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date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:42:15 -0800,
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Re: Gun Control: Gun crime soars in the U.K
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:08 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
<rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>Gunner wrote in
>news:sep0q39jiqg0k1lulkln6nbt52lrqnamcv@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:53:24 GMT, "Blinky Bill"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Please provide citations to back up your claim that crime didnt drop
>>>> in CCW states.
>>>
>>>Alabama - introduced CCW 1977. In 1976 violent crime rate was 388.8.
>>>The rate has never been below 400 in the 30 years since CCW - it
>>>peaked at 871.7 in 1992 (FBI UCR)
>>
>> Please provide links
>> Gunner
>
>Here is the UCR on Alabama from
>
>
>Violent crime
>Violent Crime rate Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter rate Forcible
>rape rate Robbery rate Aggravated assault rate
>
> Violent Murder Aggravated
> Crime Non Neg Rape Robbery Assault
>Year Pop Rate Manslau Rate Rate Rate
>
>1960 3,266,740 186.6 12.4 8.6 27.5 138.1
>1961 3,302,000 168.5 12.9 7.6 19.1 128.9
>1962 3,358,000 157.3 9.4 6.5 22.5 119.0
>1963 3,347,000 182.7 10.2 5.7 24.7 142.1
>1964 3,407,000 213.1 9.3 11.7 29.1 163.0
>1965 3,462,000 199.8 11.4 10.6 28.7 149.1
>1966 3,517,000 230.3 10.9 9.7 32.0 177.7
>1967 3,540,000 238.6 11.7 10.5 33.0 183.5
>1968 3,566,000 232.4 11.8 11.1 41.0 168.5
>1969 3,531,000 250.4 13.7 14.0 41.0 181.7
>1970 3,444,165 295.7 11.7 18.5 50.3 215.2
>1971 3,479,000 311.4 15.1 19.0 57.6 219.7
>1972 3,510,000 313.2 14.1 18.8 68.6 211.7
>1973 3,539,000 350.1 13.2 21.2 79.4 236.3
>1974 3,577,000 372.9 15.0 22.7 99.6 235.6
>1975 3,614,000 392.9 16.0 20.4 123.0 233.5
>1976 3,665,000 388.8 15.1 21.7 96.0 256.0
>1977 3,690,000 414.4 14.2 25.2 96.8 278.3
>1978 3,742,000 419.1 13.3 25.5 99.1 281.2
>1979 3,769,000 413.3 13.2 27.5 109.5 263.1
>1980 3,861,466 448.5 13.2 30.0 132.1 273.2
>1981 3,916,000 470.5 11.9 26.1 126.5 306.1
>1982 3,943,000 447.7 10.6 26.0 112.0 299.1
>1983 3,959,000 416.0 9.2 23.5 98.4 284.9
>1984 3,990,000 431.2 9.4 25.1 96.1 300.6
>1985 4,021,000 457.5 9.8 26.8 105.4 315.5
>1986 4,053,000 558.0 10.1 28.4 111.6 407.9
>1987 4,083,000 559.2 9.3 27.8 112.2 409.9
>1988 4,127,000 558.6 9.9 29.8 117.8 401.2
>1989 4,118,000 590.8 10.2 31.0 133.9 415.7
>1990 4,040,587 708.6 11.6 32.6 143.7 520.7
>1991 4,089,000 844.2 11.5 35.6 152.8 644.4
>1992 4,136,000 871.7 11.0 41.2 164.9 654.6
>1993 4,187,000 780.4 11.6 35.1 159.5 574.3
>1994 4,219,000 683.7 11.9 35.2 171.2 465.3
>1995 4,253,000 632.4 11.2 31.7 185.8 403.7
>1996 4,273,000 565.4 10.0 33.0 167.0 356.0
>1997 4,319,000 564.5 9.9 32.3 160.5 361.8
>1998 4,352,000 512.1 8.1 33.2 130.9 339.9
>1999 4,370,000 490.2 7.9 34.6 121.2 326.5
>2000 4,447,100 486.2 7.4 33.3 128.2 317.2
>2001 4,464,356 438.6 8.5 30.7 125.1 274.4
>2002 4,478,896 445.0 6.8 37.2 133.1 268.0
>2003 4,503,726 429.2 6.6 36.8 134.1 251.7
>2004 4,525,375 427.0 5.6 38.5 133.5 249.4
>2005 4,557,808 431.7 8.2 34.3 141.4 247.8
>2006 4,599,030 425.2 8.3 35.9 153.5 227.6
Its interesting to watch the crime rate rise with the population.
