Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight

May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT

 Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and killed his 
sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little girl's burial.

James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for allegedly 
leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find it.

Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should have been 
more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.

He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun from atop a 
refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet eight months ago.

Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to get the gun. 
Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.

Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of felony 
neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.

On Fri, 9 May 2008 19:44:37 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
 wrote:

>Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>
>May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>
> Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and killed his 
>sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little girl's burial.
>
>James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for allegedly 
>leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find it.
>
>Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should have been 
>more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.
>
>He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun from atop a 
>refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet eight months ago.
>
>Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to get the gun. 
>Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
>
>Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of felony 
>neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
>


Police investigate girl's accidental shooting
Posted Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:24am AEST 

Map: Bonshaw 4385
 Ambulance officers say a seven-year-old girl is lucky to be alive
after being accidentally shot with a high powered rifle. 

Police are investigating the circumstances surrounding the shooting on
a property at Bonshaw on the New South Wales/Queensland border.

It is understood the girl's younger brother may have accidentally
fired the weapon.

On May 9, 9:44 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>
> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>
>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and killed his
> sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little girl's burial.
>
> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for allegedly
> leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find it.
>
> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should have been
> more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.
>
> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun from atop a
> refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet eight months ago.
>
> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to get the gun.
> Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
>
> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of felony
> neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.

Facts are Booher had the gun as a security guard and thus qualified
with the "training" that the "gun control" crowd demand as a
qualification for gun ownership.  Booher had a hint that the 5 year
old had picked up a fascination with guns from TV when the boy
previously retrieved the gun and fired into a kitchen cabinet.
Booher, who claimed to be exercising firearm safety had removed the
magazine from the firearm and placed it on a high shelf, but neither
worked as the kid managed to retrieve the gun and then apply the
"Hollywood rules of gun safety". Namely 1. Find a gun. 2. point it at
a friend or family member. 3. pull the trigger!

The round left in the pipe did the job of killing his sister even
though the magazine was removed from the gun. The Glock a very popular
firearm with police and security guards did not have a "magazine
safety" that prevented firing when the magazine was removed.  Police
and police firearms are almost always exempt from the "gun-control"
rules for civilian gun owners.

Booher was pulled from his daughter' funeral because he had been
hiding from police.  Prosecutor Brizzi pushed for arrest and up to 56
years in jail for the negligence because Booher was currently
unemployed and had therefore joined the ranks of ordinary gun owners
and thus was no longer protected by "official" status. This prompted
the press to notice that Booher's house was filled with numerous scary
items such as "throwing stars"  and samurai swords. Large knives were
also present and anonymous sources reported police suspected that a
number of "pointy sticks" were also nearby.

The bottom line is that all the authorities agreed that the "special"
exemptions that should apply to police and those working for those in
power should never apply to ordinary gun owners. And a good "gun case"
should certainly would not hurt a re-election campaign in November as
well.

"Benj"  wrote in message 
news:67619687-8806-4cd3-97be-718b19b16d4d@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 9, 9:44 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>
>> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>
>>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and killed 
>> his
>> sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little girl's burial.
>>
>> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for 
>> allegedly
>> leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find it.
>>
>> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should have 
>> been
>> more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.
>>
>> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun from atop 
>> a
>> refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet eight months ago.
>>
>> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to get 
>> the gun.
>> Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
>>
>> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of felony
>> neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
>
> Facts are Booher had the gun as a security guard and thus qualified
> with the "training" that the "gun control" crowd demand as a
> qualification for gun ownership.  Booher had a hint that the 5 year
> old had picked up a fascination with guns from TV when the boy
> previously retrieved the gun and fired into a kitchen cabinet.

The gun control crowd wants people who let a child access a loaded gun to be 
prosecuted.  The first time this 5 year old managed to get his hands on a 
loaded gun, the gun owner should have been charged with a felony, and lost 
his right to possess a firearm.

Then there would have been no dead 4 year old.

That's how gun control works. Or it would, if the gun lovers had any sanity, 
but instead they stamp their little feet and whine that any attempt at 
regulating guns is a prelude to wholesale confiscation.  That lie killed yet 
another child.


Bo Raxo

"Bo Raxo"  wrote in message 
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> "Benj"  wrote in message 
> news:67619687-8806-4cd3-97be-718b19b16d4d@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 9, 9:44 pm, "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>>> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>>
>>> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>>
>>>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and killed 
>>> his
>>> sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little girl's burial.
>>>
>>> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for 
>>> allegedly
>>> leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find it.
>>>
>>> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should have 
>>> been
>>> more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.
>>>
>>> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun from 
>>> atop a
>>> refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet eight months ago.
>>>
>>> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to get 
>>> the gun.
>>> Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
>>>
>>> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of 
>>> felony
>>> neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
>>
>> Facts are Booher had the gun as a security guard and thus qualified
>> with the "training" that the "gun control" crowd demand as a
>> qualification for gun ownership.  Booher had a hint that the 5 year
>> old had picked up a fascination with guns from TV when the boy
>> previously retrieved the gun and fired into a kitchen cabinet.
>
> The gun control crowd wants people who let a child access a loaded gun to 
> be prosecuted.  The first time this 5 year old managed to get his hands on 
> a loaded gun, the gun owner should have been charged with a felony, and 
> lost his right to possess a firearm.
>
> Then there would have been no dead 4 year old.
>
> That's how gun control works. Or it would, if the gun lovers had any 
> sanity, but instead they stamp their little feet and whine that any 
> attempt at regulating guns is a prelude to wholesale confiscation.  That 
> lie killed yet another child.
>
>
> Bo Raxo


From an article I already posted on this case.


Authorities said Booher's home on Sunday contained weapons such as Chinese
throwing stars and samurai swords. Brizzi said Booher's home was a dangerous
environment.

"It wasn't just one thing that led to the charging decision. It was sort of
a culmination of events -- the prior shooting, and all these weapons,"
Brizzi said. "If it wasn't the gun, it could have been any number of weapons
that could have put these kids in a dangerous place."


< I saw no indication the authorities *knew* about the previous shooting 
incident until *after* the child killed his sister.   It sounds to me like 
this little boy has far deeper problems.  This was no *accident*, he went 
and got the gun and shot his sister, purposely. >


INDIANAPOLIS -- The father of a 5-year-old boy who police say fatally shot
his 4-year-old sister told reporters Thursday that neglect charges against
him should be dropped, arguing the emotional pain he feels is punishment
enough.

"I have to live with this for the rest of my life. I don't know if I can,"
James Michael Booher (pictured) tearfully said to reporters in an interview
at the Marion County Jail



But authorities argue the charges are warranted in part because Sunday's
shooting was not the first time that Booher's son had found a gun at home
and fired it.

"Booher knew that his son could get access to the gun," said Marion County
Prosecutor Carl Brizzi, who filed three felony counts of neglect against
Booher on Thursday.

