In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:

>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>
>> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> >> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> >> >> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> XXX wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally
>> >> >> >> >> >> shot and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery
>> >> >> >> >> >> before the little girl's burial.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited
>> >> >> >> >> > until AFTER the burial???
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child
>> >> >> >> >> >> neglect for allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun
>> >> >> >> >> >> where his son could find it.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old
>> >> >> >> >> >> Booher should have been more careful in keeping the gun
>> >> >> >> >> >> away from his son.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken
>> >> >> >> >> >> the gun from atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a
>> >> >> >> >> >> kitchen cabinet eight months ago.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a
>> >> >> >> >> >> bookcase to get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla
>> >> >> >> >> >> in the face.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three
>> >> >> >> >> >> counts of felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in
>> >> >> >> >> >> prison.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their
>> >> >> >> >> > fathers left loaded guns all over the house and how that is
>> >> >> >> >> > just a wonderful childhood experience to shoot your
>> >> >> >> >> > 4-year-old sister in the face (just like it was for that
>> >> >> >> >> > 8-year-old boy, being shot in the chest by his father).
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Which one was that?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >This one:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-huntin
>> >> >> >> >g-a cci den t.h tml
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> We should ban guns to prevent accidents. Oh wait, that won't
>> >> >> >> work either:
>> >> >> >> http://japanesepolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/cop-fires-gun-by-acci
>> >> >> >> den t-i n-p olice-box.html
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Why do you gun loons always jump straight to banning guns?  The
>> >> >> >idea of responsible gun ownership never seems to enter your minds,
>> >> >> >does it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why do you gun grabbing monkeys use anecdotal evidence as proof
>> >> >> that most or all gun owners are unsafe?
>> >> >
>> >> >Who said all or most?  I would say that the two gun owners in the
>> >> >stories presented were pretty damned unsafe, though.
>> >>
>> >> Gee, I don't recall anyone arguing the fact that the two gun owners
>> >> were unsafe, do you?
>> >
>> >And I only recall the gun loons being the ones talking about banning
>> >guns.
>>
>> Allow me to educate you:
>>
>> Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., on CBS "60 Minutes": "If I could have
>> gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright
>> ban, picking up every one of them -- Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them
>> all in -- I would have done it."
>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/03
>> /07/EDGIV5EQ6B1.DTL
>
>Holy shit!  Sen. Feinstein is in this newsgroup????  

Pathetic goal post move. You said:

:And I only recall the gun loons being the ones talking about banning
:guns.

I provided a citation proving you wrong.

>Wow!  That IS an
>education.  But, still, I don't recall her talking in this thread about
>banning guns.

Another goal post move. Now it has to be in this thread! [chuckle]

>> >> >> >Either
>> >> >> >we ban all guns or we allow gun owners to leave the loaded weapons
>> >> >> >laying around for their sons to kill their daughers.  No
>> >> >> >mid-ground, is there?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That fact that the rate of accidental gun deaths has been dropping
>> >> >> for decades is something you people conveniently ignore, isn't it?
>> >> >> Why is that?
>> >> >
>> >> >Cite?
>> >> http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=120
>> >
>> >The NRA???  How about a reputable source that doesn't have a stake in
>> >the outcome of the statistics???
>>
>> You asked for a cite and I gave it to you. Feel free to provide ANY
>> contradictory statistics from the source of your own choosing.
>
>I'm not going to do your work for you, jackass.

Yeah, I didn't think you could find anything either.

If you'll notice, the article cites its sources. Feel free to dispute
any of them. Until then, I'll take it that you can't dispute it other
than to sputter in righteous indignation that your preconceived
notions might be wrong.

1. See BATFE, “Annual Firearm Manufacturers and Export Reports” (
www.atf.gov/firearms/stats/index.htm).

2. FBI, Crime in the United States 2006
(www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/index.html) and BJS
(http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/).

3. See www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars or www.wonder.cdc.gov/  .

4. Available at www.nsc.org/ .

5. See www.nraila.org/Issues .

6. For more on NRA training programs, visit www.nrahq.org/ (click
“Education and Training”) or call 703-267-1500.

7. For more on the Eddie Eagle program, visit
www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/ or call 800-231-0752.

8. Pete Shields, quoted in The New Yorker, “A Reporter At Large:
Handguns,” July 26, 1976.

9. NRA-ILA “Not 12 Per Day” fact sheet,
www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=21 .

10. Journal of the American Medical Association, Oct. 1, 1997.