Binky of course assumes that the population stayed static.
Now as to the Rate of rise after CCW, it appears to be lower after,
then before.
Gunner
date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:42:15 -0800
author: Gunner
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Re: Gun Control: Gun crime soars in the U.K
Gunner wrote in
news:nm85q354rl64l8dcfmpn69fh83olrs2uv0@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:08 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Gunner wrote in
>>news:sep0q39jiqg0k1lulkln6nbt52lrqnamcv@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:53:24 GMT, "Blinky Bill"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide citations to back up your claim that crime didnt
>>>>> drop in CCW states.
>>>>
Snipped due to scrambling......
>
> Its interesting to watch the crime rate rise with the population.
>
> Binky of course assumes that the population stayed static.
One of the purposes of using a rate is to eliminate the effect of a
rising or declining population. Or to allow better comparisons between
two places with differing populations.
> Now as to the Rate of rise after CCW, it appears to be lower after,
> then before.
It may have been, but AFAIK Alabama is not a state with a lot of CCW. It
appears to be a "may issue". That could be on a whim by the man with the
OK button. I have also seen charts which show it as a "shall issue" so I
really don't know which it is.
Are there any Alabamans in the house????
--
RD (The Sandman)
War is absolute hell.....but to give in
to terrorism is much, much worse
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:33:43 -0600
author: RD (The Sandman) rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net
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Re: Gun Control: Gun crime soars in the U.K
Gunner wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:08 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Gunner wrote in
>> news:sep0q39jiqg0k1lulkln6nbt52lrqnamcv@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:53:24 GMT, "Blinky Bill"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Please provide citations to back up your claim that crime didnt drop
>>>>> in CCW states.
>>>> Alabama - introduced CCW 1977. In 1976 violent crime rate was 388.8.
>>>> The rate has never been below 400 in the 30 years since CCW - it
>>>> peaked at 871.7 in 1992 (FBI UCR)
>>> Please provide links
>>> Gunner
>> Here is the UCR on Alabama from
>>
>>
>> Violent crime
>> Violent Crime rate Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter rate Forcible
>> rape rate Robbery rate Aggravated assault rate
>>
>> Violent Murder Aggravated
>> Crime Non Neg Rape Robbery Assault
>> Year Pop Rate Manslau Rate Rate Rate
>>
>> 1960 3,266,740 186.6 12.4 8.6 27.5 138.1
>> 1961 3,302,000 168.5 12.9 7.6 19.1 128.9
>> 1962 3,358,000 157.3 9.4 6.5 22.5 119.0
>> 1963 3,347,000 182.7 10.2 5.7 24.7 142.1
>> 1964 3,407,000 213.1 9.3 11.7 29.1 163.0