Police said the boy had a confrontation with his sister, Makayla Booher, on
Sunday morning shortly before the shooting at their home in the 6100 block
of Massachusetts Avenue. The boy went downstairs, used a chair to reach a
gun at the top of a bookcase, went back upstairs and shot his sister at
close range, police said.

Authorities said that eight months ago, when the family was living at a
different Indianapolis home, the boy used a chair to reach his father's gun
atop a refrigerator. On that day, he fired a bullet into a kitchen cupboard,
police said.

James Booher was aware that his son "knew how to operate the gun and in fact
had fired the gun eight months before," Brizzi said.

After Sunday's shooting, according to police, Booher told investigators he
thought the .40-caliber semiautomatic gun had been stored unloaded because
its magazine had been removed. Police said that despite the magazine's
removal, a bullet still was in the gun.

Two years ago, police said, child welfare workers removed the children from
their father because medical personnel learned that the girl had broken
ribs. The welfare workers initially suspected abuse but eventually decided
not to report the case to police, 6News' Jack Rinehart reported.

Authorities said Booher's home on Sunday contained weapons such as Chinese
throwing stars and samurai swords. Brizzi said Booher's home was a dangerous
environment.

"It wasn't just one thing that led to the charging decision. It was sort of
a culmination of events -- the prior shooting, and all these weapons,"
Brizzi said. "If it wasn't the gun, it could have been any number of weapons
that could have put these kids in a dangerous place."

Booher was arrested Wednesday at the conclusion of Makayla's funeral.
According to the prosecutor's office, he had been hiding in the days after
Sunday's shooting, and police decided to arrest him at the funeral in part
because they considered him a flight risk, Rinehart reported.

In Thursday's interview at the jail, Booher said he perhaps "wasn't the
safest person" and that he perhaps "should have done something different,"
but that he never intended harm to come to his children.

"I would never intentionally hurt my children or put them in harm's way,
ever," he said.

He also had a message for his son: "That it wasn't his fault and that daddy
still loves him very much."

Booher was charged with two Class D felony counts of neglect and one Class A
count, which itself carries a penalty of between 20 to 50 years in prison
with a conviction.

Makayla's mother, Michelle Vensko, told 6News Wednesday that she doesn't
think he should be charged.

The boy and his teenage sister, who was also home at the time of the
shooting, were placed in foster care.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/16201644/detail.html


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"tiny dancer"  wrote in message 
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> < I saw no indication the authorities *knew* about the previous shooting 
> incident until *after* the child killed his sister.   It sounds to me like 
> this little boy has far deeper problems.  This was no *accident*, he went 
> and got the gun and shot his sister, purposely. >
>

But that's because there is no mandatory reporting.  If *every* adult who 
was aware of it (like, say, the mother) knew that not reporting that 
incident would get them an automatic six months in jail if it came out 
later, they'd report it.

>
> INDIANAPOLIS -- The father of a 5-year-old boy who police say fatally shot
> his 4-year-old sister told reporters Thursday that neglect charges against
> him should be dropped, arguing the emotional pain he feels is punishment
> enough.
>

Oh jeez, I cannot believe anyone buys this load of crap.  What a lame ass 
excuse.  If he really felt that bad, he'd be saying he deserves whatever he 
gets, it doesn't matter, etc.



> "I have to live with this for the rest of my life. I don't know if I can,"
> James Michael Booher (pictured) tearfully said to reporters in an 
> interview
> at the Marion County Jail
>

Well, we better pop you in to a locked facility then, on suicide watch.

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>
> Authorities said that eight months ago, when the family was living at a
> different Indianapolis home, the boy used a chair to reach his father's 
> gun
> atop a refrigerator. On that day, he fired a bullet into a kitchen 
> cupboard,
> police said.
>

You would think that if a gunshot went off in a residential neighborhood, 
someone would notify the police.  But it does depend on the neighborhood.



>
> In Thursday's interview at the jail, Booher said he perhaps "wasn't the
> safest person" and that he perhaps "should have done something different,"
> but that he never intended harm to come to his children.
>
> "I would never intentionally hurt my children or put them in harm's way,
> ever," he said.
>

That's why it's called involuntary manslaughter.


> Booher was charged with two Class D felony counts of neglect and one Class 
> A
> count, which itself carries a penalty of between 20 to 50 years in prison
> with a conviction.
>
> Makayla's mother, Michelle Vensko, told 6News Wednesday that she doesn't
> think he should be charged.
>

"He pays the rent!  What am I going to do?!?"

She knew he left a loaded gun laying around the house previously, plus all 
the throwing stars, swords, etc.  Charge her and throw her in jail as well.

But we know that won't happen.

> The boy and his teenage sister, who was also home at the time of the
> shooting, were placed in foster care.
>

Until they clean the house out.  Then they'll be sent back to the wonderful 
care they were receiving previously.


Bo Raxo

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In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:

>Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>
>May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>
> Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and killed his 
>sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little girl's burial.

That's too bad.

"_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>
> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>
>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and killed
> his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little girl's burial.

Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited until AFTER the
burial???

> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for
> allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find it.
>
> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should have
> been more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.
>
> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun from atop
> a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet eight months ago.
>
> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to get
> the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
>
> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of felony
> neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.

No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their fathers left loaded
guns all over the house and how that is just a wonderful childhood
experience to shoot your 4-year-old sister in the face (just like it was
for that 8-year-old boy, being shot in the chest by his father).

XXX wrote:
> "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>
>> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>
>>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and killed
>> his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little girl's burial.
> 
> Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited until AFTER the
> burial???
> 
>> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for
>> allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find it.
>>
>> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should have
>> been more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.
>>
>> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun from atop
>> a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet eight months ago.
>>
>> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to get
>> the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
>>
>> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of felony
>> neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
> 
> No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their fathers left loaded
> guns all over the house and how that is just a wonderful childhood
> experience to shoot your 4-year-old sister in the face (just like it was
> for that 8-year-old boy, being shot in the chest by his father).


Which one was that?


-- 
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

Bama Brian  wrote:
> XXX wrote:
> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
> >>
> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
> >>
> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and
> >> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little
> >> girl's burial.
> >
> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited until AFTER
> > the burial???
> >
> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for
> >> allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find it.
> >>
> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should
> >> have been more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.
> >>
> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun from
> >> atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet eight
> >> months ago.
> >>
> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to
> >> get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
> >>
> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of
> >> felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
> >
> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their fathers left
> > loaded guns all over the house and how that is just a wonderful
> > childhood experience to shoot your 4-year-old sister in the face (just
> > like it was for that 8-year-old boy, being shot in the chest by his
> > father).
>
> Which one was that?

