On Jan 31, 11:20 am, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
> Gunner  wrote innews:1l24q39qt5ibc5qaqrb38j1q4gp8kfkro6@4ax.com:
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> > On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:18:24 GMT, "Blinky Bill" 
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> >>"Gunner"  wrote in message
> >>news:uv72q31klkqma3i9tmh5raetdhajusvvfe@4ax.com...
> >>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:03:47 GMT, "Blinky Bill" 
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> >>>>"Gunner"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:sep0q39jiqg0k1lulkln6nbt52lrqnamcv@4ax.com...
> >>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:53:24 GMT, "Blinky Bill"
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> >>>>>>> Please provide citations to back up your claim that crime didnt
> >>>>>>> drop in CCW states.
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> >>>>>>Alabama - introduced CCW 1977. In 1976 violent crime rate was
> >>>>>>388.8. The rate has never been below 400 in the 30 years since CCW
> >>>>>>- it peaked at 871.7
> >>>>>>in 1992 (FBI UCR)
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> >>>>> Please provide links
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> >>>>FBI UCR
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> >>> Still waiting
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> >>Poor helpless cock-breated cretin - let me spoon-feed you.
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> >>http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/
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> > Which portion,
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> http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/Search/Crime/State/RunCrimeSt...
> yState.cfm
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> I don't have the date when Alabama became a "shall issue" state.

I used the following page: http://www.moccw.org/ccwtable.html

Alabama is generally considered a shall issue, according to the list.

Using the same list, and going through the violent crime index (I used
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/)
I found that three of the first seven states had index values that
climbed over the CCW period. I can do the rest
of them, if you like, but I think it proves the point.

The ones I ran across were:

AK, GA, ID and IN. That was as far as I went.

The numbers (and chart) look like this:

State	Years	Trng	Age	Initial	Renewal	RECI-	Finger-	Back-
	Duration	Hours		Fee	Fee	PROCITY	prints?	ground	Date Start	Start
Violent Index	Current Violent Index	Shall Issue List Source:
http://www.moccw.org/ccwtable.html
								Check?
AK	5	12	21	123	57	yes	?	?	2002	28,133	28,765
AL**	1	none	21	25	6	no	N	N	2006	200,578	n/a
AR	4	5	21	100	100	yes	Y	Y	2005	127,584 	127,177
AZ	4	16	21	50	?	yes	Y	Y	2003	340,669	316, 286
CT	5	5	21	70	35	yes	Y	Y	2002	104,223	97,605 
FL	3	5	21	123	70	yes	Y	Y	2004	850,895 	849,879 
GA	5	none	21	40	?	yes	Y	Y	2002	385,830 	408,289 
ID	4	7	21	56	24	yes	Y	N	2003	3,362	3,625
IN	4	none	18	25	15	yes	Y	Y	2003	229,881 	240,993 


The last two columns are the starting and ending values (assuming that
the years are correct, I took the
original source's word for this). The starting year is listed in the
third to last column

Matt