>> 1965 3,462,000 199.8 11.4 10.6 28.7 149.1
>> 1966 3,517,000 230.3 10.9 9.7 32.0 177.7
>> 1967 3,540,000 238.6 11.7 10.5 33.0 183.5
>> 1968 3,566,000 232.4 11.8 11.1 41.0 168.5
>> 1969 3,531,000 250.4 13.7 14.0 41.0 181.7
>> 1970 3,444,165 295.7 11.7 18.5 50.3 215.2
>> 1971 3,479,000 311.4 15.1 19.0 57.6 219.7
>> 1972 3,510,000 313.2 14.1 18.8 68.6 211.7
>> 1973 3,539,000 350.1 13.2 21.2 79.4 236.3
>> 1974 3,577,000 372.9 15.0 22.7 99.6 235.6
>> 1975 3,614,000 392.9 16.0 20.4 123.0 233.5
>> 1976 3,665,000 388.8 15.1 21.7 96.0 256.0
>> 1977 3,690,000 414.4 14.2 25.2 96.8 278.3
>> 1978 3,742,000 419.1 13.3 25.5 99.1 281.2
>> 1979 3,769,000 413.3 13.2 27.5 109.5 263.1
>> 1980 3,861,466 448.5 13.2 30.0 132.1 273.2
>> 1981 3,916,000 470.5 11.9 26.1 126.5 306.1
>> 1982 3,943,000 447.7 10.6 26.0 112.0 299.1
>> 1983 3,959,000 416.0 9.2 23.5 98.4 284.9
>> 1984 3,990,000 431.2 9.4 25.1 96.1 300.6
>> 1985 4,021,000 457.5 9.8 26.8 105.4 315.5
>> 1986 4,053,000 558.0 10.1 28.4 111.6 407.9
>> 1987 4,083,000 559.2 9.3 27.8 112.2 409.9
>> 1988 4,127,000 558.6 9.9 29.8 117.8 401.2
>> 1989 4,118,000 590.8 10.2 31.0 133.9 415.7
>> 1990 4,040,587 708.6 11.6 32.6 143.7 520.7
>> 1991 4,089,000 844.2 11.5 35.6 152.8 644.4
>> 1992 4,136,000 871.7 11.0 41.2 164.9 654.6
>> 1993 4,187,000 780.4 11.6 35.1 159.5 574.3
>> 1994 4,219,000 683.7 11.9 35.2 171.2 465.3
>> 1995 4,253,000 632.4 11.2 31.7 185.8 403.7
>> 1996 4,273,000 565.4 10.0 33.0 167.0 356.0
>> 1997 4,319,000 564.5 9.9 32.3 160.5 361.8
>> 1998 4,352,000 512.1 8.1 33.2 130.9 339.9
>> 1999 4,370,000 490.2 7.9 34.6 121.2 326.5
>> 2000 4,447,100 486.2 7.4 33.3 128.2 317.2
>> 2001 4,464,356 438.6 8.5 30.7 125.1 274.4
>> 2002 4,478,896 445.0 6.8 37.2 133.1 268.0
>> 2003 4,503,726 429.2 6.6 36.8 134.1 251.7
>> 2004 4,525,375 427.0 5.6 38.5 133.5 249.4
>> 2005 4,557,808 431.7 8.2 34.3 141.4 247.8
>> 2006 4,599,030 425.2 8.3 35.9 153.5 227.6
>
>
> Its interesting to watch the crime rate rise with the population.
>
> Binky of course assumes that the population stayed static.
>
> Now as to the Rate of rise after CCW, it appears to be lower after,
> then before.
>
> Gunner
Note how Runner even fails to follow a simple thread header...
Now, sometimes, in complicated and long threads, attributions do get
lost, but how someone can fail to follow this three-person thread is
beyond me.
Dan
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:48:21 -0800
author: Dan
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Re: Gun Control: Gun crime soars in the U.K
Gunner wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:08 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Gunner wrote in
>> news:sep0q39jiqg0k1lulkln6nbt52lrqnamcv@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:53:24 GMT, "Blinky Bill"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Please provide citations to back up your claim that crime didnt drop
>>>>> in CCW states.
>>>> Alabama - introduced CCW 1977. In 1976 violent crime rate was 388.8.