This one:

http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-hunting-accident.h
tml

In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:

>Bama Brian  wrote:
>> XXX wrote:
>> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>> >>
>> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>> >>
>> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and
>> >> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little
>> >> girl's burial.
>> >
>> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited until AFTER
>> > the burial???
>> >
>> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for
>> >> allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find it.
>> >>
>> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should
>> >> have been more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.
>> >>
>> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun from
>> >> atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet eight
>> >> months ago.
>> >>
>> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to
>> >> get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
>> >>
>> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of
>> >> felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
>> >
>> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their fathers left
>> > loaded guns all over the house and how that is just a wonderful
>> > childhood experience to shoot your 4-year-old sister in the face (just
>> > like it was for that 8-year-old boy, being shot in the chest by his
>> > father).
>>
>> Which one was that?
>
>This one:
>
>http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-hunting-accident.h
>tml

We should ban guns to prevent accidents. Oh wait, that won't work
either:
http://japanesepolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/cop-fires-gun-by-accident-in-police-box.html

Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>
> >Bama Brian  wrote:
> >> XXX wrote:
> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
> >> >>
> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
> >> >>
> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and
> >> >> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little
> >> >> girl's burial.
> >> >
> >> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited until
> >> > AFTER the burial???
> >> >
> >> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for
> >> >> allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find
> >> >> it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should
> >> >> have been more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.
> >> >>
> >> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun
> >> >> from atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet
> >> >> eight months ago.
> >> >>
> >> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to
> >> >> get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
> >> >>
> >> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of
> >> >> felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
> >> >
> >> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their fathers left
> >> > loaded guns all over the house and how that is just a wonderful
> >> > childhood experience to shoot your 4-year-old sister in the face
> >> > (just like it was for that 8-year-old boy, being shot in the chest
> >> > by his father).
> >>
> >> Which one was that?
> >
> >This one:
> >
> >http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-hunting-acciden
> >t.h tml
>
> We should ban guns to prevent accidents. Oh wait, that won't work
> either:
> http://japanesepolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/cop-fires-gun-by-accident-in-p
> olice-box.html

Why do you gun loons always jump straight to banning guns?  The idea of
responsible gun ownership never seems to enter your minds, does it?  Either
we ban all guns or we allow gun owners to leave the loaded weapons laying
around for their sons to kill their daughers.  No mid-ground, is there?

In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:

>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>
>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>> >> XXX wrote:
>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>> >> >>
>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and
>> >> >> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little
>> >> >> girl's burial.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited until
>> >> > AFTER the burial???
>> >> >
>> >> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect for
>> >> >> allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son could find
>> >> >> it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher should
>> >> >> have been more careful in keeping the gun away from his son.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun
>> >> >> from atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen cabinet
>> >> >> eight months ago.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase to
>> >> >> get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts of
>> >> >> felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
>> >> >
>> >> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their fathers left
>> >> > loaded guns all over the house and how that is just a wonderful
>> >> > childhood experience to shoot your 4-year-old sister in the face
>> >> > (just like it was for that 8-year-old boy, being shot in the chest
>> >> > by his father).
>> >>
>> >> Which one was that?
>> >
>> >This one:
>> >
>> >http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-hunting-acciden
>> >t.h tml
>>
>> We should ban guns to prevent accidents. Oh wait, that won't work
>> either:
>> http://japanesepolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/cop-fires-gun-by-accident-in-p
>> olice-box.html
>
>Why do you gun loons always jump straight to banning guns?  The idea of
>responsible gun ownership never seems to enter your minds, does it?  

Why do you gun grabbing monkeys use anecdotal evidence as proof that
most or all gun owners are unsafe?

>Either
>we ban all guns or we allow gun owners to leave the loaded weapons laying
>around for their sons to kill their daughers.  No mid-ground, is there?

That fact that the rate of accidental gun deaths has been dropping for
decades is something you people conveniently ignore, isn't it? Why is
that?

Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>
> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Bama Brian  wrote:
> >> >> XXX wrote:
> >> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
> >> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot
> >> >> >> and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the
> >> >> >> little girl's burial.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited until
> >> >> > AFTER the burial???
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect
> >> >> >> for allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son
> >> >> >> could find it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher
> >> >> >> should have been more careful in keeping the gun away from his
> >> >> >> son.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun
> >> >> >> from atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen
> >> >> >> cabinet eight months ago.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase
> >> >> >> to get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts
> >> >> >> of felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their fathers
> >> >> > left loaded guns all over the house and how that is just a
> >> >> > wonderful childhood experience to shoot your 4-year-old sister in
> >> >> > the face (just like it was for that 8-year-old boy, being shot in
> >> >> > the chest by his father).
> >> >>
> >> >> Which one was that?
> >> >
> >> >This one:
> >> >
> >> >http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-hunting-acci
> >> >den t.h tml
> >>
> >> We should ban guns to prevent accidents. Oh wait, that won't work
> >> either:
> >> http://japanesepolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/cop-fires-gun-by-accident-i
> >> n-p olice-box.html
> >
> >Why do you gun loons always jump straight to banning guns?  The idea of
> >responsible gun ownership never seems to enter your minds, does it?
>
> Why do you gun grabbing monkeys use anecdotal evidence as proof that
> most or all gun owners are unsafe?

Who said all or most?  I would say that the two gun owners in the stories
presented were pretty damned unsafe, though.

> >Either
> >we ban all guns or we allow gun owners to leave the loaded weapons
> >laying around for their sons to kill their daughers.  No mid-ground, is
> >there?
>
> That fact that the rate of accidental gun deaths has been dropping for
> decades is something you people conveniently ignore, isn't it? Why is
> that?

Cite?

In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:

>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>
>> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>> >> >> XXX wrote:
>> >> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>> >> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot
>> >> >> >> and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the
>> >> >> >> little girl's burial.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited until
>> >> >> > AFTER the burial???
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect
>> >> >> >> for allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son
>> >> >> >> could find it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher
>> >> >> >> should have been more careful in keeping the gun away from his
>> >> >> >> son.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the gun
>> >> >> >> from atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen
>> >> >> >> cabinet eight months ago.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a bookcase
>> >> >> >> to get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in the face.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three counts
>> >> >> >> of felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their fathers
>> >> >> > left loaded guns all over the house and how that is just a
>> >> >> > wonderful childhood experience to shoot your 4-year-old sister in
>> >> >> > the face (just like it was for that 8-year-old boy, being shot in
>> >> >> > the chest by his father).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Which one was that?
>> >> >
>> >> >This one:
>> >> >
>> >> >http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-hunting-acci
>> >> >den t.h tml
>> >>
>> >> We should ban guns to prevent accidents. Oh wait, that won't work
>> >> either:
>> >> http://japanesepolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/cop-fires-gun-by-accident-i
>> >> n-p olice-box.html
>> >
>> >Why do you gun loons always jump straight to banning guns?  The idea of
>> >responsible gun ownership never seems to enter your minds, does it?
>>
>> Why do you gun grabbing monkeys use anecdotal evidence as proof that
>> most or all gun owners are unsafe?
>
>Who said all or most?  I would say that the two gun owners in the stories
>presented were pretty damned unsafe, though.

