http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg

Petrified schoolboy, 14, 'ran pleading for help before gang stabbed
him to death'

A terrified 14-year-old killed in a knife attack begged a bystander
for help as he fled from a mob of teenagers, the Old Bailey heard
today.

Witness Tom Morgan told the court how stab victim Martin Dinnegan ran
past him pleading: 'Please help me.'

Mr Morgan said he saw the petrified boy hold his hands out in an
attempt to placate one of his pursuers but Martin was felled by a
punch to the head.

His attacker then pinned him to the ground and made repeated stabbing
motions towards his back, the court heard.

Mr Morgan and his girlfriend rang 999 and, in a tape recording played
to the jury, told the operator: 'There is a white guy and a massive
group of black guys who are kicking the crap out of him.'

Two men and two youths have pleaded not guilty to the murder of Martin
in Holloway in June last year.

Aftab Jafferjee QC, prosecuting, has told the jury how Martin was
beaten to the ground and stabbed 'in a case that moved from dirty
looks to death within an hour'.

Mr Morgan gave evidence today from behind screens to shield his face
from the dock and the public gallery.

He told how he and his girlfriend had been on their way to get a DVD
from a rental store when the boy he later recognised as Martin,
wearing a grey tracksuit and hood, ran towards them.


'He was very white faced, he was sprinting towards us and shouted:
"Help me, please help me,"' Mr Morgan said.

'He ran past us on the road to my left then a guy with a black
tracksuit went past on a large-framed BMX.

'He was cycling after the victim and was the distance of one parked
car away from us.

'He was very dark skinned although I was unable to see his face as he
was wearing a black hooded jumper with the hood pulled up.

'He dropped the bike when he got alongside the victim. Martin stood
still and put his hands up as if to placate the cyclist. Martin
appeared scared, very scared.

'The effect on the cyclist was almost nothing whatsoever and the next
thing was that a large haymaker came from his right fist. It was a
right hook and the blow connected with Martin's head or neck.'

At this point Mr Morgan's attention was distracted by another youth
sprinting up and shouting, the court heard.

'I looked back up the road and Martin was on the floor now,' Mr Morgan
said.

'It looked as if the first assailant was leaning on top of Martin who
was on his back and side facing away from us.

'The first assailant was leaning with all his weight on Martin's
shoulder and upper arm pressing him to the floor so that Martin seemed
to be pinned to the floor.

'Then I saw what seemed to be a stabbing motion rather than a punching
motion four or five times in very rapid succession.'

Mr Morgan explained that he had not seen a knife but, as he was
experienced in martial arts and disarming those armed with knives, he
could identify the difference between a punching and stabbing action,
which he demonstrated to the jury.

He then told how a crowd of up to 20 people aged 'between 10 and 20'
started 'laying into' Martin.

Mr Morgan rang 999 at 8.38pm, telling the operator that it looked as
though one of the attackers had a knife.

Martin, a pupil at St Aloysius College in Archway, died at the scene.

Rene John-Baptiste, 21, of Plaistow, Sean Clark, 19, of Holloway, and
a 16-year-old from Finsbury Park and a 17-year-old from Holloway, who
cannot be named because of their ages, have all pleaded not guilty to
murder.

The case continues.

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St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
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> 

   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
sociological context.

From  St Georges Day April 23rd , in
uk.politics.misc on Tue, 3 Jun 2008 03:37:14 -0700 (PDT) : 

>http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>
>Petrified schoolboy, 14, 'ran pleading for help before gang stabbed
>him to death'
>
>A terrified 14-year-old killed in a knife attack begged a bystander
>for help as he fled from a mob of teenagers, the Old Bailey heard
>today.
>
>Witness Tom Morgan told the court how stab victim Martin Dinnegan ran
>past him pleading: 'Please help me.'
>
>Mr Morgan said he saw the petrified boy hold his hands out in an
>attempt to placate one of his pursuers but Martin was felled by a
>punch to the head.
>
>His attacker then pinned him to the ground and made repeated stabbing
>motions towards his back, the court heard.
>
>Mr Morgan and his girlfriend rang 999 and, in a tape recording played
>to the jury, told the operator: 'There is a white guy and a massive
>group of black guys who are kicking the crap out of him.'
>
>Two men and two youths have pleaded not guilty to the murder of Martin
>in Holloway in June last year.
>
>Aftab Jafferjee QC, prosecuting, has told the jury how Martin was
>beaten to the ground and stabbed 'in a case that moved from dirty
>looks to death within an hour'.
>
>Mr Morgan gave evidence today from behind screens to shield his face
>from the dock and the public gallery.
>
>He told how he and his girlfriend had been on their way to get a DVD
>from a rental store when the boy he later recognised as Martin,
>wearing a grey tracksuit and hood, ran towards them.
>
>
>'He was very white faced, he was sprinting towards us and shouted:
>"Help me, please help me,"' Mr Morgan said.
>
>'He ran past us on the road to my left then a guy with a black
>tracksuit went past on a large-framed BMX.
>
>'He was cycling after the victim and was the distance of one parked
>car away from us.
>
>'He was very dark skinned although I was unable to see his face as he
>was wearing a black hooded jumper with the hood pulled up.
>
>'He dropped the bike when he got alongside the victim. Martin stood
>still and put his hands up as if to placate the cyclist. Martin
>appeared scared, very scared.
>
>'The effect on the cyclist was almost nothing whatsoever and the next
>thing was that a large haymaker came from his right fist. It was a
>right hook and the blow connected with Martin's head or neck.'
>
>At this point Mr Morgan's attention was distracted by another youth
>sprinting up and shouting, the court heard.
>
>'I looked back up the road and Martin was on the floor now,' Mr Morgan
>said.
>
>'It looked as if the first assailant was leaning on top of Martin who
>was on his back and side facing away from us.
>
>'The first assailant was leaning with all his weight on Martin's
>shoulder and upper arm pressing him to the floor so that Martin seemed
>to be pinned to the floor.
>
>'Then I saw what seemed to be a stabbing motion rather than a punching
>motion four or five times in very rapid succession.'
>
>Mr Morgan explained that he had not seen a knife but, as he was
>experienced in martial arts and disarming those armed with knives, he
>could identify the difference between a punching and stabbing action,
>which he demonstrated to the jury.
>
>He then told how a crowd of up to 20 people aged 'between 10 and 20'
>started 'laying into' Martin.
>
>Mr Morgan rang 999 at 8.38pm, telling the operator that it looked as
>though one of the attackers had a knife.
>
>Martin, a pupil at St Aloysius College in Archway, died at the scene.
>
>Rene John-Baptiste, 21, of Plaistow, Sean Clark, 19, of Holloway, and
>a 16-year-old from Finsbury Park and a 17-year-old from Holloway, who
>cannot be named because of their ages, have all pleaded not guilty to
>murder.
>
>The case continues.
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023608/Petrified-schoolboy-14-ran-pleading-help-gang-stabbed-death.html
>
>Your Daily Mail is NOT allowing comments on this article.

