Anyone here who feels as many in the country do, that Gordon Brown's
gross financial incompetence means that he should resign, are asked
(indeed, recommended) to sign the following petition:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/

(Don't blame me for the spelling!)

...before the closing date of 15 January 2009, just five days from now.

-- 
John M Ward - see http://www.horsted.john-ward.org.uk
--> In favour of returning all local decisions to local people!

"John M Ward"  wrote in message 
news:501b822054john@acornusers.org...
> Anyone here who feels as many in the country do, that Gordon Brown's
> gross financial incompetence means that he should resign, are asked
> (indeed, recommended) to sign the following petition:
>
> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/
>
> (Don't blame me for the spelling!)
>
> ...before the closing date of 15 January 2009, just five days from now.
>
> -- 
> John M Ward - see http://www.horsted.john-ward.org.uk
> --> In favour of returning all local decisions to local people!

Well I would recommend exactly the opposite as everybody I know thinks that 
under the circumstances the government is doing a great job.  In fact most 
of the countries in the free world  are taking very similar action.
Regards.
Dave.

Dave D wrote:

> "John M Ward"  wrote:

>> Anyone here who feels as many in the country do, that Gordon Brown's
>> gross financial incompetence means that he should resign, are asked
>> (indeed, recommended) to sign the following petition:
>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/
>> (Don't blame me for the spelling!)
>> ...before the closing date of 15 January 2009, just five days from now.

> Well I would recommend exactly the opposite as everybody I know thinks that 
> under the circumstances the government is doing a great job.  In fact most 
> of the countries in the free world  are taking very similar action.

What, bankrupting large sections of their industry and populations over a 
period of years in which their main policy is: "Borrow, borrow, borrow, 
borrow and never worry about paying it back"?

One assumes you type your messages instead of writing them because you're not 
allowed anything sharp in there?

In article <vI9al.195957$XB5.123577@newsfe29.ams2>,
   Dave D  wrote:

> "John M Ward"  wrote in message 
> news:501b822054john@acornusers.org...
> > Anyone here who feels as many in the country do, that Gordon Brown's
> > gross financial incompetence means that he should resign, are asked
> > (indeed, recommended) to sign the following petition:
> >
> > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/
> >
> > (Don't blame me for the spelling!)
> >
> > ...before the closing date of 15 January 2009, just five days from
> > now.
> 
> Well I would recommend exactly the opposite as everybody I know
> thinks that under the circumstances the government is doing a great
> job.  In fact most of the countries in the free world  are taking
> very similar action.  

Funny.  Virtually everyone who knows anything about the subject is with
me.  Fortunately, I too know about the subject, having worked in central
government finance (within the DTI, for example) and clearly having
several quintillion times the knowledge of it than anyone who could ever
claim that Gordon Brown and his motley crew are "doing a great job".


-- 
John M Ward - see http://www.horsted.john-ward.org.uk
--> In favour of returning all local decisions to local people!

In article <vI9al.195957$XB5.123577@newsfe29.ams2>,
   Dave D  wrote:

> "John M Ward"  wrote in message 
> news:501b822054john@acornusers.org...
> > Anyone here who feels as many in the country do, that Gordon Brown's
> > gross financial incompetence means that he should resign, are asked
> > (indeed, recommended) to sign the following petition:
> >
> > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/
> >
> > (Don't blame me for the spelling!)
> >
> > ...before the closing date of 15 January 2009, just five days from
> > now.
> 
> Well I would recommend exactly the opposite as everybody I know
> thinks that under the circumstances the government is doing a great
> job.  In fact most of the countries in the free world  are taking
> very similar action.

Well, hello Dolly (Draper)...

-- 
John M Ward - see http://www.horsted.john-ward.org.uk
--> In favour of returning all local decisions to local people!