Gee, I don't recall anyone arguing the fact that the two gun owners
were unsafe, do you?

>> >Either
>> >we ban all guns or we allow gun owners to leave the loaded weapons
>> >laying around for their sons to kill their daughers.  No mid-ground, is
>> >there?
>>
>> That fact that the rate of accidental gun deaths has been dropping for
>> decades is something you people conveniently ignore, isn't it? Why is
>> that?
>
>Cite?
http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=120

"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message 
news:c6db24hips4bq1md8uj4hqbtj5j586lc43@4ax.com...
> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>
>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>>> >> XXX wrote:
>>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and
>>> >> >> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little
>>> >> >> girl's burial.


This child did NOT accidentally 'shoot and kill his sister'.  He 
purposefully retrieved the gun *to* shoot his sister after a *disagreement*. 
I'd say this child is very troubled to say the least, and will continue to 
be a danger to others as he grows.  Especially if he is returned to the 
envirnoment in which he was raised.

The father had numerous other weapons besides guns in that house.


<Authorities said Booher's home on Sunday contained weapons such as Chinese
throwing stars and samurai swords. Brizzi said Booher's home was a dangerous
environment.

"It wasn't just one thing that led to the charging decision. It was sort of
a culmination of events -- the prior shooting, and all these weapons,"
Brizzi said. "If it wasn't the gun, it could have been any number of weapons
that could have put these kids in a dangerous place.">

<Police said the boy had a confrontation with his sister, Makayla Booher, on
Sunday morning shortly before the shooting at their home in the 6100 block
of Massachusetts Avenue. The boy went downstairs, used a chair to reach a
gun at the top of a bookcase, went back upstairs and shot his sister at
close range, police said.

Authorities said that eight months ago, when the family was living at a
different Indianapolis home, the boy used a chair to reach his father's gun
atop a refrigerator. On that day, he fired a bullet into a kitchen cupboard,
police said.>


td

Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>
> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> >> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Bama Brian  wrote:
> >> >> >> XXX wrote:
> >> >> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot
> >> >> >> >> and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the
> >> >> >> >> little girl's burial.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited
> >> >> >> > until AFTER the burial???
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect
> >> >> >> >> for allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son
> >> >> >> >> could find it.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher
> >> >> >> >> should have been more careful in keeping the gun away from
> >> >> >> >> his son.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the
> >> >> >> >> gun from atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen
> >> >> >> >> cabinet eight months ago.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a
> >> >> >> >> bookcase to get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in
> >> >> >> >> the face.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three
> >> >> >> >> counts of felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their
> >> >> >> > fathers left loaded guns all over the house and how that is
> >> >> >> > just a wonderful childhood experience to shoot your 4-year-old
> >> >> >> > sister in the face (just like it was for that 8-year-old boy,
> >> >> >> > being shot in the chest by his father).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Which one was that?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >This one:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-hunting-a
> >> >> >cci den t.h tml
> >> >>
> >> >> We should ban guns to prevent accidents. Oh wait, that won't work
> >> >> either:
> >> >> http://japanesepolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/cop-fires-gun-by-acciden
> >> >> t-i n-p olice-box.html
> >> >
> >> >Why do you gun loons always jump straight to banning guns?  The idea
> >> >of responsible gun ownership never seems to enter your minds, does
> >> >it?
> >>
> >> Why do you gun grabbing monkeys use anecdotal evidence as proof that
> >> most or all gun owners are unsafe?
> >
> >Who said all or most?  I would say that the two gun owners in the
> >stories presented were pretty damned unsafe, though.
>
> Gee, I don't recall anyone arguing the fact that the two gun owners
> were unsafe, do you?

And I only recall the gun loons being the ones talking about banning guns.

> >> >Either
> >> >we ban all guns or we allow gun owners to leave the loaded weapons
> >> >laying around for their sons to kill their daughers.  No mid-ground,
> >> >is there?
> >>
> >> That fact that the rate of accidental gun deaths has been dropping for
> >> decades is something you people conveniently ignore, isn't it? Why is
> >> that?
> >
> >Cite?
> http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=120

The NRA???  How about a reputable source that doesn't have a stake in the
outcome of the statistics???  It is interesting how they make all these
statements about the decrease in gun deaths, but don't say where they got
those statistics.

In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:

>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>
>> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> >> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>> >> >> >> XXX wrote:
>> >> >> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot
>> >> >> >> >> and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the
>> >> >> >> >> little girl's burial.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited
>> >> >> >> > until AFTER the burial???
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child neglect
>> >> >> >> >> for allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun where his son
>> >> >> >> >> could find it.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old Booher
>> >> >> >> >> should have been more careful in keeping the gun away from
>> >> >> >> >> his son.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken the
>> >> >> >> >> gun from atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a kitchen
>> >> >> >> >> cabinet eight months ago.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a
>> >> >> >> >> bookcase to get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla in
>> >> >> >> >> the face.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three
>> >> >> >> >> counts of felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in prison.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their
>> >> >> >> > fathers left loaded guns all over the house and how that is
>> >> >> >> > just a wonderful childhood experience to shoot your 4-year-old
>> >> >> >> > sister in the face (just like it was for that 8-year-old boy,
>> >> >> >> > being shot in the chest by his father).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Which one was that?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >This one:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-hunting-a
>> >> >> >cci den t.h tml
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We should ban guns to prevent accidents. Oh wait, that won't work
>> >> >> either:
>> >> >> http://japanesepolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/cop-fires-gun-by-acciden
>> >> >> t-i n-p olice-box.html
>> >> >
>> >> >Why do you gun loons always jump straight to banning guns?  The idea
>> >> >of responsible gun ownership never seems to enter your minds, does
>> >> >it?
>> >>
>> >> Why do you gun grabbing monkeys use anecdotal evidence as proof that
>> >> most or all gun owners are unsafe?
>> >
>> >Who said all or most?  I would say that the two gun owners in the
>> >stories presented were pretty damned unsafe, though.
>>
>> Gee, I don't recall anyone arguing the fact that the two gun owners
>> were unsafe, do you?
>
>And I only recall the gun loons being the ones talking about banning guns.