This all sounds like an excellent chance to celebrate diversity!

"Fred"  wrote in message 
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> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>
>
>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
> sociological context.

Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to 
help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people 
are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!

Kitty

"Kitty"  wrote in
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> 
> "Fred"  wrote in message 
> news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
>> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.j
>>> pg 
>>>
>>
>>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
>> sociological context.
> 
> Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders
> try to help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch
> while people are beaten or murdered like its some type of
> entertainment! 
> 
> Kitty 

Why are you being so intolerant? You have to consider cultural 
differences before you make these absurd snap judgements.

On Jun 3, 2:08 pm, Dr Quite Evil  wrote:

> "Kitty"  wrote innews:ngb1k.865$rm5.822@bignews7.bellsouth.net:

> > "Fred"  wrote in message
> >news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...

> >> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:

> >>>http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.j
> >>> pg

> >>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider
> >> sociological context.

> > Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders
> > try to help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch
> > while people are beaten or murdered like its some type of
> > entertainment!

> Why are you being so intolerant? You have to consider cultural
> differences before you make these absurd snap judgements.

Exactly.  Institutional racism is involved here - if those poor
African boys had been given the opportunities that the privileged
whites get, this could never have happened.

"St Georges Day April 23rd"  wrote in 
message 
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> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>
> Petrified schoolboy, 14, 'ran pleading for help before gang stabbed
> him to death'
>
> A terrified 14-year-old killed in a knife attack begged a bystander
> for help as he fled from a mob of teenagers, the Old Bailey heard
> today.
>

An argument to bring back the death penalty, truly horrendous. The people 
who committed this crim should never get the opportunity to ever feel the 
cool wind of freedom on their faces ever again.

Gaz

"Fred"  wrote in message 
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> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>
>
>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
> sociological context.

I dont care if he was wearing a clan costume and singing slave songs, no one 
deserves such brutal response.

Gaz

"Gaz"  wrote in message 
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>
> "St Georges Day April 23rd"  wrote in 
> message 
> news:3709a08d-d443-41b5-acdb-52514afd5851@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>
>> Petrified schoolboy, 14, 'ran pleading for help before gang stabbed
>> him to death'
>>
>> A terrified 14-year-old killed in a knife attack begged a bystander
>> for help as he fled from a mob of teenagers, the Old Bailey heard
>> today.
>>
>
> An argument to bring back the death penalty, truly horrendous. The people 
> who committed this crim should never get the opportunity to ever feel the 
> cool wind of freedom on their faces ever again.
>
> Gaz
>

Amen, this was clearly a "hate" crime and warrants death penalty--but UK has 
no balls............


Kitty

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:02:52 -0400  'Kitty'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>"Fred"  wrote in message 
>news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
>> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>>
>>
>>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
>> sociological context.
>
>Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to 
>help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people 
>are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!

Would you attempt to intervene at the risk of being knifed by some
half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob? He might even have been
concealing a machete down his pants.

I'm afraid the only real solution is for citizens to be armed.
Mr Morgan could then have walked up to the half-crazed African
brainfucked nutjob and just blown his head off. Young boy's life
saved, one half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob dead. No chance
of him producing any more half-crazed African brainfucked nutjobs.

End of problem.


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:43:38 +0100, aracari
 wrote:

>
>On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:02:52 -0400  'Kitty'
>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>>"Fred"  wrote in message 
>>news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
>>> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>>>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
>>> sociological context.
>>
>>Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to 
>>help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people 
>>are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!
>
>Would you attempt to intervene at the risk of being knifed by some
>half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob? He might even have been
>concealing a machete down his pants.
>
>I'm afraid the only real solution is for citizens to be armed.
>Mr Morgan could then have walked up to the half-crazed African
>brainfucked nutjob and just blown his head off. Young boy's life
>saved, one half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob dead. No chance
>of him producing any more half-crazed African brainfucked nutjobs.
>
>End of problem.

but but but.....guns kill people

regards

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St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
> 
> Petrified schoolboy, 14, 'ran pleading for help before gang stabbed
> him to death'
> 
> A terrified 14-year-old killed in a knife attack begged a bystander
> for help as he fled from a mob of teenagers, the Old Bailey heard
> today.

    Has this case been featured on TV news yet?  I havent seen BEEB 
news, so maybe it has been?

From  "Kitty" , in uk.politics.misc on Tue, 3 Jun
2008 09:02:52 -0400 : 

>
>"Fred"  wrote in message 
>news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
>> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>>
>>
>>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
>> sociological context.
>
>Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to 
>help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people 
>are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!
>
>Kitty 
>

We shouldn't be to quick to judge here, Kitty.  First off, I keep hearing
that each culture is just as equal as the other.  Secondly, Many cultures
have at their core a desire for the elimination of melanin-challenged
persons.  This may be put in the vernacular as well:  "Kill whitey".
All this be being true, more than likely to interfere with their right to
freely practise their culture would be a violation of their human rights
under the UN -- also  it is probably a black thing that we would not
understand........

