>>> Are guns illigal?
>>> Yes. Many types of guns are illegal in many places,
>>> and all guns are illegal in some places.
>>>
>>>> Is pot legal?
>>> Yes. Pot is legal in many places.
>> We were talking about the US.
> 
> Correct, you stump stupid stammering asswipe. 
> 
> 
I think Sam's point was, it's NOT legal ANYWHERE in the
US. SOME states have tried to DO that, but, Federal law
will eventually force them to admit they're wrong.

Sorry, you stump stupid stammering asswipe.

Enkidu wrote:

>>Of Course GW Bush is an idiot.
>>  I NEVER said otherwise!
>>
>>But, he is still better than Gore and Kerry combined!

> We will never know, will we?

Hopefully, no!

"S B"  wrote in message 
news:3_Odnfz8n8yBRRHVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@comcast.com...
> Reality_Check© wrote:
>> "Sam Buckland" <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:g6ikk0$vhm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>
>>>> Both, moron.
>>>>
>>>>> Are guns illigal?
>>>> Yes. Many types of guns are illegal in many places,
>>>> and all guns are illegal in some places.
>>>>
>>>>> Is pot legal?
>>>> Yes. Pot is legal in many places.
>>> We were talking about the US.
>>
>> Correct, you stump stupid stammering asswipe.
> I think Sam's point was, it's NOT legal ANYWHERE in the
> US.

You just can't stop being wrong, can you moron?

"RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:Xns9AE8851099211Sandman@216.196.97.136...
> Enkidu  wrote in
> news:Xns9AE87867B286255229@130.133.1.4:
>
>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>> news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>
>>> In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and the
>>>>  deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom.
>>>
>>> The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
>>> have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom."
>>
>> Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
>> and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do.
>
> We'd have a much higher suicide like the Japanese and dental problems
> like the Brits.

And women like the French ...

Reality_Check© wrote:
> "S B"  wrote in message 
> news:3_Odnfz8n8yBRRHVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>> "Sam Buckland" <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:g6ikk0$vhm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Both, moron.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are guns illigal?
>>>>> Yes. Many types of guns are illegal in many places,
>>>>> and all guns are illegal in some places.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is pot legal?
>>>>> Yes. Pot is legal in many places.
>>>> We were talking about the US.
>>> Correct, you stump stupid stammering asswipe.
>> I think Sam's point was, it's NOT legal ANYWHERE in the
>> US.
> 
> You just can't stop being wrong, can you moron?
> 

It's NOT LEGAL ANYWHERE IN THE US, you lying, sack of shit.

S B wrote:
> Reality_Check© wrote:
>> "S B"  wrote in message 
>> news:3_Odnfz8n8yBRRHVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>> "Sam Buckland" <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>> news:g6ikk0$vhm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Both, moron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are guns illigal?
>>>>>> Yes. Many types of guns are illegal in many places,
>>>>>> and all guns are illegal in some places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is pot legal?
>>>>>> Yes. Pot is legal in many places.
>>>>> We were talking about the US.
>>>> Correct, you stump stupid stammering asswipe.
>>> I think Sam's point was, it's NOT legal ANYWHERE in the
>>> US.
>>
>> You just can't stop being wrong, can you moron?
>>
> 
> It's NOT LEGAL ANYWHERE IN THE US, you lying, sack of shit.

Except the states listed in blue:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Map-of-US-state-medical-marijuana-laws.png

-- 
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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
*                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
******************************************************

DanielSan wrote:
> S B wrote:
>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>> "S B"  wrote in message 
>>> news:3_Odnfz8n8yBRRHVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>> "Sam Buckland" <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:g6ikk0$vhm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both, moron.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are guns illigal?
>>>>>>> Yes. Many types of guns are illegal in many places,
>>>>>>> and all guns are illegal in some places.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is pot legal?
>>>>>>> Yes. Pot is legal in many places.
>>>>>> We were talking about the US.
>>>>> Correct, you stump stupid stammering asswipe.
>>>> I think Sam's point was, it's NOT legal ANYWHERE in the
>>>> US.
>>>
>>> You just can't stop being wrong, can you moron?
>>>
>>
>> It's NOT LEGAL ANYWHERE IN THE US, you lying, sack of shit.
> 
> Except the states listed in blue:
> 

Sorry sport. It's still against FEDERAL law. It's like "gay marriage".
It's a short term aberration. Just like all the 2nd Amendment "not being
an individual right" bullshit.