JNugent wrote:
> Dave D wrote:
> 
>> "John M Ward"  wrote:
> 
>>> Anyone here who feels as many in the country do, that Gordon Brown's
>>> gross financial incompetence means that he should resign, are asked
>>> (indeed, recommended) to sign the following petition:
>>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/
>>> (Don't blame me for the spelling!)
>>> ...before the closing date of 15 January 2009, just five days from now.
> 
>> Well I would recommend exactly the opposite as everybody I know thinks 
>> that under the circumstances the government is doing a great job.  In 
>> fact most of the countries in the free world  are taking very similar 
>> action.
> 
> What, bankrupting large sections of their industry and populations over 
> a period of years in which their main policy is: "Borrow, borrow, 
> borrow, borrow and never worry about paying it back"?
> 
> One assumes you type your messages instead of writing them because 
> you're not allowed anything sharp in there?

While not being a supporter of the Government I don't see that large 
sections of industry or the population were bankrupted prior to this 
crash. Which started due to greed and incompetence in USA banking 
institutions which spread to here.  If there is blame its the lack of 
state control and regulation, fostered by the previous Tory governments 
who took their lead from the Regan Administration in the USA and 
deregulated the banking sector.  What was the alternative to borrowing? 
  As yet the only difference I can see between Labour and the Tories on 
this is one of rhetoric.

-- 
\/ Lyn David Thomas

Lyn David Thomas wrote:
> JNugent wrote:
>> Dave D wrote:
>>
>>> "John M Ward"  wrote:
>>
>>>> Anyone here who feels as many in the country do, that Gordon Brown's
>>>> gross financial incompetence means that he should resign, are asked
>>>> (indeed, recommended) to sign the following petition:
>>>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/
>>>> (Don't blame me for the spelling!)
>>>> ...before the closing date of 15 January 2009, just five days from now.
>>
>>> Well I would recommend exactly the opposite as everybody I know 
>>> thinks that under the circumstances the government is doing a great 
>>> job.  In fact most of the countries in the free world  are taking 
>>> very similar action.
>>
>> What, bankrupting large sections of their industry and populations 
>> over a period of years in which their main policy is: "Borrow, borrow, 
>> borrow, borrow and never worry about paying it back"?
>>
>> One assumes you type your messages instead of writing them because 
>> you're not allowed anything sharp in there?
> 
> While not being a supporter of the Government I don't see that large 
> sections of industry or the population were bankrupted prior to this 
> crash. Which started due to greed and incompetence in USA banking 
> institutions which spread to here.  If there is blame its the lack of 
> state control and regulation, fostered by the previous Tory governments 
> who took their lead from the Regan Administration in the USA and 
> deregulated the banking sector.  What was the alternative to borrowing? 
>  As yet the only difference I can see between Labour and the Tories on 
> this is one of rhetoric.

TRANSLATION:

"It's all Mrs Thatcher's fault."

(Lyn David Thomas 2009)

Yeah, right..

JNugent wrote:
> Lyn David Thomas wrote:
>> JNugent wrote:
>>> Dave D wrote:
>>>
>>>> "John M Ward"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Anyone here who feels as many in the country do, that Gordon Brown's
>>>>> gross financial incompetence means that he should resign, are asked
>>>>> (indeed, recommended) to sign the following petition:
>>>>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/
>>>>> (Don't blame me for the spelling!)
>>>>> ...before the closing date of 15 January 2009, just five days from 
>>>>> now.
>>>
>>>> Well I would recommend exactly the opposite as everybody I know 
>>>> thinks that under the circumstances the government is doing a great 
>>>> job.  In fact most of the countries in the free world  are taking 
>>>> very similar action.
>>>
>>> What, bankrupting large sections of their industry and populations 
>>> over a period of years in which their main policy is: "Borrow, 
>>> borrow, borrow, borrow and never worry about paying it back"?
>>>
>>> One assumes you type your messages instead of writing them because 
>>> you're not allowed anything sharp in there?
>>
>> While not being a supporter of the Government I don't see that large 
>> sections of industry or the population were bankrupted prior to this 
>> crash. Which started due to greed and incompetence in USA banking 
>> institutions which spread to here.  If there is blame its the lack of 
>> state control and regulation, fostered by the previous Tory 
>> governments who took their lead from the Regan Administration in the 
>> USA and deregulated the banking sector.  What was the alternative to 
>> borrowing?  As yet the only difference I can see between Labour and 
>> the Tories on this is one of rhetoric.
> 
> TRANSLATION:
> 
> "It's all Mrs Thatcher's fault."
> 
> (Lyn David Thomas 2009)
> 
> Yeah, right..