Quite possibly it could be considered a religious ritual as well.......

FACE

"Fred"  wrote in message 
news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>
>
>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
> sociological context.

I agree, if they were muslim they might have just been observing Muhammad's
orders to slay infidels. In which case, the crime is justifiable. Because if 
it's
NOT justifiable you're discriminating against muslims and you're a racist.

"Kitty"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Fred"  wrote in message 
> news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
>> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>>
>>
>>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
>> sociological context.
>
> Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to 
> help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people 
> are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!
>
> Kitty

I believe Fred was being scathingly sarcastic.

"FACE"  wrote in message 
news:23ca449rfflkp0isggg92tlb01clrf31ah@4ax.com...
> From  St Georges Day April 23rd , in
> uk.politics.misc on Tue, 3 Jun 2008 03:37:14 -0700 (PDT) :
>
>>http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>
>>Petrified schoolboy, 14, 'ran pleading for help before gang stabbed
>>him to death'
>>
>>A terrified 14-year-old killed in a knife attack begged a bystander
>>for help as he fled from a mob of teenagers, the Old Bailey heard
>>today.
>>
>>Witness Tom Morgan told the court how stab victim Martin Dinnegan ran
>>past him pleading: 'Please help me.'
>>
>>Mr Morgan said he saw the petrified boy hold his hands out in an
>>attempt to placate one of his pursuers but Martin was felled by a
>>punch to the head.
>>
>>His attacker then pinned him to the ground and made repeated stabbing
>>motions towards his back, the court heard.
>>
>>Mr Morgan and his girlfriend rang 999 and, in a tape recording played
>>to the jury, told the operator: 'There is a white guy and a massive
>>group of black guys who are kicking the crap out of him.'
>>
>>Two men and two youths have pleaded not guilty to the murder of Martin
>>in Holloway in June last year.
>>
>>Aftab Jafferjee QC, prosecuting, has told the jury how Martin was
>>beaten to the ground and stabbed 'in a case that moved from dirty
>>looks to death within an hour'.
>>
>>Mr Morgan gave evidence today from behind screens to shield his face
>>from the dock and the public gallery.
>>
>>He told how he and his girlfriend had been on their way to get a DVD
>>from a rental store when the boy he later recognised as Martin,
>>wearing a grey tracksuit and hood, ran towards them.
>>
>>
>>'He was very white faced, he was sprinting towards us and shouted:
>>"Help me, please help me,"' Mr Morgan said.
>>
>>'He ran past us on the road to my left then a guy with a black
>>tracksuit went past on a large-framed BMX.
>>
>>'He was cycling after the victim and was the distance of one parked
>>car away from us.
>>
>>'He was very dark skinned although I was unable to see his face as he
>>was wearing a black hooded jumper with the hood pulled up.
>>
>>'He dropped the bike when he got alongside the victim. Martin stood
>>still and put his hands up as if to placate the cyclist. Martin
>>appeared scared, very scared.
>>
>>'The effect on the cyclist was almost nothing whatsoever and the next
>>thing was that a large haymaker came from his right fist. It was a
>>right hook and the blow connected with Martin's head or neck.'
>>
>>At this point Mr Morgan's attention was distracted by another youth
>>sprinting up and shouting, the court heard.
>>
>>'I looked back up the road and Martin was on the floor now,' Mr Morgan
>>said.
>>
>>'It looked as if the first assailant was leaning on top of Martin who
>>was on his back and side facing away from us.
>>
>>'The first assailant was leaning with all his weight on Martin's
>>shoulder and upper arm pressing him to the floor so that Martin seemed
>>to be pinned to the floor.
>>
>>'Then I saw what seemed to be a stabbing motion rather than a punching
>>motion four or five times in very rapid succession.'
>>
>>Mr Morgan explained that he had not seen a knife but, as he was
>>experienced in martial arts and disarming those armed with knives, he
>>could identify the difference between a punching and stabbing action,
>>which he demonstrated to the jury.
>>
>>He then told how a crowd of up to 20 people aged 'between 10 and 20'
>>started 'laying into' Martin.
>>
>>Mr Morgan rang 999 at 8.38pm, telling the operator that it looked as
>>though one of the attackers had a knife.
>>
>>Martin, a pupil at St Aloysius College in Archway, died at the scene.
>>
>>Rene John-Baptiste, 21, of Plaistow, Sean Clark, 19, of Holloway, and
>>a 16-year-old from Finsbury Park and a 17-year-old from Holloway, who
>>cannot be named because of their ages, have all pleaded not guilty to
>>murder.
>>
>>The case continues.
>>
>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023608/Petrified-schoolboy-14-ran-pleading-help-gang-stabbed-death.html
>>
>>Your Daily Mail is NOT allowing comments on this article.
>
> This all sounds like an excellent chance to celebrate diversity!
>

The English can always rely on sharp words and sarcasm to defend
themselves against the barbarians invading the UK. They don't need
weapons -- they can rely on their government to protect them!

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:25:09 +0200  'abelard'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:43:38 +0100, aracari
> wrote:
>
>>
>>On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:02:52 -0400  'Kitty'
>>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>
>>>"Fred"  wrote in message 
>>>news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>>>>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
>>>> sociological context.
>>>
>>>Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to 
>>>help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people 
>>>are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!


>>Would you attempt to intervene at the risk of being knifed by some
>>half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob? He might even have been
>>concealing a machete down his pants.
>>
>>I'm afraid the only real solution is for citizens to be armed.
>>Mr Morgan could then have walked up to the half-crazed African
>>brainfucked nutjob and just blown his head off. Young boy's life
>>saved, one half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob dead. No chance
>>of him producing any more half-crazed African brainfucked nutjobs.
>>
>>End of problem.
>
>but but but.....guns kill people


People kill. Who would give it more than a passing thought had Mr
Morgan been armed and shot the half-crazed African brainfucked
nutjob before he knifed the young boy to death?