Allow me to educate you:

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., on CBS "60 Minutes": "If I could have
gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright
ban, picking up every one of them -- Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them
all in -- I would have done it."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/03/07/EDGIV5EQ6B1.DTL


>> >> >Either
>> >> >we ban all guns or we allow gun owners to leave the loaded weapons
>> >> >laying around for their sons to kill their daughers.  No mid-ground,
>> >> >is there?
>> >>
>> >> That fact that the rate of accidental gun deaths has been dropping for
>> >> decades is something you people conveniently ignore, isn't it? Why is
>> >> that?
>> >
>> >Cite?
>> http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=120
>
>The NRA???  How about a reputable source that doesn't have a stake in the
>outcome of the statistics???  

You asked for a cite and I gave it to you. Feel free to provide ANY
contradictory statistics from the source of your own choosing.

In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
wrote:

>
>"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message 
>news:c6db24hips4bq1md8uj4hqbtj5j586lc43@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>
>>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>>>> >> XXX wrote:
>>>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>>>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and
>>>> >> >> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little
>>>> >> >> girl's burial.
>
>
>This child did NOT accidentally 'shoot and kill his sister'.  He 
>purposefully retrieved the gun *to* shoot his sister after a *disagreement*. 
>I'd say this child is very troubled to say the least, and will continue to 
>be a danger to others as he grows.  Especially if he is returned to the 
>envirnoment in which he was raised.

Funny how you know exactly what took place. Were you there? I'm going
by the news article quoted above. Note the word "accidentally."

Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>
> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> >> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> >> >> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Bama Brian  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> XXX wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally
> >> >> >> >> >> shot and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery
> >> >> >> >> >> before the little girl's burial.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have waited
> >> >> >> >> > until AFTER the burial???
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child
> >> >> >> >> >> neglect for allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun
> >> >> >> >> >> where his son could find it.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old
> >> >> >> >> >> Booher should have been more careful in keeping the gun
> >> >> >> >> >> away from his son.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken
> >> >> >> >> >> the gun from atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into a
> >> >> >> >> >> kitchen cabinet eight months ago.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a
> >> >> >> >> >> bookcase to get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old Makayla
> >> >> >> >> >> in the face.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three
> >> >> >> >> >> counts of felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in
> >> >> >> >> >> prison.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their
> >> >> >> >> > fathers left loaded guns all over the house and how that is
> >> >> >> >> > just a wonderful childhood experience to shoot your
> >> >> >> >> > 4-year-old sister in the face (just like it was for that
> >> >> >> >> > 8-year-old boy, being shot in the chest by his father).
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Which one was that?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >This one:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-huntin
> >> >> >> >g-a cci den t.h tml
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> We should ban guns to prevent accidents. Oh wait, that won't
> >> >> >> work either:
> >> >> >> http://japanesepolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/cop-fires-gun-by-acci
> >> >> >> den t-i n-p olice-box.html
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Why do you gun loons always jump straight to banning guns?  The
> >> >> >idea of responsible gun ownership never seems to enter your minds,
> >> >> >does it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Why do you gun grabbing monkeys use anecdotal evidence as proof
> >> >> that most or all gun owners are unsafe?
> >> >
> >> >Who said all or most?  I would say that the two gun owners in the
> >> >stories presented were pretty damned unsafe, though.
> >>
> >> Gee, I don't recall anyone arguing the fact that the two gun owners
> >> were unsafe, do you?
> >
> >And I only recall the gun loons being the ones talking about banning
> >guns.
>
> Allow me to educate you:
>
> Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., on CBS "60 Minutes": "If I could have
> gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright
> ban, picking up every one of them -- Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them
> all in -- I would have done it."
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/03
> /07/EDGIV5EQ6B1.DTL

Holy shit!  Sen. Feinstein is in this newsgroup????  Wow!  That IS an
education.  But, still, I don't recall her talking in this thread about
banning guns.

> >> >> >Either
> >> >> >we ban all guns or we allow gun owners to leave the loaded weapons
> >> >> >laying around for their sons to kill their daughers.  No
> >> >> >mid-ground, is there?
> >> >>
> >> >> That fact that the rate of accidental gun deaths has been dropping
> >> >> for decades is something you people conveniently ignore, isn't it?
> >> >> Why is that?
> >> >
> >> >Cite?
> >> http://www.nraila.org/issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=120
> >
> >The NRA???  How about a reputable source that doesn't have a stake in
> >the outcome of the statistics???
>
> You asked for a cite and I gave it to you. Feel free to provide ANY
> contradictory statistics from the source of your own choosing.

I'm not going to do your work for you, jackass.

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> In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message
>>news:c6db24hips4bq1md8uj4hqbtj5j586lc43@4ax.com...
>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>>>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>>>>> >> XXX wrote:
>>>>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>>>>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot 
>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>> >> >> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little
>>>>> >> >> girl's burial.
>>
>>
>>This child did NOT accidentally 'shoot and kill his sister'.  He
>>purposefully retrieved the gun *to* shoot his sister after a 
>>*disagreement*.
>>I'd say this child is very troubled to say the least, and will continue to
>>be a danger to others as he grows.  Especially if he is returned to the
>>envirnoment in which he was raised.
>
> Funny how you know exactly what took place. Were you there? I'm going
> by the news article quoted above. Note the word "accidentally."
>
>


IMO, an *accident* is when a gun goes off, without purpose or intent.  When 
someone retrieves a firearm, aims and shoots it at another with purposeful 
*intent*, I'd hardly call that an *accident*.  Would you?

Dad Charged In Alleged Sororicide: I've Suffered Enough
Man Asks For Leniency; Police Say Boy Shot Gun Before

INDIANAPOLIS -- The father of a 5-year-old boy who police say fatally shot
his 4-year-old sister told reporters Thursday that neglect charges against
him should be dropped, arguing the emotional pain he feels is punishment
enough.

"I have to live with this for the rest of my life. I don't know if I can,"
James Michael Booher (pictured) tearfully said to reporters in an interview
at the Marion County Jail



But authorities argue the charges are warranted in part because Sunday's
shooting was not the first time that Booher's son had found a gun at home
and fired it.

"Booher knew that his son could get access to the gun," said Marion County
Prosecutor Carl Brizzi, who filed three felony counts of neglect against
Booher on Thursday.

****Police said the boy had a confrontation with his sister, Makayla Booher, 
on
Sunday morning shortly before the shooting at their home in the 6100 block
of Massachusetts Avenue. The boy went downstairs, used a chair to reach a
gun at the top of a bookcase, went back upstairs and shot his sister at
close range, police said.****

Authorities said that eight months ago, when the family was living at a
different Indianapolis home, the boy used a chair to reach his father's gun
atop a refrigerator. On that day, he fired a bullet into a kitchen cupboard,
police said.

James Booher was aware that his son "knew how to operate the gun and in fact
had fired the gun eight months before," Brizzi said.

After Sunday's shooting, according to police, Booher told investigators he
thought the .40-caliber semiautomatic gun had been stored unloaded because
its magazine had been removed. Police said that despite the magazine's
removal, a bullet still was in the gun.