We'll fix it soon.

S B wrote:
> DanielSan wrote:
>> S B wrote:
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>> "S B"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:3_Odnfz8n8yBRRHVnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>> "Sam Buckland" <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:g6ikk0$vhm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Both, moron.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are guns illigal?
>>>>>>>> Yes. Many types of guns are illegal in many places,
>>>>>>>> and all guns are illegal in some places.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is pot legal?
>>>>>>>> Yes. Pot is legal in many places.
>>>>>>> We were talking about the US.
>>>>>> Correct, you stump stupid stammering asswipe.
>>>>> I think Sam's point was, it's NOT legal ANYWHERE in the
>>>>> US.
>>>>
>>>> You just can't stop being wrong, can you moron?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's NOT LEGAL ANYWHERE IN THE US, you lying, sack of shit.
>>
>> Except the states listed in blue:
>>
> 
> Sorry sport. It's still against FEDERAL law. 

Cite the federal law.

> It's like "gay marriage".

Cite the federal law.

> It's a short term aberration. Just like all the 2nd Amendment "not being
> an individual right" bullshit.
> 
> We'll fix it soon.

Like interracial marriage, eh?

-- 
******************************************************
*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
*                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
******************************************************

"S B"  wrote in message 
news:h7CdnRs0-4n3WBHVnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@comcast.com...
> Enkidu wrote:
>> Sam Buckland <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>> news:g6ig2j$pjl$2@registered.motzarella.org:
>>> Enkidu wrote:
>>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>>> news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>>>
>>>>> In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and
>>>>>>  the deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom.
>>>>> The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
>>>>> have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom."
>>>> Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
>>>> and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do.
>>> COMPLETELY unsupported assertion.
>>
>> What? That people don't get shot by guns in countries where there is one 
>> handgun per thousand like they do in a country where there is one handgun 
>> per person?
>>
> No, that "If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
> and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do."
>
> Are you having trouble following along?

These figures aren't the most recent, but I can't be bothered to hunt them 
down.  I rather doubt that the relations have changed much in the past seven 
years.
In 2001, there were 101 shooting-related homicides in the UK (excluding 
victims of terrorist activity in Northern Ireland), out of a population of 
just under 60 million.

In the same time in the US, there were 10,131 shooting-related homicides in 
the US, out of a population of just over 280 million.

In other words, your population is four and a half times as large as ours, 
but you manage to kill 100 times as many people with firearms.  Intentional 
deaths only, mind you -- I didn't even bother to look up accidents and 
suicides.

Make of these figures what you will.

RD (The Sandman) wrote:
> Enkidu  wrote in
> news:Xns9AE8638DC22AF255229@ 130.133.1.4:
>
>> John Wetton <Asia@Bass.gov.> wrote in
>> news:488ca521$0$20932$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>
>>> Reality_Check© wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gunman wounds 7 at Tennessee church
>>>> Seven people were shot and critically wounded today at a Unitarian
>>>> church in Knoxville, Tennessee, authorities said. Police have
>>>> arrested a suspect in the attack, which occurred about 10 a.m. ET
>>>> at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Church, said Capt. Brent
>>>> Seymour, a Knoxville Fire Department spokesman. Another 12 people
>>>> were treated for minor injuries at the church, he said.
>>>
>>> You would have preferred that he used a bomb instead, and killed
>>> them all?
>>>
>>
>> I'd prefer he smoked a joint, then walked to the nearest 7-11 for
>> a dozen twinkies. The things we Americans keep legal, the things we
>> criminalize . . . hard to explain it sometimes.
>>
>
> Guns should be legal.....bad and onerous behavior should be punished.
> However, we get too many priests and revernds crying about what a poor
> childhood the perp had.  Tough shit.  He knew the difference between
> right and wrong.