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:46:19 +0100, aracari
 wrote:

>
>On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:25:09 +0200  'abelard'
>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>>On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:43:38 +0100, aracari
>> wrote:

>>>On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:02:52 -0400  'Kitty'
>>>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>>
>>>>"Fred"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>>>>>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
>>>>> sociological context.
>>>>
>>>>Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to 
>>>>help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people 
>>>>are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!

>>>Would you attempt to intervene at the risk of being knifed by some
>>>half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob? He might even have been
>>>concealing a machete down his pants.
>>>
>>>I'm afraid the only real solution is for citizens to be armed.
>>>Mr Morgan could then have walked up to the half-crazed African
>>>brainfucked nutjob and just blown his head off. Young boy's life
>>>saved, one half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob dead. No chance
>>>of him producing any more half-crazed African brainfucked nutjobs.
>>>
>>>End of problem.
>>
>>but but but.....guns kill people

>People kill. Who would give it more than a passing thought had Mr
>Morgan been armed and shot the half-crazed African brainfucked
>nutjob before he knifed the young boy to death?

there would be outrage in the socialist labour party....
      less votes for the clown....
ban guns....guns kill....you can't get away from it....if there
      were less guns there be less lead poisoning

regards

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"aracari"  wrote in message 
news:b42e229791cb9f1950fb09478bb534c9@localhost.127.0.0.1...
> Mr Morgan could then have walked up to the half-crazed African
> brainfucked nutjob and just blown his head off. Young boy's life
> saved, one half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob dead. No chance
> of him producing any more half-crazed African brainfucked nutjobs.
>
> End of problem.

But, but, but what would Richard Miller etc say? Don't you know that that 
kind of talk is deeply offensive to liberals?

-- 
The Boss

"Gaz"  wrote in message 
news:6al4m9F360ctrU1@mid.individual.net...
> An argument to bring back the death penalty, truly horrendous. The people 
> who committed this crim should never get the opportunity to ever feel the 
> cool wind of freedom on their faces ever again.

Have you taken into account the sensitivities of Miller, Cynic and co? After 
all, these poor youngsters could be reformed, maybe not after their first 
murder, but maybe the second, tenth or whatever.

-- 
The Boss

On 3 Jun, 11:46, aracari  wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:25:09 퍭  'abelard'
> wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:43:38 퍝, aracari
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:02:52 -0400  'Kitty'
> >>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>
> >>>"Fred"  wrote in message
> >>>news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
> >>>> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
> >>>>>http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>
> >>>>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider
> >>>> sociological context.
>
> >>>Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to
> >>>help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people
> >>>are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!
> >>Would you attempt to intervene at the risk of being knifed by some
> >>half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob? He might even have been
> >>concealing a machete down his pants.
>
> >>I'm afraid the only real solution is for citizens to be armed.
> >>Mr Morgan could then have walked up to the half-crazed African
> >>brainfucked nutjob and just blown his head off. Young boy's life
> >>saved, one half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob dead. No chance
> >>of him producing any more half-crazed African brainfucked nutjobs.
>
> >>End of problem.
>
> >but but but.....guns kill people
>
> People kill. Who would give it more than a passing thought had Mr
> Morgan been armed and shot the half-crazed African brainfucked
> nutjob before he knifed the young boy to death?
>
> --
> socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
> you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

Fuck banning knives and guns. Banning negroes full stop would be a
much more ideal option. We've seen what they have to offer and it's
total shit from to bottom.

On Jun 3, 8:20 pm, "The Boss"  wrote:
> "Gaz"  wrote in message
>
> news:6al4m9F360ctrU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > An argument to bring back the death penalty, truly horrendous. The people
> > who committed this crim should never get the opportunity to ever feel the
> > cool wind of freedom on their faces ever again.
>
> Have you taken into account the sensitivities of Miller, Cynic and co? After
> all, these poor youngsters could be reformed, maybe not after their first
> murder, but maybe the second, tenth or whatever.
>
> --
> The Boss

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:38:37 -0400, "Kitty" 
wrote:

>Amen, this was clearly a "hate" crime and warrants death penalty--but UK has 
>no balls............

Therre is no evidence of racism, but the crime does deserve a few
decades in prison anyway.

Svenne

Whites are increasingly victims of Black racial violence and hate
crimes. In fact, a White person is 40 to 50 times more likely to be a
victim of Black gang violence than a Black is likely to be a victim of
White gang violence.  There almost no media coverage of the Black
violent hate crimes against Whites, the reason is the western media
has been almost completely bought up by jewish immigrants (http://
www.rense.com/general38/brits.htm) in whose interest it is to peddle a
multicultural image of the world.

Imagine a gang of ten Whites had attacked a lone 14 year old black
schoolboy, chasing him down as he pleaded for help from bystanders as
his mother sat at home in her usual routine, and he is knocked to the
ground with a fist and stabbed repeatedly to death on the floor.

As far as the immigration-extremist jewish marxist media are
concerned, they would be interviewing the Black victim on every TV
talk show across the land, discussing his fear, his pain, his
suffering. They would be interviewing his crying relatives and
friends.

Blacks may be violent and stupid but they certainly understand how
useful a cry of “It beez racism!” can be. After all, Britain has been
inciting them to racial hatred of Whites for decades with “anti-
racism” and the race-laws, which foster grievance, hostility and a
deep sense of victimhood and entitlement. You can see some of the
results above. Whites are under serious and growing threat from non-
whites, suffering a non-stop stream of murders, rapes and beatings.
But official propaganda, with breathtaking chutzpah, pretends exactly
the opposite - 'No action over racist attack on Stephen Lawrence
centre'.

http://www.heretical.com/ofarrell/whine.html
www.davidduke.com
www.stormfront.org

On Jun 3, 8:52 pm, Svenne  wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:38:37 -0400, "Kitty" 
> wrote:
>
> >Amen, this was clearly a "hate" crime and warrants death penalty--but UK has
> >no balls............
>
> Therre is no evidence of racism, but the crime does deserve a few
> decades in prison anyway.
>
> Svenne

Watch some fucking jew change the thread subject again. They are
nothing but a nuisance.