Two years ago, police said, child welfare workers removed the children from
their father because medical personnel learned that the girl had broken
ribs. The welfare workers initially suspected abuse but eventually decided
not to report the case to police, 6News' Jack Rinehart reported.

Authorities said Booher's home on Sunday contained weapons such as Chinese
throwing stars and samurai swords. Brizzi said Booher's home was a dangerous
environment.

"It wasn't just one thing that led to the charging decision. It was sort of
a culmination of events -- the prior shooting, and all these weapons,"
Brizzi said. "If it wasn't the gun, it could have been any number of weapons
that could have put these kids in a dangerous place."

Booher was arrested Wednesday at the conclusion of Makayla's funeral.
According to the prosecutor's office, he had been hiding in the days after
Sunday's shooting, and police decided to arrest him at the funeral in part
because they considered him a flight risk, Rinehart reported.

In Thursday's interview at the jail, Booher said he perhaps "wasn't the
safest person" and that he perhaps "should have done something different,"
but that he never intended harm to come to his children.

"I would never intentionally hurt my children or put them in harm's way,
ever," he said.

He also had a message for his son: "That it wasn't his fault and that daddy
still loves him very much."

Booher was charged with two Class D felony counts of neglect and one Class A
count, which itself carries a penalty of between 20 to 50 years in prison
with a conviction.

Makayla's mother, Michelle Vensko, told 6News Wednesday that she doesn't
think he should be charged.

The boy and his teenage sister, who was also home at the time of the
shooting, were placed in foster care.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/16201644/detail.html

Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message
> >news:c6db24hips4bq1md8uj4hqbtj5j586lc43@4ax.com...
> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> >>
> >>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> >>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
> >>>> >> XXX wrote:
> >>>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
> >>>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
> >>>> >> >>
> >>>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot
> >>>> >> >> and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the
> >>>> >> >> little girl's burial.
> >
> >
> >This child did NOT accidentally 'shoot and kill his sister'.  He
> >purposefully retrieved the gun *to* shoot his sister after a
> >*disagreement*. I'd say this child is very troubled to say the least,
> >and will continue to be a danger to others as he grows.  Especially if
> >he is returned to the envirnoment in which he was raised.
>
> Funny how you know exactly what took place. Were you there? I'm going
> by the news article quoted above. Note the word "accidentally."

Guess that isn't the view of the locals, though.

http://www.wlzq.com/news/2008/05/indy-father-arrested-after-son-kills.htm

Indy Father Arrested After Son Kills Daughter
Police have arrested an Indianapolis father whose five-year-old son fatally
shot his four-year-old sister with a handgun. A spokesman says the Marion
County Prosecutor has not decided what charges to file. Police arrested the
26-year-old father at the girl's funeral yesterday.

Or this one; watch the video:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=953_1210345258

The ploice have ruled that shooting as an accident (which doesn't mean that
it is), but that everything leading up to the shooting was criminal.

"tiny dancer"  wrote:
> "Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message
> news:7egb24tjmu9b20a4log6bvdp6cm461qik4@4ax.com...
> > In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message
> >>news:c6db24hips4bq1md8uj4hqbtj5j586lc43@4ax.com...
> >>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
> >>>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
> >>>>> >> XXX wrote:
> >>>>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
> >>>>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
> >>>>> >> >>
> >>>>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot
> >>>>> >> >> and
> >>>>> >> >> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the
> >>>>> >> >> little girl's burial.
> >>
> >>
> >>This child did NOT accidentally 'shoot and kill his sister'.  He
> >>purposefully retrieved the gun *to* shoot his sister after a
> >>*disagreement*.
> >>I'd say this child is very troubled to say the least, and will continue
> >>to be a danger to others as he grows.  Especially if he is returned to
> >>the envirnoment in which he was raised.
> >
> > Funny how you know exactly what took place. Were you there? I'm going
> > by the news article quoted above. Note the word "accidentally."
> >
> >
>
> IMO, an *accident* is when a gun goes off, without purpose or intent.
> When someone retrieves a firearm, aims and shoots it at another with
> purposeful *intent*, I'd hardly call that an *accident*.  Would you?

And the fact that the boy just had a confrontation with his sister; that he
had shot the gun, before; and that the children had been removed from the
home, before, for abuse is all a HUGE conincidence.  Amazing how they
happen so often.

> Dad Charged In Alleged Sororicide: I've Suffered Enough
> Man Asks For Leniency; Police Say Boy Shot Gun Before
>
> INDIANAPOLIS -- The father of a 5-year-old boy who police say fatally
> shot his 4-year-old sister told reporters Thursday that neglect charges
> against him should be dropped, arguing the emotional pain he feels is
> punishment enough.
>
> "I have to live with this for the rest of my life. I don't know if I can,
> " James Michael Booher (pictured) tearfully said to reporters in an
> interview at the Marion County Jail
>
> But authorities argue the charges are warranted in part because Sunday's
> shooting was not the first time that Booher's son had found a gun at home
> and fired it.
>
> "Booher knew that his son could get access to the gun," said Marion
> County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi, who filed three felony counts of neglect
> against Booher on Thursday.
>
> ****Police said the boy had a confrontation with his sister, Makayla
> Booher, on
> Sunday morning shortly before the shooting at their home in the 6100
> block of Massachusetts Avenue. The boy went downstairs, used a chair to
> reach a gun at the top of a bookcase, went back upstairs and shot his
> sister at close range, police said.****
>
> Authorities said that eight months ago, when the family was living at a
> different Indianapolis home, the boy used a chair to reach his father's
> gun atop a refrigerator. On that day, he fired a bullet into a kitchen
> cupboard, police said.
>
> James Booher was aware that his son "knew how to operate the gun and in
> fact had fired the gun eight months before," Brizzi said.
>
> After Sunday's shooting, according to police, Booher told investigators
> he thought the .40-caliber semiautomatic gun had been stored unloaded
> because its magazine had been removed. Police said that despite the
> magazine's removal, a bullet still was in the gun.
>
> Two years ago, police said, child welfare workers removed the children
> from their father because medical personnel learned that the girl had
> broken ribs. The welfare workers initially suspected abuse but eventually
> decided not to report the case to police, 6News' Jack Rinehart reported.
>
> Authorities said Booher's home on Sunday contained weapons such as
> Chinese throwing stars and samurai swords. Brizzi said Booher's home was
> a dangerous environment.
>
> "It wasn't just one thing that led to the charging decision. It was sort
> of a culmination of events -- the prior shooting, and all these weapons,"
> Brizzi said. "If it wasn't the gun, it could have been any number of
> weapons that could have put these kids in a dangerous place."
>
> Booher was arrested Wednesday at the conclusion of Makayla's funeral.
> According to the prosecutor's office, he had been hiding in the days
> after Sunday's shooting, and police decided to arrest him at the funeral
> in part because they considered him a flight risk, Rinehart reported.
>
> In Thursday's interview at the jail, Booher said he perhaps "wasn't the
> safest person" and that he perhaps "should have done something different,
> " but that he never intended harm to come to his children.
>
> "I would never intentionally hurt my children or put them in harm's way,
> ever," he said.
>
> He also had a message for his son: "That it wasn't his fault and that
> daddy still loves him very much."
>
> Booher was charged with two Class D felony counts of neglect and one
> Class A count, which itself carries a penalty of between 20 to 50 years
> in prison with a conviction.
>
> Makayla's mother, Michelle Vensko, told 6News Wednesday that she doesn't
> think he should be charged.
>
> The boy and his teenage sister, who was also home at the time of the
> shooting, were placed in foster care.
>
> http://www.theindychannel.com/news/16201644/detail.html

