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date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:01:09 GMT,    group: uk.politics.environment        back       
CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
Over the last 5 years a significant body of scientific research has
concluded that atmospheric carbon dioxide is not the climate criminal
it is made out to be by self-proclaimed 'environmentalist' groups and
opportunist politicians.
 
Below is a summary of this research evidence, with links to a review
of each, demonstrating clearly that hysterical demands for carbon
dioxide emissions reductions together with the fuel duty hikes and
climate change levy introduced supposedly to further these demands are
an environmentally pointless 'King Canute' exercise designed purely to
restrict individual mobility, and exercise corporate energy control,
through extortionate levels of taxation.

Petit et al. (1999) reconstructed surface air temperature and
atmospheric CO2 concentration profiles from Vostok ice core samples
covering 420,000 years, concluding that during glaciation "the CO2
decrease lags the temperature decrease by several thousand years" and
"the same sequence of climate forcing operated during each
termination." Using sections of ice core records from the last three
inter-glacial transitions, Fischer et al. (1999) decided that "the
time lag of the rise in CO2 concentrations with respect to temperature
change is on the order of 400 to 1000 years during all three
glacial-interglacial transitions." In other words, an increase in
carbon dioxide levels, the much hyped 'cause' of global warming,
actually happens long after the warming has started, demonstrating
clearly that it cannot possibly be the cause.

On the basis of atmospheric carbon dioxide data obtained from
Antarctic Taylor Dome ice core samples, and temperature data obtained
from the Vostok ice core, Indermuhle et al. (2000) looked at the
relationship between these two variables over the period 60,000-20,000
years BP (Before Present). A statistical test on the data showed that
movement in the air's CO2 content lagged behind shifts in air
temperature by approximately 900 years, while a second statistical
test yielded a mean lag-time of 1200 years. Similarly, in a study of
air temperature and CO2 data obtained from high time resolution
samples at the Antarctic Concordia Dome site, for the period
22,000-9,000 BP (which covers the last glacial-to-interglacial
transition) Monnin et al. (2001) found that the start of the CO2
increase lagged the start of the temperature increase by 800 years. In
yet another study of the 420,000-year Vostok ice-cores, Mudelsee
(2001) concluded that variations in atmospheric CO2 concentration
lagged behind variations in air temperature by 1,300 to 5,000 years.
Proving once again that the greens have put effect before cause.

In a study using different methodology, Yokoyama et al. (2000)
analyzed sediments in the tectonically stable Bonaparte Gulf of
Australia to determine the timing of the initial melting phase of the
last great ice age. Commenting on the results of that study, Clark and
Mix (2000) note that the rapid rise in sea level caused by the melting
of land-based ice that began approximately 19,000 years ago preceded
the post-glacial rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration by about 3,000
years. Once more the order of events confounds the greens: a shift in
carbon dioxide levels cannot 'cause' a temperature rise that happened
3,000 years earlier.

The most recent study available covering this theme is that of Caillon
et al. (2003)†, who focused on an isotope of argon (40Ar) that can be
taken as a climate proxy, thus providing constraints about the
relative timing of CO2 shifts and climate change. Air bubbles in the
Vostok ice core over the period that comprises what is called Glacial
Termination III - which occurred 240,000 years BP - were studied. The
result of their painstaking analysis was that "the CO2 increase lagged
behind Antarctic deglacial warming by 800 ± 200 years." This finding,
in the words of Caillon et al., confirms that CO2 is not the forcing
that drives the climatic system. Anthropogenic climate change
(man-made global warming theory), based on the claimed impact of CO2
emissions from transport and industry, is stone cold dead.

† Reference: Caillon, N., Severinghaus, J.P., Jouzel, J., Barnola,
J.-M., Kang, J. and Lipenkov, V.Y. 2003. Timing of atmospheric CO2 and
Antarctic temperature changes across Termination III. Science 299:
1728-1731 (2003).
 