>>>> The rate has never been below 400 in the 30 years since CCW - it
>>>> peaked at 871.7 in 1992 (FBI UCR)
>>> Please provide links
>>> Gunner
>> Here is the UCR on Alabama from
>>
>>
>> Violent crime
>> Violent Crime rate Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter rate Forcible
>> rape rate Robbery rate Aggravated assault rate
>>
>> Violent Murder Aggravated
>> Crime Non Neg Rape Robbery Assault
>> Year Pop Rate Manslau Rate Rate Rate
>>
>> 1960 3,266,740 186.6 12.4 8.6 27.5 138.1
>> 1961 3,302,000 168.5 12.9 7.6 19.1 128.9
>> 1962 3,358,000 157.3 9.4 6.5 22.5 119.0
>> 1963 3,347,000 182.7 10.2 5.7 24.7 142.1
>> 1964 3,407,000 213.1 9.3 11.7 29.1 163.0
>> 1965 3,462,000 199.8 11.4 10.6 28.7 149.1
>> 1966 3,517,000 230.3 10.9 9.7 32.0 177.7
>> 1967 3,540,000 238.6 11.7 10.5 33.0 183.5
>> 1968 3,566,000 232.4 11.8 11.1 41.0 168.5
>> 1969 3,531,000 250.4 13.7 14.0 41.0 181.7
>> 1970 3,444,165 295.7 11.7 18.5 50.3 215.2
>> 1971 3,479,000 311.4 15.1 19.0 57.6 219.7
>> 1972 3,510,000 313.2 14.1 18.8 68.6 211.7
>> 1973 3,539,000 350.1 13.2 21.2 79.4 236.3
>> 1974 3,577,000 372.9 15.0 22.7 99.6 235.6
>> 1975 3,614,000 392.9 16.0 20.4 123.0 233.5
>> 1976 3,665,000 388.8 15.1 21.7 96.0 256.0
>> 1977 3,690,000 414.4 14.2 25.2 96.8 278.3
>> 1978 3,742,000 419.1 13.3 25.5 99.1 281.2
>> 1979 3,769,000 413.3 13.2 27.5 109.5 263.1
>> 1980 3,861,466 448.5 13.2 30.0 132.1 273.2
>> 1981 3,916,000 470.5 11.9 26.1 126.5 306.1
>> 1982 3,943,000 447.7 10.6 26.0 112.0 299.1
>> 1983 3,959,000 416.0 9.2 23.5 98.4 284.9
>> 1984 3,990,000 431.2 9.4 25.1 96.1 300.6
>> 1985 4,021,000 457.5 9.8 26.8 105.4 315.5
>> 1986 4,053,000 558.0 10.1 28.4 111.6 407.9
>> 1987 4,083,000 559.2 9.3 27.8 112.2 409.9
>> 1988 4,127,000 558.6 9.9 29.8 117.8 401.2
>> 1989 4,118,000 590.8 10.2 31.0 133.9 415.7
>> 1990 4,040,587 708.6 11.6 32.6 143.7 520.7
>> 1991 4,089,000 844.2 11.5 35.6 152.8 644.4
>> 1992 4,136,000 871.7 11.0 41.2 164.9 654.6
>> 1993 4,187,000 780.4 11.6 35.1 159.5 574.3
>> 1994 4,219,000 683.7 11.9 35.2 171.2 465.3
>> 1995 4,253,000 632.4 11.2 31.7 185.8 403.7
>> 1996 4,273,000 565.4 10.0 33.0 167.0 356.0
>> 1997 4,319,000 564.5 9.9 32.3 160.5 361.8
>> 1998 4,352,000 512.1 8.1 33.2 130.9 339.9
>> 1999 4,370,000 490.2 7.9 34.6 121.2 326.5
>> 2000 4,447,100 486.2 7.4 33.3 128.2 317.2
>> 2001 4,464,356 438.6 8.5 30.7 125.1 274.4
>> 2002 4,478,896 445.0 6.8 37.2 133.1 268.0
>> 2003 4,503,726 429.2 6.6 36.8 134.1 251.7
>> 2004 4,525,375 427.0 5.6 38.5 133.5 249.4
>> 2005 4,557,808 431.7 8.2 34.3 141.4 247.8
>> 2006 4,599,030 425.2 8.3 35.9 153.5 227.6
>
>
> Its interesting to watch the crime rate rise with the population.
>
> Binky of course assumes that the population stayed static.
>
> Now as to the Rate of rise after CCW, it appears to be lower after,
> then before.