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:08:05 -0700 (PDT), St Georges Day April 23rd
 wrote:

>On Jun 3, 8:52 pm, Svenne  wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:38:37 -0400, "Kitty" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Amen, this was clearly a "hate" crime and warrants death penalty--but UK has
>> >no balls............
>>
>> Therre is no evidence of racism, but the crime does deserve a few
>> decades in prison anyway.

>> Svenne

>Watch some fucking jew change the thread subject again. They are
>nothing but a nuisance.

What change?

It's quite relevant. There has been no mention of a racial dimension
in any of the media reports or in statements by the police.

Svenne

"Svenne"  wrote in message 
news:es9b445qf3g24ia3s9kb1tq0rmcbitufdu@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:08:05 -0700 (PDT), St Georges Day April 23rd

>
> It's quite relevant. There has been no mention of a racial dimension
> in any of the media reports or in statements by the police.
>
> Svenne

This is not an indication that race was not a factor. It is automatically 
assumed that a racial motive exists when the roles are reversed.

Gaz

Africans have a different view of life and death.

On Jun 3, 12:16 pm, "The Boss"  wrote:
> "aracari"  wrote in message
>
> news:b42e229791cb9f1950fb09478bb534c9@localhost.127.0.0.1...
>
> > Mr Morgan could then have walked up to the half-crazed African
> > brainfucked nutjob and just blown his head off. Young boy's life
> > saved, one half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob dead. No chance
> > of him producing any more half-crazed African brainfucked nutjobs.
>
> > End of problem.
>
> But, but, but what would Richard Miller etc say? Don't you know that that
> kind of talk is deeply offensive to liberals?

Until the day when *they* become a victim.

"Oh if only I could find them".
The loony leftie Tony Banks after he was mugged by a gang
of them.
>
> --
> The Boss

On Jun 3, 10:34 am, FACE  wrote:
> From  "Kitty" , in uk.politics.misc on Tue, 3 Jun
> 2008 09:02:52 -0400 :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Fred"  wrote in message
> >news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
> >> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
> >>>http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg> >>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider
> >> sociological context.
>
> >Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to
> >help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people> >are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!
>
> >Kitty
>
> We shouldn't be to quick to judge here, Kitty.  First off, I keep hearing
> that each culture is just as equal as the other.  Secondly, Many cultures
> have at their core a desire for the elimination of melanin-challenged
> persons.

Melanin challenged"?  That's almost as bad as "Peoplehole
Covers".  The radical fems didn;t like "Manhole covers".


 This may be put in the vernacular as well:  "Kill whitey".
> All this be being true, more than likely to interfere with their right to
> freely practise their culture would be a violation of their human rights
> under the UN -- also  it is probably a black thing that we would not
> understand........

  And don't need to. They chose to leave Africa after they  got their
"Independence" and it is up to them to accept the culture of the
people they live among, not the other way around.
>
> Quite possibly it could be considered a religious ritual as well.......

Like gang-rape of white women.
>
> FACE- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Jun 3, 1:08 pm, St Georges Day April 23rd
 wrote:
> On Jun 3, 8:52 pm, Svenne  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:38:37 -0400, "Kitty" 
> > wrote:
>
> > >Amen, this was clearly a "hate" crime and warrants death penalty--but UK has
> > >no balls............
>
> > Therre is no evidence of racism, but the crime does deserve a few
> > decades in prison anyway.
>
> > Svenne
>
> Watch some fucking jew change the thread subject again. They are
> nothing but a nuisance.

Svenne is a jew?  He sounds Swedish to me. OTOH they
have a habit of changing their names don't they.   Trying to
find a jew who favours hanging for murder is as rare as
dodo eggs, unless of course, they are "Nazis".

"Nuisance"?  More like pests.

"Svenne"  wrote in message 
news:es9b445qf3g24ia3s9kb1tq0rmcbitufdu@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:08:05 -0700 (PDT), St Georges Day April 23rd
>  wrote:
>
>>On Jun 3, 8:52 pm, Svenne  wrote:
>>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:38:37 -0400, "Kitty" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Amen, this was clearly a "hate" crime and warrants death penalty--but 
>>> >UK has
>>> >no balls............
>>>
>>> Therre is no evidence of racism, but the crime does deserve a few
>>> decades in prison anyway.
>
>>> Svenne
>
>>Watch some fucking jew change the thread subject again. They are
>>nothing but a nuisance.
>
> What change?
>
> It's quite relevant. There has been no mention of a racial dimension
> in any of the media reports or in statements by the police.
>

There NEVER is. I can't think of a SINGLE instance in the UK or
the US when black on white crime has been prosecuted as a hate
crime. Gee, I guess that means it never occurs right?

> Svenne
>

wrote in message 
news:10540524-4c3a-477c-b06f-89173436a25e@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Svenne is a jew?

He is Clough, emigrated and changed his name.