Acknowledgements: CSCDGC; EMA
date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:01:09 GMT   author:   Steve in Herts

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
"Steve in Herts"  wrote in message 
news:ijmtb3l5mgats9badli08mtaj47cekpjak@4ax.com...
> Over the last 5 years a significant body of scientific research has
> concluded that atmospheric carbon dioxide is not the climate criminal
> it is made out to be by self-proclaimed 'environmentalist' groups and
> opportunist politicians......

    http://www.abd.org.uk/co2_cause_or_effect.htm
date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:51:59 GMT   author:   Raisa Pottlard .

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:36:55 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

> Over the last 5 years a significant body of scientific research has
>>> concluded that atmospheric carbon dioxide is not the climate criminal
>>> it is made out to be by self-proclaimed 'environmentalist' groups and
>>> opportunist politicians......
>>
>>    http://www.abd.org.uk/co2_cause_or_effect.htm
>
>the dating from the ice cores is rather uncertain.....
>the trapped gasses may be up to a thousand years or more
>     after the snow was laid down...
>it is only by the time the weight of the snow/ice is sufficient to
>     seal the ice that the air trapped can be considered to be
>     trapped at that time....
>such dating is not fully robustly established...and it could vary
>    wildly from site to site and time to time dependent of the rate
>    of precipitation lay down
>
>part of what is *speculated* to start a warming period is an advance
>     of vegetation...this can produce surplus methane as well as
>     carbon (methane has a considerably higher forcing in the shorter
>     term)
>
>the question is in fact ludicrous at some level...there is probably
>     positive feedback....
>
>ie carbon drives up temperature *and temperature drives up carbon
>
>therefore the writer is penning through his arse

You can tell whenever Abbie doesn't know how to counter a claim - she
resorts to ad homs.

>the last para is utter nonsense

AGW is utter nonsense.

>the proportion of man made carbon
>     in the air can be assessed by comparing carbon isotopes

So what?

CO2 is a very small proportion of all greenhouse gases. Man-made CO2
is an even smaller proportion, less than 1%.




-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:19:59 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
Kosst Amojan wrote:


> 
> CO2 is a very small proportion of all greenhouse gases. Man-made CO2
> is an even smaller proportion, less than 1%.


Yeah but they hold all the other perecents still
and add up all the man made CO2 year on year.


Air is now about 150% CO2

--
Blue
date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:28:31 +0100   author:   Blue

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:28:31 +0100, Blue  wrote:

>> CO2 is a very small proportion of all greenhouse gases. Man-made CO2
>> is an even smaller proportion, less than 1%.

>Yeah but they hold all the other perecents still
>and add up all the man made CO2 year on year.

>Air is now about 150% CO2

Plants love it!

Now we won't have to listen to the eco-freaks whining about the rain
forests dying off.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:46:36 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:46:36 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Kosst Amojan) wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:28:31 +0100, Blue  wrote:
>
>>> CO2 is a very small proportion of all greenhouse gases. Man-made CO2
>>> is an even smaller proportion, less than 1%.
>
>>Yeah but they hold all the other perecents still
>>and add up all the man made CO2 year on year.
>
>>Air is now about 150% CO2
>
>Plants love it!
>
>Now we won't have to listen to the eco-freaks whining about the rain
>forests dying off.

as usual you know nothing troll
http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2007/aug/science/ee_ozone.html?sa_campaign=rss/cen_mag/estnews/2007-08-08/ee_ozone

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date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:52:38 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On 12 Aug, 13:20, abelard  wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:46:38 GMT, "Raisa Pottlard ."

> to make claims in the 1000 year range from 240k bp looks very
>     suspiciously like delusions of accuracy to me
> argon is also a larger molecule than carbon and so may get
>      sealed in earlier than carbon in ice bubbles
> besides and in view of all that i'm not swallowing this without a
>      bagfull of salt

Argon is not "a larger molecule than carbon" The smallest unit of
Argon is in fact an atom as is carbon . *Carbon dioxide* is a compound
molecule consisting of three atoms 2 of oxygen and one of carbon held
together by two covalent bonds. It also has a mean free path that is
shorter than that of Argon and so is less diffusive.