In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:

>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message
>> >news:c6db24hips4bq1md8uj4hqbtj5j586lc43@4ax.com...
>> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> >>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>> >>>> >> XXX wrote:
>> >>>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot
>> >>>> >> >> and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the
>> >>>> >> >> little girl's burial.
>> >
>> >
>> >This child did NOT accidentally 'shoot and kill his sister'.  He
>> >purposefully retrieved the gun *to* shoot his sister after a
>> >*disagreement*. I'd say this child is very troubled to say the least,
>> >and will continue to be a danger to others as he grows.  Especially if
>> >he is returned to the envirnoment in which he was raised.
>>
>> Funny how you know exactly what took place. Were you there? I'm going
>> by the news article quoted above. Note the word "accidentally."
>
>Guess that isn't the view of the locals, though.

Opinions are like assholes- everyone has one.

>The ploice have ruled that shooting as an accident 

Yep. And they were there investigating it, and you weren't.

In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
wrote:

>
>"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message 
>news:7egb24tjmu9b20a4log6bvdp6cm461qik4@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message
>>>news:c6db24hips4bq1md8uj4hqbtj5j586lc43@4ax.com...
>>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>>>>>> >> XXX wrote:
>>>>>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot 
>>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>>> >> >> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little
>>>>>> >> >> girl's burial.
>>>
>>>
>>>This child did NOT accidentally 'shoot and kill his sister'.  He
>>>purposefully retrieved the gun *to* shoot his sister after a 
>>>*disagreement*.
>>>I'd say this child is very troubled to say the least, and will continue to
>>>be a danger to others as he grows.  Especially if he is returned to the
>>>envirnoment in which he was raised.
>>
>> Funny how you know exactly what took place. Were you there? I'm going
>> by the news article quoted above. Note the word "accidentally."
>>
>>
>
>
>IMO, an *accident* is when a gun goes off, without purpose or intent.  When 
>someone retrieves a firearm, aims and shoots it at another with purposeful 
>*intent*, I'd hardly call that an *accident*.  Would you?


It doesn't really matter what you think. The police investigated the
incident, and said "accident."

You can wish it to be murder if it makes you feel better, though. And
strangely enough, I'll bet it does make you feel better.

Buck Mulligan wrote:
> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>
>> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>
>> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>
>> Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and
>> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little
>> girl's burial.
>
> That's too bad.

Too bad it wasn't your kids ... asswipe.

In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:

>Buck Mulligan wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>>
>>> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>>
>>> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>>
>>> Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot and
>>> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the little
>>> girl's burial.
>>
>> That's too bad.
>
>Too bad it wasn't your kids ... asswipe.
>

Too bad it wasn't you, cock breath. It will be a happy day when
someone turns your head into a pink cloud.

"XXX"  wrote in message 
news:20080510115533.481$ID@newsreader.com...
> Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message
>> >news:c6db24hips4bq1md8uj4hqbtj5j586lc43@4ax.com...
>> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> >>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>> >>>> >> XXX wrote:
>> >>>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot
>> >>>> >> >> and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the
>> >>>> >> >> little girl's burial.
>> >
>> >
>> >This child did NOT accidentally 'shoot and kill his sister'.  He
>> >purposefully retrieved the gun *to* shoot his sister after a
>> >*disagreement*. I'd say this child is very troubled to say the least,
>> >and will continue to be a danger to others as he grows.  Especially if
>> >he is returned to the envirnoment in which he was raised.
>>
>> Funny how you know exactly what took place. Were you there? I'm going
>> by the news article quoted above. Note the word "accidentally."
>
> Guess that isn't the view of the locals, though.
>
> http://www.wlzq.com/news/2008/05/indy-father-arrested-after-son-kills.htm
>
> Indy Father Arrested After Son Kills Daughter
> Police have arrested an Indianapolis father whose five-year-old son 
> fatally
> shot his four-year-old sister with a handgun. A spokesman says the Marion
> County Prosecutor has not decided what charges to file. Police arrested 
> the
> 26-year-old father at the girl's funeral yesterday.
>
> Or this one; watch the video:
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=953_1210345258
>
> The ploice have ruled that shooting as an accident (which doesn't mean 
> that
> it is), but that everything leading up to the shooting was criminal.


I stand by my original comment.  When one goes to find a gun, climbs up on a 
chair to get said gun, retrieves said gun, and runs back to shoot his 
sister, the same sister he'd just had an argument with, straight in the face 
at point blank range, that doesn't, in my book, constitute *an accident*.


td

"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message 
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> In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message
>>news:7egb24tjmu9b20a4log6bvdp6cm461qik4@4ax.com...
>>> In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message
>>>>news:c6db24hips4bq1md8uj4hqbtj5j586lc43@4ax.com...
>>>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>>>>>>> >> XXX wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot
>>>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>>>> >> >> killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the 
>>>>>>> >> >> little
>>>>>>> >> >> girl's burial.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This child did NOT accidentally 'shoot and kill his sister'.  He
>>>>purposefully retrieved the gun *to* shoot his sister after a
>>>>*disagreement*.
>>>>I'd say this child is very troubled to say the least, and will continue 
>>>>to
>>>>be a danger to others as he grows.  Especially if he is returned to the
>>>>envirnoment in which he was raised.
>>>
>>> Funny how you know exactly what took place. Were you there? I'm going
>>> by the news article quoted above. Note the word "accidentally."
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>IMO, an *accident* is when a gun goes off, without purpose or intent. 
>>When
>>someone retrieves a firearm, aims and shoots it at another with purposeful
>>*intent*, I'd hardly call that an *accident*.  Would you?
>
>
> It doesn't really matter what you think. The police investigated the
> incident, and said "accident."
>
> You can wish it to be murder if it makes you feel better, though. And
> strangely enough, I'll bet it does make you feel better.


If you are arguing from a pro gun ownership stance, are you too dim to 
realize calling this an *accident* hurts your position?