-- 
The Boss

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:53:51 +0200  'abelard'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:46:19 +0100, aracari
> wrote:
>
>>
>>On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:25:09 +0200  'abelard'
>>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>
>>>On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:43:38 +0100, aracari
>>> wrote:
>
>>>>On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:02:52 -0400  'Kitty'
>>>>wrote this on uk.politics.misc:
>>>>
>>>>>"Fred"  wrote in message 
>>>>>news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
>>>>>>> http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider 
>>>>>> sociological context.
>>>>>
>>>>>Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to 
>>>>>help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people 
>>>>>are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!
>
>>>>Would you attempt to intervene at the risk of being knifed by some
>>>>half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob? He might even have been
>>>>concealing a machete down his pants.
>>>>
>>>>I'm afraid the only real solution is for citizens to be armed.
>>>>Mr Morgan could then have walked up to the half-crazed African
>>>>brainfucked nutjob and just blown his head off. Young boy's life
>>>>saved, one half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob dead. No chance
>>>>of him producing any more half-crazed African brainfucked nutjobs.
>>>>
>>>>End of problem.
>>>
>>>but but but.....guns kill people


>>People kill. Who would give it more than a passing thought had Mr
>>Morgan been armed and shot the half-crazed African brainfucked
>>nutjob before he knifed the young boy to death?


>there would be outrage in the socialist labour party....
>      less votes for the clown....
>ban guns....guns kill....you can't get away from it....if there
>      were less guns there be less lead poisoning

I suppose the police would arrest Mr Brave Citizen and Harriet
Hahahaman would demand some more laws to control men.


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:16:29 GMT  'The Boss'
wrote this on uk.politics.misc:

>"aracari"  wrote in message 
>news:b42e229791cb9f1950fb09478bb534c9@localhost.127.0.0.1...
>> Mr Morgan could then have walked up to the half-crazed African
>> brainfucked nutjob and just blown his head off. Young boy's life
>> saved, one half-crazed African brainfucked nutjob dead. No chance
>> of him producing any more half-crazed African brainfucked nutjobs.
>>
>> End of problem.
>
>But, but, but what would Richard Miller etc say? Don't you know that that 
>kind of talk is deeply offensive to liberals?

I'm sure it is. I can't meet everybody's demands.


-- 
socialism is like chronic heart disease ...
you may not know you suffer from it, but it'll kill you in the end.

On Jun 3, 2:02 pm, "Kitty"  wrote:
> "Fred"  wrote in message
>
> news:8oqdnd2yzNuCvNjVnZ2dnUVZ8qDinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
> >>http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/ParentsMorenoES_228x409.jpg
>
> >   Maybe he offended them? In any case it has to be viewed in a wider
> > sociological context.
>
> Being "offended" does not warrant MURDER. Why didn't the bystanders try to> help the boy???? This crap happens every day as people watch while people
> are beaten or murdered like its some type of entertainment!
>
> Kitty

Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.

Nkosi

On 3 Juni, 22:53, "¯Doug¦Ç"  wrote:
> "Svenne"  wrote in message
>
> news:es9b445qf3g24ia3s9kb1tq0rmcbitufdu@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:08:05 -0700 (PDT), St Georges Day April 23rd
> >  wrote:
>
> >>On Jun 3, 8:52 pm, Svenne  wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:38:37 -0400, "Kitty" 
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> >Amen, this was clearly a "hate" crime and warrants death penalty--but> >>> >UK has
> >>> >no balls............
>
> >>> Therre is no evidence of racism, but the crime does deserve a few
> >>> decades in prison anyway.
>
> >>> Svenne
>
> >>Watch some fucking jew change the thread subject again. They are
> >>nothing but a nuisance.
>
> > What change?
>
> > It's quite relevant. There has been no mention of a racial dimension
> > in any of the media reports or in statements by the police.
>
> There NEVER is. I can't think of a SINGLE instance in the UK or
> the US when black on white crime has been prosecuted as a hate
> crime.

I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriss_Donald

>Gee, I guess that means it never occurs right?





>
>
>
> > Svenne- Dölj citerad text -
>
> - Visa citerad text -- Dölj citerad text -
>
> - Visa citerad text -

"Nkosi"  wrote in message 
news:ecaaaec8-edc6-4830-a401-65f81e0cb50e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.


----------------

We never could.

Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had 
their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two 
'five lever' locks as required by law.

No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of self 
defence' for over half a century.

Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Nkosi"  wrote in message 
news:ecaaaec8-edc6-4830-a401-65f81e0cb50e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.


----------------

We never could.

Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had 
their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two 
'five lever' locks as required by law.

No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of self 
defence' for over half a century.

Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Nkosi"  wrote in message 
news:ecaaaec8-edc6-4830-a401-65f81e0cb50e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.


----------------

We never could.

Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had 
their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two 
'five lever' locks as required by law.

No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of self 
defence' for over half a century.

Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Nkosi"  wrote in message 
news:ecaaaec8-edc6-4830-a401-65f81e0cb50e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.


----------------

We never could.

Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had 
their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two 
'five lever' locks as required by law.

No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of self 
defence' for over half a century.

Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Nkosi"  wrote in message 
news:ecaaaec8-edc6-4830-a401-65f81e0cb50e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.


----------------

We never could.

Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had 
their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two 
'five lever' locks as required by law.

No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of self 
defence' for over half a century.

Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Nkosi"  wrote in message 
news:ecaaaec8-edc6-4830-a401-65f81e0cb50e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.


----------------

We never could.

Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had 
their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two 
'five lever' locks as required by law.

No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of self 
defence' for over half a century.

Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Nkosi"  wrote in message 
news:ecaaaec8-edc6-4830-a401-65f81e0cb50e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.


----------------

We never could.

Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had 
their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two 
'five lever' locks as required by law.

No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of self 
defence' for over half a century.

Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:23:10 +0100 William Black wrote:

> 
> "Nkosi"  wrote in message 
> news:ecaaaec8-edc6-4830-a401-65f81e0cb50e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> 
> Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
> they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
> aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.
> 
> 
> ----------------
> 
> We never could.
> 
> Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had 
> their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two 
> 'five lever' locks as required by law.
> 
> No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of self 
> defence' for over half a century.
> 
> Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.
> 
> 
Geeze!  Is your news reader stuck on "post"?  By my count that's seven of the 
same message.
-- 
Ernie B.

Anarchist:  Someone who doesn't need a policeman to point out the 
difference between right and wrong.  _U. Utah Phillips, taken from 
a remark by Ammon Hennecy.