I never said that.  Labour is equally at fault for not reversing her 
deregulation and agreeing with the culture of greed that she encouraged.

I note that you don't engage with the argument.

-- 
\/ Lyn David Thomas

Lyn David Thomas wrote:
> JNugent wrote:
>> Lyn David Thomas wrote:
>>> JNugent wrote:
>>>> Dave D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "John M Ward"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone here who feels as many in the country do, that Gordon Brown's
>>>>>> gross financial incompetence means that he should resign, are asked
>>>>>> (indeed, recommended) to sign the following petition:
>>>>>> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/
>>>>>> (Don't blame me for the spelling!)
>>>>>> ...before the closing date of 15 January 2009, just five days from 
>>>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>>> Well I would recommend exactly the opposite as everybody I know 
>>>>> thinks that under the circumstances the government is doing a great 
>>>>> job.  In fact most of the countries in the free world  are taking 
>>>>> very similar action.
>>>>
>>>> What, bankrupting large sections of their industry and populations 
>>>> over a period of years in which their main policy is: "Borrow, 
>>>> borrow, borrow, borrow and never worry about paying it back"?
>>>>
>>>> One assumes you type your messages instead of writing them because 
>>>> you're not allowed anything sharp in there?
>>>
>>> While not being a supporter of the Government I don't see that large 
>>> sections of industry or the population were bankrupted prior to this 
>>> crash. Which started due to greed and incompetence in USA banking 
>>> institutions which spread to here.  If there is blame its the lack of 
>>> state control and regulation, fostered by the previous Tory 
>>> governments who took their lead from the Regan Administration in the 
>>> USA and deregulated the banking sector.  What was the alternative to 
>>> borrowing?  As yet the only difference I can see between Labour and 
>>> the Tories on this is one of rhetoric.
>>
>> TRANSLATION:
>>
>> "It's all Mrs Thatcher's fault."
>>
>> (Lyn David Thomas 2009)
>>
>> Yeah, right..

> I never said that.  Labour is equally at fault for not reversing her 
> deregulation and agreeing with the culture of greed that she encouraged.

TRANSLATION:

"I know I can't actually get away with saying it's Mrs Thatcher's fault 
because it sort of... well... isn't. But I'll say she's "equally at fault". 
Perhaps no-one will notice.

(Lyn David Thomas 2009)

Yeah, right..

> I note that you don't engage with the argument.

Did you put one?

"John M Ward"  wrote in message 
news:501bb5f272john@acornusers.org...
> In article <vI9al.195957$XB5.123577@newsfe29.ams2>,
>   Dave D  wrote:
>
>> "John M Ward"  wrote in message
>> news:501b822054john@acornusers.org...
>> > Anyone here who feels as many in the country do, that Gordon Brown's
>> > gross financial incompetence means that he should resign, are asked
>> > (indeed, recommended) to sign the following petition:
>> >
>> > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Fianance/
>> >
>> > (Don't blame me for the spelling!)
>> >
>> > ...before the closing date of 15 January 2009, just five days from
>> > now.
>>
>> Well I would recommend exactly the opposite as everybody I know
>> thinks that under the circumstances the government is doing a great
>> job.  In fact most of the countries in the free world  are taking
>> very similar action.
>
> Well, hello Dolly (Draper)...
>
> -- 
> John M Ward - see http://www.horsted.john-ward.org.uk
> --> In favour of returning all local decisions to local people!