Are those priests and reverends making that cry as they're sodomizing
1000s of young boys, or is it the young boys you hear crying in agony?

On Jul 27, 7:26 pm, "Alex W."  wrote:
> "S B"  wrote in message
>
> news:h7CdnRs0-4n3WBHVnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Enkidu wrote:
> >> Sam Buckland <noth...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> >>news:g6ig2j$pjl$2@registered.motzarella.org:
> >>> Enkidu wrote:
> >>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
> >>>> news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>
> >>>>> Innews:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4Enkidu
> >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and
> >>>>>>  the deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom.
> >>>>> The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
> >>>>> have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ... freedom."
> >>>> Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
> >>>> and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do> >>> COMPLETELY unsupported assertion.
>
> >> What? That people don't get shot by guns in countries where there is one
> >> handgun per thousand like they do in a country where there is one handgun
> >> per person?
>
> > No, that "If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
> > and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they do."
>
> > Are you having trouble following along?
>
> These figures aren't the most recent, but I can't be bothered to hunt them
> down.  I rather doubt that the relations have changed much in the past seven
> years.
> In 2001, there were 101 shooting-related homicides in the UK (excluding
> victims of terrorist activity in Northern Ireland), out of a population of
> just under 60 million.
>
> In the same time in the US, there were 10,131 shooting-related homicides in
> the US, out of a population of just over 280 million.
>
> In other words, your population is four and a half times as large as ours> but you manage to kill 100 times as many people with firearms.  Intentional
> deaths only, mind you -- I didn't even bother to look up accidents and
> suicides.
>
> Make of these figures what you will.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Typical cherry picking of statistics to prove a point. You purposely
use an example of nations with strict gun laws and low homicide rates
to prove your point. You ignore states with strict gun laws and
homicide rates much higher than the US. Russia and Brazil being two
such examples. Two can play that game. The population of Washington DC
and South Dakota is roughly the same. For the past 32 years,
Washington DC has had the strictest gun laws in the US and is
consistently at or near the top in homicide rates. On the other hand,
South Dakota with very few restrictions on firearms, has one of the
lowest homicide rates in the nation.

Alex W. wrote:
> "S B"  wrote in message
> news:h7CdnRs0-4n3WBHVnZ2dnUVZ_rDinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Enkidu wrote:
>>> Sam Buckland <nothing@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:g6ig2j$pjl$2@registered.motzarella.org:
>>>> Enkidu wrote:
>>>>> Bert Hyman  wrote in
>>>>> news:Xns9AE88A073EB2VeebleFetzer@ 216.250.184.7:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In news:Xns9AE873BA8C3FC255229@130.133.1.4 Enkidu
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>  You can justify keeping guns legal as a fundamental freedom and
>>>>>>>  the deaths as a price we pay to maintain that freedom.
>>>>>> The deaths you speak of are the result of criminal acts, and
>>>>>> have nothing to do with any "price we pay to maintain ...
>>>>>> freedom."
>>>>> Sure they do. If we had banned guns generations ago like the
>>>>> English and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death
>>>>> like they do.
>>>> COMPLETELY unsupported assertion.
>>>
>>> What? That people don't get shot by guns in countries where there
>>> is one handgun per thousand like they do in a country where there
>>> is one handgun per person?
>>>
>> No, that "If we had banned guns generations ago like the English
>> and the Japanese, we would have fewer gun-related death like they
>> do." Are you having trouble following along?
>
> These figures aren't the most recent, but I can't be bothered to hunt
> them down.  I rather doubt that the relations have changed much in
> the past seven years.
> In 2001, there were 101 shooting-related homicides in the UK
> (excluding victims of terro