"Ernie B." <ebaresch_REMOVE_@cox._THIS_net> wrote in message 
news:MPG.22b07384de46a0cf98b782@127.0.0.1...
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:23:10 +0100 William Black wrote:
>
>>
>> "Nkosi"  wrote in message
>> news:ecaaaec8-edc6-4830-a401-65f81e0cb50e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
>> they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
>> aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.
>>
>>
>> ----------------
>>
>> We never could.
>>
>> Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had
>> their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two
>> 'five lever' locks as required by law.
>>
>> No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of 
>> self
>> defence' for over half a century.
>>
>> Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.
>>
>>
> Geeze!  Is your news reader stuck on "post"?  By my count that's seven of 
> the
> same message.

That's right...

There's something wrong with my newsreader.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:23:10 +0100, "William Black"
 wrote:

>
>"Nkosi"  wrote in message 
>news:ecaaaec8-edc6-4830-a401-65f81e0cb50e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>Because the "stoopid" leibour government disarmed the public after
>they staged the "Dunblane Massacre". We therefore cannot rush to the
>aid of anyone because we fear for our lives.
>
>
>----------------
>
>We never could.

Yes we could.
There were plenty of firearms around when I was a boy

>
>Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had 
>their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two 
>'five lever' locks as required by law.
>
>No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of self 
>defence' for over half a century.

So we could until the early 50s

>
>Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.

Only in the last couple of decades.
We used to be able to buy a shotgun licence for 10 shillings in the
post office

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On 3 Juni, 22:53, "¯Doug¦Ç"  wrote:
> "Svenne"  wrote in message
>
> news:es9b445qf3g24ia3s9kb1tq0rmcbitufdu@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:08:05 -0700 (PDT), St Georges Day April 23rd
> >  wrote:
>
> >>On Jun 3, 8:52 pm, Svenne  wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:38:37 -0400, "Kitty" 
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> >Amen, this was clearly a "hate" crime and warrants death penalty--but
> >>> >UK has
> >>> >no balls............
>
> >>> Therre is no evidence of racism, but the crime does deserve a few
> >>> decades in prison anyway.
>
> >>> Svenne
>
> >>Watch some fucking jew change the thread subject again. They are
> >>nothing but a nuisance.
>
> > What change?
>
> > It's quite relevant. There has been no mention of a racial dimension
> > in any of the media reports or in statements by the police.
>
> There NEVER is. I can't think of a SINGLE instance in the UK or
> the US when black on white crime has been prosecuted as a hate
> crime.

I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriss_Donald

>Gee, I guess that means it never occurs right?

I did say "black on white crime". I'm amazed that the above
happened in the UK of Islamistan though. Were there any
muslim riots after the sentences were delivered?

"Thored"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:23:10 +0100, "William Black"
>  wrote:

>>Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had
>>their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two
>>'five lever' locks as required by law.
>>
>>No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of 
>>self
>>defence' for over half a century.
>
> So we could until the early 50s

As far as I'm aware when the Churchill administration stopped issuing them 
in about 1952 nobody noticed.  So it's reasonable to assume they hadn't 
issued any for some time before.

>>
>>Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.
>
> Only in the last couple of decades.
> We used to be able to buy a shotgun licence for 10 shillings in the
> post office

I've held various forms of firearms licenses for well over three and a half 
decades now.

I'm now in my middle fifties.

I've never been able to buy a shotgun certificate over the counter at the 
Post Office.

I think you could hang your guns on the wall up to about 1985,  but nobody 
except the odd farmer with fox problems ever did...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:38:18 +0100, "William Black"
 wrote:

>
>"Thored"  wrote in message 
>news:lnmd44pketintseeqh17c4uv6a6fdhbntl@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:23:10 +0100, "William Black"
>>  wrote:
>
>>>Any pistols held before Dunblane were not held for 'self defence',  had
>>>their ammunition stored in a separate place and were behind  at least two
>>>'five lever' locks as required by law.
>>>
>>>No firearm certificates have been issued in the UK 'for the purpose of 
>>>self
>>>defence' for over half a century.
>>
>> So we could until the early 50s
>
>As far as I'm aware when the Churchill administration stopped issuing them 
>in about 1952 nobody noticed.  So it's reasonable to assume they hadn't 
>issued any for some time before.

How do you know nobody noticed since you were not around at the time?
I recall complaints about this legislation up to the 60s
>
>>>
>>>Shotguns and rifles held are secured in a similar manner.
>>
>> Only in the last couple of decades.
>> We used to be able to buy a shotgun licence for 10 shillings in the
>> post office
>
>I've held various forms of firearms licenses for well over three and a half 
>decades now.
>
>I'm now in my middle fifties.
>
>I've never been able to buy a shotgun certificate over the counter at the 
>Post Office.

I bought one as a youth in 1961

>
>I think you could hang your guns on the wall up to about 1985,  but nobody 
>except the odd farmer with fox problems ever did...

Shotguns.
Rifles had to be in a secure case fixed to the wall from the late 60s.
I gave up shooting when my landlord would not let me screw a steel box
to the wall.

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:49:57 -0700 (PDT), "Boedicia@isp.com"
 wrote:

>Svenne is a jew?  He sounds Swedish to me. OTOH they
>have a habit of changing their names don't they.   Trying to
>find a jew who favours hanging for murder is as rare as
>dodo eggs, unless of course, they are "Nazis".

Swedes have a habit of changing their names?

Jag har aldrig hört sådan trams i hela mitt liv, vad är du för en
idiot?

Svenne

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:17:01 GMT, "The Boss"
 wrote:

> wrote in message 
>news:10540524-4c3a-477c-b06f-89173436a25e@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> Svenne is a jew?

>He is Clough, emigrated and changed his name.

And the best move I ever made. It's nice here in friendly, modern and
civilised Scandinavia.

I sometimes feel sorry for you folks still stuck in the UK.