The question rests on then the notion that freshly fallen snow is a
loosely packed mixture a crystalline ice and air contained in cavities
that, just like the cavities in a sponge, are interconnected. This
allows  for an interchange of air.
As snow falls on snow the downward pressure on lower layers increases.
This sqeezes trapped air upwards until the pressure is such that the
interconnections between the cavities become closed and that gas
remaining becomes trapped for ever.

Thus working it back it would appear that the bubbles present in a
particular portion of an ice core would have originated further down
in the core and so this would explain any apparent time lag.

The trouble with this is that the notion is hypothetical and as such
any estimate of the actual time lag whether is in terms of
years,decades, centuries or millenia must surely be speculative.
Surely much would depend upon such factors as the crytalline structure
of the snow/ice (how many words does the eskimo have for snow?),
Differentials in annual snow fall and the nature of the snow whether
windblown or precipitated.

You are therefore right to be suspicious of estimates of the order of
1000 years in 240 000 (~0.4%). However, this uncertainty must operate
in both directions. It's therefore just as logical to claim a lag as a
coincidence. If we are to claim that warm interglacial periods were
the consequence of increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere then the
question as to where all this CO2 came from is also pertinent.
date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:29:46 -0700   author:   Mel Rowing

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:29:46 -0700, Mel Rowing
 wrote:

>On 12 Aug, 13:20, abelard  wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:46:38 GMT, "Raisa Pottlard ."
>
>> to make claims in the 1000 year range from 240k bp looks very
>>     suspiciously like delusions of accuracy to me
>> argon is also a larger molecule than carbon and so may get
>>      sealed in earlier than carbon in ice bubbles
>> besides and in view of all that i'm not swallowing this without a
>>      bagfull of salt
>
>Argon is not "a larger molecule than carbon"

thanx...i wondered about that bit and hoped someone would comment

> The smallest unit of
>Argon is in fact an atom as is carbon . *Carbon dioxide* is a compound
>molecule consisting of three atoms 2 of oxygen and one of carbon held
>together by two covalent bonds. It also has a mean free path that is
>shorter than that of Argon and so is less diffusive.
>
>The question rests on then the notion that freshly fallen snow is a
>loosely packed mixture a crystalline ice and air contained in cavities
>that, just like the cavities in a sponge, are interconnected. This
>allows  for an interchange of air.
>As snow falls on snow the downward pressure on lower layers increases.
>This sqeezes trapped air upwards until the pressure is such that the
>interconnections between the cavities become closed and that gas
>remaining becomes trapped for ever.
>
>Thus working it back it would appear that the bubbles present in a
>particular portion of an ice core would have originated further down
>in the core and so this would explain any apparent time lag.
>
>The trouble with this is that the notion is hypothetical and as such
>any estimate of the actual time lag whether is in terms of
>years,decades, centuries or millenia must surely be speculative.
>Surely much would depend upon such factors as the crytalline structure
>of the snow/ice (how many words does the eskimo have for snow?),
>Differentials in annual snow fall and the nature of the snow whether
>windblown or precipitated.
>
>You are therefore right to be suspicious of estimates of the order of
>1000 years in 240 000 (~0.4%). However, this uncertainty must operate
>in both directions. It's therefore just as logical to claim a lag as a
>coincidence. If we are to claim that warm interglacial periods were
>the consequence of increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere then the
>question as to where all this CO2 came from is also pertinent.

all sounds reasonable as usual....therefore all accepted...

the ice is normally roughly referred to in three states....
    snow, firn and ice

my definition
firn
    (from German) dense, old snow with its crystals partly joined
together, but where the air pockets still communicate with each other.


why from further down rather than higher up?
would it be different on the way into an ice advance from an ice
     retreat?
any idea what factors would be involved?

regards...and thanx

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date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:02:45 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
Steve in Herts wrote:

> Over the last 5 years a significant body of scientific research has
> concluded that atmospheric carbon dioxide is not the climate criminal
> it is made out to be by self-proclaimed 'environmentalist' groups and
> opportunist politicians.

Yes the claim of man made global warming is a gravy train skewed by research
grants that are only available to those who agree in advance with AGW.

