On 21 Aug, 22:49, Whata Fool  wrote:
>       No, where you really differ is in advertising socialism, most
> people favor viable alternate energy and energy efficient devices,

People might not favour renewable forms of energy if they have to pay
more for it. And politicians sceptical of global warming (or perhaps
because they are funded by fossil fuel companies) might not prioritise
investment into such forms of energy, preferring to continue the
divide-and-rule agenda, trying to get working and middle class people
to blame each other for environmental problems...

> but only a percent or so of the US population even considers socialism
> as acceptable.

I've heard that most people in the USA associate the word "socialism"
with the Stalinist states that collapsed in the USSR and Eastern
Europe. Very few leftists advocate that form of society any more. If
you ask people do they want freedom or socialism, most people would
say "freedom". I would say both.

>       What would happen in a socialist state if you were to try
> advertising freedom with such fervor?

It really depends on what form of "socialist" state you live under.
Trotskyists argue for hierarchies of committees based on workplaces,
with only the working class in control of society, and a "workers'
militia" to try to ensure the continuation of that form of society.
Perhaps participating in discussions of socialism that could undermine
David Walters' Trotskyist agenda is behind his objection to
crossposting to alt.politics.socialism.trotsky...

But do you really have "freedom" when the choice is between two very
similar capitalist political parties, an extremely undemocratic
electoral system, electoral fraud that kept Gore and Kerry out of
power (see my group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/us-electoral-fraud)
and big business control of the media?

With the horrendous economic problems of the worldwide capitalist
economic system (massive food and fuel price increases, collapsing
house prices, companies going bust as a result of the credit crunch),
more people can be won to socialist economic policies.

I advocate more moderate socialist policies than Trotskyism, which are
winning mass support in Latin America. Arguing that socialism means
you can't return to capitalist "freedom" (i.e. the freedom to exploit
workers) and the alleged unpopularity of socialism is contradicted by
the recent referendum in Bolivia, won with over 67% of the vote by Evo
Morales, who has nationalised energy, mining and telecommunications
companies.

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