But Mr. Ward it is obvious from your website and writings that you are you 
are a political obsessive and supporter of the Conservative Party so you 
would criticize Mr. Brown.  However I disagree.  The past ten years have 
seen desperately needed improvements to the public services where I live and 
none of my neighbours, in the Portsmouth area, are showing signs of being 
poorer.  I do occasionally meet some of the usual miseries who read the 
Daily Mail that blame everything wrong in their sad lives on the Government 
but I have not yet met an individual who thinks that Mr. Brown is 
responsible for this world wide recession.  I have no need to tell you, 
because I am convinced you must know, that unemployment in most of Europe 
the USA and Japan is far worse than in Britain.  Will you blame Mr. Brown 
for that?
I do not suppose that our Government is sure that the action they are taking 
is going to work. Who does? But they certainly seem to be trying their best. 
I am also sure that if we had a Conservative administration it would be 
taking similar steps.

Dave.

In article <Y%Cal.63220$2w.56421@newsfe28.ams2>,
   Dave D  wrote:

[mine snipped to try to aid clarity]

> But Mr. Ward it is obvious from your website and writings that you
> are you are a political obsessive and supporter of the Conservative
> Party so you would criticize Mr. Brown.  However I disagree.  The
> past ten years have seen desperately needed improvements to the
> public services where I live and none of my neighbours, in the
> Portsmouth area, are showing signs of being poorer.  I do
> occasionally meet some of the usual miseries who read the Daily Mail
> that blame everything wrong in their sad lives on the Government but
> I have not yet met an individual who thinks that Mr. Brown is
> responsible for this world wide recession.  I have no need to tell
> you, because I am convinced you must know, that unemployment in most
> of Europe the USA and Japan is far worse than in Britain.  Will you
> blame Mr. Brown for that? I do not suppose that our Government is
> sure that the action they are taking is going to work. Who does? But
> they certainly seem to be trying their best. I am also sure that if
> we had a Conservative administration it would be taking similar
> steps.

Oh, well: let's try to deduce something from this mess.  Typical Labour
supporter: can't even format (or be bothered to format) postings in a
readable fashion.  Anyway...

My "ears and ears" in the Portsmouth area (resident in Southsea but
working all around the broader area) does not agree, as is in fact
strongly behind me, as are most people in Britain today in their
judgement of Brown.  They do not believe the long-discredited official
figures on employment or anything else any more than I do, which is why
I publicise the more accurate figures on my 'blog, sourced from those
who do know something about their subject.

There are three types of pro-Labour people:

1. Communists;

2. Communist supporters;

3. Those too thick to realise they are being conned.

There are NO OTHERS, anywhere on Planet Earth.

Once upon a time, there were also those who thought they could make the
party better, from being on the inside.  That has long been impossible,
so that category no longer exists.  No-one decent, with integrity and
honesty, and mentally competent, would support Labour, and that is now
for ever: it can never change.  It has been a one-way street, with no
way back.

Oh, and as we all know, coming from the mouth of Stalin himslef (and he
would have known a bit about it) "Socialism is the everyday word for
Communism."  In order words, all so-called "socialists" are in reality
Communists.  I have that quote on a video on my 'blog as well...

-- 
John M Ward - see http://www.horsted.john-ward.org.uk
--> In favour of returning all local decisions to local people!