>
> Gunner
Actually, the important point is that crime went down as soon as Bill
Clinton was inaugurated.
The fact that Bush did not cause (yet) an increase is a miracle.
Dan
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:50:01 -0800
author: Dan
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Re: Gun Control: Gun crime soars in the U.K
"Gunner" wrote in message
news:nm85q354rl64l8dcfmpn69fh83olrs2uv0@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:08 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Gunner wrote in
>>news:sep0q39jiqg0k1lulkln6nbt52lrqnamcv@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:53:24 GMT, "Blinky Bill"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide citations to back up your claim that crime didnt drop
>>>>> in CCW states.
>>>>
>>>>Alabama - introduced CCW 1977. In 1976 violent crime rate was 388.8.
>>>>The rate has never been below 400 in the 30 years since CCW - it
>>>>peaked at 871.7 in 1992 (FBI UCR)
>>>
>>> Please provide links
>>> Gunner
>>
>>Here is the UCR on Alabama from
>>
>>
>>Violent crime
>>Violent Crime rate Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter rate Forcible
>>rape rate Robbery rate Aggravated assault rate
>>
>> Violent Murder Aggravated
>> Crime Non Neg Rape Robbery Assault
>>Year Pop Rate Manslau Rate Rate Rate
>>
>>1960 3,266,740 186.6 12.4 8.6 27.5 138.1
>>1961 3,302,000 168.5 12.9 7.6 19.1 128.9
>>1962 3,358,000 157.3 9.4 6.5 22.5 119.0
>>1963 3,347,000 182.7 10.2 5.7 24.7 142.1
>>1964 3,407,000 213.1 9.3 11.7 29.1 163.0
>>1965 3,462,000 199.8 11.4 10.6 28.7 149.1
>>1966 3,517,000 230.3 10.9 9.7 32.0 177.7
>>1967 3,540,000 238.6 11.7 10.5 33.0 183.5
>>1968 3,566,000 232.4 11.8 11.1 41.0 168.5
>>1969 3,531,000 250.4 13.7 14.0 41.0 181.7
>>1970 3,444,165 295.7 11.7 18.5 50.3 215.2
>>1971 3,479,000 311.4 15.1 19.0 57.6 219.7
>>1972 3,510,000 313.2 14.1 18.8 68.6 211.7
>>1973 3,539,000 350.1 13.2 21.2 79.4 236.3
>>1974 3,577,000 372.9 15.0 22.7 99.6 235.6
>>1975 3,614,000 392.9 16.0 20.4 123.0 233.5
>>1976 3,665,000 388.8 15.1 21.7 96.0 256.0
>>1977 3,690,000 414.4 14.2 25.2 96.8 278.3
>>1978 3,742,000 419.1 13.3 25.5 99.1 281.2
>>1979 3,769,000 413.3 13.2 27.5 109.5 263.1
>>1980 3,861,466 448.5 13.2 30.0 132.1 273.2
>>1981 3,916,000 470.5 11.9 26.1 126.5 306.1
>>1982 3,943,000 447.7 10.6 26.0 112.0 299.1
>>1983 3,959,000 416.0 9.2 23.5 98.4 284.9
>>1984 3,990,000 431.2 9.4 25.1 96.1 300.6
>>1985 4,021,000 457.5 9.8 26.8 105.4 315.5
>>1986 4,053,000 558.0 10.1 28.4 111.6 407.9
>>1987 4,083,000 559.2 9.3 27.8 112.2 409.9
>>1988 4,127,000 558.6 9.9 29.8 117.8 401.2
>>1989 4,118,000 590.8 10.2 31.0 133.9 415.7
>>1990 4,040,587 708.6 11.6 32.6 143.7 520.7
>>1991 4,089,000 844.2 11.5 35.6 152.8 644.4
>>1992 4,136,000 871.7 11.0 41.2 164.9 654.6
>>1993 4,187,000 780.4 11.6 35.1 159.5 574.3
>>1994 4,219,000 683.7 11.9 35.2 171.2 465.3
>>1995 4,253,000 632.4 11.2 31.7 185.8 403.7
>>1996 4,273,000 565.4 10.0 33.0 167.0 356.0
>>1997 4,319,000 564.5 9.9 32.3 160.5 361.8
>>1998 4,352,000 512.1 8.1 33.2 130.9 339.9
>>1999 4,370,000 490.2 7.9 34.6 121.2 326.5
>>2000 4,447,100 486.2 7.4 33.3 128.2 317.2
>>2001 4,464,356 438.6 8.5 30.7 125.1 274.4
>>2002 4,478,896 445.0 6.8 37.2 133.1 268.0
>>2003 4,503,726 429.2 6.6 36.8 134.1 251.7
>>2004 4,525,375 427.0 5.6 38.5 133.5 249.4
>>2005 4,557,808 431.7 8.2 34.3 141.4 247.8
>>2006 4,599,030 425.2 8.3 35.9 153.5 227.6
>
>
> Its interesting to watch the crime rate rise with the population.
