The gun ownership rates of the Finnish (and the Swiss) masses are a
standing rebuttal of the inane liberal-leftist dogma that the crime
rates in the US are mainly due to the abundance of guns. the big
difference is, Finland is not in a state of multiethnic conflict like
the US is.

Finnish Gun Ownership Third Highest

Published 29.08.2007, 09.20 (updated 29.08.2007, 10.22)


Firearm ownership in Finland is the third highest per capita in the
world, according to a new international survey.

The Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of
International Studies says that there are 56 guns for every 100
residents in the country.

On a per-capita basis, the United States has the world's most heavily
armed citizenry, with 90 guns per 100 people, followed by Yemen with
61 per 100 people, and then Finland.

The study says that civilians hold around 650 million handguns
worldwide, 40 percent of them in the United States.

Other countries with high per capita levels of private firearms are
Switzerland (46), Iraq (39), Canada (31), Sweden (31) and Germany
(30).

According to researchers, gun violence often occurs in places
undergoing rapid urban growth, and when lawless areas are created by
extreme poverty and the absence of effective policing.

YLE, Reuters, AP

"??Goyfire Radio?? "WE...are the Good Guys""  
wrote in message 
news:2356a99a-a8a1-4d89-b7f8-282c8321901d@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> The gun ownership rates of the Finnish (and the Swiss) masses are a
> standing rebuttal of the inane liberal-leftist dogma that the crime
> rates in the US are mainly due to the abundance of guns. the big
> difference is, Finland is not in a state of multiethnic conflict like
> the US is.
>
> Finnish Gun Ownership Third Highest
>
> Published 29.08.2007, 09.20 (updated 29.08.2007, 10.22)
>
>
> Firearm ownership in Finland is the third highest per capita in the
> world, according to a new international survey.
>
> The Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of
> International Studies says that there are 56 guns for every 100
> residents in the country.
>
> On a per-capita basis, the United States has the world's most heavily
> armed citizenry, with 90 guns per 100 people, followed by Yemen with
> 61 per 100 people, and then Finland.
>
> The study says that civilians hold around 650 million handguns
> worldwide, 40 percent of them in the United States.
>
> Other countries with high per capita levels of private firearms are
> Switzerland (46), Iraq (39), Canada (31), Sweden (31) and Germany
> (30).
>
> According to researchers, gun violence often occurs in places
> undergoing rapid urban growth, and when lawless areas are created by
> extreme poverty and the absence of effective policing.
>
> YLE, Reuters, AP

Haven't been there, but I would bet Finland is very homogenous in it's 
racial makeup.

??Goyfire Radio?? "WE...are the Good Guys" wrote:
> The gun ownership rates of the Finnish (and the Swiss) masses are a
> standing rebuttal of the inane liberal-leftist dogma that the crime
> rates in the US are mainly due to the abundance of guns. the big
> difference is, Finland is not in a state of multiethnic conflict like
> the US is.
>

Claims that crime is related to guns is a specious argument. For every 
high-gun/low-crime country, we can find a high-gun/high-crime country. We 
don't even have to look at countries - we can compare cities here in the 
U.S.

What we CAN say, as you point out, is there doesn't seem to be a 
relationship 'twixt gun availability and crime except on the margins.

"HeyBub"  wrote in message 
news:J9udnRhqgZHFvKbVnZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@earthlink.com...
> ??Goyfire Radio?? "WE...are the Good Guys" wrote:
>> The gun ownership rates of the Finnish (and the Swiss) masses are a
>> standing rebuttal of the inane liberal-leftist dogma that the crime
>> rates in the US are mainly due to the abundance of guns. the big
>> difference is, Finland is not in a state of multiethnic conflict like
>> the US is.
>>
>
> Claims that crime is related to guns is a specious argument. For every 
> high-gun/low-crime country, we can find a high-gun/high-crime country. We 
> don't even have to look at countries - we can compare cities here in the 
> U.S.
>
> What we CAN say, as you point out, is there doesn't seem to be a 
> relationship 'twixt gun availability and crime except on the margins.
>

How do you explain Chicago, which has virtually banned all guns since 1982 
and yet there's lots of gun crime?

Charles the Curmudgeon

CharlesTheCurmudgeon wrote:
> "HeyBub"  wrote in message
> news:J9udnRhqgZHFvKbVnZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> ??Goyfire Radio?? "WE...are the Good Guys" wrote:
>>> The gun ownership rates of the Finnish (and the Swiss) masses are a
>>> standing rebuttal of the inane liberal-leftist dogma that the crime
>>> rates in the US are mainly due to the abundance of guns. the big
>>> difference is, Finland is not in a state of multiethnic conflict
>>> like the US is.
>>>
>>
>> Claims that crime is related to guns is a specious argument. For
>> every high-gun/low-crime country, we can find a high-gun/high-crime
>> country. We don't even have to look at countries - we can compare
>> cities here in the U.S.
>>
>> What we CAN say, as you point out, is there doesn't seem to be a
>> relationship 'twixt gun availability and crime except on the margins.
>>
>
> How do you explain Chicago, which has virtually banned all guns since
> 1982 and yet there's lots of gun crime?
>

Easy, criminals.

There's lots of crime in Philadelphia and Oakland and without banning. 
There's lots of guns in Cheyenne and Salt Lake City but not the same rate of 
crime (by a long shot).