As the demands of the greens have grown ever more hysterical, sane scientists
are increasingly coming out of the woodwork to debunk the utter nonsense that
the IPCC has been feeding us. And believe me, there's so, so much bad science
that's been used to make the claim for AGW.

Graham
date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:58:40 +0100   author:   Eeyore

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:58:40 +0100, Eeyore
 wrote:

>Steve in Herts wrote:
>
>> Over the last 5 years a significant body of scientific research has
>> concluded that atmospheric carbon dioxide is not the climate criminal
>> it is made out to be by self-proclaimed 'environmentalist' groups and
>> opportunist politicians.
>
>Yes the claim of man made global warming is a gravy train skewed by research
>grants that are only available to those who agree in advance with AGW.
>
>As the demands of the greens have grown ever more hysterical, sane scientists
>are increasingly coming out of the woodwork to debunk the utter nonsense that
>the IPCC has been feeding us. And believe me, there's so, so much bad science
>that's been used to make the claim for AGW.

welcome is extended to another loon....
or is it just another sock puppet

'believe me' indeed.....you're as bad as the troll

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  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
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date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:01:41 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:Xns998AC9FF2D1A4adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.245.131...
> Blue (blue@there.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying :
>
>> One minute you don't want a hole in the Ozone
>> and we're chucking cfc gases, fridges etc.
>>
>> Next minute you're saying you made a cock up and
>> you don't want Ozone gases.
>>
>> chicken headless...
>
> Go and have a search through uk.transport for Duhg's thoughts on "good" and
> "bad" ozone...

ROFL Duhg and thoughts in the same post!
date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:03:05 +0100   author:   Depresion 127.0.0.1

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
abelard wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> >Steve in Herts wrote:
> >
> >> Over the last 5 years a significant body of scientific research has
> >> concluded that atmospheric carbon dioxide is not the climate criminal
> >> it is made out to be by self-proclaimed 'environmentalist' groups and
> >> opportunist politicians.
> >
> >Yes the claim of man made global warming is a gravy train skewed by research
> >grants that are only available to those who agree in advance with AGW.
> >
> >As the demands of the greens have grown ever more hysterical, sane scientists
> >are increasingly coming out of the woodwork to debunk the utter nonsense that
> >the IPCC has been feeding us. And believe me, there's so, so much bad science
> >that's been used to make the claim for AGW.
>
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> or is it just another sock puppet

I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.

It's quite shocking.

Graham
date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:27:58 +0100   author:   Eeyore

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

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  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

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  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

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  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

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  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


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date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
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 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
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 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
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 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
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 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
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 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , abelard3
@abelard.org says...
> welcome is extended to another loon....
> 
Count me in the Loon contingent then.
Climate change exists.
If it didn't the ice age would be as mythical and ficticious as the 
bible.

But man isn't making a duck fart in the ocean's worth of diffence to the 
rate of change.

I have heard that the enviromonkeys are working a new plan though. 
Project Canute. Holding back the tide of the change.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , 
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com says...
> I suggest you look into the details yourself. I doubt you will though.
> 
> It's quite shocking.
> 
He is an apologist. He will find a way to accept it.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:13:34 +0100   author:   Elder

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:12:23 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article , abelard3
>@abelard.org says...
>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>> 
>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

done

-- 
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics 
 energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  all that is necessary for       []     walk quietly and carry
  the triumph of evil is that      []           a big stick.
  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200   author:   abelard

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
wrote:

>>In article , abelard3
>>@abelard.org says...
>>> welcome is extended to another loon....
 
>>Count me in the Loon contingent then.

>done

To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.


-- 

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
--Benjamin Franklin
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:26:35 GMT   author:   (Kosst Amojan)

Re: CO2 - Cause or Effect?   
In article , spam@uce.gov 
says...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:15 +0200, abelard 
> wrote:
> 
> >>In article , abelard3
> >>@abelard.org says...
> >>> welcome is extended to another loon....
>  
> >>Count me in the Loon contingent then.
> 
> >done
> 
> To have Abbie call you a loon puts you in good company.
> 
> 
> 
Exactley.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Elder

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