It is even more interesting to watch it rise after the inbtroduction of CCW.
>
> Binky of course assumes that the population stayed static.
Can someone explain to this idiot that the crime rate is the number of
crimes per 100,000 of population, so if the incidence of crime increases at
the same rate as the population, then the crime rate remains constant. If
the crime rate rises, then the number of crimes is rising relatively faster
than the population.
>
> Now as to the Rate of rise after CCW, it appears to be lower after,
> then before.
Only if you can't read the table. The last year (1976) before CCW showed the
violent crime rate to be 388.8. Which years after that were lower than
388.8?
date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:04:32 GMT
author: Blinky Bill
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Re: Gun Control: Gun crime soars in the U.K
"Dan" wrote in message
news:V0Ioj.519$az7.459@newsfe07.lga...
> Gunner wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:54:08 -0600, "RD (The Sandman)"
>> <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Gunner wrote in
>>> news:sep0q39jiqg0k1lulkln6nbt52lrqnamcv@4ax.com:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:53:24 GMT, "Blinky Bill"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Please provide citations to back up your claim that crime didnt drop
>>>>>> in CCW states.
>>>>> Alabama - introduced CCW 1977. In 1976 violent crime rate was 388.8.
>>>>> The rate has never been below 400 in the 30 years since CCW - it
>>>>> peaked at 871.7 in 1992 (FBI UCR)
>>>> Please provide links
>>>> Gunner
>>> Here is the UCR on Alabama from
>>>
>>> Violent crime
>>> Violent Crime rate Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter rate Forcible
>>> rape rate Robbery rate Aggravated assault rate
>>>
>>> Violent Murder Aggravated
>>> Crime Non Neg Rape Robbery Assault
>>> Year Pop Rate Manslau Rate Rate Rate
>>>
>>> 1960 3,266,740 186.6 12.4 8.6 27.5 138.1
>>> 1961 3,302,000 168.5 12.9 7.6 19.1 128.9
>>> 1962 3,358,000 157.3 9.4 6.5 22.5 119.0
>>> 1963 3,347,000 182.7 10.2 5.7 24.7 142.1
>>> 1964 3,407,000 213.1 9.3 11.7 29.1 163.0
>>> 1965 3,462,000 199.8 11.4 10.6 28.7 149.1
>>> 1966 3,517,000 230.3 10.9 9.7 32.0 177.7
>>> 1967 3,540,000 238.6 11.7 10.5 33.0 183.5
>>> 1968 3,566,000 232.4 11.8 11.1 41.0 168.5
>>> 1969 3,531,000 250.4 13.7 14.0 41.0 181.7
>>> 1970 3,444,165 295.7 11.7 18.5 50.3 215.2
>>> 1971 3,479,000 311.4 15.1 19.0 57.6 219.7
>>> 1972 3,510,000 313.2 14.1 18.8 68.6 211.7
>>> 1973 3,539,000 350.1 13.2 21.2 79.4 236.3
>>> 1974 3,577,000 372.9 15.0 22.7 99.6 235.6
>>> 1975 3,614,000 392.9 16.0 20.4 123.0 233.5
>>> 1976 3,665,000 388.8 15.1 21.7 96.0 256.0
>>> 1977 3,690,000 414.4 14.2 25.2 96.8 278.3
>>> 1978 3,742,000 419.1 13.3 25.5 99.1 281.2
>>> 1979 3,769,000 413.3 13.2 27.5 109.5 263.1