Svenne,

"Svenne"  wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:49:57 -0700 (PDT), "Boedicia@isp.com"
>  wrote:
>
>>Svenne is a jew?  He sounds Swedish to me. OTOH they
>>have a habit of changing their names don't they.   Trying to
>>find a jew who favours hanging for murder is as rare as
>>dodo eggs, unless of course, they are "Nazis".
>
> Swedes have a habit of changing their names?
>
> Jag har aldrig hört sådan trams i hela mitt liv, vad är du för en
> idiot?

Aha, you've gone native. Still got your British citizenship though?

-- 
The Boss

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:27:04 GMT, "The Boss"
 wrote:

>"Svenne"  wrote in message 
>news:cjod449ou4hp8tv6msfgseoemui2cqjn6p@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:49:57 -0700 (PDT), "Boedicia@isp.com"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>Svenne is a jew?  He sounds Swedish to me. OTOH they
>>>have a habit of changing their names don't they.   Trying to
>>>find a jew who favours hanging for murder is as rare as
>>>dodo eggs, unless of course, they are "Nazis".
>>
>> Swedes have a habit of changing their names?
>>
>> Jag har aldrig hört sådan trams i hela mitt liv, vad är du för en
>> idiot?

>Aha, you've gone native. Still got your British citizenship though?

Yes, I've still got my British citizenship and  British passport. 

There are lots of immigrants over here and the media is full of
glowing acounts of strange creatures called "Nysvenskar" - "New
Swedes." You can see pictures of them grinning from newspapers and
basking in their new identity.

What a load of patronising bollox. 

I'm no "New Swede," I'm an old Brit. Being an immigrant does not
change your identity, or even give you a new one alongside your old. 

Sweden is a foreign country and Swedes are foreigners and always will
be. I'm not a foreigner, I'm British and the mere fact that I'm living
amongst foreigners does not change my identity. It re-enforces it.

It's a pity what you are doing to the old country, though, rather
saddening. It was a nice place once.

Clough

"Thored"  wrote in message 
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> I gave up shooting when my landlord would not let me screw a steel box
> to the wall.

I never bothered to ask.

All the landlord ever found was the old Rawlbolts protruding from the back 
wall in cupboard under the stairs...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Svenne"  wrote in message 
news:2mrd44le2dl35s2u4d50taov21gesk414r@4ax.com...
> Yes, I've still got my British citizenship and  British passport.
>
> There are lots of immigrants over here and the media is full of
> glowing acounts of strange creatures called "Nysvenskar" - "New
> Swedes." You can see pictures of them grinning from newspapers and
> basking in their new identity.
>
> What a load of patronising bollox.
>
> I'm no "New Swede," I'm an old Brit. Being an immigrant does not
> change your identity, or even give you a new one alongside your old.

So, no blue eyes and blonde hair?

> Sweden is a foreign country and Swedes are foreigners and always will
> be. I'm not a foreigner, I'm British and the mere fact that I'm living
> amongst foreigners does not change my identity. It re-enforces it.
>
> It's a pity what you are doing to the old country, though, rather
> saddening. It was a nice place once.

Er, excuse me, I'm against the morons in power.

-- 
The Boss

On 5 Jun, 01:13, "The Boss"  wrote:
> "Svenne"  wrote in message

> > Yes, I've still got my British citizenship and  British passport.
>
> > There are lots of immigrants over here and the media is full of
> > glowing acounts of strange creatures called "Nysvenskar" - "New
> > Swedes." You can see pictures of them grinning from newspapers and
> > basking in their new identity.
>
> > What a load of patronising bollox.
>
> > I'm no "New Swede," I'm an old Brit. Being an immigrant does not
> > change your identity, or even give you a new one alongside your old.

> So, no blue eyes and blonde hair?

There's lots of blond haired, blue eyed types over here. I've got the
blue eyed bit, but the hair is brown. What's left of it, that is, I'm
a bit shiny on top nowadays.

> > Sweden is a foreign country and Swedes are foreigners and always will
> > be. I'm not a foreigner, I'm British and the mere fact that I'm living
> > amongst foreigners does not change my identity. It re-enforces it.
>
> > It's a pity what you are doing to the old country, though, rather
> > saddening. It was a nice place once.

> Er, excuse me, I'm against the morons in power.

Somebody must be in favour of them.

They have a lot to answer for.

Svenne

On 4 Juni, 20:31, "¯Doug¦Ç"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:f97b88ee-3390-4ec8-97b7-21853333e398@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Juni, 22:53, "¯Doug¦Ç"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Svenne"  wrote in message
>
> >news:es9b445qf3g24ia3s9kb1tq0rmcbitufdu@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:08:05 -0700 (PDT), St Georges Day April 23rd
> > >  wrote:
>
> > >>On Jun 3, 8:52 pm, Svenne  wrote:
> > >>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 11:38:37 -0400, "Kitty" 
> > >>> wrote:
>
> > >>> >Amen, this was clearly a "hate" crime and warrants death penalty--but
> > >>> >UK has
> > >>> >no balls............
>
> > >>> Therre is no evidence of racism, but the crime does deserve a few
> > >>> decades in prison anyway.
>
> > >>> Svenne
>
> > >>Watch some fucking jew change the thread subject again. They are
> > >>nothing but a nuisance.
>
> > > What change?
>
> > > It's quite relevant. There has been no mention of a racial dimension
> > > in any of the media reports or in statements by the police.
>
> > There NEVER is. I can't think of a SINGLE instance in the UK or
> > the US when black on white crime has been prosecuted as a hate
> > crime.
>
> I can:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriss_Donald
>
> >Gee, I guess that means it never occurs right?
>
> I did say "black on white crime". I'm amazed that the above
> happened in the UK of Islamistan though. Were there any
> muslim riots after the sentences were delivered?-

Reading reports, it seemed it was closer to the other way round
(understandably), especially once the BNP tried to make a bit of
political capital out of it. Seems the local Muslim community wasn't
too keen on these abominable cunts either.


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