"John M Ward"  wrote in message 
news:501cff14d1john@acornusers.org...
> In article <Y%Cal.63220$2w.56421@newsfe28.ams2>,
>   Dave D  wrote:
>

Snipped to show what you are really geting at -

> There are three types of pro-Labour people:
>
> 1. Communists;
>
> 2. Communist supporters;
>
> 3. Those too thick to realise they are being conned.
>
> There are NO OTHERS, anywhere on Planet Earth.
>
> Once upon a time, there were also those who thought they could make the
> party better, from being on the inside.  That has long been impossible,
> so that category no longer exists.  No-one decent, with integrity and
> honesty, and mentally competent, would support Labour, and that is now
> for ever: it can never change.  It has been a one-way street, with no
> way back.
>
> Oh, and as we all know, coming from the mouth of Stalin himslef (and he
> would have known a bit about it) "Socialism is the everyday word for
> Communism."  In order words, all so-called "socialists" are in reality
> Communists.  I have that quote on a video on my 'blog as well...
>
> -- 
> John M Ward - see http://www.horsted.john-ward.org.uk
> --> In favour of returning all local decisions to local people!

Well Mr. Ward, I am not a communist or communist supporter so as I am 
'pro-Labour' I must fall into your third category and am apparently thick 
and the subject of confidence trickery. I am not too sure of the protocols 
ruling on this newsgroup but does this mean I am now free to insult you?  If 
so I assure you I do know some insults but unlike you, a pro-Conservative, I 
do not insult people who disagree with me as a matter of course.  No wonder 
the Tories are known as the 'nasty party'.
Dave.

In article ,
   John M Ward  wrote:
> In article <Y%Cal.63220$2w.56421@newsfe28.ams2>,
>    Dave D  wrote:

> [some further snipping for clarity]

> > ...The past ten years have seen desperately needed improvements to
> > the public services where I live and none of my neighbours, in the
> > Portsmouth area, are showing signs of being poorer...

Wow!  The people there are obviously so pleased with Labour that they
have one Lab/Co-Op MP and one LibDem MP.  The council has a whole
*two* Labour councillors among dozens of Conservative and LibDem
members, even after all this time -- and it is the council that has the
more direct contact with people on the ground than any MP.

Interesting... (and more on-topic here as it concerns electoral
results!)

-- 
John M Ward - see http://www.horsted.john-ward.org.uk
--> In favour of returning all local decisions to local people!

"Dave D"  wrote in message 
news:caibl.65166$626.64779@newsfe09.ams2...
>
> "John M Ward"  wrote in message 
> news:501cff14d1john@acornusers.org...
>> In article <Y%Cal.63220$2w.56421@newsfe28.ams2>,
>>   Dave D  wrote:
>>
>
> Snipped to show what you are really geting at -
>
>> There are three types of pro-Labour people:
>>
>> 1. Communists;
>>
>> 2. Communist supporters;
>>
>> 3. Those too thick to realise they are being conned.
>>
>> There are NO OTHERS, anywhere on Planet Earth.
>>
>> Once upon a time, there were also those who thought they could make the
>> party better, from being on the inside.  That has long been impossible,
>> so that category no longer exists.  No-one decent, with integrity and
>> honesty, and mentally competent, would support Labour, and that is now
>> for ever: it can never change.  It has been a one-way street, with no
>> way back.
>>
>> Oh, and as we all know, coming from the mouth of Stalin himslef (and he
>> would have known a bit about it) "Socialism is the everyday word for
>> Communism."  In order words, all so-called "socialists" are in reality
>> Communists.  I have that quote on a video on my 'blog as well...
>>
>> -- 
>> John M Ward - see http://www.horsted.john-ward.org.uk
>> --> In favour of returning all local decisions to local people!
>
> Well Mr. Ward, I am not a communist or communist supporter so as I am 
> 'pro-Labour' I must fall into your third category and am apparently thick 
> and the subject of confidence trickery. I am not too sure of the protocols 
> ruling on this newsgroup but does this mean I am now free to insult you? 
> If so I assure you I do know some insults but unlike you, a 
> pro-Conservative, I do not insult people who disagree with me as a matter 
> of course.  No wonder the Tories are known as the 'nasty party'.

Well I'm a socialist, communist, duck billed platypus if you like. It doesnt 
matter what names they call people mate, right is right.

Phil