>>> 1980 3,861,466 448.5 13.2 30.0 132.1 273.2
>>> 1981 3,916,000 470.5 11.9 26.1 126.5 306.1
>>> 1982 3,943,000 447.7 10.6 26.0 112.0 299.1
>>> 1983 3,959,000 416.0 9.2 23.5 98.4 284.9
>>> 1984 3,990,000 431.2 9.4 25.1 96.1 300.6
>>> 1985 4,021,000 457.5 9.8 26.8 105.4 315.5
>>> 1986 4,053,000 558.0 10.1 28.4 111.6 407.9
>>> 1987 4,083,000 559.2 9.3 27.8 112.2 409.9
>>> 1988 4,127,000 558.6 9.9 29.8 117.8 401.2
>>> 1989 4,118,000 590.8 10.2 31.0 133.9 415.7
>>> 1990 4,040,587 708.6 11.6 32.6 143.7 520.7
>>> 1991 4,089,000 844.2 11.5 35.6 152.8 644.4
>>> 1992 4,136,000 871.7 11.0 41.2 164.9 654.6
>>> 1993 4,187,000 780.4 11.6 35.1 159.5 574.3
>>> 1994 4,219,000 683.7 11.9 35.2 171.2 465.3
>>> 1995 4,253,000 632.4 11.2 31.7 185.8 403.7
>>> 1996 4,273,000 565.4 10.0 33.0 167.0 356.0
>>> 1997 4,319,000 564.5 9.9 32.3 160.5 361.8
>>> 1998 4,352,000 512.1 8.1 33.2 130.9 339.9
>>> 1999 4,370,000 490.2 7.9 34.6 121.2 326.5
>>> 2000 4,447,100 486.2 7.4 33.3 128.2 317.2
>>> 2001 4,464,356 438.6 8.5 30.7 125.1 274.4
>>> 2002 4,478,896 445.0 6.8 37.2 133.1 268.0
>>> 2003 4,503,726 429.2 6.6 36.8 134.1 251.7
>>> 2004 4,525,375 427.0 5.6 38.5 133.5 249.4
>>> 2005 4,557,808 431.7 8.2 34.3 141.4 247.8
>>> 2006 4,599,030 425.2 8.3 35.9 153.5 227.6
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>>
>> Its interesting to watch the crime rate rise with the population.
>>
>> Binky of course assumes that the population stayed static.
>>
>> Now as to the Rate of rise after CCW, it appears to be lower after,
>> then before.
>>
>> Gunner
>
> Note how Runner even fails to follow a simple thread header...
>
> Now, sometimes, in complicated and long threads, attributions do get lost,
> but how someone can fail to follow this three-person thread is beyond me.
No-one would mistake him for a rocket scientist.
date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:05:53 GMT
author: Blinky Bill
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Re: Gun Control: Gun crime soars in the U.K
"Dan" wrote in message
news:s2Ioj.520$az7.380@newsfe07.lga...
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> Actually, the important point is that crime went down as soon as Bill
> Clinton was inaugurated.
>
LOL
So you are stupid enough to believe that the Bill Clinton innauguration
had a CAUSAL effect on the crime rate ?
What other nonsense do you believe ?
The moon is made of blue cheeze ?
> The fact that Bush did not cause (yet) an increase is a miracle.
>
Riiiight
So according to you, Bush should be a CAUSAL INCREASE in the crime rate
You are suffering from either a bad case of stupidity or BDS (Bush
Derangement Syndrome).
Oh wait.
The two go together.
date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:27:10 -0600
author: SaPeIsMa
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