I should preface this by saying I own guns, I can put six shots through the 
heart with my .357 at 25 ft.   I am not a 'gun nut' nor the opposite.  But I 
do find it highly offensive to be lumped into a group with irresponsible 
owners such as this father and the drunken pot-head who mistook his 8 yr. 
old child for a turkey.

Buck Mulligan  wrote in
news:eagb249tj2mbivru2vjmj0ea06dvnmvmcm@4ax.com: 

> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
> 
>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>>
>>> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>>> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>>> >> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>>> >> >> >> XXX wrote:
>>> >> >> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally
>>> >> >> >> >>  shot 
>>> >> >> >> >> and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery
>>> >> >> >> >> before the little girl's burial.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > Now, seriously, was THAT necessary?  They could have
>>> >> >> >> > waited until AFTER the burial???
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> James Michael Booher faces charges that include child
>>> >> >> >> >> neglect for allegedly leaving a semiautomatic handgun
>>> >> >> >> >> where his son could find it.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> Marion County Prosecutor Carl Brizzi says 26-year-old
>>> >> >> >> >> Booher should have been more careful in keeping the gun
>>> >> >> >> >> away from his son.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> He says that is true especially since the boy had taken
>>> >> >> >> >> the gun from atop a refrigerator and shot a bullet into
>>> >> >> >> >> a kitchen cabinet eight months ago.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> Police say her brother climbed up to the top shelf of a
>>> >> >> >> >> bookcase to get the gun. Then shot his 4-year-old
>>> >> >> >> >> Makayla in the face.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> Booher was being held in the Marion County Jail on three
>>> >> >> >> >> counts of felony neglect. He faces up to 56 years in
>>> >> >> >> >> prison. 
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > No doubt the gun loons will be spouting about how their
>>> >> >> >> > fathers left loaded guns all over the house and how that
>>> >> >> >> > is just a wonderful childhood experience to shoot your
>>> >> >> >> > 4-year-old sister in the face (just like it was for that
>>> >> >> >> > 8-year-old boy, being shot in the chest by his father).
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Which one was that?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >This one:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/04/father-kills-son-in-hunti
>>> >> >> >ng-a cci den t.h tml
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We should ban guns to prevent accidents. Oh wait, that won't
>>> >> >> work either:
>>> >> >> http://japanesepolice.blogspot.com/2008/02/cop-fires-gun-by-acc
>>> >> >> iden t-i n-p olice-box.html
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Why do you gun loons always jump straight to banning guns?  The
>>> >> >idea of responsible gun ownership never seems to enter your
>>> >> >minds, does it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Why do you gun grabbing monkeys use anecdotal evidence as proof
>>> >> that most or all gun owners are unsafe?
>>> >
>>> >Who said all or most?  I would say that the two gun owners in the
>>> >stories presented were pretty damned unsafe, though.
>>>
>>> Gee, I don't recall anyone arguing the fact that the two gun owners
>>> were unsafe, do you?
>>
>>And I only recall the gun loons being the ones talking about banning
>>guns. 
> 
> Allow me to educate you:
> 
> Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., on CBS "60 Minutes": "If I could have
> gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright
> ban, picking up every one of them -- Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them
> all in -- I would have done it."
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/
> 03/07/EDGIV5EQ6B1.DTL 

We've been through this before.  You have strong arguments for your side, 
so why lie?  This interview was about assault weapons, and they were the 
antecedent of DiFi's "them."

<snip>

"XXX"  wrote in message 
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> Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Buck Mulligan"  wrote in message
>> >news:c6db24hips4bq1md8uj4hqbtj5j586lc43@4ax.com...
>> >> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Buck Mulligan  wrote:
>> >>>> In talk.politics.guns xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >Bama Brian  wrote:
>> >>>> >> XXX wrote:
>> >>>> >> > "_ Prof. Jonez _"  wrote:
>> >>>> >> >> Boy, 5, Shoots Little Sister After Fight
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> May 9, 2008, 1:55 PM PDT
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>  Indianapolis -- A man whose 5-year-old son accidentally shot
>> >>>> >> >> and killed his sister was arrested at the cemetery before the
>> >>>> >> >> little girl's burial.
>> >
>> >
>> >This child did NOT accidentally 'shoot and kill his sister'.  He
>> >purposefully retrieved the gun *to* shoot his sister after a
>> >*disagreement*. I'd say this child is very troubled to say the least,
>> >and will continue to be a danger to others as he grows.  Especially if
>> >he is returned to the envirnoment in which he was raised.
>>
>> Funny how you know exactly what took place. Were you there? I'm going
>> by the news article quoted above. Note the word "accidentally."
>
> Guess that isn't the view of the locals, though.
>
> http://www.wlzq.com/news/2008/05/indy-father-arrested-after-son-kills.htm
>
> Indy Father Arrested After Son Kills Daughter
> Police have arrested an Indianapolis father whose five-year-old son 
> fatally
> shot his four-year-old sister with a handgun. A spokesman says the Marion
> County Prosecutor has not decided what charges to file. Police arrested 
> the
> 26-year-old father at the girl's funeral yesterday.
>
> Or this one; watch the video:
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=953_1210345258
>
> The ploice have ruled that shooting as an accident (which doesn't mean 
> that
> it is), but that everything leading up to the shooting was criminal.


It appears the *locals* are too frightened by the truth.  That a five year 
old child, settled his dispute with his four year old sister, by blowing her 
head off.    I would also surmise that this child will essentially go 
'unhelped' and we will hear more from him in the future, unfortunately.


td

In talk.politics.guns "tiny dancer" 
wrote:


>It appears the *locals* are too frightened by the truth. 

Your 'truth', you mean?

"XXX"  wrote in message 
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>
> Why do you gun loons always jump straight to banning guns?


Because that's where the road goes.  The very fact that you say "loons" 
implies that you believe we're crazy, and I'm sure you don't think crazy 
people should have guns.



Regards, PLMerite


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"tiny dancer"  wrote in message 
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>
>
>
> If you are arguing from a pro gun ownership stance, are you too dim to 
> realize calling this an *accident* hurts your position?


I want to know more details about the mechanics of this accident.  The 
string of actions required for a five-year-old child to successfully fire a 
handgun and have the bullet kill his (apparently) intended targets is pretty 
remarkable.


Regards, PLMerite


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"PLMerite"  wrote in message 
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> "tiny dancer"  wrote in message 
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>> If you are arguing from a pro gun ownership stance, are you too dim to 
>> realize calling this an *accident* hurts your position?
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> I want to know more details about the mechanics of this accident.  The 
> string of actions required for a five-year-old child to successfully fire 
> a handgun and have the bullet kill his (apparently) intended targets is 
> pretty remarkable.

Yes, there is (at least) some negligence involved, and clearly it requires
more than a firearm, more than leaving it accessible, more than even
leaving it loaded.